Cade Cunningham in the loss: 10/6/14, 5 TO on 29% TS
Rough scoring night for Cade, got some assists tho
https://www.espn.com/nba/game/\_/gameId/401810739
29 ts??
29 this shit
What I was saying all game
29 deez nutz?
He’s never been the most efficient player tbf
Tatum used to have these games at this point in his career too lol
I think I remember a 2-18 from 2 game against ye olde Brook Lopez deep drop, and I think he basically had that line earlier the same season
Not tons of these games but you know, plenty
Tater had a supporting cast that could shoot.
an efficient 10 points would be weirder let’s be honest
Hey I mean it’s still slightly better than his 28% recently
Him and Harden having a dud off
Harden’s mind is on the Hawks Lemon Pepper Strip Club Celebration give him a break
Left cheek right cheek performance for the ages
He’s back already??
Harden? Yeah he returned last game, he still doesn’t trust his handle much right now with the fracture and tape, but I also think he was just off in general today.
Didn’t make a field goal in the second half
Like one free throw since like midway through the 2nd quarte
Jesus
It’s like they resurrected a 90s team, flashbacks of Knicks box scores with John Starks.
Imao if dude has these games in the playoffs idk if Pistons can win games like they do in regular season
He literally had those games in the playoffs last season, he was ass and he’s gonna do the same this year because he isn’t a great scorer and also the team just doesn’t have great scoring outside of him
Yeah the Pistons’ halfcourt offense will be their downfall in the playoffs
Typical JB Bickerstaff team deal.
Yeh I’ll be the first one to give their defense its flowers but their offense is going to be annihilated against playoff level defense
After Cade their next best shot creator is… Tobias Harris? Dudes a hard worker, but they’ll be lucky to get past the conference semis
Going to crush whoever they play in the first round. Detroit will be jumping with excitement.
2nd round throttling coming soon after
I mean charlotte in the first round doesn’t sound great either lol
Charlotte is a good matchup for them, Charlotte defense is bad enough that the Pistons can actually score, Pistons elite defense is better than Hornets elite offense
Charlotte defense isn’t as bad as people think, 17 in defensive rating on the year and obviously much better as of the last two months
It’s not they have a 7th best defense in the past 15 games but still overall they’ll go back to being outside the top 10 and i think it’s a better match up for the Pistons than other teams
Fair, still think it will be competitive.
Yep and if they fail playoffs it’s not that big of a deal, they need to win a series imo and next season the can improve their team and add a much needed 2nd creator
They got a very good young team, obviously very flawed offensive and they are overperforming so people will put expectations on them
He literally didn’t have one game this bad in the playoffs last year.
If that happens they’ll be the new Cavs. Honestly felt they should’ve won their series last year but just some duds and got screwed that one game by the refs
Wouldn’t be shocking if they’re the new Cavs considering they have the old Cavs head coach
Yes, we’re jaded and probably overly-negative on Bickerstaff, but we watched the offenses he ran out in the playoffs. They were just so basic and easy to stop when playoff defenses tighten up. The Pistons easily could make a run because of how dogshit the East is but I don’t think they’re real contenders to beat whoever comes out of the West as constructed.
They can’t shoot the ball.
Huh? He didn’t score under 21 once against the Knicks. He was our best player in a series that went to 6. He was much, much worse tonight than he ever was in the playoffs last year.
Cade didn’t have 1 game under 20 points in the playoffs lol you sound like a hater
Now show the percentages. They were nasty
I’m not talking about 20 point games, no shit he had 20 point games taking over 22 shots and 7 free throws
He did in awful efficiency that’s the point, any player can score 20 points on 20+ shots
He averaged 25ppg on 21FGA with a TS% of 50, his scoring was ass
They cant this not a good matchup for them harden n mitch will always make cade work hindering his offense. Pistons, Knicks, cavs can all beat each other and lose to each other
Except Mitchell didn’t play tonight and harden stunk too
Yea that just makes it worse for them imo
Thompson was guarding Harden most of the time
Pistons need some shooters something bad. If they had a couple guys who can make some long shots they’d be nearly unstoppable
One of the greatest chuckers in recent memory
In fairness, Haliburton put up some absolute stinkers during the playoffs last year, and yet his team came within one game of winning a championship.
That’s Carlisle though. You give him a post-prime Monta Ellis, he’ll put together the best offense in the NBA and push the finals winner to 7 games.
The pacers also had Pascal Siakam to pick up the slack
Meh, they shouldn’t be expected to. They’re a great RS team this season, but anyone who claims they thought they were favs to come out of the east this year before the season started is clearly lying. It’s obviously a building year. They should be expecting to get to the EC/a competitive semi EC tho. And that should be a good step for him.
I’ve been saying this, they’re not built for the playoffs. They have some bruisers and an MVP caliber player, but it’s not going to win 7 game series. They’re pretty much a lock for the one seed so I would be surprised if they lose the first round, but I don’t see them getting past the second round
if i remember correctly the knicks were one bad call from going 7 against them without isaiah stewart
Yea a heliocentric team always needs a secondary ball handler and playmaker. That was supposed to be Ivey, but right now, the offense is super reliant on Cade he has to be close to perfect. They still have a great defense though, but even SGA needs a Jalen Williams.
That shit say 10 points
On 29 TS
in 40 minutes
Against the Cavs.
on a tuesday
in March
In the year 2026
Against Jaylon Tyson, specifically…
Is even worse cause he actually got like a quick 6 or 8 points starting the first quarter lmao
I was at the game I really thought he was gonna kill us all game
They will just keep excusing these horrible games and his terrible efficency and keep him in the mvp race. Anyone else getting raked over the coals for days.
He’s the only MVP candidate that isn’t held to the standard of an elite scorer
I believe in Cade despite these performances but I felt like I was insane when people were like “Wemby can’t be a MVP candidate because he has off offense nights” and then were putting Cade 1⁄2 in the race.
Not to flame Cade, just that him and Wemby have off nights on offense pretty much the same amount
Both guys scored 10 points tonight but there was a huge difference in their impact. Wemby is so good on D that he can still have an overall solid game without doing much on offense
i mean Wemby is an MVP candidate who’s a fine but not elite scorer, he obv is in the MVP conversation for his DPOY caliber defense tho
so no, Cade is not “ the only MVP candidate that isn’t held to the standard of an elite scorer”
Exactly
This sub is obsessed with efficiency but with Cade it’s all about intangibles like leadership and DAWG/48
Because the guy they don’t like is shooting 10% better than him at the same position
And taking L’s when he doesn’t perform apparently
It’s because Detroit are still seen as underdogs and Cade hasn’t spent a long time in the limelight.
Less efficient than “PBnoJ” this season yet one is MVP and the other is a bust according to this sub
Playmaking CARRYING his mvp case
Aint no way you’re still comparing Cade to Paolo LMAOOOO. Pretty sure Cade just dogged on him a few nights ago.
Cade is obviously better but it’s an amusing observation
Wait, really? Whoa, especially with the difference in 3s
Cade is shooting 1.7% better from three and Paolo started the season shooting like 15% for the first month and a half lol
agreed
Ant was called an inefficient shot chucker for having a 56 Ts% at 20⁄21, but now it makes you a viable MVP candidate.
In 2021, league average is 57 and now it is 58. Small difference but still. Plus that was Ant at 20
Jaylon Tyson put him through absolute hell jesus christ
Him, Ellis, Craig is a nightmare to see. Great team defense tonight
I know the Cavs have a soft reputation, but with the rise of Jaylon Tyson and the addition of Schroder and Ellis, this team suddenly looks pretty scrappy. They didn’t even have D. Mitch tonight, that’s the crazy thing
Tyson already upped our Dawg but adding a bastard in Schroeder and Ellis’ spaz energy has completely changed the vibe especially on defense
There was a narrative. It is three years old.
Add Wade to that list
Having a guy like Ellis to come off the bench and just make ball dominant guards lives total hell is such a huge thing to have for the playoffs
Eills especially just made it hard for Cade to get the ball. The rim protectors really bothered him too
Jaylon Tyson looked like a DPOTY candidate
There are MIP arguments. But it’ll probably be what, Avdija?
Has to be Keyonte George
Tyson struggles with quick guards so Cade isn’t a bad matchup for him. Not saying Cade is slow but he’s more intentional with his play style as opposed to someone like Maxey who is real quick off the dribble.
🔥 put Cade in a mf straight jacket
Luka would get crucified for ts
Luka ain’t dropping 10/6/14 anytime soon, ts will probably happen 10 years from now
Am I tweaking or is Cade not getting crucified right now for this??
Getting crucified is getting 10 posts about this statline in the front page then getting the ESPN guys to publicly shame you for a week
Luka got more criticism after a 41/8/8 game on great efficiency more than Cade will get for this game
Yeah there need to be a few viral clips with thousands of upvotes, another 10 or so viral posts trashing him, and then a week straight of every major NBA podcast asking whether you can ever win with him as your best player.
Then we can talk. 😂
Lukas been getting crucified while playing well. There’s levels to the media hating you
Not like Luka would be
I opened this thread thinking “his first hate post, Cade’s made it”
Cade had an even worse game less than 2 weeks ago and he’s been getting more MVP hype since then. Maybe this game will bring people back to reality
A little yeah, but the bar for Luka is a lot higher hence why its crazy when people compare the 2. That mf would drop a 40 point triple double, +10 in a loss, look average on defense, and the media would be talking about 1 possesion at the end of the game where he lost his man as the reason they lost, “can you win with him”, “is he better than this player”, lets drop him down from the All-NBA list
He would but i like this better. The less negativity going on the better
Cleveland put him jail down the stretch. Took away the short roll, and the lob. Doesn’t help that he sometimes accepts the defense funneling him into areas which are easier to trap.
This dude was going directly into the same double team over and over and over again and it led to some real bad turnovers. The best thing that happened when he did it was he was able to turn around and exit the double team to pass it to an open player with no advantage gained. It was hard to watch.
Lefler was just on Lowe’s podcast campaigning for Cade as a 1st team lock and MVP favorite should the big 3 miss the games mark (I don’t disagree). He mentioned how even with good shooting metrics he just impacts the game at that level and nobody has made him uncomfortable this season.
Had you seen a performance like this from him or did the Cavs find something last night? Not at all worried on Cade’s behalf, and Detroit should absolutely be rewarded in end of season rewards assuming they stay on pace for the top East seed and possibly best overall record.
He’s had a few clunkers lately. San Antonio. He also had a stretch right before the all star break that wasn’t very good either. His shot was not falling and when that happens it’s a rough night.
He’s also got a basketball computer brain so i actually think he’ll be fine. He just takes a while to adjust.
This dude was going directly into the same double team over and over and over again and it led to some real bad turnovers. The best thing that happened when he did it was he was able to turn around and exit the double team to pass it to an open player with no advantage gained.
I see him do this way too often in general. He’s big enough and smart enough that he can still make something positive happen for his team, but he makes things so hard on himself sometimes.
He also has a habit of waiting an extra beat after he gets trapped. It works against lesser defenses because he can get away with it to find a more open man often enough, but better defenses make him pay. A lot of pointless turnovers or rushed possessions .
Yeah. Usually he still has a height, length, and athleticism advantage to be able to see to make the pass. It’s a crutch. Most of the time in this game the doubler along the wing was Mobley, so Cade couldn’t make the pass, which is what led to his turnovers.
Against doubles like these he needs to hit the roller way faster and get the Draymond advantage. Honestly, they need to run an off-ball screen to get Mobley on Ausar then do the Ausar-Cade pick and roll. Ausar with a man advantage is a scary thing for a defense.
I think it’s just a matter of time until he figures it out and starts making those reads faster, especially if teams use it against him on the playoffs. He also seems like he’s getting fatigued
I hate to say it but these issues are going to be exploited a lot more in the playoffs. Pistons should have added in a 2nd scorer if it was possible. Lauri, Kawhi, even MPJ
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He’s literally the worst MVP Candidate out of them all
If shai and jokic dont make it to 65 games it has to be wemby. If wemby also doesnt make it to 65 games then no mvp this year, we’ll just do two next year or something
A “no one” option in MVP voting would be hilarious
Sleeping on Ant
I’ll take ant mvp belongs in the west
Luka?
No. Being bad at defense is overcomable but not even trying on defense because youre too busy bitching at the refs is not. He kills his team with that shit
Antman
He’s better than Jaylen Brown
He’s not actually in the MVP race. Shai is the MVP by a mile and people are putting guys like Cade and JB in the convo just to make it interesting.
How was his defense?
Very average he didn’t stand out defensively but he didn’t get cooked
If you’re a Pistons fan don’t look at Cade’s splits against the Cavaliers over the last four matchups
I’m taking you guys coming out of the East I think
Plus 11 fouls in the last two games. And one of the dumbest challenges he made JB take early in the 3rd.
We’re well aware of his struggles
His fg is sooo bad haha
Cade does a lot of other things well but his scoring is by far the iffiest out of of the top 10ish players
Turns the ball over a lot too and fouls a lot
He’s shooting like 45%
it’s cool for Cade MVP. media gonna ignore this one like they did the 5⁄26 game
I thought it was even worse than that I had to go back and look. Rip
20 years from now people will be impressed Cade did so well against 7x DPOY Jaylon Tyson.
If Luka had this game it would have 1k likes already
Cade is no where near the level of the top 5 stars, would be the worst mvp of all time
Asterisk ass mvp if he gets it
MVP right there!
Never win MVP scoring 10 like wth dude
So we done with the cade mvp push right? Its done?
Cade’s MVP push was just prepping the masses for if Jokic and Shai didn’t get to 65
I mean Wemby’s right there. Kinda hard to miss imo.
Isn’t that push contingent on the other top guys all not getting enough games?
Either they don’t and he has a shot at it or they do and he doesn’t lol.
Rest up king they hating you now, but you will bounce back and make them cry again.
Story of Cade’s life basically
Ironically these are the posts that come with mvp expectations
He carries that team.
Weekly tradition
Luka CLEARS this BUM
I got downvoted for saying if Shai and Jokic miss the game limit, Cade should not be a shoe-in MVP. A lot of his value is on offense and to have the efficiency he has is kinda crazy considering he is seen as 3rd option in voting
MVP
I honestly refuse to let myself be bothered by Cade Cunningham mvp narrative because it’s so obviously stupid but media has entered new level of stupid and ignorant so here we are.
Also literally zero person in media will talk about a performance of his like this. And this is not even his worst performance this season. But somehow not being able to shoot isn’t considered detrimental to his team. Somehow “defense” is the buzzword for every flaw even though nobody knows how good of a defender he actually is lol.
Because nobody cares about the Pistons. If he was doing this for the Lakers or for a team that just won a championship, people would care more.
Harden also had a stinker but he has a broken thumb. Cade just got shut down.
Fuck all yall bring it on
I think this puts him over luka on mvp rankings
2 words. Jaylon Tyson
Clamps.
The Cavs defense has just been going at him harassing him at every opportunity with Keon and Dennis
Too many games like this from a supposed mvp
Don’t let anyone tell you he’s a better player than Ant or Luka
Preview of the playoffs with how we played him tonight. He saw a wall every time he put the ball on the floor and lived with anybody else hitting a shot
And we didn’t even have our secret weapon- drippy dean.
This y’all’s MVP?
Did he ever score again after midway through the second quarter aside from the one free throw
MVP my ass
Wtf he had 6 quick points to start the game
Is this your mvp candidate?
My god Jaylen might really fuck around and win MVP
No knock on him, but I’m not sure why he’s being mentioned in Reddit MVP conversations while playing arguably worse than last season.
But he plays great defense so it’s okay right?
He has his 3rd lowest ts% against the Cavs in his career. They always clamp him up
Piston mods will block you just cause you’re critical soft. JB is a good culture setter but doesn’t expect any playoff success
They’d get ridiculed for the entire season if they had a game this bad
Rough shooting or did someone shut him down?
This their MVP?
Every time I bet on this guy he poops the bed
#NOTMYMVP
#JAYLENBROWN
Ant 15-29 tonight btw
Sorry NBA talking heads your american hope is not here yet
better than Luka
Atkinson perhaps gave us a glimpse of what a solid defensive plan focused on Cunningham will do to the Pistons in the playoffs.
They have Cunningham and some playmakers, play good defense, but once you shut down Cunningham they don’t many shooting options and that’s usually a red flag in the playoffs.
This is why people were questioning Detroit’s top seed and how it will translate in the postseason.
And yes, I’m aware my team had the top seed and crashed last season; that only bolsters my point. Except for us it wasn’t lack of shooting, but injuries. Top seed in the regular season only takes you so far. Detroit will get there, but they will need to acquire some shooters.
It’s so bad the link you posted says stats not found
This sub fucking sucks
This unfortunately was brought upon him by the outrageous discourse surrounding him comparing him to the Shais Lukas and Wembys of the world
Tyson clears
Horrible game.
I don’t know what his deal is sometimes. Once every week on average I’d say he has a bad game. Some dudes that are supposed to be hardcore defenders don’t phase him, and there’s always a random one that will neutralize him.
Dudes were not helping by just not catching perfect dime passes under the basket, but this was a totally winnable game that they didn’t execute on.
Cavs looking scary
Yikes. Neither of the MVP candidates above him have had a night this bad. Games like this every week or so are why he’s never moving up the ladder.
That the mvp