I can’t believe no one is talking about this, Brunson drove on Keon Ellis, who successfully defended him without fouling. Brunson attempted a shot that hit the rim and then tipped back up by Mitchell Robinson, but a foul was already called during that time frame on Keon Ellis’s defense of Brunson.

Kenny calls a timeout and challenges. The Refs come back and say it’s a successful challenge, Keon Ellis did not touch Brunson…. and here’s where it gets funky… because it was not a foul, imminent possession considers it Mitchell Robinson’s ball, who tipped it in (correct me if i’m wrong on any of that).

I have never seen a successful challenge award the opposing team 2 points.

ExpressionAlone5204 | Thunder

209 | 8 hours ago

I’m confused just reading that

ejabno | Hornets

131 | 8 hours ago

Brunson drives on Keon

Brunson takes a shot

Keon gets called for a foul

The shot was tipped by Robinson

Cleveland challenges the foul

It was deemed no foul by Keon

However, the refs considered Robinson’s tip a valid possession, awarding New York the 2 points

LakeErieMonster88 | CLE

56 | 8 hours ago

It makes sense with the imminent possession ruling. Probably should have given Mitch Rob an and 1 lol

OverallGeneral7129 | Cavaliers

26 | 8 hours ago

Basically the play was Brunson fakes a shot and passes it to Robinson who makes a little floater. They waived it off because they said Keon Ellis fouled Brunson earlier and gave him free throws. The Cavs challenged it because Ellis got all ball from behind but because of imminent possession they ruled it as if the foul was never called and said Robinson scored

SpicyMustard34 | Cavaliers

7 | 8 hours ago

clarified some of the language to make it easier.

ExpressionAlone5204 | Thunder

2 | 8 hours ago

Ok so Mith just hit it in, like messing around?

SpicyMustard34 | Cavaliers

12 | 8 hours ago

he continued the play after the whistle by going up for the rebound and tipping it back up, which went in.

ExpressionAlone5204 | Thunder

4 | 7 hours ago

Ahh got it

Quadriporticus | DAL

143 | 8 hours ago

That’s hilarious. But also kind of a brainfart from the Cavs bench forgetting about imminent possession rule which is often a rebound. But in this case, a rebound tip-in.

DreTownblues | Celtics

79 | 7 hours ago

I don’t see how imminent possession counts for a made basket after the whistle is blown, it makes sense to award the Knicks the ball the basket doesn’t make sense

xman0444 | Spurs

18 | 7 hours ago

If it’s a tip without holding the ball it makes sense, it’s basically instantaneous.

teh_hasay | Cavaliers

21 | 6 hours ago

So how would they have ruled it if the tip shot didn’t go in? No imminent possession and a jump ball? Because that doesn’t really feel right either.

TangerineChicken | Mavericks

8 | 5 hours ago

I would say yes. If there had not been a whistle, he would’ve tried to rip it anyway. If he had missed in the no-whistle scenario, it would’ve just been a live ball. It’s not perfect but I don’t think you award possession based off an attempted tip in that misses

JimmyKanine

3 | 5 hours ago

If a Cav player would’ve grabbed the rebound off the missed tip then it’s Cavs ball, otherwise it’s a jump ball.

teh_hasay | Cavaliers

3 | 3 hours ago

That’s quite a lot of play after the whistle at that point. Well beyond the spirit of the imminent possession rule imo.

Clear-Mycologist3378

58 | 8 hours ago

Don’t worry OP, I understood what you meant.

itsahmemario | Knicks

22 | 7 hours ago

Challenged succeeded failfully

toooskies | Cavaliers

11 | 6 hours ago

Just looked back and despite calling the foul on Ellis with Brunson having the ball, the whistle didn’t blow until Robinson was tipping the ball. Shots that go up as the whistle blows are ruled as valid, although the rule seems written to be talking about the shooter getting fouled and not the next guy who has the ball.

So they made the wrong call, and they also made it late. Because of technicalities in the rule book, they ended up with the by-the-book technically correct ruling.

Joezepey | Knicks

5 | 8 hours ago

Makes sense tho. If you check for immediate possession after the whistle and a player tips the ball right after the whistle, if the refs hadnt blown the whistle, the basket was going to go in.

Idk if ive seen it before, but something for coaches to consider in the future

floridabeach9

-3 | 5 hours ago

show me the rule that says a bucket can be considered possession. the bucket cant possess the fkn ball.

it literally doesnt make sense.

imminent possession was going to robinson, the possession wasnt GOING TO THE BUCKET, the bucket cant possess the fkn ball

eddkov | Trail Blazers

3 | 4 hours ago

Its about what happens in the “immediate aftermath” of the play.

In the “immediate aftermath” the ball went in from a tip. The foul was called before that which would have nullified the basket since it was a tip in and not an and-one. If Brunson had just made the shot then the challenge would have resulted in either an and-one or only two points.

Because the immediate aftermath was the tip in and no team had possession, there isn’t really anything else that you have to go by. Since the challenge was successful it means that the whistle shouldn’t have been blown which clearly would have resulted in a tip in.

NeptrAboveAll | HOU

1 | 26 minutes ago

Play to the whistle and sometimes even past it

WemVP

7 | 5 hours ago

If being fouled in the air going for an alley oop is not a shooting foul (see Wemby dunking in Draymonds mouth) then this should’ve just been Knicks ball

Wonderwhatsnext4 | Timberwolves

3 | 7 hours ago

So did imminent possession belong to the hoop?

Then-Bad1939

3 | 7 hours ago

nba challenges make nfl challenges look black and white

zedrix_ | Bulls

2 | 4 hours ago

This is the “continuation” part of the rule book we missed

scarrylary | CLE

1 | 7 hours ago

My question is if Dean had just hacked the shit out of Robinson to prevent the shot attempt, would they have called a shooting foul? If yes then why no and 1?

iCE_P0W3R | Thunder

1 | 3 hours ago

What’s funny to me about this is that it was probably the right call too!

I_Set_3_Alarms | Celtics

1 | 3 hours ago

Wild. Def should just be Cavs ball at the worst

popopo1985

1 | 3 hours ago

Operation was successful but the patient died

Niceguydan8

-7 | 7 hours ago

I can’t believe no one is talking about this,

Why? If you understand what was challenged and the pretty simple explanation they gave after the review, it makes perfect sense.

You know how sometimes they overturn a call and call a jump ball because there was no imminent possession? Or how they overturn a call and give it to the team that had the ball immediately after the whistle blew?

This is no different than that.

toooskies | Cavaliers

6 | 7 hours ago

Yes, but you’re supposed to award possession of the ball, not award points as if the whistle was never blown. Whistles affect the other players.

ColoradoMenace24

-12 | 8 hours ago

This rule was implemented years ago, refs are allowed to check for extra fouls during replays

SpicyMustard34 | Cavaliers

11 | 8 hours ago

this isn’t checking for additional fouls, they ruled that Keon Ellis didn’t foul Brunson and so Robinson’s tip in off of Brunson’s missed shot is good for 2 points.

livefreeordont | 76ers

3 | 8 hours ago

I believe I’ve seen imminent possession awarding a bucket but it was on a literal tip dunk or similar. This was Robinson catching it kind of maneuvering to the side and laying it up off the glass iirc. Now if he instead this was at the 3 point line and they made a 3 I don’t think it would have counted

SpicyMustard34 | Cavaliers

5 | 8 hours ago

this is a first for my eyes. i don’t disagree with it, it’s just crazy.

Niceguydan8

1 | 7 hours ago

It’s just a slightly different application of the same rule they’ve been using for a couple years at least.

ColoradoMenace24

-2 | 8 hours ago

Should’ve phrased that better for the topic, refs are allowed to make decisions beyond what’s being challenged

The Cleveland Cavaliers just had a successful challenge that awarded the New York Knicks 2 points.