Nikola Jokic in the loss: 23/18/14 on 9⁄25 FG
https://www.espn.ph/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401810717
23 points
18 rebounds
14 assists
9⁄25 FG, 2⁄10 3PT
Affordable housing MVP
this comment sent me
‘A big round of applause to Nikola Jokic, for doing more for the American Unhoused demographic than the government ever has’
what does affordable housing mean in this context?
Threw up a ton of bricks you could build affordable housing with is my guess
So many bricks you can build a new house for cheap
Serbian Triple double cocaine bear
Lol
He’s more ketamine than cocaine bear
I better see him get the same hate that Luka does when he has this kinda statline
Luka and Jokic get hate outside of their defense?
People say “empty stats” all the time or “ball hog”
Jokic definitely isn’t a ball hog. Doesn’t pound the air out of the ball like Luka.
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Yeah Jokic doesn’t has flopping screaming crying kicking the floor tantrums after not getting calls… definitely not.
Luka would have a ring if he played the heat in the finals
I mean Luka 100% does , I don’t get this comment
Edit: Luka gets shit for his defense, his at times excessive ball hogging like harden, and he DEF gets shit for whining like a bitch all game every game.
I havent seen this amount of hate for a player since prime harden lmao. The vitriol for luka in general right now is insane.
Luka is working towards dispelling the racism narrative floating around by garnering a ton of hate out of nowhere, it’s an honorable cause.
Luka is the most hated star on this sub since he lost in 2024 lmao wym?
He was super loved after the trade at first but getting a lot of hate now for sure lol
Jokic is a champ lol
That’s the difference
so is the gripe with Luka his play style or the fact he lost to the Celtics? Pretty sure it’s the play style.
I mean for me it’s just a fun little rivalry to enjoy but ya it’s the play style.
Plus there was leading up to the finals people saying Luka was the best player on the floor or Luka and Kyrie were the best duo, but I always thought if you watch the games Tatum clearly is better than Luka as a whole winning basketball player
This sub will glaze either regardless I wonder why
It would make sense for perk to not have any flair
His impact was tremendous for 3.5 quarters. He played a huge role in losing the game in OT.
Turned into Sim Bhullar in OT is probably a good place to start
I can’t tell if you’re being deadass. He was terrible in the clutch.
Only had a bad night in the most important part of basketball!
Got carried by Murray again btw
Did you even watch the game? He shot Denver out of OT clanking every single 3. They should have easily won that since Shai was benched
And was free eats on defense as usual
Yeah but Luka is worse on both sides of the ball
I feel like the solution to that is to just not rip continuously on Luka either. Not Jokic’s fault that this sub’s discourse is as horrific as it is
I think hate for this statline for any player is overblown, but Jokic still has way more of a defensive presence via his rebounding and rim protection (which tbf isn’t the greatest). If Luka has an off offensive night he’s simply not contributing.
Fair but I don’t think Luka’s entire offense ever just falls apart. If he’s having a bad night either he’ll have a ton of turnovers or a bad shooting night. Like against the Magic he got a lot of hate because he was inefficient (and passed the game winner) but he still had 15 assists and was feeding Ayton all night. Same is true for Jokic though
The problem with bad Luka shooting nights is he literally has the ball for double the amount of time as say Jokic. Like everyone on the nuggets touches the ball all the time and can stay in rhythm. Luka passes for assists and shoots a ton of shots where nobody else has touched the ball at all. It’s a lot easier to overcome a bad shooting night from your star as a team when everyone is in rhythm and thats hard to do with Luka.
Idk how to find it but finding out what Lukas teams records are when he shoots below average vs when a guy like Jokic does would be interesting.
Honestly that’s fair to say. I think if he was even neutral on defense he’d probably get a lot less flak, but the whole Lakers defense is a mess rn
Luka is an average defender right now though, at least this season. Especially compared to the redt of the team. Difference is any of his lapses are immediately clipped and shared across all media, something that isnt really done to anyone else.
Do stats actually show he’s average? If so then that’s fair, but his reputation and the eye test (not just clips) historically aren’t in his favor. especially against better teams and in the playoffs
Yes. Other than distance covered. I feel like objectively watching him recently hes been fine, its laker defensive scheme to funnel to shot blockers and hes nlt losing rotations often.
He was fine on defense against Boston, everyone just made a couple of bad possessions go viral even though he did fine otherwise. Hes never gonna be good on that end but he did fine that game. Yall just refuse to acknowledge it because nobody pays attention to what he’s doing on defense unless it’s an opportunity to shit on him
He held Jaylen Brown to 2⁄9 shooting when guarding him and nobody cares
Plenty of below avg defenders (don’t think it’s fair to call Luka bad) have a good defensive game here and there. The problem is that, like you said, he’s never going to be good on that end. It’ll be less of a problem when Lakers move on from LBJ though.
Where was that defensive presence tonight? Saw him get hunted in the paint in the 4th/OT
Nuggets fans will claim voter fatigue in 3 months
The shooting numbers were rough but that stat line is still wild for a loss.
Lost them the game in OT
He wasn’t great but damn, thj was ass. Got roasted on defense and some bad offensive plays down the stretch. Should’ve been Bruce brown’s minutes tonight. Also, is cam Johnson planning on doing anything at all?
Johnson had an impressive couple of blocks but a 0 on offense
He was gassed by then, but those 18 boards and 14 dimes kept them in it to begin with.
Somehow taking 25 shots while shooting 36% is gonna get defended here
Jokic’s been bad at shooting since he came back. His stats since injry is 26/15/10 but on 45/30/80 splits on 57% TS . Prior to his injury its 62/45/85, a record 17% field goal drop from his original production.
thats something, I cant remember when he was that far below 50% FG
Chuck up 3s in OT and going 2⁄10 was an insane decision. That being said, he shot better from 2 than SGA, and I wouldn’t say he had a terrible game. Just not great shooting from either one
The efficiency is rough but he was creating open looks all night, just couldn’t get them to fall.
But don’t forget his impact on defense!
Dbpm gotta be the worst stat ever that shit thinks he’s better than Wemby lol.
he is 2nd all time in career dbpm, behind only david robinson
Fucking ludicurious lol
The difference in discourse around jokic and luka is hilarious honestly, just constant goalpost moving
Agree… thats why im not looking at that DBPM… just use your eye test and you will see how Wemby affects defense compare to Jokic…
And that DBPM stated also that luka plays good defense which we all knew is a joke… hahaha
The thing that ends DBPM for me as a serious metric is that Assists from the Center position is used to increase the DBPM rating. The creator’s explanation is that better passing from big men correlates to better defense, so assist from a Center gives a bonus to defense.
Instead of adjusting the metric after a flaw was found, they mumbo jumbo’d a flimsy explanation.
It’s not like they didn’t already adjust the metric when Russ was breaking the algorithm. Russ’s rebounding from the point guard position was boosting his BPM to all-time levels, so they redid the formula to drop his metric down like 15-20%.
Any metric that uses BPM as a basis is inherently flawed.
It goes without saying that the Nuggets need Jokic’s touch and jumper to come back in the worst way or they’re probably the easiest 1st round exit of all the top 6 teams in the conference
It’s the worst it’s been since the Olympics and they’ve probably lost 3 or 4 games since he’s come back where the body of work from the team looks good but their best player still has this shot diet with Sengun’s touch
Sengun catching strays lmao
It’s warranted he’s got the worst touch of a European big man that I’ve ever seen
I will not stand for Gobert erasure
I actually forgot about Gobert. I might’ve jumped the gun there
Gobert is still a more impactful player than sengun despite playing basketball with his hands covered in cooking oil
It’s fascinating because coming into the draft he was profiling as an excellent interior scorer, and he just … sucks from all three levels
he is an insane passer but his touch is his super power. He is a better passing sengun since he has been back. These automatic floaters which are bad shots for everyone else are now bad shots for jokic which means he is barely a positive at this moment. I think he has been shooting 30-40% on floaters that used to be 80% shots
His wrist is hurt (killed his touch), he refuses to rest. Adelman should
He just had a month off. I don’t think his wrist is ever getting fully healthy
Agree, it supposedly needs surgery to fix and joker doesn’t want surgery
He is still +15. And Denver had 16 points lead.
Cam John disaster class tonight, the game didnt need to go to OT.
Well played OKC.
I agree - I think the only thing he did poorly today was shoot the ball like shit
Unfortunately the shooting was that shit that it cost them in a playoff-level game
thought THJ played worse. Cam was also nowhere to be seen but least he wasn’t turning it over(sorry remember a late TO now and missed 1st q and a half, reading he had 3 TOs)
but yet again Den can’t close this season. Pwatt, Murray iirc 3 times, Jokic once or twice, now Cam can’t hit the closer. Just ain’t their year.
Really unfortunate that OP “forgot” to mention the +/- .
His wrist is still messed up, he’s playing through it. Adelman mentioned 2-3 games ago he tests his wrist out early in the game then try to adjust his game accordingly depending on how it feels.
Having said that, Jokic chucking 3’s in OT was… something else. Let’s give the OKC defense credit too. I think Denver would have won in reg. if not for Caruso’s steals and 3’s at the end.
They get Gordon back. They’re a western conference finals lock long as they don’t meet the wolves early
Jokic has made it past the second round twice in his entire career. He has always been an easy first or second round bounce.
By this logic so is giannis, luka and shai lmao
“Easy first round bounce” my brother in Christ his only first round exit in his career is the year Austin Rivers, Monte Morris, and Will Barton were starting next to him against the eventual champion Warriors
Shai has made it past once in like 4 attempts. Is he always an easy out? Basically everyone except Curry and LeBron are easy outs?
Jokic does seem to drop off against absolute top competition more than you’d like
He looks GOAT level when it’s easy but when it’s hard he’s clearly a cut below those guys still a great player but you don’t see this dropoff from anyone his fans want to put him ahead of
🤫 his fanboys ignore this.
Love to post his statline when he plays the wizards tho
Not the best game from him, but he went +15 while his direct replacement (Jonas) went -21.
There are bigger problems on the Nuggets that he can’t mask
He has a hurt wrist…. and it makes sense since his touch is seemingly gone at the moment
Y’all can’t be speaking lol
Hes only beaten a singular above 50 win team in the playoffs in his entire career.
Good defenses always have something for him.
And that team was last year’s 5th seed Clippers lmao
These comments are absolutely laughable when you look at his career. Small sample size silliness, like seriously did you actually look into the stats? Over the last few years and his career have done great against good competition…
This is just how Reddit works.
‘zis iz just ‘ow ‘eddit works’
fuck outta here
All they care about is plus minus to get there bias across
This is a goat level statline for a bad game.
Y’all are tripping if you think Jokic wasn’t the Nuggets best or second best player tonight.
The nuggets wouldnt be in the game without Jokic.
this is a joke and L take
This is the dumbest take I’ve ever heard. He had near 70% TS against the Warriors in 2022, when Draymond was still DPOY level defense
Offtopic, but it’s crazy how often I see you in these threads.
someone remake this thread with a more slanderous title
Jokic’s statline looking like a triple double from Wish
I can’t wait for the day everyone stops pretending like this guy is the best player in the world lmfao
As long as his phenotype and weight resembles the average redditor, they’ll never accept that fact lol
Im glad more people are starting to catch on.
The NBA players are generally are starting to revolt.
I don’t think the average redditor understands how irritated the fans and media glazing of Jokic and Luka has been when there results on court are absolutely abysmal compared to accolades.
They hear Europeans are so great at basketball the hype online nonstop.
Its actively being talked about in barbershops that load management and lack of defense was pinned on Black Players on the backdrop of racists tropes. How the world players basically dodged the ASG. That at the Olympics Serbia and Slovenia hide behind population disparities why they cant win. When Luka and Prozingas doesn’t work not a peep but Embiid and Simmons are poster child for everything wrong with the NBA.
They saw how Kyrie and J.Brown were treated and how much smoke fans have foe LeBron on social issues meanwhile you owners actively funding genocides and authoritarian regimes.
Black Players were quiet for years because they knew the eyes balls were needed to increase the pot of money and guys were happy to cash their checks. But now you actively have fans turning a blind eye to cheap shots by Jokic. Luka refusing to play defense and being out of shape but because its an 80% Black League they hold the general view of the consumer.
NBA players saw how the Heatles were treated when everyone left money in pursuit of championships. They saw how Barkely, Wilkins, Carter, AI were treated for just making money and not carrying about improving their games/bodies. They saw how Melo is received for being about his stats and making money not playing winning basketball. The fact the Jokic and Luka avoid this critique, but Giannis didn’t get the heat as bad but it turned up fairly high on him (when he was an elite defender) but he had holes in his game offensively so he worked at them so he could improve his chances of winning.
Basketball people in the USA changed how we did things to expand the game. We diluted our style of play to Accomadate the world just to have them to attempt to erase us and prop up players who just aren’t good. No one in grass roots basketball is emulating Harden for an example. The NBA tried to push it and people called it trash. They doubled down and gave us Luka and that style of play is trash too and proof is in the results. Shai style of play gets half respect because he operates like a traditional 2-Guard being the primary scorer and solid defender and creator within a team offense. Why? Though from Canada those players are developed and come through the same pipeline and have the same expectations in terms of play requirements.
Long story short you will see very quickly the player pipeline type is about to change domestically to the NBA and frankly the world is not going to be able to keep up at all once they do. Two-way basketball is coming back along with sets and patterned offenses. It will take 3-5 years but open flowing postionless basketball hurt American Players.
Who is your #1? To be clear I don’t necessarily disagree, just curious what your pick is, SGA, Cade, Luka, Ant, Giannis, Wemby?
Jokic is who r/nba thinks harden is, a guy who doesn’t show up in big games. Game 7 wolves, game 7 OKC, tonight. Jokic completely falls apart in these games. Nikola Chokic
If literally any other “best player in the world” straight up quit on his team in an elimination game like Jokic did they would get dragged for it until the end of time.
Jokic? Didn’t even move the needle in terms of how people talk about him. His teammates just got more shit like always
They had an easy excuse. 2 players shouldn’t have even taken the court.
If you’re team is banged up wouldn’t THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD want to go out there and make his mark and try to be aggressive and take over? He took 9 FGA. ONE FG ATTEMPT IN THE SECOND HALF. Of a game 7. The dude saw it was a 17 point game and packed up his bags. IN A FUCKING GAME 7. Mind you, literally a year prior the Wolves came back from 20 against his very own team in a game 7 so Jokic very well knows it’s not over. But nah 1 FGA.
Literally any player other than him would have been dragged relentlessly for that. People still talk about Kobe quitting on his team…
I’m not disagreeing with their decision but it’s an easy out when talking shit about who wins or loses these games. It’s fair to use the excuse was my point of view. Same with Haliburton. He definitely should have not been out there, and we know how it turned out and now there’s an * on the win to some.
Okay don’t let Harden off the hook lmao both Jokic and Harden have horrible game 7 stats
Both are bad Game 7 performers but the difference is Harden gets criticised (rightfully so) and Jokic doesn’t
It’s true though even Harchoke probably would have won a ring with the Nuggets cakewalk 2023 path
Harden facing Jokic’s playoff competiton would net him at least 2 rings
But Luka led Lakers, with LeBron, were a first round exit in 5 against the Wolves. And a loss against the suns yesterday where Luka had 41. But you throw shade at Jokic based on hypothetical Harden rings. Get one championship with your gifted superstar before criticizing other players.
comes to show how overrated pra stats are if you watch the games
Buuuuut his Plus minus !!!
he was a +14 to be fair
the only thing worse than PRA for single game stats
Nikola “Got away with 9 fouls” Jokic again.
It’s crazy that while in the action, it felt like he was having an objectively bad game by his standards.
Then you see the box score and it tells a completely different story. What a phenom.
He was building the Great Wall of China but we went on a run every time he was out. Chet absolutely feasted on the boards without him in
Fucking blasted out bench to the point I didn’t wanna see them hyping anything up
Can’t wait for AG and Watson to fix our lineup by a mile
terrible shooting game. Everything else was good and that’s why you see big numbers
Tbh a big part of that impact was defense. He actually put in effort on defense cause the Thunder really pissed him off tonight and he was our sole presence on the boards, saved a lot of second chance points with that alone. It was an objectively horrendous offensive game.
One of his worst shooting games of the season?
His worst shooting game of the season was the first game where he shot 34.8% from the field (8⁄23).
Cocaine bear
his touch is just not back still, im still running with the theory that he fucked up his wrist more while he was out with the knee issue, hopefully he gets it back but either way he NEEDS that wrist surgery this offseason 100%
Russell Westbrook messed up by not being named Russa Westcic or something
This sub is so cooked lol. Wtf is this thread?
its actually ridiculous, nonstop hate people are so reactionary😭
Only player to ever shoot below 50% in a game, haven’t you heard?
Could do everything but fucking shoot again
Please stop chucking 3s. You’re becoming like Luka in that regard.
Way too many minutes for a man his size and how dependent they are on him offensively. Jonas was supposed to help with this but he’s borderline unplayable now
18 rebounds? Only? How do you get beat on the glass by a Minnesotan telephone pole
It’s 17 now, they took one away
Yeah that injury fucked his jump shot. Welp Jokic you had a great prime
smells like shit LOL
triple double cocaine horse
Got out rebounded by Chet too
That’s just cause chet da goat tho
In the clutch turns into a Joke
Yikes
His shot is gone.
SGA almost certainly will be the MVP, hopefully Jokic is the FMVP
Spurs gotta better chance at a ring honestly.
OKC in 5
genuinely lost the game for us
Keep that same energy for Jokic like y’all do for Luka
Oh look more stats in a losing effort. I thought he was supposed to help them when he returned?
People seem to ignore that he absolutely is one of the most physical and low key dirty guys in the league and act like he’s treated unfairly. Watch him closely and see all the after/before play bumps, elbows and shoves.
Great player but his PR is insane
He was missing some crazy shots he usually hits. I think we got in his head.
He’s been like that since he came back from the injury
yeah i have never seen that kind of anger on jokic’s face, jwill definitely irks him in a way no other player does
The Thunder defense is unreal, Jay Williams defends him extremely well but this unfortunately is a regular occurrence since he has been back from injury. Can’t make floaters, jump shots or floaters. The only improvement he has made recently is that he has stopped turning over the ball like crazy. He is still afraid to take on smaller players since he has been back
That’s why I want jokic to keep shooting it. People say it’s because of OKC’s defense when in fact Jokic has been horrible since he came back. a 17% field goal drop.
Ass
everything is back but his touch. he also just loves chucking 3s when he doesnt have it lol
Outplayed by sga once again
Yeah my guy has dropped in form…probably should rest longer tbh
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Got cooked on defense all night
Officially concerned about his wrist / knee. The wrist is clearly bugging him and he hasn’t wasn’t to bang down low since the knee got hurt.
Bro how are they saying he had 17 rebounds he had 18?!??
Triple double cocain horse
Gotta accept when the 3 ain’t dropping….
The big bricker
Idk that sealed the deal for the mvp to me. Outplayed by sga and lost to them. Dont think Cade is putting up good enough stats to be a legit threat. Back to back for SGA it is
He sold by taking too many 3s
Rough night, and he got ass checked by Dort
if he remembered how to shoot this one was over in the 3rd
If my grandma had wheels she’d be a bicycle.
Or a tricycle
If Shai or any of the Thunder players outside of McCain could shoot efficiently, it would be over before halftime
If he wasn’t dogshit they’d win wow what a concept
Or he just isn’t good
if my mom had balls, he’d be my dad.
Haha haha
obvious MVP right
MVP who?
Sorry, horse boy.
Genuinely can’t make a jump shot or a floater at the moment, disgusting basketball
fake demon
He is anti clutch this year
No one talking about Jokic almost having a quadruple-double though. 8 missed 3’s is rough lol
Flirting: 12⁄29; 0/3; 12⁄13 (41%)
Harassment: 9⁄25; 2⁄10; 3⁄5 (36%)
Flirting: Jokic 17 free throw attempts in 24 minutes played vs Clippers Harassment: Shai 26 free throw attempts in Double OT and 45 minutes played vs Pacers