All respect to Jaylen Brown, he’s having a hell of a season, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Celtics came out of the East with Tatum back. I’m just saying he ain’t touching MVP

In the playoffs Tatum will give you 40 one night and in the next game he’ll be bricking shots and turning it over. He’s on and off.

JB can also give you 40, but also lose the ball a lot and make silly mistakes.

They’re not terribly consistent after the regular season, but they do work hard and one of them picks up the slack when the other is having a stinker.

Tatum is the better team defender and is more versatile, brown is the better on ball defender

They’re yin and Yang in that regards. Offensively though I still think Tatum at 100% clears brown . I think brown has higher floors scoring wise but Tatum usually has higher ceilings and playmaking wise Tatum was getting to a point where it was a meme at how many almost triple doubles he was getting because he was off by 1 or 2 assists

I think brown rn is like 85-90% ish of pre injury Tatum.

Ok, but you say 100% healthy Tatum. He’s not gonna come back at that level from the achilles tear and truthfully might not ever see that level of play at game speed again. Even if he came back even stronger than before and they force feed him the ball (see gordon Hayward’s Celtics return) it takes time to trust your leg again on sharp slants cuts ect. Brown is probably Celtics clear best player for the next few years

Tatum’s coming back from an Achilles who knows how good he is gonna be the next few years

Not sure that’s been true this season.

Lol, no he is not

He is absolutely not.

He’s a better defender than Cade used to be. Cade is defending at an all-defense level this year.

I’ll take Cade all day long.

But Cade does more offensively and they’re both 2 way guys. If he’s better than Wemby on offense, does it make up for the huge gap on defense? If we decide they qualify as “2way”, it should be the totality of their impact.

Cade is obviously a better defender if you follow the league, though. No one who watches games is acting like Brown has been some really good defender.

That’s exactly how I feel as a Celtics fan. I don’t think Brown is as good as he thinks he is, but I like him with an attitude and want him to think he’s the best. It isn’t an absurd position and it’s working for him.

Neither does brown. That’s whites job

I mean Brown’s matchup difficulty declined back to average this season as he took on more offensive responsibility.

He’s not guarding the best player on the other team every night.

I mean, defensive schemes nowadays rarely have those matchups no? Usually it’s all positional matchups, not like the 90s and early 2000s where your best defender is on the best player, cause teams identify mismatches more frequently. I’d say the only star to star matchups we have in the league right now is the center position with wemby, jokic, embiid and sometimes AD. Plus okc doesn’t really have that kind of defense if you look at it, most good teams don’t do it cause it’s very inefficient compared to hunting advantages

Is Jaylen Brown taking the toughest match ups?

This is such a dumb argument, like saying MJ wasn’t a good defender because Pippen and Rodman took the toughest matchups. JB doesn’t have Shai’s (or Luka, Cade, Jokic,etc) playmaking load so he can afford to do more defensively.

brown is a more willing defender and when you’re talking about guys with similar size, athleticism, and wingspan, that’s going to be one of the main factors

SGA’s team is also the same if not better than their championship team last year while tatum is still out for the c’s. can’t believe i’m defending a boston team and fucking jaylen black israelite brown, but SGA doesn’t get credit for having the potential to be as good a defender as brown if he isn’t actually bringing it every night

SGA is a better offensive player, but you won’t catch me having fun watching ball stopping foul baiters unless they have a massive beard and love texas strippers

I’d agree with this take. SGA is best as a help defender. He plays passing lanes really well and has the length to contest shots. He doesnt have the strength to battle in the post. But in OKCs defensive scheme Shai is an excellent cog.

SGA is a finesse player. JB is a power player. That shows in their offense and defense.

That’s why Jaylen Brown isn’t the GOAT

Jaylen brown is loudly pro black and thats enough for people to call him a black supremacist which pisses off white redditors. Add on the rumors of him being anti-vax and him being generally intelligent otherwise means hes enemy number 1

Nepotism isn’t just about your parents lol

Nepo is littlerally anyone getting a job based on relation( friendship, family or even “owing one”).

If your boss’ pool boy/ landscape/ homeless guy he sees, loan shark’s nephew gets the job and clearly can’t back it, it’s still nepotism.

Nepo siblings.

Not only that, but Austin Rivers was a legitimately good rotational player even on teams that his dad didn’t coach, yes including the Rockets. Nepotism may have helped him, but he deserved to be in the league.

Players like Giannis’ brothers, Dame’s cousin, and Bronny don’t have the talent to be in the league and wouldn’t have been on rosters without the nepotism.

IDK I can see picking Cade or Jaylen 2nd over someone like Jokic, but SGA is still clearly the MVP this season to me. The only ones I could see getting votes over SGA are Jokic because he’s Jokic, and Cade because voters may be fatigued from voting for the other two.

If he gets DQ’d then this voting season will be a bloodbath but otherwise I can’t imagine him losing or it even being a close race.

100% agree.
Not trying to take any shine away from JB, Cade, Wemby or anyone else, but SGA is 2nd in scoring and his scoring efficiency look like video game numbers. He’s leading the league in +/- by like 250; his offensive impact is unheard of.

It doesn’t make sense but it is a thing for whatever reason