[Bobby Marks] The NBA is expected to “overhaul the system” in an attempt to fix tan·king. “Whether it be rewarding teams in the standing with wins and not incentivizing teams to lose… not just something minor here.”
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=BIpAE5y7Z7E&t=177s&pp=2AGxAZACAQ%3D%3D
Fix tan king? What tan king?
Long live the tan king
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Viva! Viva la Tan King!
New nickname just dropped for Chet
I’ve always preferred “Marfan favorite”
My girl calls me her tan king.
Weird she calls me the same
There can’t be more than one king in the castle. This means war.
3 kings, because your girl called me that too. Wanna build an alliance against the other guy and then betray each other?
Nine Rings for Mortal Men, doomed to die, One for the Tan King on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
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Is this the NBA twitter equivalent of pdf files graping and unaliving people?
I’m guessing the mods put an auto filter on for “tanking” because of all the posts about it. Presumably any post with “tanking” in it would be removed.
The King in Tan
I think it was a try at a jab to the kings because they be tanking
Sofa King.
George Hamilton?
Who would be the tan king of the nba?
Time is a flat circle. Tan King will always exist.
If they did reverse lottery odds I guarantee teams would tank play-in games. Every year over half the play-in teams don’t even feel like they have a shot to even win a series, and if you were in their shoes would you rather get swept by a 1 seed or get a Wemby, Flagg, or Peterson level guy?
Yeah this is a horrible suggestion. Borderline playoff teams tanking is far worse than already bad teams tanking
I think the sweet spot is to have the best odds for the 5th/6th worst spots. Far enough down that play-in teams can’t tank for it, and the worst teams will be incentivized to win.
Yes yes. You know what just go ahead and give the team in 6th the first pick that works great. Lets start this season, we could even go ahead and use the all star break as the finish line so that teams could win after that with no consequence.
Oh would ya look at that, looks like the Jazz are the new owners of the number 1 pick
Yeah I don’t know why people are so anti tanking. We want bad teams to get higher picks. Why would we ever want the mediocre teams to get the best picks???
You want naturally bad teams to get higher picks. You don’t want teams to be intentionally bad to get higher picks.
Most of the tanking teams are naturally bad anyway
While I do agree with getting rid of the play-in in this situation, tanking with that precision is effectively impossible. Trying to lose all games is easy. Trying to win a precise amount dependent entirely on the outcome of the last game is the opposite.
Not to mention the players and NBAPA would be furious and file grievances for denying playoff bonuses. It would be disastrous to try and throw the last game of a season.
Remove play-ins as well
The play-in has already been too successful for its short lifespan for them to change it. The play-in Heat got to the Finals and a play-in Lakers got far whenever year that was as well.
The play-in will have to produce way more failures over a larger period of time for them to consider changing it.
Lakers never moved up or down though. They were 7th seed 3 years in a row and just won their first game each time.
Idk about the Heat but the Lakers weren’t a “play in” team. They were a top 8 seed. So removing the play in wouldn’t effect their playoff outcome.
The Heat were the 7 seed who ended up the 8 seed bc of the play-in. They beat both the 1 and 2 seed that playoff run so
Neither the heat or lakers were 9 or 10 seeds. Those seeds are still extra dogshit
Nah, the play in is great. Teams have to fight to stay above 6th to avoid the play-in. Teams 7-10 have something to play for. It’s a little wonky, but an absolute win.
Well say, the teams that make the play in get the top picks, and decending from there. I guess if you win the play in, and lose the 1st, that sucks, but maybe you get like 9th pick instead. Idk
They watered down the lotto odds and all it did was punish the elite tankers.
You used to have to tank from start to finish to lock in a top 3 pick.
Now we’ve got soft tankers. And post All-Star tankers.
There used to be an art to tanking. A discipline. A vision.
I miss ethical tanking.
We got fined for ethical tanking lol
Ain’t nothing ethical about what the Pacers are doing
Explain yourself.
They’ve had 29 different players signed to the roster, 18 of whom have started.
Are these all fake injuries?
Meanwhile, Pascal, the only reliably healthy player, has been out there 51 out of 55 games, averaging 24 points in 34 minutes a night.
Again, I say, explain yourself.
I mean, the pacers without Hali are what everyone thought boston without Tatum would be
The Admiral getting injured?
I remember his back issues sidelined him almost the entire season. He did have actual back problems that would hinder him going forward as he was never the same level player but if those spurs were competitive he would have played more games for sure.
His injury was 100% legit.
the fact that teams are trying to out tank teams by rolling out gleague players, putting allstars on “minute restrictions”, and selling players for 2rps
Yet the Sixers tanked by just trading players for picks and we were taken over is crazy
Some of us were just bad.
You can’t bench your All-Stars if you don’t have All-Stars.
Real tankers know.
Just go back to the 80s. Same odds for everyone that misses the playoffs, but large monetary advantages for teams that make the playoffs.
Just go inverse order. I get the theory behind punishing teams for tanking, but when trying to do so results in bad teams staying bad, the system is broken.
I miss the old tanking, straight from the go, tanking
Would a team rather win the play-in or get the 1st pick?
The Grizzlies won in the playin last year the Mavs lost. Let’s ask them who’s happier now.
You literally save your franchise but getting a player like Flagg. Teams will do whatever they need to in order to get the highest chance possible of getting a player of that level
(If they’re smart and main objective is long term success)
Which is the entire problem; they’ve set up a system that incentivizes teams to intentionally throw games. Clearly that’s not what they want.
True. However, everything has trade offs, you just have to decide what’s the least bad.
Completely flat odds for example would have very good teams in the west nearing 50 wins have the same odds as a sub 20 win teams
It’s ironic as they flattened the odds to try to make tanking less appealing but it’s had the opposite effect as now more teams are giving up earlier as once you’re in the lottery anything can happen.
I don’t think they’ll ever fully eliminate tanking but they’re going to try to make it less common.
I like the idea of letting teams choose which team’s pick they want for the next season.
It removes the incentive for each team to tank since no one owns their pick, but also helps bad teams by giving them first priority regarding which team’s pick they want for the following season.
The issue is that you then can’t trade draft picks anymore.
Fuck it, don’t bail out the bad teams. If a team is good but gets a pick due to circumstances so be it
World’s smallest violin
As a Grizzlies fan, I can verify: it’s not us.
For what it’s worth that’s part of why this is an issue up through 5-8 seed teams. Our guys came back and played hard, through injuries (when typically a cold sets them out for 2-6 weeks) just to get swept in the first round. And it’s one of their most unforgivable crimes imo.
Bulls would definitely choose play in
Why would a current player give a shit about the team’s draft picks? They’re drafting your replacement on a cheaper deal. And you’ll probably be traded by the time this draft pick develops into a star 4-5 years from now.
Like Lauri. Why’s he willing to throw away years of his career on the hope the Jazz will get great players that don’t play his position? And that the Jazz won’t just trade him in two years once they’ve got their young studs. Then it’s trade Lauri for players that fit the timeline.
Because he has a $48 million a year contract
Lmao. That’s fair. He gets to just chill for a living. Get paid like a star to sit front row or sometimes play with zero expectations. Not a bad gig.
The players and coach would want to win, the GM and owner probably not
Will Hardy sure looks like he’s doing whatever he can to win…
It’s obviously directed by the ownership. If he refused they’d just replace him
Depends on the year is the true answer
With that said though, the 1st pick 90% of the time and most GMs would be lying to you if they said otherwise. This question can even be rephrased into another: would you rather have a treadmill team or one with the potential for a perennial playoff position and championship? I think it answers itself
Why not both?
Raptors did in 2023. We were below .500 at the trade deadline, and everyone was expecting us to sell. But Masai traded a 1st round pick for Jacob Poeltl. We improved just enough to make the play-in and lost the 1st game to the bulls
Can’t wait for the NBA to declare victory over tanking when fewer teams tank in a weak draft class next year.
Tanking has been a rage cycle for a while now.
It’s existed forever and people don’t care for the most part and then some elite class comes along and some blatant throwing happens and people get upset again before not caring the next year
Yeah exactly.
No one really cared about the supposed issue of tanking when Alex Sarr and Risacher were the best propsects lol.
“We did it Patrick, we saved the league!”
“Mission Accomplished”
Idea: Make draft position a rolling average based off the teams last 3 years. Then make it so the teams know their draft slot at the beginning of the season.
That makes it so being bad in a singular year has less impact on your pick overall. Making aggressive tanking much less incentived. Plus, your slot for next year is pre-determined so current year’s output isnt immediately significant.
This way:
This is a great idea. Problem is I think the NBA likes the lottery selection process for ratings and if the order is known by all beforehand then the draft lottery show is killed.
I’m not sure the draft lottery does that much business for them to matter. It’s a good 30 minutes but would it move the needle if it disappeared?
Draft lottery couldn’t possibly recoup the lost interest in a league where 1⁄3 of the teams are trying to lose.
In the grand scheme of things losing the lottery ratings are well worth cutting back on tanking
lol the NBA doesnt like the lottery for ratings, nobody watches that shit. they like the lottery because it can be easily controlled and rigged
This seems smart and would end things like teams multi year runs of getting screwed in the lottery.
If you wanted to get best of both worlds just do The top 4 picks are determined by the teams with the worst 3 year average record, and then picks 5-13 are determined in a draft lottery.
I honestly dgaf that teams tank
No matter what system is in place there will always be gamemanship
That’s a very interesting idea I actually haven’t seen anywhere yet. I like the idea of disconnecting your draft pick from that year’s record while also maintaining the draft’s intent of helping bad teams acquire talent.
My main concern would be that it would incentivize multi-year tanking strategies instead of acute ones, but maybe that’s a good thing anyway.
It would allow truly bad teams to have better picks while preventing mediocre or injury plagued teams from aggressively tanking in a good draft year.
Press X to doubt
Why? They’ve done thigns to address it in the past. What could possibly make you think they wouldn’t address it in the future?
They’ve done things that realistically have only made tanking worse. When you flatten the odds it just encourages tanking from teams that are closer to the middle of the league. A mid team tanking is a much more noticeable problem than a terrible team tanking. And the terrible teams still exist regardless. The fact that they only really considered the incentives at the bottom of the league really shows how incompetent they are.
Idk why you would be that doubtful about this news tbh, a lot of the things that came out in the last couple of weeks seem to point in the direction that Adam Silver and NBA execs are pretty set on changing the NBA draft, this seems rather realistic
It sounds great, but realistically most of the proposals are really convoluted and open the door to unintended consequences. Meanwhile the status quo is franchise value continues to go up and up and up.
Which is because all means currently to deter tanking aren’t targeting the one group (owners) who are ok with tanking as a star player adds too much value to the team and the majority of teams can’t sign a star on the open market.
Tanking is mostly a TV problem as it makes for a bad product. If the league does a 3 strike system with televised games counting as double where you lose revenue share and national games if identified as tanking you may be able to rebalance the risk reward profile.
Unless they are willing to disappear the draft tanking will always exist.
Especially since they have already done things over the past 10 years to try to address it. It clearly hasn’t worked well enough and they clearly know it’s an issue so it makes sense something more drastic is likely coming. We shall see.
They thought flattening the odds would make tanking less appealing but it’s had the opposite effect as now even more teams are throwing games to get into the lottery.
Not to mention they’ve already done this. They flattened the odds to make it less beneficial to be the worst team because of the sixers. The nba has made changes to the lottery before and will again.
There are maybe 6 teams that can attract free agents, and the rest need to use the lottery. I don’t think they’re going to get enough owners to go along with reform that hurts their ability to build through the draft.
Relegation to the G-League
i keep telling people, promotion/relegation system would make NBA easily the best league in the USA
Unfortunately the owners would never allow it. Teams make the majority of their money from TV deals, which vanish the moment they aren’t in the NBA. No owner would allow their billion dollar investments to be one bad season from being functionally worthless
NBA and NBA2 with Bundesliga style promotion/relegation rules. Bottom 2 in NBA go down, top 2 in NBA2 go up, 3rd worst in NBA vs 3rd best in NBA2 in a best of 3 series to determine who gets promoted.
Owners would never accept it
Owners would NEVER allow this.
Relegation just doesn’t have a place in American sports leagues.
For a society that fetishizes meritocracy and competition, it’s crazy that we allow the Utah Jazz to aim for 200 losses over three seasons without any consequence.
This will ruin the nba imo
Nothing like trying to fix a problem and just making things worse
If the NBA wants to fix tanking they need to make free agency competitive for small market teams. There’s literally no way for them to attract talent other than the draft.
And if you want to fix free agency, you need a hard cap with no max salary. Without that, any further attempts to “fix” tanking are just going to fuck small markets even more.
Or at least make it so the Supermax doesn’t count any more against the cap than a regular max. Gives the small market teams an advantage instead of penalizing them
Gambling, which surely can be tied to tanking, is really what’s going to ruin the NBA. I feel like all this talk about tanking and changing draft rules is a band-aid to distract us from the growing cancer gambling is to the game
Gambling that exists in every sport and that has been available for decades in the worlds most popular sport in countries and leagues that are 1000x less watched and regulated than the nba?
I mean, it’s become much more prevalent since sports gambling got legalized
Gambling has been around for decades and teams used to tank. I swear every negative thing in all sports is attributed to gambling. How about the fact that over the last 20 years viewership is down. Or the fact that the NBA has gotten murdered in viewership compared to the NFL on Christmas day, the holiday the NBA used to ‘own’. I’m not about to watch a meaningless game with 2nd string players in an 82 game season. It’s boring.
Lol what. Tanking isn’t new
i agree
Already ruined tbh
Just get rid of the lottery at this point. If you have to change the odds every five years then it’s obvious it doesn’t work.
Its stupid why they haven’t considered removing it all together. In the NFL where there’s no lottery, competitive balance is so good and teams at the top get cycled through because the bottom feeder teams actually have a chance of improving their roster if they’re the absolute worst in the league
For the NBA, if a team like the Wizards or Hornets were the worst in the league but were consistently getting the 4th/5th/6th pick in the draft due to the lottery, then they’re just perpetually gonna suck. It’s difficult for bottom feeder teams to get out of the bottom if they’re can’t even get help from the draft itself.
The entire lottery system is dumb. I get it’s to prevent tanking, but in my opinion I think it just makes tanking worse because now you have the #16-#30 teams all actively trying to tank because they ALL have a chance at the #1 pick. Remove the lottery and now you probably have #16-#20 trying to get a playin spot instead because they have ZERO chance at the 1st pick. You might even have #21-#24 trying to make trades in the season to improve.
One NFL player is not going to change things much. Miles Garret has not helped the Browns. That quality of player on an NBA team is a much bigger deal.
sounds like the absolute dumbest plan btw. i pray they’re not fully serious about this
Tanking isn’t the biggest issue in the nba
Players sitting out nearly 20 games for load management is an issue. Especially when it’s a national game
Bad reffing and too many FTs also
And a disproportionate amount of power going to a small selection of mega markets.
Really the only people annoyed about tanking are a loud minority of the diehard fans. Get more consistent officiating and less free throws. Nobody likes watching free throws.
Does “load management” really happen that much anymore? I know there’s the occasional game where teams sit their stars, but not nearly as often as it used to a couple years ago.
This year’s taking is truly egregious because it’s happening in game. Several teams getting to the 4th quarter of a close game and sitting all their starters.
What is the point of comments like this?
‘Oh it’s not the biggest issue we have so we can’t do anything to improve the games unless we tackle the biggest issue first’
This subs defense of tanking is so fucking bizarre
Heat & Bulls FO’s now that being mid will be rewarded
Just implement the PWHL model.
Once you’re eliminated from the playoffs you earn draft points for every win through the end of the season. The team with the most draft points gets the #1 pick.
The worst teams still get the most chances at earning points but still have to play their best player to win games. Better teams still have a chance at higher picks because they can go on a late season run and win more games in a shorter time.
Teams wouldn’t be able to just sell off stars and lose on purpose. It gives an incentive for every team to compete through the last game of the year.
The only way to stop tanking isn’t to punish teams for losing, it’s to incentivize teams to compete.
So the genuinely worst teams won’t ever get the first pick?
Bad teams get eliminated first so they have more chances to rack up the wins
Like that’s a bad thing? It would make teams hire competent GMs and coaches. Terrible owners couldn’t skate by because they got lucky. You’d have to actually be a good organization.
What if those teams are truly garbage and can’t win to get that number 1 pick? Truly garbage teams are getting fucked over in that system.
How many Marks post we getting this week
Depends, how many Sam Presti burners are there?
I feel like the fix is relatively simple:
Lottery odds depends on the lottery from the last five years. If you’ve recently gotten a high pick you can’t get more.
But then if you’re genuinely bad and get a high pick in a bad draft, you’re turbo-fucked.
The ugly truth is there will always be tanking. People get all butt hurt, but so what if 4-5 teams suck. There will always be sucky teams
So far every solution proposed would just completely kill a small market’s ability to become a contender.
The simple solution is Adam Silver resolves this behind closed doors for egregious tanking moves (eg Utah) and then just starts penalizing their draft picks if they don’t fall in line.
No need to change the whole system. Bad teams should have the chance to pick high
The simple solution is to just let it happen and stop endlessly fucking with the format of the league based on whatever circlejerk the perpetually angry Internet is grumbling about that day.
Yep. The system is fine - I’d even revert the odds to what it was 8 years ago or whatever.
Silver just needs to not be a baby and lay down the hammer on teams sitting players mid game for no reason and otherwise it’s fine.
Legitimately - who is watching Utah games besides Utah lol
Just do the complete opposite. NBA champ gets the #1 pick.
warriors would be the nba champions for the last 10 years then
Tanking is literally good for the NBA. Franchises aren’t condemned to be shit forever. Good teams fall apart quickly, parity reigns and everyone gets at least some watchable bball for a few seasons. I think tanking is better than the alternatives of shit teams being forced to win in any capacity; they’ll just stay down while the rich get richer.
Marks is on a crusade this week.
Feels like manufactured outrage to an extent. Don’t get me wrong tanking sucks but I refuse to believe people care this much, this isn’t anything new it’s just an amazing draft class
To an extent, but also the Jazz pulling dudes for fourth quarters also pissed a lot of people off, fairly or not
How much do you think OKC is paying him for this
Pacers refuse to tank for 20 years, but the ONE time they even attempt the league decides its just too much. Fuck Silver, Fuck the draft, fuck the lottery.
They’ve been trying to address concerns with the lottery for years. They’ve just reached a point where they’re willing to make more drastic changes.
I don’t get what you’re worked up about exactly. They’re not gonna change the rules for this draft, you’re still gonna have good odds for a great prospect.
Would it be hard to just have a three strike system where you lost place in lottery on third strike? Biggest issue is nuance is lost today so people would demand concrete rules for strikes.
But bullshit like benching starters in a good game should be obvious. It also can’t be hard to have a league doctor check in on the teams with strange lingering injuries.
I feel like that would be a pretty hard system to implement
Defining what tanking is concretely isn’t easy with how many things teams can do. And you definitely can’t just hand out strikes on a whim
Don’t really think it’s a great idea to let the league determine what counts as a strike. Stuff like what the Jazz did is egregious, but then you have to start going through every little game that a good player misses for one of these teams.
Are MPJ and Claxton actually incapable of playing when the Nets sit them out? Same with a team like the Wizards and holding Alex Sarr, AD, and Trae out. Most of these guys do have chronic injury issues, but determining whether or not they could play through it is so subjective (there’s no doctor that will be able to give you a definitive answer on this).
Watch the league just arbitrarily award end of the season wins to the Kings or Jazz to fuck them in the lottery odds lmao
All of their games get reviewed. Each game decided to have been tanked results in a win. Jazz and Wizards finish the season as #1 seeds in their respective conferences.
You know what… I love it! Bankrupt the system! Wiz in 5.
They obviously can’t do that. Whatever the league decides to do isn’t going into effect this season
One way to fix tanking is to remove the draft. Still have a rookie salary cap and slots for 1st overall salary, second overall, seventh overall, etc. But AJ can field offers from a few teams offering first overall comp.
It would count against the cap and still put you above the aprons.
Maybe a couple teams are offering 4th pick money for Caleb Wilson. Another team can offer 1st pick money to him instead. Now he has a choice - does he want more money or does he prefer one of the other orgs.
Does a draft pick want to come off the bench in a playoff-contending rotation, or do they want to be top dog in a rebuild?
Basically NIL, but capped and for the pros.
If I’m the #1 pick why would i go to the fucking Wizards or Jazz then. I’m going to the Clippers because they will pay me 50mil under the table, or the Lakers/Knicks for long term brand deals
nobody would join bad teams then
Tanking has existed since the beginning of sports. Since the beginning of the NBA.
Tanking isn’t the actual problem, it’s the new CBA that’s the problem. It’s ruining basketball.
Also load management is causing more players to be injured, not less.
Tanking is only a problem in sports where draft picks are tied to losing… maybe it’s time to get rid of it. Flatten the odds completely or remove the draft and do rookie free agency with a hard cap
It’s only US sports that have incentives for preforming bad in the season
Tanking is getting worse as more teams are doing it and they’re starting earlier. We used to see teams shut guys down after the allstar break but now they’re starting it in January.
They’ll never fully eliminate tanking but they need to make it somewhat less appealing b
‘Tanking has existed since the beginning of sports’ yeah bro Greece was totally tankmaxxing in the first few Olympic Games to get the #1 pick and select the elite javelin guy
You people just say random shit to sound like you know what you’re talking about
No top 7 pick in consecutive years.
as long as it doesnt affect this season and draft whatever, but enacting major changes midseason would be crazy
Bobby Marks is just mad that he made a trade with Danny Ainge so bad that it got him blackballed from any GM job.
ESPN talking heads are all hacks.
Invest extremely and rebrand the ‘G-League’ so we can introduce relegation and promotion like in football via the Premier League.
Decrease season game size as 82 is too many for everyone. Poor Teams are demoted. Champions and their opponents of the lower league are the First and Second picks. With the top picks going to all the sub leagues. Allow joining at 18 years old.
Easy fix… ban pick restrictions going forward (on any future trades). And then introduce the draft wheel where teams are assigned picks in order for the next 20 years. Weakest teams of the past five seasons get weighted higher to start but it all balances in then end.
Incoming lottery team tournament for the first pick
I can already tell whatever they will do it’s going to be a disaster
Alright guys, this is our moment. We’ve been in the lab on this one. Who’s gonna hit em with the med-school matching model? Or how about the mandatory pick trading scheme?
As usual, Marks sharing absolutely nothing of substance
I just want you all to know, whatever they do it’s always bad. They haven’t ever fixed this product.
I heard a guy saying it could be easily fixed if they get rid of the lottery. Then it would take away the incentive for teens with losing records to tank If they’re not close to the worst record.
RELEGATION BABY! SEND THE KINGS TO THE G LEAGUE
or hear me out….promotion/relegation system?
Rookie free agency, worst record gets 20mil best gets 8mil, max offer is 120% of rookie scale.
Just abolish the draft and allocate funds based on performance. With a draft and lottery there’s always going to be tanking, especially since you won’t reduce the number of games.
I mean..The league gives the #1 pick to team that they want anyways. Dallas..San Antonio for example.
It’s simple the bottom three teams get relegated to the G league and the top G league teams get promoted to the NBA just like the Premier league
Get rid of max contracts and then the talent level will disperse more evenly
Adam Silver, get it done
The easiest/laziest fix is to reverse wins and losses for lottery order in the last 20ish games
Pure lottery LFG
Bobby Marks and the tanking topic is like Sham’s and the Giannis trade. Boring hearing it always from the same guy on his soap box.
Doubt any solution they come up with will be better than getting a top pick. Unless you have a relegation/promotion system like in soccer, teams will be okay with getting fined to have a chance at players like the flaggs and wembys out there.
Relegation has a parity problem.
Teams that don’t make the play in do not share in tax revenue.
Teams that do make the playoffs, every player, coach and staff gets $100k (out of the tax revenue no longer going to losers)
Teams caught tanking (like this week) lose their lottery odds
No more complicated pick protections in trades. Top 4, or lottery.
Make the bottom 5 get worse odds than the 15 lottery teams.
SIMPLEST SOLUTION
randomized 15 game stretch for each team where wins count toward lottery odds instead of losses
prove it wrong
Why do they want to fix George Hamilton?
My hot take is that the lottery, maybe even the whole draft should be totally random.
Honestly the best solution I saw which was taken from another pro league somewhere is to eliminate the play in tournament and have a points system where when a team is out of playoff contention they can start getting points for draft position with wins. So a team that’s awful and is out of playoff contention early is motivated to keep trying to win and rack up as many wins as they can so they get a good draft position and teams that are just outside of playoff contention keep pushing because it’s too late for them to get a good draft position.
So a team can tank early in the season and then stop tanking ??
Will never work. When they changed the odds they played themselves. Now you have multiple teams using loose injury designations to be in the runnings