Ty Lue says the Los Angeles Lakers were foul baiting the whole game
The hypocrisy of every one around the NBA about foul baiting is starting to really be an even bigger problem then the actual foul baiting (which btw in itself is a bigger problem then tanking). Every freaking game everyone is crying about the refs
Every one does “but not my team, we’re just innocent victims” yes Ty explain to us, tell us about foul baiting after coaching Harden for 3 years and now that you are coaching Ben Mathurin
Do players ever affect the outcome of the game or do refs always decide who wins? /s
The way some talk on this sub it’s all refball all the time.
It’s the refs and 3pts variance, it’s the only reason games are lost or won
Home court advantage still helps and not just because calls often favor the home team.
The Warriors have never lost a fairly officiated game according to their fans
What I’ve heard over the years:
Those free throws by Jimmy Butler are ethical and he’s just a smart player! We’re getting what we deserve after all the years with Steph getting hacked! Draymond’s just playing hard.
It’s ok that the players are foul baiters, but no need to deny reality that hard.
Ehhh most dubs fans are happy to have our own grifter finally, we know Jimmy is in that category.
I love this new trend of trying to virtue signal what order of significance all these problems are. Foul baiting, tanking, gambling…no don’t think foul baiting is nearly as big of a problem as tanking.
Yeah I would much rather watch my team play a competitive game vs some floppers than watch G league quality for more than half a season
“Virtue signal” seems a bit dramatic here especially since you finished your reply by doing the same thing they did. Looks like you just have differing opinions.
Nah it feels right, lecturing us about what the “real” problem is.
Foul baiting is impacting the most important games of the season, I can live with not watching 7⁄8 teams after february
I mean tbh foul baiting is in some ways a larger issue than tanking.
Tanking affects a handful of teams across the season.
Foul baiting affects potentially every team during every game each season.
Especially in this game, before Mathurin got fouled out, he got 14 free throw than 19 of the Lakers.
This soundbite literally feels like controlled opposition. There’s a legitimate gripe to LAL gapping the league in Free Throw differential for the entire 2020’s. Yet Reddit’s nightly response is either SGA clips or a snippet like this on the rare night when the interviewee is a raging hypocrite and has no leg to stand on
“The nightly response is just people responding with actual evidence that contradicts my narrative”
Actual evidence is Lakers leading the league in free throw differential for most of 2020’s?
Mathurin had like 50 FTAs last night what’s Lue talking about.
Everyone can be right.
Eh, I see it as being similar to Popovich always complaining about the three pointer ruining the geometry of basketball while coaching a team that took threes. You play the game with the rules the refs are going to enforce whether or not you like them. Lu would have been a bad coach to not leverage Harden and Mathurin’s strengths but he can still want a league that rewards foul baiting less.
Easy. Harden no longer foul baits at the rate he does back in the day. And if he does get to the line there’s actual physical contact. Mathurin gets to the line and gets physical contact. You have clowns like LeBron and Jokic flying around at the slightest touch while SGA, Reaves and Luka get no contact and the refs call foul. Agreed the bigger problem is the refs not being consistent and favoring teams. They don’t even enforce flop rules.
I fucking hate that on almost every play Luka, Reaves &/or LeBron are crying! I even hated when Kobe did that shit & he’s my fav!
I’m with you man. Luka is a spoiled brat
TBH Mathurin doesn’t foul bait. He legit drives to the basket whether it’s the right or wrong play, no matter how many players are in there.
I think there’s foul baiting, like seeing someone’s hands down and moving the basketball into someone’s hands, there’s flopping, moving in jerky jerky movements or falling at the least bit of contact, and there’s getting fouled. Mathurin gets fouled. He drives like a lot at the rim. Sometimes into crowds of 3 or more players.
Mathurin is often more concerned with creating contact then with finishing a shot, and this is not a criticism even, the rules currently encourage that, but acting like some foul baiter are actually better then other because somehow trying to create contact is “less” bad then flopping is dumb to me
Mathurin is often more concerned with creating contact then with finishing a shot
This isn’t true at all lol
That’s not foul baiting though…what Mathurin does is way better than the shameless acting and flopping others do, tf?
Creating contact with the intention of drawing a foul is foul baiting. You are baiting the defender to foul, that’s what the term means.
No it’s not. That’s like saying Giannis’s entire play style is foul baiting…no it’s playing physical and making it hard for defenders to defend you with it fouling.
Foul baiting is all that head flailing, yelling, falling to the floor, sweeping your arms unnaturally underneath defenders arms etc…driving and being more athletic and strong than your defender is not the same.
I disagree completely. You give him too much credit. He wants to drive into players and finish through contact. He doesn’t have the offensive awareness or tact vets have of doing these things.
Clippers fan? Why did he get more free throws?
No, I’m not a Clippers fan
So foul baiting? Driving into players trying to get fouled lol
He’s not driving in to get fouls, he’s driving to get to the rim. He doesn’t have that type of offensive awareness. Think of Corey Maggety.
But still driving and getting hoping to get fouled lol In anyway you put it. He’s foul baiting lol
Why do you believe he hopes to get fouled?
He hopes to find the rim.
You act like he’s using a bunch of movements to draw defenders into him when he does it.
And your saying that Luka n lakers don’t?
I honestly have watched so little this year TBH. But guys get trained on techniques to draw fouls, Drew Hanlen shows some of these if you ever care to check them out. That’s trying to draw fouls, driving isn’t trying to draw fouls it’s just driving.
Mind you, Mathurin had the most free throws in the game with 14, lol
Mathurin constantly attacks the rim and play physical af.
Having a lot of FTA doesn’t mean you’re foul baiting.
The lakers are going downhill , quit your bullshit
Lmao yeah pump faking the jump shot 3 times than flailing and getting the call was definitely them going downhill
You pump fake to get the guy out of position so you can drive. Do you know basketball?
I agree. But when you’re spamming it to no avail so you just lean into the defender and throw a shot up, that’s foul baiting. Everyone does it, hell Norman Powell is great at it lol but the lakers get the call more often than anyone, especially during crunch time.
Two issues with that.
Don’t act dumb you kno luka n ar drive just to pump fake 3 times and jump into defenders
I know a Thunder fan isn’t talking about pump-fakes, your guy does that shit all the time
Lol typical Reddit tu quoque. Whether my guy does it or not doesn’t address the point. Is the argument true or false?
No. If you’ve ever watched AR you’ll see him drive to the rim quite a lot in fact, and the reason Luka pump-fakes so much is because there is always 2 or 3 guys on him every-time he drives into the paint. It’s very easy to get a foul when there is so much contact
I don’t agree, but if that’s what you see I’ll let you believe that. I just don’t get why the first reaction was defensive if the claim is they don’t.
He was blatantly foulbaiting lmao
Mathurin does the exact same thing yall antagonize SGA for.
He pushes off more than SGA id say lol
Mathurin can’t even create separation properly that’s why he gotta make those tough finishes, what do you mean push off?
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about lol
Some of the fouls he got weren’t even fouls but the lakers were baiting ridiculous 🤣
You don’t understand what foul baiting is than? Getting to the line doesn’t mean you’re foul baiting. Flopping like fishes and forcing contact that isn’t there is foul baiting.
Every, and i mean every, mathurin and 1 this game was an offensive foul lol
Going crazy about whether I understood the rules because every drive he’s pushing off with his left to clear space and always gets the call even with minimal body contact.
So Mathurin that game?
You can just say you didn’t watch the game bro
You don’t know ball, dawg.
Funny enough clippers had more ft. Maybe they lost because of half less 3pt made? 🤔
i mean their best player left the game early and their best remaining piece fouling out in a 3 point game. thats why they lost. It came down to one shot by Nic Batum.
John Collins also got injured
it’s the equivalent of Lebron, Luka and Reaves all going down mid game and being like “don’t worry guys, DominAyton will win us this game”
Have we heard if it’s a concussion?
If they say it wasn’t a concussion then somebody is lying. That was a brutal head bump.
There was a play where ayton played perfect defense and had almost no contact. Foul called. Didnt challenge to save it for later. Clips were absolutely playing tough D. Nothing out of the ordinary.
He left 4 min early lmao
In a game that went to the last shot. Why would you want your best player on the court at the end of a close game?
Not all fouls are made the same, I don’t know what people don’t get about this. Like Luka gets a soft arm on his hip and falls on the ground. Then you drive and get a call.
Scroll a little on the sub theres a post you should see. Luka is a weird one. He gets hacked like crazy in the most blatant ways and gets no whistle, but when he exaggerates contact he gets the call. Theres that post tofay of dunn going straight downward hack on his forearm twice in a row 5 feet from the ref with a clear view directly at the play and it goes uncalled.
I really don’t get why y’all are incapable of thinking anything about free throws besides the number each team got
It isn’t at all impossible for the foul baiting team to have fewer free throws
I mean we were also capable of seeing how many fouls Kris Dunn got away with
Lmao yet anytime the Lakers finish a game with more FTA y’all are like “jUsT LoOk aT tHe nUmBeRs”
That would completely contradict the first part of my comment, so no, I wouldn’t say that. That makes zero sense.
Another thing I really don’t get, how TF do so many of you read so much on Reddit and still end up illiterate
Funny how when the Lakers get more FTs by the hundreds than anyone else for years it doesn’t mean anything but then Lakers fans say this shit every time they don’t get more fts than the other team in those rare games
It wouldn’t mean anything, but the coach pointed out something that didn’t have much with the lakers win. Lakers were lucky threes were falling in, and clippers lost like 3 best players. And clippers were b2b, already behind 16 points and made it back, like 3 times… So much to talk about than foul biting that wasn’t even that much present in this game…
So excuses on the clipper side?
There’s always excuses from the Clippers side.
Every supposedly “this will be our winning season” for them ends with an excuse.
Remember when they decided to not win in 2020 because the bubble didn’t count?
The media even made excuses for them during that choke job.
So you didn’t see our starting power forward get a concussion or Kawhi leave a single digit game with 5+ mins left? Or you’re being obtuse on purpose to fake prove points?
Me when I can’t read
Dunn straight up hacks and grabs all game.
Bro fouled Luka 3 times in 1 possession no call 😂
If Dunn wasn’t able to get away with hacking opponents he wouldn’t be in the NBA.
This is becoming super annoying now. Everytime a foul is called people want to make it about the player who got fouled fault
Perhaps he should have a conversation with Mathurin
It’s just hypocrisy. Players want to win so they try and draw fouls. Every player does it
Doncic + Reaves + Smart + Lebron is nasty business and you know it.
Sneaking in Smart and LeBron in the conversation as if they’re getting a lot of free throws lol.
gotta admit they’re notorious floppers though.
Smart yes. LeBron is not really that much of a flopper. He’s just played for so long that of course there are a lot of clips of him doing literally everything, so any sort of claim can be made about him. At most, he does a bit of LeActing, but his career has consistently been about finishing through heavy contact, especially in the playoffs.
Clippers shot more free throws overall and Mathurin shot more than anyone else in the game.
Bron, Reaves, and Smart shot 11 free throws combined btw, still less than Mathurin’s 14 attempts.
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I’ll do you one better. Getting to the FT is a skill and I commend any player including SGA who can do it consistently.
dipping your shoulder into a defender in legal guarding position, whipping your head back and throwing up slop with no intention other than going to the FT line isn’t a skill.
I suppose causing an injury to an opponent and getting away with it is a skill, but that doesn’t mean it should be celebrated.
It’s a skill but it’s not real basketball
He probably just meant jacking off birds
Luka and AR do love flipping the bird to each other
Hi clippers coach Ty Lue here. I did mean this thank you
I actually lol’d. Thanks dude. Needed that with a funeral earlier today.
“Do you suspect foul play?”
“No, I don’t think a chicken could do this.”
Ah yes, a historically ethical franchise like the Clippers complaining about foul baiting!
Listen, we’re all trying to figure out who tricked Balmer and Kawhi into working with Aspire
It was clearly Pablo. Dude has an the receipts lol
Meanwhile Kawhi was traveling more United Airlines. One play the entire Lakers team was in shock it wasn’t called.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty is still a standard in America
And how’s that been going for America recently?
Not good at all, but that still doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a thing
True, but only as long as the investigation into being guilty is actually impartial and competent, which it seems like it’s neither in the case of both the Clippers and America’s elites in general
guy who coached james harden complaining about a luka team foul baiting is the most pot meet kettle thing i have ever seen
One of the most popular clips from the game is Dunn hacking Luka’s arm over and over to the point where Luka bursts out laughing.
Foul baiting when the opposing team shot more free throws cmon 😂
As an OKC fan, first time? lol
I promise you this is not the first time for lakers fans lol
Yeah I was just joking
Luka has a different circlejerk about his FTs than SGA but they are both targets of some of the most obnoxious jerking in the league, that results in these narratives of bitching about fouls even if your team had significant more fts
Yeah I agree. Idk why you’re getting so many downvotes
It comes with the flair atp lmao
It’s not about how many fts, it’s about how they’re getting the fts. Atleast that’s what I’ve been told for SGA 🤔
They gon move the goalposts any which way to fit their narratives
I don’t even like SGA, but it’s true
Got straght into it after trading one of the og foul baiters to cleveland. 😆
The Lakers lead the league in contested FG% at 50.5%.
They might be foul baiting a little but they’re legitimately making hard shots
Our best 3 players don’t really blow by guys and Rui is constantly hiring contestant mid ranges. That stat definitely makes sense
Exactly. AR is our only player that can actually get to the rim consistently beating his man this year.
Thats mostly because AR, Luka, and Bron attack the rim regularly.
Lakers should just be doing the step over celebration each time they beat Lue to remind him of his time with them.
How would that work? Presumably Lue wouldn’t be lying on the floor. Are they going to step over eachother?
What a weird and strange fanfic to have
Says the tema that was hacking the whole game.
Delusional.
From the very first whistle, the Clippers (Dunn and Mathurin specifically) were complaining about every single call. Every one, even ones that the player that committed the foul wasn’t arguing.
The way they acted on every call madee it seem like it was something discussed before the game among Clippers players or the team.
lol yeah didn’t Mathurin get a tech complaining about a call one someone else
I have never seen a coach with the most, “I’m over this fucking shit” Dad look until this man
I don’t take any foul baiting complaints from any team or player seriously. It’s only a problem when they aren’t benefitting from it.
100%. As if every single player isn’t trying to do everything possible to win
Lmao the clippers shot more free throws than the Lakers this game
Tell that to your guys who are actually hacking the other team all game
The Clippers have more free throws than the Lakers. Lol
oh my god lakers foul bait so much it drives me crazy, anyways 10 billion more free throws of mathurin pls
Wish he had pulled out a laptop to prove his point, a la Mike Brown lol
Interesting checks notes
Free throws
Clippers 24⁄29
Lakers 20⁄25
Lue is just yapping
As soon as Harden is gone lol.
And can he talk about Harden and Mathurin hypocrite
Awww, so sad
Dude Dunn was hacking the living shit out of Luka all night.
What a loser mentality, I’m so sick of seeing coaches bitch like children about refs. Ya the refs fucking suck, it’s a reality of being in the NBA, you’re paid millions of dollars to deal with it and still find a way to win. I guess it’s easier to deflect the blame
The Clippers were getting away with hacking a ton in the game so I guess it evens out Ty
Doesn’t everyone do that these days?
Ty Lue isn’t a coach. He’s a chaperone
Has he ever played against Jokic??
Didn’t they just play Denver the game before lol
That’s the joke lol
I’m interested in knowing how the Lakers convinced 29 other franchises and the league to allow this for so long.
I mean…
Lakers were called for 4 more fouls while Clippers got 4 more free throws. What am I missing?
Yea, cry some more Ty Lue 🤣
Ty lues body type needs to be studied.
For a head coach to be unprepared for an NBA team to bait fouls in 2026 is unacceptable. You should assume that all of your opponents will do this and be prepared for it. Foul bating may be bad basketball, but it is not unexpected.
What a whiney loser punk
He should know better how to call a bluff.
Pot meets kettle
Clippers fan only ones dumb enough to shoot more FTs and have less fouls and still complain about the refs..
and yet no call when they tried to foul James at the end
Why is this such a talked about thing in today’s NBA.
FREE THROWS ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF SCORING IN BASKETBALL SO PLAYERS WILL OF COURSE ACCENTUATE CONTACT TO GET TO THE LINE.
The fact coaches complain about this is wild to me
Water is wet. Tell me something surprising.
You don’t need a scouting report to know that Luka and AR does that every game
Come on Lue, you’re a better coach than that
I dont know how fans can enjoy a team full of foul baters, thats gotta be the most boring brand of ball there is. No one is actually trying to score half the time, theyre just playing for contact and then crying to refs the majority of the time…how is that entertaining basketball…watching FTs?
Yea bro Don’t know how anyone could watch the clippers They just foul bait I agree with you
He’s probably more disappointed about Kawhi leaving the game early. They probably would have won otherwise.
They were. Pretty hard to watch the Nuggets flop and the lakers flop in back to back games
No shit. The nba wants Luka and Lebum to make a deep run in the playoffs
Proof of that?
that’s what happens when you have a lakers whistle+whole lotta flopping
2 of them really stood out - the Vando flop Dagher fell for, and the softest flagrant ever as Lebron dove to the floor after a mild elbow to the ribs.
Accurate statement. And said foul baiting got rewarded big-time.
Luka on the Lakers is when the league essentially ended. Everything after is WWE
the Lakers would be a lot better if that were true lol