I think both of those guys needed to go to tanking teams where they could’ve had the green light to chuck the ball

That or accept 6th man roles on short or cheap contracts

i mean i’d imagine both teams believed those guys similar potential at the time of picking them, just doesn’t work out sometimes. they were both rebuilding at the time and it’s usually worth a shot

“Sources” https://youtu.be/MPQAuWG2qo4?si=Pg2Z24ULxvBrF7Wt

Ayo is great but has a ceiling. The absolute peak is Sam Cassell, but likely not really there. He doesn’t run a team great, but does all the little things. He’s not a great playmaker, but can get to the hoop and make open above the break 3s. Great guy to have on a playoff team, but never going to be a go to scorer in the NBA.

No one gives a flying fuck about that lmfao 😂

The market for Mathurin is definitely not $25-30m, despite what he would want.

I’m aware he’s a RFA. I’m aware IND doesn’t want to pay him. And I’ll take the under on Mathurin getting a long-term deal for \(25-\)30 million/year.

Seems like bulls are trying to reset their young player timeline. I doubt they trade for a restricted free agent that needs to be paid 25 to 30 mil and get rid of similar production for cheaper in Ayo. They will probably get into a Giddey situation were they can dictate negotiations simply based on the financial flexibility of the other teams in the league

That is wayyyy too much for Mathurin man

That’s more of a roster fit issue than a talent issue with Mathurin. He’s worth that money for the right team.

Correct. Hart is not a key piece long term whether okc fans like it or not. We also could not shoot either during the playoffs. Now OKC is currently having issues with playmaking due to injury. However it’s a good thing cuz that means our non playmakers have incentive to improve. People are underrating the use of Mathurin on your team currently who id love to have as a rental

Yes completely. If he’s on he can take over games but if his shot isn’t falling he’s not good enough on defense or as a playmaker to be a positive player.

He’s definitely made strides though and DOES improve every year and works really hard to get better.

This is the difference between him and Cam Thomas in my mind. Mathurin will continue to get better throughout his career because he’s super competitive and isn’t a head case at all. You will never have to worry about his effort.

I mean he’s not bad but stylistically ayo is just an infinitely better fit on their roster

Mathurin is a better pure scorer but hasn’t developed like people has hoped…whereas Ayo is definitely a more positive impact, efficient, two way player who can help any team’s rotation instantly.

I’ve been an Ayo fan for a while waiting for him to get a bigger role

Talking about next year, if the pacers keep ayo that’s a significant upgrade on top of a top 5 draft pick, they’ll be significantly better

Hard disagree with the idea that the Vuc trade was fine, I don’t think it makes Boston any better at all for the rest of this year and we just traded the 31-33rd pick in the draft to do it, bad business

Snatched right off that beautiful neck im afraid

We went from “Vooch has no trade value or suitors” to getting what basically amounts to a late first for him, it’s honestly a miracle

You snatched brads chain just accept it, the bulls front office is officially fetch AND chic