D’lo of big men

nah. on the contrary, he likes to shoot and doesn’t pass often

Is there any air left in the ball when Luka is done

Lively was excellent at this

He doesn’t get the ball. It’s the lowest usage of his career. Do you watch Laker games?

What I mean with the style of play is that there’s always going to be some double teams and some open shooters. 1.7 is still small, but it’s almost twice as good. 0.9 is a warning sign.

Really is a bummer what happened to mark. The way he moved as a rookie was special for a guy his size.

Still higher!

Cause this is expected epm, mark Williams and Ayton’s actual EPM are higher than their expected.

I’m not a Suns fan. Just friends with one. He has quite a history of injuries. From what I understand he has been on restricted minutes.

But he is seen as a long term solution. Might be better to check with someone that watches him a bit more than me though.

Haven’t watched a lot of games in full but relative to Ayton, he’s been better getting offensive rebounds. He’s a better rebounder than Isho at 5 but team-play wise Isho contributes better despite having a less physical game. Looking at play-by-play Isho has better ON/OFF compared to Williams.

Guards and wings benefit the most from Ott’s system - and Isho’s fit with them allows better movement of the ball.

End of the day both split the available playing time at 5. Match-ups will dictate who gets more minutes.

He is playing well on the offensive end (he should arguably be getting way more touches) but he is getting outplayed by Ighodaro on the defensive end by a decent margin.

He’s been fine, he runs the floor hard every time and he’s a very good finisher with more finesse than you’d think. Unfortunately he’s not very good defensively and isn’t switchable really, Oso meanwhile is the opposite where he’s great defensively and below average offensively. Oso’s playmaking chops put him above Oso for overall play for the season in my opinion.

That early Spurs game had me overjoyed with him.

We fell for it too man, don’t beat yourself up

Youre literally on a thread that shows that ayton is also in fact untenable lmao

Hayes has been better than him over the past 2 months, but Ayton’s still a better player and more reliable in the playoffs.

Well it’s not if he isn’t enough and it’s pretty clear that won’t be on the team moving forward

He is a missed opportunity

My offseason comments about Ayton aged horrifically.

I was one of the last standing Ayton supporters in /r/suns but eventually it becomes clear that this dude is who he is.

Every so often you’ll get a monster game out of him to keep hope alive. It’s a toxic cycle.

He’s played hall of famers his entire career, too.

I mean it’s hard to find a great starting center with $8m.

But using a misleading expected stat to support their narrative is just embarrassing.

The teams have played 70% of the season already and you’re out here using predictive epm with only 30% of the reason remaining.

What should we give away MVP awards based on predictive stats instead of actual stats now?

GTFO man

paul reed would be awesome

Lakers took on a high-risk high-reward with Ayton just like Suns & Blazers did. What the 3 teams had seen is what will they entirely get out of him, unfortunately.

He’s had a few really good games. He’s a unique prospect with a lot of rare talents at his size, but he lacks almost any of the fundamental know-how for his position. He’s out of shape, unathletic, can’t defend at all, can’t shoot well enough for it to matter, can’t rebound. His handle needs work, but it’s really impressive for a big man, and his vision and offensive IQ is really impressive. He’s good at the things you can’t teach, and bad at all the things you can. He’ll take time.

Derik Queen is capable of flashes of genius that others simply can’t pull off, but conversely, he struggles with the basic, fundamental plays that most players handle with ease. Given his average height and wingspan, combined with his inconsistent motor and defensive mindset, it’s hard to imagine him ever becoming a solid defender. Right now, his absolute ceiling looks like a version of DeMarcus Cousins with a wingspan that’s 12cm shorter—and that’s only in a best-case scenario.

He’s just not very good right now, full stop. He’ll have one have every 10 games where he puts up a near triple double, but then he’ll have 9 straight games of 8 points 4 rebounds, poor shooting and lots of turnovers. He’s got talent, but he also seems like a bonehead. His defense is also so ass that they’ve been playing Deandre Jordan over him. Imo, despite his talent, he’s at risk of bouncing out of the league of he doesn’t get his shit together. He’s only like 20, though, and big men take time to develop, but a lot of the holes in his game (poor bball IQ, poor defense) aren’t things that tend to improve over time. He’ll be an interesting one to watch going forward because I honestly think he’s as likely to be an all star as he is to be a bench warmer. He’s a “project” for sure.

hes a good player but hes still very green. i think with time he could be really great

How is that relevant to this conversation?