Lucky13200 | Celtics

404 | 9 hours ago

Feels like every time Herro is starting to figure things out he gets hurt. Does feel like he makes more sense as a 6th man. Just not sure what that is worth in the NBA now.

Ok-Entertainer9968

171 | 8 hours ago

Considering a good 6th man is a starter on most other teams….

MddlingAges | Knicks

139 | 8 hours ago

6th man on this Heat team is a rough look. They’re in eighth place in the East, which is currently lacking Haliburton, Tatum, Giannis, Franz, most of the Pacers, AD.

Herro was a starter on a playoff team and he’s only 26.

Barracuda374

48 | 4 hours ago

Herro has missed 45 games this season.

CommissionIcy9909 | Pistons

22 | 6 hours ago

Ya this is what makes it look ugly. Great attitude to have on his part. He just hasn’t been able to take that next leap.

F______________F | Heat

94 | 6 hours ago

He’s been hurt basically all year, when he’s actually played he’s been great. I don’t think it’s fair to say he couldn’t take the leap when he was an All-Star last year and has only been in 13 games this year… He’s coming off the bench due to the injuries, not because he’s declined as a player. He’s still averaging the second most points of his career on the fewest minutes per game other than his first 2 seasons (where he averaged way fewer points).

CommissionIcy9909 | Pistons

20 | 6 hours ago

Ah gotcha. That makes more sense.

F______________F | Heat

13 | 5 hours ago

It definitely could be the case where he peaked last season and he isn’t gonna get much better, but I think that’s a next few seasons question assuming he gets back onto the court more.

Cartman55125 | Heat

14 | 5 hours ago

If last year was his peak, I think that’s fine. Whether he can stay healthy and maintain that peak is the question.

F______________F | Heat

2 | 4 hours ago

Oh yeah I totally agree, I was just addressing the “never took the leap” part. If that’s his peak I think he’s a great 3rd option for sure

QuantumStew

3 | 3 hours ago

Whenever I rarely see him play he looks good. I can see he’s a great shooter, a bit streaky? What’s he like with playmaking and defence? No clue myself.

F______________F | Heat

8 | 3 hours ago

This season is a little hard to judge because it’s such a small sample size

He’s very streaky from 3, shooting his lowest career percentage at 36% but it’s hard to get in rhythm with so few games. He’s gotten way better at driving though, he takes a lot of short range shots and layups and his overall FG% is actually the highest it’s ever been at 49.5% (career avg is 44.9%). Hes over 90% for FTs. His TS% is basically exactly the same as last year at 60.4% and his career avg is 57% so it’s gotten a bit better.

He’s not a bad creator, his assists per game were going up every single year until this year where it dropped from 5.5 to 3, but it’s a completely new offense they’re running and he hasn’t really had the games to integrate into it. He also had to play PG more out of desperation last year, but Mitchell, Jakucionis, Dru Smith are handling it this year so I’m sure that has an effect.

He’s improved as a defender and always puts in effort, but he’s just never going to be a great defender. He gets hunted a lot because of his size and it’s just the nature of who he is. It’s definitely the weakest part of his game, but he puts in the effort at least so it is what it is.

Ice_Dragon3444 | Heat

2 | 2 hours ago

Feels so refreshing to see an objective take on Herro r/heat is stuck in both extremes.

F______________F | Heat

1 | 28 minutes ago

I’ve actually left every team specific sub I was a part of. It’s exhausting how negative they can be and I really just got tired of it. I watch sports for entertainment, not to whine about every little thing!

MadPatagonian | Heat

2 | an hour ago

It’s strange cuz he can give you 25-30 on any given night. And will have a handful of games in the mid to high 30s.

He just cannot be the focal point for the defense to focus on, like he’s been the last few playoffs without Jimmy. He’s too limited physically. But he would be an incredible addition to any contender who already has “the guy”.

He just can’t be the guy.

Third option on a championship team to me is the most realistic. Problem is, we’ve never really had 1, 2, and 3 together for a playoff run.

He got hurt in 2022 and 2023 for those runs, and Jimmy got hurt in 2024, which killed whatever they theoretically could’ve done. Herro and the Heat proceeded to get smoked by Boston.

Last year, same thing basically. Just demolished by the Cavs after a torrential year with Jimmy drama and bad chemistry.

Bubble he was a rookie. I’m not counting that.

alexdoo

0 | an hour ago

I make fun of all my heat friends because I keep reminding them Riley shat the bed by holding onto Herro after the 2020 Finals. Granted I see why many GMs would choose the “let’s see how he develops” given his age and performance, but the heat have always been a “win now” team so I can’t fathom how they couldn’t make a trade for a stud to pair with Jimmy B in his prime.

Now the guy is saving face about being ok with his role as a 6th man.

ExceptForFleegle | Celtics

1 | an hour ago

Herro was a starter on a playoff team

They’ve gone 4-11 in the playoff games he started and 22-13 in the ones where he came off the bench.

Also, Mario Chalmers was a starter on a playoff team. So was Smush Parker. It’s not some amazing achievement.

RxJax | Heat

1 | an hour ago

As cliche as it is, I do think we’re a lot better than our record shows. We’ve had a lot of injuries & travel, having already played 26 games against western teams so far this year, we only have 1 more away game in the west at all. Spo’s house burnt down, Rozier is handicapping our cap & roster spot, Herro has missed most of the year and we’re still only 0.5 games out of 6th.

Lucky13200 | Celtics

20 | 8 hours ago

The market been tough on score first guards that are not elite. Maybe 18-25 million a year. Feel like this going to get ugly next year. Contract year and team has a way different value than the player. Not even sure there exists a trade that does not bring back negative value. Do think both Herro and the Heat would be better off with a fresh start.

efshoemaker | Celtics

24 | 8 hours ago

market been tough

maybe 18-24 million a year

Man I remember when KG getting 21 million was enough to cause a lockout to get salaries under control. It’s crazy how much salaries have exploded the past decade (I know KG was before that but things held pretty steady during the 00s).

CarVegetable

23 | 7 hours ago

Garnett was paid 14mm in 1999, which was 46.6% of cap. Herro is only making 20% of the cap this year.

So yeah the raw numbers are way off but the only possible way to conceptualize it is by % of cap.

In 2004 Garnett made 28 million, which was good for 63% of the cap, which is hilarious.

efshoemaker | Celtics

5 | 6 hours ago

Oh yeah I fully understand all that it’s just wild how fast the salary cap has exploded.

KG’s 2004 deal would be almost $100,000,000 a season if someone got that percentage of the cap today.

Bucketsdntlie | Cavaliers

3 | 6 hours ago

I was probably at peak NBA fandom when Kyrie signed the max rookie extension with the Cavs, 5 years/$100M, in like 2015ish. ~10 years later and that kind of money is being given to 7th man defensive stoppers lol.

youblewwit

1 | 3 hours ago

We will actually get to see in real time what these type of guards will get in this current market. Heat will have their choice between Herro and Powell on 1) who to pay and 2) what to pay.

Talentagentfriend

-4 | 7 hours ago

players also run more when they’re running around screens to get open. That’s one of the reasons why so many shooters don’t defend. They spend a lot of time trying to get open off of screens so they aren’t going to get back on defense because their energy use on offense.

a_moniker | Hornets

6 | 7 hours ago

Don’t think that’s the reason. Humans have a really high ceiling as distance runners. Curry and Kon (leads the league in distance covered this season) are two guys who can run for days on offense and still have energy to try on defense. Basically any human can learn to run super long distances with training. It isn’t something that requires athletic traits.

The real reason a lot of pure shooters struggle on defense is that NBA defense requires a lot of size or athleticism. The great defenders in the league mostly can’t shoot because they had the athleticism to dominate the game without it, at least until they got to the NBA. The opposite is also true. Guys like Curry, Herro, Dame, Duncan, and Kon don’t have the athleticism or size to make it into the league if they weren’t elite shooters. They just don’t have the measurable’s to be able to play a different style on offense or be lockdown defenders.

Talentagentfriend

1 | 6 hours ago

You’re proving my point though. The reason why Curry and Kon can run for days is because they have to be in shape to run off screens and avoid fatigue.

GregEgg4President | Wizards

24 | 8 hours ago

He’s an absolutely elite 6th man (obviously, when healthy - and that’s doing some heavy lifting). If he’s accepting the role I think it’s a healthy way for him to think and contribute as he gets back into the swing of things.

So is he worth all-star money that he earned by being an all-star? No, not right now. Can he get there again? I don’t see why not.

JoeFalcone26 | Cavaliers

-8 | 7 hours ago

He’s a better Levert. He just deserves a bit more than him and I’d say it’s a fair contract.

CrEdLover

11 | 7 hours ago

Levert is an absurd comparison. He’s an all-star talent

JoeFalcone26 | Cavaliers

1 | an hour ago

He had a 24 5 and 5 all star season and barely made it. I like Herro, he’s better than Levert.

But their per 36 over the past 5 years is really not crazy different. Herro just has the slightly more efficient shot and more usage.

Ice_Dragon3444 | Heat

0 | 2 hours ago

You scream casual with that take

JoeFalcone26 | Cavaliers

1 | an hour ago

Per-36 over the last 5 years says otherwise. Similar efficiency (Herro slightly better). Similar non scoring and FT stats.

Yes Herro has more volume, usage, and a slightly more efficient shot. It’s not that far off of a comparison though in reality. Besides the way in which they are used.

I understand Herro is better but it’s truly marginal if they had the same level of opportunity.

EvenIfIdidIDont | Nets

15 | 8 hours ago

He is a perfect example of a kid that is older than his age. He has a ton of miles on his legs from playing so much AAU.

Gandalf_from_3 | Celtics

3 | 7 hours ago

Herro is a 6th man on a good team. He should be starting on an 8th seed.

Miami has had kind of shit roster construction. Being stacked with guys 6’3” - 6’5” isnt winning you shit.

clear831 | Heat

2 | 4 hours ago

He wont be coming off the bench for long for the Heat, in his 2nd game (it was a b2b) the 2nd half you could tell fatigue was hitting his legs hard. Once he gets his legs back under him he will be starting again.

Ice_Dragon3444 | Heat

0 | 2 hours ago

Well we are the 4th best defense so it seems it’s not so bad we only need to figure out the offense and having both Norm and Herro could be the key.

tlj2494 | Celtics

3 | 4 hours ago

Look at the Celtics with the 6th man role the last few years. Being a starter is more of an ego thing. Especially if you finish the games. Having someone to guide your second unit is pretty damn valuable. It must be a big adjustment when you have been a guaranteed starter since middle school but teams are definitely moving towards non traditional lineup arrangements. I think a lot of teams find this to be valuable.

Plus if I’m the Heat I want more than a couple games before popping him into a starting role

KarJenSt | Lakers

174 | 9 hours ago

He already won 6th man of the year so obviously he knows how to do it

cleo22270 | Heat

58 | 9 hours ago

He knows how to, but he’s been adamant about not doing it for the past few years.

KarJenSt | Lakers

39 | 9 hours ago

He has been injured all season long. It makes sense to come off the bench for some time

cleo22270 | Heat

12 | 9 hours ago

I guess the question is if he’s open to being a sixth man when he’s healthy, like earlier in his career.

DalliLlama | Heat

8 | 8 hours ago

No because more than likely ¹⁄₂ spots opens up between Norm/Wiggins during the offseason. If Herro didn’t get hurt Spo would be starting him, whether it worked or not. Spo is amazing, but he’s also stubborn.

Clever_Laziness | Heat

1 | an hour ago

Has he been adamant about not doing it? The only comments I’ve seen about it from him is being okay with whatever coach Spo wants.

Imzarth | Heat

1 | an hour ago

What the fuck do you know about that lmao?

Show me one instance of Spo wanting him to come off the bench and him actively shutting that idea down

Past few years?

Tell me who did you want to to start over Herro last year? Scary Terrorist and Josh Richardson? So that Herro can come off the bench? fucking LMAO

Dumb ass take my guy

TatumBrownWhite | Celtics

63 | 7 hours ago

He’s such a weird player, he’s obviously a very good offensive player, but the Heat just seem to play so much better without him.

Made the Finals in 2023 without him, this year they are +4 with him off, -2.6 with him on, for his entire career they are slightly better with him off the court than on.

They already have essentially a better player in the same exact mold and role in Powell.

mind-blowin | Pistons

31 | 6 hours ago

Well said he is one of the most confusing players of all time. They have had their most success largely without him. They have refused to ever move him. At times he seems to finally figure it out and then a bizarre injury happens and then rinse and repeat.

StraightShootahh | Nets

4 | 4 hours ago

Offensive impact goes beyond PRA.

GrogRhodes | Heat

2 | 4 hours ago

He needs to play pg with his physical limitations in a non small lineup. But that’s not Spo Mo.

Mellothewise | MIA

2 | 2 hours ago

He’s fun to watch but I do wish the Heat had traded him when his value was at a higher peak.

I gather we’re going to let him test the market after next season.

madridista521 | Lakers

0 | 3 hours ago

Just like the Celtics are way better this year when Brown doesn’t play?

TatumBrownWhite | Celtics

1 | 3 hours ago

Not really the same thing, Celtics are still winning the minutes where JB plays, they are just destroying teams with DWhite + and our bench mob when he sits.

ObviousAnswerGuy | NYK

1 | 44 minutes ago

this year they are +4 with him off, -2.6 with him on,

that’s really not too big a swing tbh. and how many of those games was he starting vs. coming off the bench? Miami is just above .500 too.

DeniAvdijaMVP

28 | 7 hours ago

Herro and a couple late 1sts for Wemby?

tullbabes | Spurs

16 | 6 hours ago

Yes please.

the KKK

Balla_Calla | Heat

2 | 3 hours ago

Throw in castle too?

fuzzywuzzypete

30 | 6 hours ago

This sub loves to ding Herro. He’s starter material on basically every team. Even as a 6th man he’ll still be getting starter minutes & probably closing games so it doesnt really matter. The problem is the Heat’s team just isnt that good. Their best player his entire career cant score which puts a load on secondary players like Herro to carry the load. If he was your 3rd best offensive player you’d be happy

pimpron18 | IND

10 | 4 hours ago

+20 Team Chemistry

PassMeTheBackwood | Knicks

5 | 8 hours ago

Bro’s telling the contenders he’s cool with coming off the bench

kyleyle | Raptors

2 | 3 hours ago

I just realized Herro has been absent from all LA2028 discussions. What gives?

borkbubble | Rockets

1 | 44 minutes ago

He’s played 13 games lol

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BattleFresh003

27 | 9 hours ago

Hey, it’s not his fault that the Hear offered that contract, and I may be overestimating him but these comments show a good level of maturity in assessing his situation and reacting to it. A lot of high-paid players would pout, ruin the vibes of the team, and generally make a bad situation worse. Instead, he’s giving his teammates their props and accepting the role the coach asked him to fill.

I didn’t read the whole article so if he says anything that makes me change my mind, by all means I want to hear it, but based on this quote alone I commend him for being a grown up about this.

Icy_Steak8987 | NBA

2 | 7 hours ago

That’s what I like about Herro. His name’s been involved many trade talks over the years but he takes it all in stride and just continues to work on his game.

Muted_Dog7317 | Heat

13 | 8 hours ago

He started like 195 out of the last 200 games and led the team in minutes per game 2 out of the last 3 years. He’s not been healthy this season and is coming off another injury so Spo is temporarily putting him in a minutes reduced bench role as he ramps back up.

07bot4life | Yacht Club

1 | 2 hours ago

This shows the buy in that Spo and the Heat have.

AppreciateMeNow

1 | 26 minutes ago

As long as he get his money and get to stay in the city he probably truly doesn’t care.

agnelortiz

0 | 6 hours ago

With him being so injury prone he should stay on the bench ROS

happydayzetr

0 | 2 hours ago

Translation- I get paid a lot to hoop I don’t care

Majestic_Reindeer439

-3 | 6 hours ago

He’s totally the main guy for a Giannis package /s

EntertainmentFit3288 | Clippers

-3 | 5 hours ago

“I already got my bag. I’m good”

BMX1210

-4 | 7 hours ago

Yeah great.

wXy_5GHz

-6 | 4 hours ago

That’s right, Tyler. Know your damn role and shut your mouth! 😆

TrashAssRedditAdmins | NBA

2 | 2 hours ago

Cringe

wXy_5GHz

-3 | 2 hours ago

Your username is cringe. 🤣

Fun_Mind1494

-11 | 8 hours ago

He’s been in the League long enough to know how to say the right things. Let’s see if his play and attitude back up these words in the long-term. He is a 6th man; he has shown he’s not worth the squeeze as a starter.

1nTheNick0fTime | Lakers

-10 | 5 hours ago

Glad people are starting to see how overrated this guy is. He’s a douche too lol

Tyler Herro: “I’m coming off the bench right now and it doesn’t really feel like I’m out of place because we got guys that can start and I’m comfortable in my role…”