Deron Williams says Jerry Sloan decided to quit at halftime because Deron tweaked a play & Jerry said to him in “you wanna f****** coach this team again huh?”
I remembered when this happened I thought myself Deron William really made a Hall of Fame coach retired midseason.
Sloan wore down from years of dealing with the nba and didn’t want to handle the same old shit any more. Not that Deron was particularly outrageous, but Jerry Sloan had coached for 26 years
Head coach in the nba, you’re lucky if you get more than 4-5 years in a spot. 26 years is an entire career even in a less stressful field.
And sloan had an entire career as player, before that. Mr. Bull was the first retired jersey for the bulls franchise
Sloan burnt out at age 68 imho. Maybe if deron had been better aligned with his coach, he might have made it a couple more years, but it was just a matter of time
Rivers is at 25 years coaching, Pop at 29. Those are more recent
Sloan at retirement was the longest tenured coach at one franchise in nba history
Talk about fate
“After retiring in 1976, Sloan took the Evansville job, but withdrew after five days. That same season, the Evansville basketball team and coaching staff were killed in a plane crash at Evansville Airport.”
What
Edit: after looking it up for details I found this addition on Wikipedia:
“The only member of the Purple Aces who did not die in the crash was 18-year-old freshman David Furr; he was out for the season with an ankle injury and thus was not on the plane that day. Two weeks after the crash, Furr and his younger brother Byron were killed in a car accident near Newton, Illinois, leaving the entire 1977 Evansville team dead”
Final Destination
I’m saying bro
Bro my thoughts exactly this just gave me the chills head to toes.
Jerry Sloan is Devon Sawa. Deron Williams is Tony Todd.
Holy shit
Fate said, “Oh you think you slick, huh? I got somethin for you. Matter fact…I got sometin for your brother too.”
I went to high school a block away from the University of Evansville. There’s a memorial on UE’s campus called the Weeping Basketball. The anniversary is always a solemn day. It’s always a very weird vibe when the Furr brothers fate is discussed.
Here is a good article about it that makes me emotional every time I read it.
That’s some final destination stuff, holy hell
literally the plot of the first final destination
look into mike duff from that aces team. one of the best players in history from southern illinois. played against bird in college and bird said he was incredible.
I looked it up. And found this addition
What in the fuck
This would make an insane horror movie “based on a real story” Geez….
Kind of sounds like “Yellow Jackets”
They already made a movie like this …called Final Destination.
All my years following and watching the NBA and I never knew this. WOW
holy smokes
Crazy coincidence
He doesn’t get his flowers
What an incredible career
We also didn’t know at the time, but Sloan had dementia. He died from it 9 years after retiring. So it was a lot more complex than we thought at the time.
He was nearly 70– with just normal aging, the brain changes and loses flexibility and patience.
But he was also diagnosed with Parkinsons and Lewy Body dementia 5 years afterward. Lewy Body (and Alzheimers) affect the brain for years– potentially more than a decade before a diagnosis.
So it wouldn’t be surprising if that was also affecting personality on some level under the surface.
This is it right here. Jerry was just old and tired and starting to get sick at this point. He made the right call for himself to quit if he wasn’t enjoying his job anymore. As a young Jazz fan at the time I was furious at Deron for “forcing” Jerry to quit. Many years later I now I understand their miscommunication was just what made Jerry realize he doesn’t have patience to be a coach anymore. Deron was just a young man trying to understand how to do his job.
That was probably it. I suspect my 73 yr old dad is going through the same thing because he has become an insufferable asshole in his old age. Things he used to easily brush off and ignore become huge annoyances for him. Shit like a driver not using their turn signal would set him off.
Ive learned that age related illnesses like dementia start out with personality changes and mood swings. Losing that filter and voice of reasoning in your brain. Forgetting names, directions, and details comes much later.
Losing that filter and voice of reasoning in your brain.
I think this thing is the most painful. They just like, blurt whatever comes to their mind even if it is deeply offensive or will completely ruin the mood. And it’s not just anger, it’s also sadness and other emotions - everything is out there on 100, and year after year it becomes grating. When you tell them they changed they just say “That’s who I am, deal with it”.
Sounds like you’re going through the same thing. My dad and I have a strained relationship at the moment because of this. I’ve confronted him about it. He denies anything is wrong. Argues with me to accept that’s how he is and its that everyone else around him is doing him wrong.
For me it’s revealing how these older relatives were absolutely terrible with accepting criticism to begin with. But they got along for most of their lives because of their people skills or good nature. Now that they grate on people they are simply unwilling to accept that they can be in the wrong - and unsurprisingly, clam up into a shell and double down once you do criticize them, to the point of acting more onbnoxious on purpose.
It’s a sad thing to see, as they burn through decades of social credit in their last years - instead of gracefully accompanying them, we tolerate them till the end.
Yeah, when my mom was diagnosed with dementia it was already pretty obvious and the doctor told us that the symptoms probably started showing up 7 to 10 years before that. Me and my brothers started to think about it and it kind of “clicked” that all the subtle changes in her behaviour were not just the old age, but also dementia kicking in.
Not that it would help much, because this freaking hellish disease has no cure, but we would at least know what was going on.
Alzheimer might have caused Sloan’s burnout
Really good context that people overlook
Sloan had Stockton for 15 years. Deron was in his 6th year with sloan, and he wasn’t particularly different output wise from his 2nd year on… He did break plays, and management gave Sloan carte blanche to punish him when push came to shove. Before that Sloan had been uncertain about how much management would back deron. Heck, even deron had no intent of forcing sloan out, it seems.
At least sloan retired to happy life with his 2nd wife, his tractors and restful sleep. (First wife had died of cancer after 41 years of marriage.. )
Jerry sloan should be remembered as a legend.
Deron doesn’t deserve the coach killer tag, he deserves to be known as the guy, who , when healthy, in sloan’ s system, made deron vs cp3 a real debate
Deron doesn’t deserve the coach killer tag, he deserves to be known as the guy, who in sloan’ s system, when healthy, made deron vs cp3 a real debate
Deron was better than CP3 back then and dominated him in head to head matchups. Also, Sloan died from dementia 9 years after retiring. So things were more complex than we knew at the time.
> head to head matchups
Deron was bigger, had a better coach, better fit. He was also really good. I don’t remember all the specific details, but I dont think cp3 s team was built that well around him.
If you swap their teams starting out, I think deron does worse than he did irl. But cp3 stylistically was such a contrast with sloan’s system, wonder if cp3 clash with sloan, cp3 might turn out a different player..
The jazz were better than the hornets though so it’s not really fair to use that as a deciding factor between the two. It really was deron and cp3 at the top for PG’s as 1a/1b but only after Steve nash had slowed down a bit
I was a big Deron guy back from illinois days and rooted for the Jazz during that time period, and I was Deron > CP3 up until their 3rd year when CP3 finished second in MVP voting – splitting hairs there but it felt like that “who is better” lasted longer in the moment then it really did
EDIT: i’m from an area without a pro team, so Utah wasn’t “my team” back then but I really liked Dwill and wanted to see him succeed
I remember those comparisons. I thought that because Deron had to make so many reads in the flex offense that he was better than CP3. His size, once he go his weight under control, was a big factor too. If Dwight had gone to NJ too, history may have been a little different.
or simply the ‘big 3’ of Dirk Deron Dwight that Cuban and us fans used to dream. Would have been a perfect big 3 in the west. We still have DWill later on but at that time he was pretty out of prime
*true stories
He could be a bully in a way CP3 wasn’t, Deron absolutely killed the raptors every time in his Nets days because he steam rolled Caulderon
Just an upvote doesn’t work, great context mate
Rivers is at 25 years “coaching” ….
I’ve watched Deron since U of I. Deron is a smart dude, and he’s like McNulty from the Wire, where he always thinks he’s the smartest dude in the room. Sloan was the worst matchup for a coach he could have asked for.
Sloan tended to come off as a tightly wound guy on the sidelines from a previous generation who liked his schemes just so. For 15 of his 23 years as jazz head coach, he had John Stockton, quiet, non-politicky, super competent / precise, trusted by coach.
> Sloan was the worst matchup for a coach
I think psychologically they may not have been the best fit, but I also believe deron had the best basketball years of his life in sloan’s system. He was still good for his first couple of years in the nets. But injuries, and fit weren’t as kind later. You know how some guys (lbj, cp3 in prime.. ) can *be* the system ? I won’t think deron was that guy. I suspect that if deron had started with 55 year old sloan instead of 63-68 year old sloan, then they would still have clashed, but had a much better chance of getting through together and deron ’s career would have been much more notable.
What do you think
I think you’re spot on, man. Spot fuckin on. He was the next basketball moment in Chicago after Jordan and I wanted bigger things for the guy. But like you said, his game was not as adjustable as CP3 so he could be dealt with by guys at the very highest levels. He still made a unique career with a unique playing style. He had such a quick first step for his body build.
Rivers is at 25 years coaching
Glenn & ISIS both starting their careers in 1999 seems pretty poetic ngl
Doc being employed as NBA head coach for 25 years goddamn
Pop still coaching??
ETA: really good read, friend
Thanks. Didn’t mean to imply pop is still coaching.
Meant to say pop overtook sloan’s record for most years coaching a franchise …but sloan had that record back then
Deron Williams was not worth the trouble.
As Utah and Brooklyn both found out
Eh? He was the either the best or the second best PG in the league at the time. Utah didn’t build a good enough team, and the Nets couldn’t have known he’d drop off so hard.
Source: I remember the D-Will vs CP3 years.
It’s not that he dropped off in BKN. He kept spraining the same ankle. Too many bad sprains and that ankle was toast. Without it he just wasn’t the same player anymore. Injuries did him in.
Ya because he was too fat. When he lost 20 lbs from that infamous juice cleanse his stats literally shot up overnight, it’s obvious in the game data lol
It’s a combo of both. He got far after the ankle injuries and then stayed fat
Being out of shape played a major role in his lower body injuries, I think carrying a lot of extra weight puts much more wear on the lower body.
He deferred on ankle surgery when he got to New Jersey and ruined his career playing through it.
Yeah crossovers were a huge part of his game and it really slowed him down. He was damn good for a while though
2008 Olympics as well. D-Will stood out
You’re right and he also got hurt playing overseas during the lockout and carried that injury moving forward. Lots of players who went abroad actually regressed from wearing their bodies down too much
The lockout also crammed the most back to backs where most injuries happen. It was about having a certain number of prime time games televised. That year was brutal for injuries
Not just back-to-backs — that season featured back-to-back-to-backs. Every team played at least one iirc
This. Youngbloods forget that D-Will was widely considered a top 2 PG in the league in his prime in Utah. CP3 vs D-Will was a very legitimate debate over a 2-3 year span.
He outplayed CP3 when they matched up in college iirc
Yeah my little brother never let me live down picking Dwill over CP3, but there was a time when it was a legitimate question.
Shame how quickly he fell off.
He was 10x more fun to watch at least. Crazy bag, crazy cross. Would throw it down every once in a while.
He fell off because he didnt have Jerry Sloan kicking him in his behind any more
Jerry Sloan kicking his behind saved him from injury before ?
Deron fit best in sloan’s system. He wasn’t the kind of guy who would be the system And he got injured on the same leg in nets..
But he was top 2 pg and perhaps some occasions top pg in league for years
He was solid on the nets as well though he had his best scoring seasons after leaving the jazz. Just didn’t last long
Thank you! Deron was a HOOPER
His crossover was nasty
And when he caught fire WATCH OUT
those were the days. seems crazy in retrospect looking at the career each of them went to have. it was an actual debate for a few seasons.
And I was on team D-Will at the time… I was wrong then and now, but back then you could put up a strong argument for Deron. Crazy bag, crazy cross over. CP3 is just a motherfucker on the court, in the best possible way. Don’t be fooled by his fam friendly, media trained interviews and pressers.
I remember that time too. I found it kind of ridiculous to say he was better than Paul back then. He was good. CP was simply better.
You legit couldn’t tell difference. They both even had very similar roles and playtime in legendary 2008 and 2012 Olympic teams. CP3 was most likely only starting in 2012 because of his back then amazing defense especially when he focused on that with way more talent around him compared to Hornets. But offensively they were going hand to hand and you would be more than glad having any of them on your team.
Actually he was worth it. The Jazz missed the playoffs in 5 of the 6 seasons after they traded him.
Ssshhh, didn’t remind about those years.
As a rockets fan I haaaaaaated D-Will. I was so relieved when he finally left Utah
People really forget that the argument was who was better Deron Williams versus CP3 and that was a legit argument to have.
You can talk all this shit in the world but Williams was the second best point guard in the league when he was around.
And the only reason he didn’t get past the 2nd round was the bad luck of facing Kobe and the Lakers 2008-2010, don’t think people know how crazy tough those Utah teams were and their home games were intense.
Deron Williams had his best years in the Sloan system and later brought up how much he liked the system in Utah and hated the lack of system in Brooklyn. Star in his prime clashes with old school coach who was used to my way or the highway. It was different schools clashing in 2011 and it didn’t help that Utah is not a market most stars want to play in. Deron played his best ball for Coach Sloan. Jerry Sloan wasn’t going to change his style for anyone, even his best player, and it came to a head. The disaster was it ended so poorly that Phil Spencer, Jerry Sloan’s 22 year assistant coach and heir apparent also decided to retire. Which brought the Jazz to the “it shall never be mentioned” Ty Co#^%*^ era.
Phil Johnson
Deron Williams was an awesome player.
For like 4 years, then his game fell off a cliff
Yeah so? He had a bunch of injuries and had to retire. Gold medalist, 3x all star, led the Jazz on a couple good playoff runs. Nice career, very good player.
Crazy. D Will kept Utah in the playoffs. Brooklyn he was on the tail end of his career
“Tail end of his career” like he wasn’t 26 years old when he got traded. Those D-Will and Brook Lopez teams were a DISASTER.
Both injured all the time. Then they added 40 year old KG and 38 year old Pierce and KG was plain horrible. Joe Johnson kept that team afloat
That’s tail end to me. Man couldn’t stay healthy despite how old he was.2011 wrist surgery, 2012 rib and calf, 2012-2015 both ankles
And Iso Joe couldn’t even save them lmao
Tail end because he forced his way there and his game fell off a cliff
He didn’t force his way to nets. Jazz kicked his ass out because Sloan retired
No
Jerry quit
Everything went up in flames
And DWill forced his way out
He was legit top 3 pg for 1-2 years. I think we forget that passing used to matter in the nva
Casual
Yeah pretty much same here, it wasn’t too long(what a year or maybe 3 max) where Deron was hanging by a thread to stay in the league. Injuries were a bit part from what I remember too. This is actually pretty interesting tho
Cool story bro. Now tell us what really happened.
“I was all cool and calm and just trying to help the team play better defense and Jerry just wasn’t having it and quit.”
Lol okay.
Saying all this now when he knows Jerry ain’t here to defend himself is weak.
Big facts
So bring Jerry Sloan back from his grave to confront Deron
Could you imagine the smack talk that would go down if you could summon spirits of the dead? That would be gold television.
Judging by D-Will’s body language, he knows that if Jerry catches wind of this podcast in the afterlife, he might come back and beat his ass.
Deron said he talked to him once in later years and his dementia made him snap at Deron as if it happened yesterday.
He already said he was a problem and felt guilty in previous interviews. He shouldn’t even had to feel guilty cause no man is quitting their career over one person.
You can even just tell by the way he’s talking and his body language that this isn’t even close to the whole truth.
I have a feeling they didn’t score on that reversed play and he remembers it.
They did score. Regardless, that kind of tweak absolutely should not be an issue for any coach, at any level - if you’re in a good state of mind, you’d think about exactly as Deron says in this video, “oh yeah that does make more sense for Al” - and thus it betrays how badly wound up Sloan was.
If those two were playing passive aggressive games all season, I’m sure that play call was one also.
Straw that broke the camel’s back.
They did score on the play. There’s a good secret base episode about DWill and Sloan.
It could be once youre done at the job youre done no matter what happens
He also seems to be talking about it as if it was a case of Sloan going crazy, when it was far more likely the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Pretty sure he was showing early signs of dementia at the time too.
I don’t know if that’s true, and I’m no Jerry Sloan expert, but he does seem to be one of the last HC’s that was a famously ‘system strict’ coach.
That type of coach at the NBA level did kinda seem to kinda go extinct around that timeframe, so to me, it makes some sense that he would have also been legit fed-up about star treatment and all that, but that DWill might have actually been right in some ways about wanting more personal autonomy. Or something like that.
It would probably take a DEEP DIVE to truly understand these matters, so I’m just kinda talking out my arse for the time being, haha.
We’ve litigated this a bunch on the Jazz sub over the years. I’ve heard interviews with Deron, Raja Bell and some of the guys who were on those teams. I don’t think Deron handled everything perfectly, but it seems like Sloan was definitely fading, and it was kind of an impossible situation.
IMO you’ve presented it perfectly equitably and fairly. (fluff the downvoters)
Yeah, this feels like a 3 sides to a story kind of retelling. Your side, my side, and the truth.
He says at the end that he didn’t handle it well. Seemed pretty straight up to me
He says that but the story didn’t reflect that so seems like the story was missing some details
I mean he says it at the end of the video that he was young and didn’t handle it well. Sloan also said at the time he was burnt out and “I forced myself out” and both acknowledged they had a disagreement but that it wasn’t enough to force one of them out.
I was at this game and from what I remember was Derrick Rose was lights out electric, D will wasn’t doing anything offensively and especially defensively. Rose made it look so damn easy and it’s no wonder he won the MVP that year.
What actually happened anyway? I remember at the time it was kinda framed like Deron turned on Sloan but how did it start to break down?
It was likely a combination of many things. Deron was acting more like an entitled star than he’s letting on here. He disagreed with Sloan and didn’t always follow coach’s orders. Also, Jerry was like 70 years old, in the last days of his career and passed away from dementia only 7 years later from what I remember.
So you have a cranky old coach, close to retirement, suffering from early undiagnosed mental health issues meeting a stubborn, young star who thinks he knows better.
Man not all his teammates back then dead yet, really hope someone else came out and tell the true story
He looks more in shape now than he did in his final year in Cleveland
I think he tried his hand at boxing or MMA in his post NBA career? I remember seeing him lined up for a fight a while back.
Edit: It was boxing. He boxed Frank Gore and yes it is the Frank Gore you’re thinking of.
He beat him basketball took a big w that night
Damn he really tried to throw Gore out of the ring 😭
https://youtu.be/cVcakHo9HA0?si=ZYVWS3fFYURksgCM
Deron oxempic
It’s cuz he’s wearing a shirt. That bad tattoo added years to him
1 2 3 good luck is diabolical lmao
Yeah doubt that’s all of the story, and of course it’s being told after Sloan has passed away.
Deron is dogshit for how he behaved toward Jerry.
How did he behave
I’m not someone who believes mistakes are never forgiven. I believe he did want to set things right, and I get his talks with Sloan didn’t go as planned, unsurprisingly given Sloan’s condition, but it seems like he really did try.
Yes, I’m sure that’s the entire story.
for anyone wanna catch up on the beef
https://youtu.be/ouIGbIO6oUU?si=6oqFp9v4b4bfge3w
“1, 2, 3, good luck”, LEGENDARY last words and absolutely fitting for Jerry Sloan.
Clara my queen
I’m a Jazz fan and I worship Coach Sloan but Deron purposely running plays on the wrong side of the floor just to piss him off will never not be hilarious to me.
Deron still lives in Utah and the Jazz tried to have Sloan and Deron reconcile when it became obvious Sloan was dying. Deron and some Jazz management went to Sloan’s house and depending on who you believe Sloan semi-accepted the apology and/or berated him for 2 hours in his office.
I think young D-Will needed maturity or stronger vet leadership, of course. I always compare him to Rondo, they needed an on court outlet for their brains. Their cerebral energy has to come out. When things don’t go well and they feel the need to correct them, they communicate it poorly because they get so frustrated in their head. Rondo Bulls is a great example. You can also so see it with CP3 at some of his stops.
Guys like that, who are wired to be basketball quarterbacks, need a strong connection with the coach. They are fearless expressing themselves right or wrong, and have strong personalities and opinions, which lead to leadership qualities.
A coach has to harness that energy properly and Sloan wasn’t able to do that.
Look at his career with Sloan and without Sloan. It’s hard to argue he didn’t harness D-Will’s energy. And Sloan coached Stockton for 19 years. I think he knew how to handle PGs.
I think one of great NBA “what-ifs” is the Jazz picking CP3 instead. I wonder if Sloan and CP3 would have gotten that championship they both never did.
I recall a coach Sloan interview where he emphasized his daily approach to coaching was on a day to day basis.
Acknowledging that he might one day simply decide it was time to step down.
It seemed like in that Bulls game, it finally arrived for him.
He even stated that D-Will did not initiate his departure. He was just over it.
I never liked the idea that Deron Williams made Sloan quit. Sloan was getting old and his entire coaching style was being an angry old coach. I don’t think him coaching would have been sustainable for much longer in the NBA
That hypothetical may have played out. But at the same time, Deron Williams absolutely made Sloan quit. That is not a narrative or a re-adjudication of facts. Its just what happened.
Sloan was 68, 23 years as head coach for jazz, then a record for any nba franchise, 26 years coaching , jersey retired as player
Sloan had carte blanche to punish deron. Decided he’d rather quit instead
Also the facts. Also just what happened .
Heck, even trading deron away was an option
Hard to escape the implication that he wore down over time; at some point i think it was inevitable he’d step away. Deron had no intention of forcing his coach out .. i suspect no one knew how close Sloan was to his end.
Most likely, management did not have Sloan’s back.
True, but after that long it could have been anyone or anything to set him off. Williams didn’t deserve the legacy of forcing out a coach in the top 5 of all-time wins when he was probably already on his way out.
That’s really what this feels like. He was in the same place for a long ass time, and was just done.
I have never seen a coach as miserable-loking as Sloan. It was like a crusade he was suffering through. Probably should have retired along with Malone/Stockton.
Such a dramatic exit by Jerry. I think he could have handled it better.
Yeah I get the feeling dude was just kinda done with it and snapped.
Shit I’ve done this in past relationships too and always wish I handled it better myself lmao
I might be misremembering but I thought he already had his dementia diagnosis by this point and knew his time was limited. Last time I heard someone talk about the Williams/Sloan beef, I thought that parts of his dementia starting to show was also a big factor.
Dude had 23 years coaching the jazz, then most all time by a coach for any single franchise. 26 years coach, 11 as player (first jersey ever retired by chicago).
That’s a lot of years. I think sloan of maybe a decade earlier would simply have eaten deron alive.. he just wore out until he decided at age 68 that he didn’t want to deal with this shit anymore
I mean Jerry took the exact same system he ran with John Stockton and Karl Malone and made stars out of Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer with it. Deron is not in the stratosphere of John and Carlos is not in the stratosphere of Karl.
It fucking worked.
It worked, but it was also a really great roster overall. Paul Millsap and Kyle Korver were coming off the bench, we had Kirilenko at the 3 and a stretch 5 in Okur. D Will was great too, that wasn’t some product of Sloan. His first season in Brooklyn he was really good before he got hurt.
But Deron Williams wanted Utah trade = BAD
Then Deron Williams play bad = BAD
and Jerry Sloan win lots of games in lil ol small market = good
simple
Deron really had to be a pain in the ass to make a guy like Sloan bounce. Jerry went through a bunch of shit with players and just being in the league that long
Could’ve just been the straw that broke the camel’s back
I think we have all been in a situation where you suddenly realize you really don’t have to do something that’s making you miserable anymore, and that if you just walk out you will be done with all this shit forever
Happens with jobs, relationships, ect
26 years coaching makes for a lot of straws
Things Stockton never had to deal with
I’m here for all Deron Williams podcast appearances. I feel like his career faded away like no one else’s
Rondo was a shell of his former self after he left Boston
I’ve liked DWill as a player since his college play. It’s a shame that him and Sloan couldn’t find a real compromise, or that the franchise/team as a whole couldn’t get past the 2nd round** (when they did make the playoffs) during Deron’s career there.
He got exactly what he wanted in Brooklyn, being THE GUY there, but whether because it was more than he thought he could handle, or because of the timing of his injuries or both - he couldn’t fill those shoes.
**correction - they did make it to conference finals in his sophomore season, but never won a 2nd round series after that.
Let’s be real, dudes career failed because by NBA point guard standards, he was fat as shit
Probably doesn’t have his body fail him if he bothered to take care of it before spraining the same ankle 37 times
He wasnt fat by any standard in his prime
I don’t recall him being “fat as shit” before the chronic injuries. Dude made the all star team when he went to the Nets, and was in the Olympics the following year. After that though, yeah, he wasn’t the same.
because it was more
Probably both , and also that it was a different system and players ..
Deron was great as point guard before, but he wasn’t the system unlike say lbj or cp3 or ..i think jazz system and players might actually have fit him better before the injuries
That’s why I think it’s a shame, that the org built poorly around him, and then him and Sloan butted heads. I think Deron really wanted to be the system, but when he was expected to be in Brooklyn, he couldn’t.
Anyone who knows or has dealt with Deron Williams knows he is a grade A piece of shit. The fact he is talking about this after Sloan’s death and framing it in this way proves that.
I haven’t heard those stories but I’d believe it. I don’t like his whole vibe.
Starts with his garbage haircut
D-Will my fav pg from that era
Illini in da house.
“I remember this one play, who it was run for and the people who were regularly involved. I decided to make a change because only one of the regulars were involved. I don’t remember the outcome though.”
Detective luckily we can go back to the game he was referencing and guess what! They actually did score.
I ain’t mad at Sloan he got worn down with the new era of basketball instead of team ball
Are those grey hairs in his beard?!! Man i remember him playing against Arizona in the tourney! Holy fuck how time passes.
Deron williams on the jazz was a problem
Still stings…
We all knew he was the reason the old man left lol
I’ve watched the doc, and I’ve read these comments. I’ve worked with guys with the mentality of Jerry Sloan. Very old school. Gritty. Tough love types. Guys like Jerry Sloan, the best you can do is follow their word down the very T. If things don’t work out, you do your part so the process is perfectly done, to show the process is flawed. Hopefully then, Sloan will likely revise and improve. If it interrupt the chain of command, that’s the issue.
Sometimes the process is flawed. Sometimes the execution is flawed. Often, it’s best to know your role (when dealing with these kinds of old heads), and hope for the best. Times have changed, I don’t think the top down system is as commonly practiced these days. Sometimes the only way to show respect (or earn respect) to the old timers is to perfectly execute a flawed process, where they don’t doubt your efforts and talents. It’s a means of displaying loyalty.
I’m in construction and we still have the old guys with this mentality. Many are going to retire this year or the next. The newer generation is much more collaborative, communicative, and less name calling.
I legit think you gotta hang it after a certain period. Especially when you have comfortable money. People go for way to long because they want the respect, power, and more money. Meanwhile, their relationships and health decline.
Guy’s mouth always looked like a puckered asshole
Deron Williams. I was very close friends with a player in that team. The coach hated Deron. He quit because of Deron. They called his bluff and then they traded him thinking coach would come Back but he was like nope. I gave you your shot
Coaches like Sloan are such insecure bitches. Usually cause of childhood trauma. Their daddy didn’t love em enough. So they have to treat other men like shit while in their little “position of power”.
Nah, that was a generational thing
The clip of D Will talking to them about going to Sloan to talk about the lack of defensive communication and Sloan shrugging him off but then getting mad once he found out D Will started talking with the vets fixing the defensive communication, is also very telling.. Sloan just didn’t like D Will. He was probably the owners pick
That sucked loosing DWill. Those teams were amazing!
Still cant believe Linsanity ended deron’s career
Deron is the villain here.
Coaches are the biggest divas EVER. This “my way or the highway” shit is for the birds. There’s no coach I respect today that coached me back in middle or high school
I’m not believing a single word Deron Williams says unless it’s corroborated by another Jazz player. I remember when this happened, Sloan was a legend and Deron amounted to nothing.