The Orlando Magic have had a prolonged struggle on the offensive side of the court, dating all the way back to the firing of Stan Van Gundy in 2012.

In fact, since then, they’ve never had a top 20 offensive rating (according to basketball-reference). When there are only 30 teams in the league, that’s difficult to do.

That streak appeared destined to finally be broken this year, as the rising team added a sharpshooter in Desmond Bane. Unfortunately, the offense is still semi-clogged. The Magic are still only shooting 34.0% from three as a team (dead last in the league) and still only rank 21st in offense. (I imagine this may change later on, but that means it’s a good time to break out this ol’ stat!)

OFFENSIVE RATING (according to basketball-reference)

2012-13: 27th

2013-14: 29th

2014-15: 27th

2015-16: 21st

2016-17: 29th

2017-18: 25th

2018-19: 22nd

2019-20: 23rd

2020-21: 29th

2021-22: 30th

2022-23: 26th

2023-24: 22nd

2024-25: 27th

2025-26: 21st (only 52 games in)

QBert999 | Lakers

234 | 7 hours ago

kind of impressive to be lousy for that long.

nowhathappenedwas | NBA

80 | 6 hours ago

The Kings had had a DRTG 20th or below for 17 straight years from 2007 to 2023.

ZandrickEllison

56 | 7 hours ago

Not coincidentally, all of their coaching hires in that time (Jacques Vaughn, Frank Vogel, Steve Clifford, Jamahl Mosley) were known as defensive minded coaches.

MisterMihai

10 | 4 hours ago

As a Browns fan, I can tell you these kinds of results take full organizational buy in and a shared vision to achieve.

classicslayer | Magic

94 | 7 hours ago

Its because the FO is infamous for prioritizing traits that are hard to measure and easy to praise over traits that actually decide games and it shows on the court.

QuileGon-Jin | Thunder

21 | 7 hours ago

Oh, like what? Genuinely curious

Gamesgtd | Magic

96 | 7 hours ago

Good looking. Type of fellow you’d let hang out with your daughter. Long arms. Great character. Standout guy. Real salt of the earth. You know those traits.

poastertoaster | Jazz

37 | 7 hours ago

Doesn’t have an ugly girlfriend

QuileGon-Jin | Thunder

38 | 6 hours ago

“Ugly girlfriend means no confidence” is one of the funniest lines ever in a sports movie

absolute_cinema81 | Warriors

1 | an hour ago

Kid’s so confident his dick gets there two minutes before he does

kms_daily

12 | 6 hours ago

wow…yea they 100% should’ve stuck with measurable stats such as cock length and girth

devotedhero | Wizards

1 | an hour ago

Great. Looks like I’m going undrafted.

Nugur

6 | 5 hours ago

Long arms? Isn’t bane on the team?

Gamesgtd | Magic

3 | 3 hours ago

Swole. Exception to the rule.

birdflag

5 | 7 hours ago

Gym rats? First in last outs? Dare I even say, gritty, lunch pail players?

jaman715 | Cavaliers

4 | 5 hours ago

“Yeah we’ve got the longest arms in the league!” -Orlando Magic’s Desmond Bane

classicslayer | Magic

50 | 7 hours ago

Whenever you listen the Orlando magic FO speak to the media they always say things like work ethic, coachability, unselfishness, and versatility which is good but those are all supporting traits not primary skills.

largehearted | Celtics

16 | 6 hours ago

Meh, I think every team says similar things, employs scouts who think much more granularly than that, employs decisionmakers who involve their own subjective judgments, and typically greatly involves the thinking of the coach. Then the coaching staff plays a huge role in the development including thru the ways and amount they ultimately use the player in game. I don’t think you should worry about which buzzwords they say to the press.

I’d be shocked if any of the 30 front offices doesn’t pay scouts for reports that include small details and large-scale conclusions. They all do different things with these.

DeyZent | Magic

10 | 6 hours ago

Bamba, Isaac, Cole Anthony , Chuma Okeke, Jett Howard. enough said

BiteyHorse | Warriors

10 | 6 hours ago

Consistently picking idiots is impressive.

NOT_H1M

2 | 3 hours ago

Dating back Last 3 season ²⁰²⁵⁄₂₀₂₆ ²⁰²⁴⁄₂₀₂₅ ²⁰²³⁄₂₄

In 1944 minutes With Franz on and Paolo off the magic have 119 offensive rating and in a 32 game sample size since ²⁰²³⁄₂₄ in games Franz plays without Paolo the magic are 21-11 (65% win rate)

In the 10 games Paolo missed this szn this “terrible offensive personnel” and terrorist offensive coach Mosley they had a 120 offensive rating.

nbaistheworst

63 | 7 hours ago

Mosley has proven that he isn’t an above average coach. The team’s injuries aren’t his fault, but the lack of offense during his tenure is conclusive.

brickvanexel | Celtics

28 | 7 hours ago

Looks like Ime’s situation with the rockets from the outside, great defensive coach who can’t scheme a working offense, even though he may not have the best personnel for it the results have to be better than they’ve been

Herakleios | Magic

13 | 5 hours ago

Except the Magic’s defense this year has been… average? If he could consistently keep the team at a top 5 defense it would be one thing, but this year the defense is honestly the bigger issue than the offense.

Yeah 21st on offense is not good, but it’s sadly much much better than what we were last year, and if we had last years #2 defense we’d probably be the #2 or #3 team in the east. Instead we’ve got the 14th best defense.

Arixxtra

2 | 3 hours ago

they lost some good def player and replaced them with rookies to that will drop you, No KCP or garry harris for def on guards or small forwards

brickvanexel | Celtics

1 | 2 hours ago

What do you think has caused the defensive slip? Last year’s Magic seemed more connected but the personnel isn’t hugely different

tulaero23 | Timberwolves

7 | 5 hours ago

Dude is getting saved by KD’s iso lmao.

MWiatrak2077 | Pistons

26 | 7 hours ago

Hey man are you still doing that thing where because you got a wildcard playoff game wrong 8 years ago you still won’t post on r/NFL

ZandrickEllison

51 | 7 hours ago

Of course. A man is nothing without his dumb principles.

MWiatrak2077 | Pistons

13 | 7 hours ago

Free yourself man it’s a long offseason and all the other content on there is terrible

clear831 | Heat

2 | 4 hours ago

/nfl content is worse than /nba content, i dont blame them for never going back.

dirtyshits | Warriors

1 | 7 hours ago

This is reddit, brother. Not a PO’s office. You will be fine if you join us again.

bubbasnub | Magic

18 | 7 hours ago

Hell yeah!

Consistency!

jonathanisaacisgoat | Magic

19 | 7 hours ago

Posting this in the middle of a win streak brodie coulda posted this last week and got easy karma

ZandrickEllison

34 | 7 hours ago

Need to slip it in before you’re fully healthy and crack that sweet sweet 15 range.

OneThemBoysFromHT

27 | 7 hours ago

An incredible win streak against 2 blatantly tanking teams (were losing to the Jazz before they benched their good players) and a Giannis-less Bucks

jonathanisaacisgoat | Magic

-28 | 7 hours ago

“If my aunt has wheels she’d be a bike” ahhh comment

Adorable-Bike-9689

15 | 7 hours ago

To say y’all have been mediocre against everybody but the worst teams in the league for two months? There’s been 3-4 quality wins. Thank goodness you played the Heat so many times

DalliLlama | Heat

7 | 7 hours ago

I have nothing to add other than I love that your username could be the bike OP is talking about.

jonathanisaacisgoat | Magic

-2 | 7 hours ago

Buddy I’ve been watching this team all season long I know they’re mediocre asf no one is saying otherwise

Zeeron1 | Thunder

1 | 6 hours ago

“ahhh”

AnabolicOctopus

1 | 4 hours ago

Orlando ain’t doing much in the playoffs, it won’t matter how many win streaks they have against tanking teams lol. You need to start holding your players accountable tbh.

Adorable-Bike-9689

15 | 7 hours ago

An incredibly unimpressive win streak. After a pathetic last month. I think NBA fans as a whole are disappointed in them.

jonathanisaacisgoat | Magic

-7 | 7 hours ago

I don’t care if we beat the 2012 bobcats 3 times during this win streak lol wins are wins, no where in my OG comment did I say it was a good or impressive win streak idk why yall so heated in these comments

Electronic_Pea_4845

1 | 7 hours ago

Magic are really good when they are allowed to play rugby goon ball

AnabolicOctopus

2 | 4 hours ago

LMAO a 3 game winning streak against the 15-37 Nets, the tanking Jazz, and Gianiss-less Bucks bruh that’s kind of a stretch ngl.

PrimeTimeInc | Hornets

-1 | 7 hours ago

Also just casually ignoring the substantial improvement (with Franz missing some time)

way2gimpy | Nets

14 | 7 hours ago

I watched a good part of that Orlando - Milwaukee game. It was rough. It doesn’t seem like anything has changed over the last season and a half, despite bane coming in.

No_Caramel_1782 | Wizards

10 | 6 hours ago

Glass half full: This is the best offense they’ve had in the last 10 years.

ZandrickEllison

7 | 6 hours ago

And exactly tied with the 73 win Warriors (at 114.5 points per 100 possessions)! Shows how far offense has come.

RayePappens | PHI

7 | 6 hours ago

PB no J is a hilarious nickname

Dreamlion_Inc | Wizards

6 | 7 hours ago

I honestly had Orlando as my 5th seed this season. They’re around it but it feels like they’d still get smacked in the playoffs if it were to happen now

Feels bad

Strong_Bumblebee5495 | Raptors

6 | 7 hours ago

They will be better with Franz back

DeyZent | Magic

11 | 6 hours ago

he still doesn’t fix our shooting issues at all. this team would get cooked in the playoffs if they can’t improve the 3pt shooting margin which they’ve clearly shown they can’t do all season

wobmaster

3 | 4 hours ago

i would think with how much franz drives to the rim, him being there, should give bane more space and more open 3s, which he then hopefully converts at a higher rate.
Also if Mo keeps shooting 3s at over 40% like he is at the moment, that helps.

XrayGuy08 | Magic

2 | 6 hours ago

Better but not great.

Past-Astronaut7195

5 | 6 hours ago

They were my dark horse pick going into the year, and I even argued on some threads that Paolo would be a fringe 3rd Team All NBA candidate.

I was wrong. And I apologize to everyone I downvoted for disagreeing with me.

Sorry I missed it.

Now I’m just confused at the Magic and frustrated. I’m a Spurs fan and wanted them to be my Eastern team.

unwisest_sage | Magic

9 | 6 hours ago

Our players just aren’t improving. Everyone always assumes players are going to get better but for some reason that needs to be identified our players just aren’t. It’s been that way with the magic for a while now.

EssentIYO

3 | 6 hours ago

PB, AB, Franz, and Suggs have all improved. lol.

Andarte | PHI

3 | 3 hours ago

Genuine question: what would you say Banchero has improved at? I don’t watch the Magic play often, but he looks mostly the same when I do (notable is that he looks like the same player on D). Stats say he’s marginally ore efficient on offense, but that seems to be elevated foul rate on less and worse shooting. He’s not turning into the offensive engine I think a lot of people thought he would, and he looks stagnant.

I am not a Paulo believer, and think Wagner is the real potential star there, but again I am outside looking in.

Maxvexists | Magic

2 | 6 hours ago

I mean Franz has improved looking like a real number 1 option nearing his prime, ab is becoming a real offensive threat with potential to be a true 3 level score, Suggs playmaking rebounding and defense just keep getting better. Main issues is we don’t have a 3nd wing off the bench a mid center rotation and the elephant being a down year for Paolo.

lloopiN

4 | 7 hours ago

I’m not even going to lie, they were one of my picks to win the east this season with guys like Tatum and Haliburton being out lol

Zeeron1 | Thunder

3 | 6 hours ago

Jfc that is miserable lol

No_Swimming_9472 | Magic

3 | 6 hours ago

Jeff Weltman should be let go and never work as a GM again. He is a total fraud that doesn’t understand modern NBA offense and team building.

DigitMZ | Celtics

3 | 6 hours ago

This feels like a team that could’ve used a Chris Paul to beat the offense into shape. This year’s Chris Paul… probably not.

StanVanGhandi | Magic

2 | 5 hours ago

The season is already over? Don’t we have like 40% of the season left and (hopefully) the playoffs?

Minute_Elephant_3218

2 | 4 hours ago

I didn’t think their offense would be good this year but I did expect their defense to be better

Str8_up_Pwnage | Magic

2 | 4 hours ago

If you put the 1992 Dream Team in a Magic uniform they would be a bottom 10 offense. It’s a curse.

NOT_H1M

2 | 3 hours ago

Shackles of Banchero

HokageEzio | Knicks

1 | 7 hours ago

Gonna be hard to maintain once everybody gets healthy, but I believe in the streak

DeyZent | Magic

2 | 6 hours ago

Franz is the only one not full healthy and he’s never been a good 3pt shooter , so i believe too

Kevin_Finnerty407 | Magic

1 | 7 hours ago

We haven’t been healthy

XrayGuy08 | Magic

3 | 6 hours ago

Okay Weltman.

Kevin_Finnerty407 | Magic

2 | 6 hours ago

I mean hes right

XrayGuy08 | Magic

3 | 6 hours ago

Yes and That’s been the case for years now. Half the league isn’t healthy. It’s a terrible excuse.

Kevin_Finnerty407 | Magic

3 | 6 hours ago

Our best player just missed 2 and a half months, our best bench scorer was out for 13 months, the best POA defender and playmaking guard we have has missed 20 games this year. Paolo missed 10 when everyone was healthy. Like cmon have some common sense.

XrayGuy08 | Magic

2 | 5 hours ago

Again, it’s the same excuse every year though. Even when healthy, this team is not a championship contender. Better than 3 games over .500? Yes. But they aren’t winning anything significant. If you believe otherwise, you’re delusional.

Kevin_Finnerty407 | Magic

2 | 2 hours ago

We haven’t been healthy for two years. The year before we won 47 games with our main guys being on rookie contracts. We’re still super young. Sucks it hasnt materialized but I believe in this core

XrayGuy08 | Magic

1 | 2 hours ago

You have more faith than I do. I hope you’re right and that I’m wrong.

gashndash

2 | 2 hours ago

I thought Bane was the missing piece?

OUEngineer17 | Nuggets

0 | 7 hours ago

Should we expect more from the personnel they have? There are a ton of extremely good offensive players in the NBA.

XrayGuy08 | Magic

8 | 6 hours ago

Realistically? More? Yes. Championship? No.

squirtles_urethra | Knicks

0 | 7 hours ago

Ya maybe they shouldve gotten a point guard made of something besides glass instead of shelling out a bunch of picks for desmond bane

despite high expectations, the Orlando Magic have ranked in the bottom 10 in offensive rating for the 14th straight season