[Highlight] Zion TRUCKS Jackson Hayes who is trying to take the charge and the refs decide not to call anything on the play
If that’s not a charge then what is lmao
Even if it’s not, it has to be something. It’s so crazy for all 3 refs to watch this and decide to call nothing. Did they all sneeze at the same time and miss it?
Maybe they saw it as offsetting, ha. That last little step Jax makes to his left into contact without planted feet could be considered a little defensive foul, but then he got run over by a locomotive and they didn’t want to add insult to injury.
With the result of the play (them colliding hard and Hayes falling) there’s literally no room for “offsetting”.
That contact is inherently illegal, it’s just a question of which side you believe was at fault. But there’s literally only two options here:
Hayes wasn’t set, and therefore it should’ve been an and-1.
Hayes WAS set, and therefore it should’ve been a charge.
There’s no grey area here. Either he was set or wasn’t, block or a charge.
They probably could’ve called it either way and not gotten a ton of pushback, but a no call is just objectively the MOST wrong answer here lmao.
Here is your regular reminder that being set is not part of the rules. It’s such a massive part of the discussion that it’s almost considered a rule but
https://official.nba.com/the-nba-rule-authority/
The only point in that link where feet are mentioned is that they both must be outside the restricted area. The defender must be in legal guarding position, he does not have to be set.
Yeah broadcasters even bring that up. Being set. I’m like 🤔 every time. Seems like people don’t like good defense
I have this conversation every time I watch a charge with someone, because they inevitably bring up “feet moving.” It’s the pass interference of Basketball: Everyone has an idea of what it looks like in their mind, but don’t know the specifics of the rule.
I nearly lost my mind a few seasons back when Stan Van Gundy was an announcer and started talking about it. Dude, you were a coach!! You should know better.
There’s always grey area. Makeup calls. “Let them play” situations. There are no robots on that court.
Maybe the ref immediately recognized Hayes not being completely set, or moving slightly into Zion’s path but a split second later he gets leveled by a reckless player. Yes, Zion’s technically not considered “out of control” if Hayes isn’t in a legal guarding position, but the spirit of offensive foul rules is to ensure that players are in control of their body. Zion was not. He didn’t have time to consider whether or not Hayes was going to establish his position. I think if Zion isn’t just barreling headlong toward the basket hoping people get out of his way, he gets the call.
I think the same reasoning that lets either call be correct in this scenario based on the ref’s discretion also allows a non-call to be acceptable. Because if something is so close that either player could be considered in the wrong, allowing the game to continue without stoppage is I think what most fans want to see, and is fair.
Chaotic good.
It’s definitely not an and-1. Zion hadn’t even picked up his dribble yet.
It was both an offensive and defensive foul, thus offsetting
i mean based on the people arguing this is a charge when it clearly isn’t, and how bad the Lakers were screwed, actually i think they would get some pushback lol
There is absolutely no requirement to be “set”. Zion has not begun his shooting motion at the time of contact.
It comes up on every single block charge post in the history of this sub, because it’s been indoctrinated in to people since we’ve been playing rec ball and it’s easier 95% of the time to explain the rule this way, buts it’s not accurate until the shooter has begun upward motion / shooting motion (verbiage on what constitutes a shooting motion differs between high school, college, nba, but verbiage around block charge and legal guarding position requirements does not).
Yea i know we talk about the being set concept, but it can’t always be true anyways, cuz does it mean if the defender isnt set that you can just plow thru him full speed? Hah
That’s not a thing
K
Nah when this happens it’s so clear that every ref is waiting for another ref to do it and then no one does it and then it’s been too long so no one calls it
Here is my occasional reminder that there are not 3 refs out there to watch the ball. They each have a primary coverage area that is distinct from one another. The point of having 3 referees is to be able to watch what is going on all across the floor (weak side screens, positioning in the post, off ball movement, etc), which you cannot do if you simply have the 3 of them watching the ball handler.
We want refs to see everything that is happening on the court, not to give us 3 different opinions on what is happening with the ball handler.
Refs are homeboys with the mascots. They didn’t forget.
I’ve seen way too many plays, where there are just two players right in front of the refs, snd foul is obvious, put they call nothing! Are they too exhausted from running up and down the court?
It doesn’t.
I’m tired of this contact ALWAYS needing to be a block or charge.
Sometimes it’s neither
The NBA has the absolute worst product out there to watch.
I’d rather watch golf tbh
Counterpoint- no, it doesn’t.
Julius Randle sees this a lot. If the defender flops trying to draw the charge sometimes the refs just don’t call anything. I guess in their minds he’s in a legal guarding position, but they don’t think the contact from Randle is enough to warrant an offensive foul. In those situations I like the no call. You can’t reward the flop because they’ll just keep doing it if you do, but you can’t really call a blocking foul either.
For the record what we see in this clip is not at all what I’m describing. Hayes is squared up and Zion runs him over. Should be an offensive foul.
Exactly. Someone is on the floor so it’s either a bloc or a charge. That guy didn’t just fall down so what is it?
Drives me NUTS when there are blatant no calls. Like even if it’s a block at least you blew the damn whistle
I mean it’s SOMETHING
I hate Hayes and I like zion
That being said that’s 100% a foul on zion… Jaxon was set and got trucked
I’d be interested in how many fouls/game stoppages there were right before this play. They tend to not call fouls when the flow of the game has already been continually disrupted.
Not saying I agree with it. I would just like to see the last minutes of game time before this.
Zion prolly had 4 or 5 fouls at this point
It’s either a charge or a blocking foul. Refs being garbage again lmao
It’s a blocking foul - Hayes clearly is moving to initiate contact
What they called which is nothing
Getting bodied
If Jaxson didn’t shift his left leg at the last second then it might’ve been called a charge.
Zion to the buffet table…
Holy hell I can hear it up here. Lol
That shit must have fkin hurt lmao
We can only hope. Hayes is a pos
Justice for G-Wiz.
Some days you’re the hammer, some days you’re the mascot.
why?
woman beater
Also mascot beater
And not the funny way like Robin Lopez.
Per Wikipedia:
In November 2024, TMZ published surveillance video of Hayes pushing his girlfriend, spitting at her, preventing her from exiting the house, and pulling her back through a doorway. On the video, his girlfriend can be heard saying “I’m not going to let you hit me anymore. What the fuck do I look like, a punching bag?” After the video was released, the NBA reopened its investigation into Hayes’ conduct.
Zion knocked the wind out of him with that shoulder. You can hear the “oof.” No-call there is CRAZY work.
Refs swallowed their whistle hard at the end of this game. Smart was clearly fouled on the 3 pointer soon after this, too, but nothing called. Madness.
Players were complaining all game on fouls and non-fouls from both sides. I’ll give the refs this, they were at least consistent. In the 4th the players just settled in and adjusted to the contact allowed
Consistency within a game is nice, but this is a charge in 90+% of games. Crazy how the NBA can’t get its shit together when it comes to calling fouls consistently.
I agree on this. Players from both teams were complaining every damn play; I’d be pissed as a ref too.
They were complaining cause the refs were hot fucking garbage and couldn’t get a single call right all damn game.
If both teams are complaining every damn play it means u suck at ur job and doesn’t deserve to be there and clearly a ton of NBA refs does
Yeah, that Jazz game last night was ref-ed terribly too.
I said on a other thread. This gotta be an Adam silver thing to not let close games be decided by free throws.
I kinda agree but also, what the fuck at even the foul rules for.
You mean settled in to how bad the refs were at their job.
That too. The bar is honestly low for me. Refs often aren’t even consistent in the same game on how fouls are called from quarter to quarter
So if they’re at least consistent, we know that players will eventually adjust and players are fine with that.
They called a charge on him a few minutes prior.
They were consistent in “not putting up with bullshit,” but also caused their own bullshit lol.
Two times, in my opinion: first on the release and then on the dangerous closeout.
offensive players are allowed to play football while Defensive players can’t touch players going to the rim
unless youre lu dort
that’s nba basketball for you
That’s the only reason Giannis has a title.
This isn’t a charge Hayes filet were moving
I mean he should probably be set if he wants the charge call
I love seeing Jaxson Hayes getting beat up
Anyone else and I may have concern. Hayes will be fine. He took a charge, hit the ground then got back up. Play on
Why is trucking guys allowed nowadays lol?
nowadays?😭
It is pretty recent.
It was pretty recent that shoulder-to-chest was basically an automatic offensive foul .
Now you can be a bowling ball and you’ll rarely get an offensive call.
Giannis is the poster child of what you’re describing. He also gets away with some egregious travels, aka the “gather step”
Yeah ThinkingBasketball did a whole video on this, you don’t need to use dribble moves anymore, just bash straight into people and knock them out of the way.
Always has been
Making the NBA Great Again
Here is a similar play from 10 years ago. https://youtu.be/pnhBnVLHs2E?si=SpdpxKZpvrWlw71b&t=193
Plumlee leans in and flops at contact, Cousins does give him a forearm, refs decide these balance out, no call. I promise I can find you plays earlier than this, too. there is absolutely precedence for this type of decision
Lmao did you see the ‘charge’ that cousins took on the very next play?? This video proves nothing. And is not nearly similar to Hayes feet set and some rushing full steam. Sorry
Funny enough I think that Cousins move gets called for a push off in 2026 because it’s a full arm extension. Maybe 60% of the time.
That cannot be a no call. You need to call a foul one way or the other. Too much contact not to.
idk, i think more people should start trucking jackson hayes. miles bridges and kevin porter jr too while we’re at it
As a laker fan, if we could have this happen to Jaxson 5-6 times each game, I’d really appreciate it
Basketballs is hard to “believe in” or “take seriously” versus like football or baseball because it seems like the rules are so subjective and change like every two years
People bitch in those sports too, basketball isn’t special
I agree. I don’t get the rules when it comes to stuff like this so it’s harder for me to enjoy the game.
I understand what you’re getting at but using baseball as a counterpoint is funny because they’ve very specifically changed the rules in multiple ways each year to improve watchability lol. I think baseball is more consistently umpired because there’s really no player contact so there’s no decisions to be made about who fouled who. But honestly people constantly complain about the strike zone and the way umps can ruin games with calls that are slightly off so maybe it’s just inherent in all sports
Remember, the NFL has trouble defining what a catch is… and MLB now has a pitch clock and larger bases
And the rule changes made the MLB more watchable while the NBA is losing millions of viewers every year
You had something going until the MLB part of the comment
Strange non call. Saved Zion from further embarrassment.
Jackson didn’t have both feet planted. Am I missing smth
People here are acting like he went straight into his chest lol he bumped him on his side and Jayes was shuffling his feet to the left to meet him when contact was initiated. This is the same thing I see with Giannis all the time - being weaker/going down when contact happens doesn’t make it a charge.
Then it’s a foul. People are primarily objecting to the no call. That level of contact warrants some kind of call.
Yeah, the way I see it is that Zion was trying to go around, Hayes got in his way and created the contact, but the contact wasn’t bad enough to warrant a foul. Zion grazed Hayes (relatively for the NBA, that contact could send me to the hospital) and he went to the floor trying to draw a foul, making the contact look worse.
It’d be a terrible offensive foul, because guys shouldn’t be penalized for trying to go around someone. And I’m fine not calling a block because the contact didn’t affect Zion and giving up the easy bucket is penalty enough.
no, it’s just laker fans bombarding this thread lol. great no call by the refs
The replays in stadium showed he was set
Being set doesn’t matter
Someone not have their feet frozen to the ground does not mean anyone with the ball gets to initiate contact to them with impunity - you still have to go around him, not through him.
If the defensive player isn’t set but the offensive player intentionally lowers their shoulder to initiate contact who is the foul on?
Hayes looks like he may be set regardless, but let’s pretend he isn’t.
If by “set” you mean his feet weren’t planted then it’s on Zion, cause feet don’t have to be planted for a charge. If you mean he wasn’t in a legal guarding position then it’s on Hayes, cause you have to be in front of the offensive players path before he gets there, legal guarding position, and before he starts the shooting motion for it to count as an offensive foul
The offense.
This is a textbook charge. Strange no call.
the no call definitely has something to do with the angle of zion’s body probably making it look like (from the ref’s angle) that he was moving across Hayes and not through. Marcus Smart also probably blocked his view a bit.
tbh, the way reffing works with a 3 ref team in the NBA, I think that ref was supposed to keep moving to the baseline as the blonde ref on the other side is meant to be sideline. If he did his job there he would’ve had the better angle and been able to call the charge.
Refs were crazy inconsistent in the second half. They swallowed their whistle through all contact (which I actually liked) but every five minutes they would remember its their and blow the whistle for stuff like the Luka Airball or the million technicals. I’m fine with the strong contact but I think you have to clean up the peripheries if you’re going to go that way. The DJ lane violation was egregious and should be embarrassing for the league.
if you ask me shaq got away with trucking during his days
And people got away with hacking him too on a lot of plays
That and his elbows. He was hard to defend because he was straight up assaulting people on the court
They don’t call him The Diesel for nothing!
What is basketball?
Good no call.
I’ll allow it
That’s a foul on somebody. lol
You have to set your feet and have position to draw a charge. Guy was shuffling his feet and just got in front of him. I can respect this no-call
Can you show where in the rulebook it says you have to set your feet? Because I promise that’s not the rule.
And the NBA rule “To draw a charge in the NBA, a defender must establish a legal, stationary position in an offensive player’s path—typically outside the restricted area—before contact occurs, taking the impact in the torso. Key techniques include anticipating drives, planting feet, and maintaining a square, upright stance”
Yes we are in the NBA after all. Direct rulebook quote:
“A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.
A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his upward motion to attempt a field goal or pass.
A defensive player must allow a moving player the opportunity to avoid contact when the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box. The lower defensive box is the area between the 3-foot posted-up marks, the bottom tip of the circle and the endline.
A defensive player must allow an airborne player the opportunity to land and then avoid contact when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.
A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed and distance.
A defensive player must allow an airborne player who receives a pass the space to land when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.
A player must allow a moving opponent without the ball the opportunity to avoid contact if he moves into his path.
The speed of the player will determine the amount of distance an opponent must allow.
If an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has established a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no points may be scored. A defensive player may turn lightly to protect himself, but is never allowed to bend over and submarine an opponent.
An offensive foul should not be called for charging if the contact is with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position within a designated “restricted area” near the basket for the purpose of drawing an offensive foul. The offensive player must take a path directly to the rim. The “restricted area” for this purpose is the area bounded by an arc with a 4-foot radius measured from the center of the basket ring.
EXCEPTION: Any player may be legally positioned within the “restricted area” if the offensive player receives the ball within the Lower Defensive Box.
The mere fact that contact occurs on these type of plays, or any other similar play, does not necessarily mean that a personal foul has been committed. The officials must decide whether the contact is negligible and/or incidental, judging each situation separately.
An offensive foul shall be assessed if the player initiates contact in a non-basketball manner (leads with his foot, an unnatural extended knee, etc.).”
In a further comment on the rules we can see legal guarding position elaborated on: ““To get into a legal position, the defender needs to establish himself in the path of the offensive player before contact is made, thus “beating him to the spot,” and before he starts his upward shooting motion.”
Yep. Neither the rules nor logic say that you have to freeze for it to be a foul on someone who rams into you, only that you have to be staying in your space rather than cutting into their space. You can be moving backwards, or moving laterally to stay between the man and the rim.
“Not permitted to move into the path”
Hard to take that as anything other than the feet have to be set, since otherwise they are moving.
Do you think a defender can really just hop right in front of an offensive player and draw a charge?
And highland school “To draw a charge in high school basketball, you must establish a legal guarding position (torso facing the opponent, both feet on the floor) before contact, ideally outside the restricted area. Key techniques include sliding into the path of a driving player, taking contact on your chest, and falling backward to signal the foul to officials”
Maybe the rec league you play in lets you shuffle your feet and be set to draw a charge, but High School, College and the NBA require the defender be set first.
“As of the 2023-2024 season, NCAA basketball rules require a defender to establish a legal guarding position (stationary with both feet planted) before an offensive player plants a foot to begin their upward shooting motion. If the defender arrives after this, a block is called. Secondary defenders must be outside the 4-foot restricted area arc”
A broken promise, lol
We really bringing up the ncaa rule book for a play in the NBA? This also seems like chat GPT not the actual rule book
I was showing that nearly every level of basketball requires the defender to be set to draw a charge
You didn’t. Regardless, ncaa rules don’t have a place in this discussion. You might as well bring up volleyball rules too
Okay, sure.
A defender can jump right in front of a player on offensive and draw a charge.
You really think that’s the case?
You know that basketball and volleyball are different sports right?
You realize ncaa and nba have different rule books right? So what one says doesn’t matter if it’s the wrong rule book. Just like ncaa has different rule books for basketball and volleyball. If you cite the traveling rules from the NCAA it means nothing to traveling rules in the NBA.
And I think you have to be in legal guarding position like the NBA rule book says
Legal Guarding position is without moving feet.
And again, I know it was an NBA clip.
And again, I was showing how at nearly level of competitive basketball you cannot be moving your feet to draw charge.
I am done explaining the basics, have a good one
Good. Fuck him.
It’s weird to say I think the Lakers have been getting one-sided officiating (in a bad way), for awhile now. They may have just decided they were tired of the Luka whining.
Block/charge is one of the hardest calls in the game, but this one is pretty clear.
Well he was in a semi circle - just not the one closest to the basket where charging isn’t called.
The real foul here is you calling him Jackson. His name is Jaxson.
Hayes moves right into the path of where Zion is OBVIOUSLY going. Do people here believe anytime someone puts their body on Zion that it’s a foul because he’s strong as fuck? It’s a foul on Jaxson but one that doesn’t need to be called. He didn’t affect shit on zions play because he overpowered him the same way Shaq use to back in the day.
You simply can’t have a whole team foul out if Zion just does that each play. Everyone is high af here and doesn’t remember that guys like Zion, Giannis, Jokic, Shaq, Chuck etc. get fouled much more frequent but because they’re so strong, it doesn’t always affect their game. The league can’t allow these guys to become gods because of their strength and size. There needs to be parity. So when the shot is very clearly not affected, sometimes they just don’t get the call.
This sub hates free throws but constantly is asking for more. Lol
Hayes moves right into the path of where Zion is OBVIOUSLY going.
He got their first and it wasn’t close. Zion has to go around him, and could have gone around him, but went through him instead.
Watch the video again. Jaxson first got set, then he shifted his left foot into Zion’s path. If he stayed set and didn’t shift that last second and then got bumped, then you could call a charging foul there.
In my opinion he wasn’t really set. If you watch it slow you see zions arm on the other side of Hayes body because he was trying to avoid him and then Hayes leaned more into him after.
Show me in the rule book where a charge requires the defender to be set. I’ve only seen it say legal guarding position
NBA is a joke
That’s some prime Shaq stuffing right there.
Zion “Leonard ‘Truck’ Robinson” Williamson
The refs had no control of this game. Luka bitched after every play then they forced some techs just to swallow whistles on both ends to close the game
Fundamentals of charge taking to fall straight back no matter where you get hit. Good try. Ideally Hayes would look like this if Zion didn’t even touch him.
But I notice you didn’t include the replay which would very likely show that it’s not a charge.
It’s Xmas Jaxon Flaxon Waxon
Refs needed the over
Star Power / Hype perks > role player
If that was against SGA it would’ve been called flagrant 2
You can hear the air leaving jax body
I like it. It should be no calls every time a player tries to take a charge.
Zion went deep in his bag on that one. So shifty.
Now do this to Miles Bridges thanks
You can see both refs weren’t in the proper position to call the charge, so no charge called.
Giannis did this in our finals constantly.
Hayes moves his left foot at the last second negating it from being a charge. It seems Like Zion brushed around him and Hayes fell as he was trying to sell it hence the no call. Honestly I would have just called the blocking foul but I see how none of them called it tbh
Flinching your foot does not mean the guy with the ball can just bulldoze you with impunity.
Yeah, but it’s not a charge. Bulldoze is a bit of a stretch as size is relative in this situation. Makes sense why Hayes fell over slightly off balanced and push from someone bigger than you usually ends up with you on the floor at worst
Normally I’d say that’s a terrible no call but since it happened to Hayes I’ll allow it
All charges should be a no whistle when the defender just decides to fall down instead of playing d
Ref had the Zion prop over
Refs. Ruining games and calling fouls. And they just ran out of fouls to call so they focus more on ruining the game. Same theme as yesterday. No accountability.
It’s either a block or a charge, if we’re seeing the same play, there’s no way it’s nothing
Jaxson Hayes? I’ll allow it.
He was doing that all game lol
Feet not settled. I hope that hurt. Hayes is such a loser.
Seems like the allowed level of physicality is escalating as we get closer to the playoffs.
I don’t give a shit about tanking, fix the officiating problem.
His feet were moving, though. Wouldn’t it be a block?
AI refs cant come soon enough
Hopefully it hurt. I’m sure not as much pain as his girlfriend experienced when he punched her and strangled her but its a start
Two sides of the coin here…
It seems like the “spirit” of the rule for charges is the offensive player shouldn’t be able to just run through a defensive player in front of him to gain an advantage/score. I would 100% like to see refs call more charges for guys barreling through defenders or pushing off with the off arm.
The subjectivity of calling games by the “spirit” of the rule leaves too much room for inconsistency (which is already bad enough).
Personally I think balancing the game more with more strict offensive fouls would give some help to defenses and lower scoring a bit.
This is just what Hayes does to women in his free time and he doesn’t get in trouble for it? Why should Zion?
Refs were absolutely awful during that game
This is a textbook charge lol
Zion Williamson has the Mike Tyson gene where he is huge but entirely composed of fast twitch muscle fiber.
Clint capela would’ve put up a better fight
that’s a block or no call. he was moving his feet to his left as zion tried to avoid him. At least from this angle.
Hayes flopped plus he deserves worse than this
Lol tbf don’t pretend LeBron did not truck Zion
lmfao bro said WEIGHTROOM and the refs said fair enough
NBA would do itself a lot of good if the refs called the rules of basketball.
Isn’t it the rule that if the offensive player knocks the defensive player into the restricted area, it’s not a charge?
(No. I know)
Throughout the league, the refs are allowing lots of obvious bulldozing to go on without calling it. I watch YouTube highlights of games daily, and this is leading to fights almost every night. They better get a handle on it, because they are already concerned about sagging ratings.
Glad to see no call nowadays.
His back foot was sliding. I dont mind the call actually
Neither the rules nor logic say that you have to freeze for it to be a foul on someone who rams into you, only that you have to be staying in your space rather than cutting into their space. You can be moving backwards, or moving laterally to stay between the man and the rim.
Players twerking on Jokics crotch, people being ran over by trucks. Going to be an interesting post season.
2 minutes on the clock in the 4th quarter of a close game boy you better block that shit that’s what he gets fucking idiot 😂
It’s usually a charge but I’m not a fan of committing to the oversell.
Zion is a bull, and he’s likely going to dislodge you at times. But committing to hitting the floor at first contact makes it cartoony. Especially when he didn’t drop his shoulder.
thats what im saying lol Zion did not “truck” him. he was clearly trying to move around, collided with Hayes bc Hayes tried to slide up (his feet clearly move!) and then Hayes flopped like a fish the second they touched. yh im not calling that either
This. And I like when they don’t call a block on these either. Let the guy that throws himself to the floor look up to see the guy he’s supposed to be defending get an easy bucket. If it happens enough maybe they’ll try staying on their feet instead.
The reason they don’t stay on their feet is refs never call a correct charge if the defender doesn’t fall over in the expected way.
Then it’s on the coaching staff. If you want to be in the business of going 4 on 5, then have at it.
In this instance it wasn’t a correct charge, though. There’s a big difference between letting yourself go down when someone legit hits you and throwing yourself to the floor when someone grazes you.
Wait til you play the Nuggets.