Headlesshorsman02 | Thunder

355 | 3 hours ago

They did what the raptors wouldn’t which is make the trades before their values tanked due to contracts running down and what not. The raps held onto Siakam and OG a year too long and got far less then they should have in return

TN5404 | Grizzlies

84 | 3 hours ago

Well Ja value has bottomed out but we got a ton for bane and Jaren

zmegadeth | Grizzlies

112 | 3 hours ago

The Ja drop off was too sudden to get a chance to get appropriate value for him. Hindsight is ²⁰⁄₂₀ but if we had traded him when it would have been best, the fan base would have revolted

Potential_Lock6945

30 | 3 hours ago

Oh I would have stormed the FedEx forum if we traded ja at his peak

TN5404 | Grizzlies

26 | 3 hours ago

Oh no doubt. Ja was his own worst enemy man I know how this sub is about him now, but he was a legit stud and everyone thought he was gonna be a star for a longtime

Turbo2x | WAS

1 | 5 minutes ago

At least their experience with Ja informed how they should handle Bane and JJJ. The Wizards lost John Wall and spent 5 years fucking around hoping Beal would carry them to the play-in, then gave him a quarter of a billion dollars.

MikeConleyIsLegend | Grizzlies

74 | 3 hours ago

the Raps were so annoying about their trades oh my God. all they would do is bait teams into their players and then say actually we’re good here. i’m pretty sure we offered something like 5 firsts for OG a few years ago.

iDareToDream | Raptors

39 | 3 hours ago

3 firsts for OG was your offer which is still nuts.

rdallas77

23 | 3 hours ago

Masai must’ve thought he was Jordan lol

iDareToDream | Raptors

8 | 2 hours ago

Yea it’s criminal what he did. Lost FVV for nothing and got scraps for Siakam in the end.

Manthan10 | Pacers

3 | an hour ago

Couldn’t even get B-Math or J-Walker from us?

YSLAnunoby | Raptors

1 | 29 minutes ago

I really wanted Nembhard or Jarace in the deal or even Sheppard but we got the worst prospect who was almost 26 year old at the end of his rookie deal

Manthan10 | Pacers

1 | 28 minutes ago

Bruce Brown

YSLAnunoby | Raptors

1 | 8 minutes ago

Brown was just the salary filler for Pascal, he wasn’t the sweetener and was expected to be swung again as a salary fillet because he had value as a big expiring. Which we ended up taking up the team option and sending him to Nola in the BI deal, but he wasn’t a prospect or anyone who was going to stay long term

iDareToDream | Raptors

1 | 28 minutes ago

We had zero leverage. Siakam was an expiring and it was a mid-season trade. You had Masai over a barrel to just get anything at all. It’s different if it happened in the offseason before.

Manthan10 | Pacers

1 | 28 minutes ago

Still managed to get 3 1sts

Coattail-Rider

1 | 7 minutes ago

They waited too long without a commitment from Siakam, didn’t they? Giannis is still under contract next year but the Bucks aren’t waiting until the last minute to trade him.

YSLAnunoby | Raptors

1 | 28 minutes ago

I wouldn’t have been surprised if we wanted to keep Fred and negotiate then Houston threw the massive bag at him we couldn’t really match and that threw things off

iDareToDream | Raptors

1 | 23 minutes ago

I’m not a cap expert but I’m wondering why he wasn’t extended. There must have been a difference in the number that held things up and then Houston blindsided them.

YSLAnunoby | Raptors

1 | 10 minutes ago

From my understanding the extension number was too low compared to what Fred could get as an FA because the contract we had him on was much lower than his impact. There’s a cap on the amount you can raise a player for an extension that isn’t the rookie max so he went to FA. It’s similar to the Lakers situation right now with Austin Reaves, he is making so little currently that they can’t extend him to a number that would be reasonable for his production so he’s going to FA

YSLAnunoby | Raptors

1 | 31 minutes ago

I mean you look at 3 firsts from the ascending grizzlies would have all been later firsts so I get why they didn’t value them as much. I think it made sense to go for 2 good players who are known vs probable late firsts that are harder to gauge especially with Scottie being so good out the gate. The one I didn’t like was Pascal because even though it worked out we couldn’t have gotten any of the young Pacers guys but their worst prospect who was 26 at the end of his rookie deal

iDareToDream | Raptors

1 | 27 minutes ago

End of the day the return was lower because Masai waited a year too long because he was sentimental. If we’re clear on the ceiling of the team he had to act a year earlier.

YSLAnunoby | Raptors

1 | 13 minutes ago

I still do think that there’s a world where OG stays and he fits perfectly as the 2nd forward with Scottie because of his skillset and being more an on ball defender to compliment Scottie’s strengths being a disruption terror inside and his 3 pointer. So I understand waiting to trade him for that reason when it only became evident he wanted out and was not trying as much. Pascal I think should have been moved sooner but I still can see why things happened the way they did because of a lot of experimentation going on with his skills. I think the biggest problem was the fact that FO messed up with their extensions ending the same time instead of having the foresight to try and get them ending different years to have more leverage and not turn the team into panick mode having to make moves at the same time or risk both leaving for nothing

Fluffytheman69

2 | an hour ago

They were late ass first picks thats why they got turned down

MainAd2728 | Washington Bullets

-4 | 3 hours ago

That would’ve been such a disaster for you guys. 5 firsts for a high end role player is a franchise-killing move

MikeConleyIsLegend | Grizzlies

14 | 3 hours ago

i mean at the time we were coming off back to back 2 seeds. Ja Bane OG JJJ Stevo would have been a monster lineup.

kingcong95 | Warriors

6 | 2 hours ago

I remember the Raps getting lauded for turning that down because of how late the Grizzlies picks were going to be. And also the Nets when the Grizzlies made a similar offer for Bridges right after he was traded there.

YSLAnunoby | Raptors

1 | 24 minutes ago

Yeah I think people definitely look at the number of firsts and don’t consider that especially for a team trading to get better and fill gaps, they aren’t as valuable. I think also the idea of trading for players is you know they’re a known quantity and don’t need to develop them as much when Scottie is good enough that you can pivot and try to win instead of doing a longer rebuild. Did they make some mistakes? Yeah I think they messed up with the cost for Thad and Jakob picks and not getting a prospect back from the Pascal trade. But overall I like the process of getting IQ and RJ, even if the contract for IQ is more expensive than I thought he should have gotten (he got around 32 mil/year when I thought he’s more 25-27 mil/year player)

thatgreik | BOS

2 | 2 hours ago

OG would have been a terrific complement to the Ja/Bane/JJJ trio imo

Way too steep a price there, though

drjisftw | Pacers

9 | an hour ago

The Raptors slowly bled talent post championship, but in hindsight they looked really solid the year afterwards, enough to take Boston to 7 in the Conference Semis.

PaintTouches | Raptors

7 | 2 hours ago

Damn catching strays, that hurt. Btw we also got royally screwed with kawhi leaving (and you guys benefited massively)…without that happening this all may look a lot different

slammaster | Raptors

1 | 32 minutes ago

I don’t think it’s fair to say we got screwed by Kawhi leaving. We traded for a guy that was about to be a UFA and had expressed no interest in staying.

The trade was never presented as a longterm acquisition

TokiVideogame

1 | 3 hours ago

they could still tank for a decade vs having a good team, ie wizards

Nausicaataos | Grizzlies

78 | 3 hours ago

The Bane trade paid for itself the first time I saw Ced play. The JJJ trade wasn’t a godfather offer, but it’s solid and would’ve been less next year because of his deal. And the trade exception might net another protected pick.

This team has been a drag for two years. I have hope.

TN5404 | Grizzlies

32 | 3 hours ago

Jaren making 50 million a year is insane

drjisftw | Pacers

13 | an hour ago

I think this CBA has thought us that even if players are core parts of your defense, that level of money should be reserved for offensive production at the end of the day. I think we’ll see a similar opinion on Mobley if he doesn’t take the offensive jump.

Gobert is making 35M annually, that’s a lot easier to digest.

IhamAmerican | Jazz

1 | 5 minutes ago

The fact that Goberts contract is now not only palatable, but arguably one of the best deals for a player of his caliber/archetype is wild to me. Salaries just keep going up in ways that feel unsustainable

covered1Nbutter

1 | 15 minutes ago

Yeah, the second he signed that extension it doomed that team. He’s a fine player. But not worth that amount. He was fun to watch but glad we moved on.

Headlesshorsman02 | Thunder

7 | 3 hours ago

With how you guys draft this many bites at the apple is only a good thing for your rebuild you guys always find diamonds in the rough in the 2nd round so I can just imagine what you can do with extra firsts

Someonediffernt | PHO

2 | 2 hours ago

You guys also honestly draft super well too, every year I feel like half the grizzly players get random ass season ending injuries and then you call up some 2 way who punches well above their weight. I’d be stoked about having all those picks if you can keep your FO in place

drjisftw | Pacers

2 | an hour ago

I think Memphis was in a prime position to take advantage of Orlando too since they desperately needed a floor spacer. It’s pretty apparent that there’s some inherent roster issues on the Magic and the coach will probably get axed this season.

Also to be completely honest, I don’t think Bane is worth the money. He’s a great sub All-Star player, but I don’t think 2-guards should be worth that much unless they’re all-NBA / can be expected to run your offense or defend your opponent’s best perimeter player.

At the time, I thought swapping him for KCP, who in theory could provide ²⁄₃ of Bane’s value at ²⁄₃ the cost, was a great move (although KCP is very clearly washed). But now it’s even easier to pivot to a rebuild with all of those picks.

DCoop53

1 | 2 hours ago

Seeing how things are going in Orlando, their 2026 pick could be way higher than expected too. Eastern bottom 4 is probably already set but the Magic better be careful because an 11th spot finish is far from looking incongruous

Briguy_fieri | Pelicans

1 | an hour ago

Must be nice

hummusluvr8 | Hornets

53 | 3 hours ago

Six draft picks is incredible. Great work to the grizzlies front office!

tinybathroomfaucet | Supersonics

22 | 3 hours ago

More than that. One pick already conveyed

Mobile-Entertainer60 | Thunder

5 | 2 hours ago

Plus a redraft on a lottery pick who’s been injured (Hendricks) and a rookie who looks like he’s at least a rotational player (Clayton). It’s a hard reset, for sure.

Superlolz

3 | 2 hours ago

Well job’s only half done. They need to do something with the assets to get back to be contenders again.

Lots of teams get hauls but most don’t convert it to remerge as a better team ala BOS and OKC.

raftguide | Grizzlies

31 | 3 hours ago

I definitely wouldn’t say we fleeced anybody. Bane and JJJ are AllStar level players. But I am certainly pleased that the FO at least got a good return as we shift to tanking.

PeanutFarmer69 | Nets

18 | 2 hours ago

Bane is an all star level player? He was no where near the conversation in a weak eastern conference this year while being completely healthy

masterpierround | Grizzlies

1 | 25 minutes ago

This is also the first year in his entire career that he’s been below league average from an efficiency standpoint. Must be something in the Orlando water smh.

Salty_Reserve9640

2 | an hour ago

Bane is a fine player but one need only watch the Magic to see they were not one Bane away from being legit. They could have drafted Coward themselves and had a similar player for 1/5th the price and a ton of future firsts.

raftguide | Grizzlies

2 | 37 minutes ago

What I meant was that Bane had all the skills and past performance to think that he could have been having an AllStar caliber year, or that he might next year, and that was what Orlando was trying to trade for. His shooting struggles have absolutely been a surprise.

PeanutFarmer69 | Nets

1 | 21 minutes ago

He’s a very good player, but I consider him a quality starting nba player, not an all star level player, in the Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, Dillon Brooks category

tinybathroomfaucet | Supersonics

16 | 3 hours ago

Yeah I don’t think there was any fleecing. Good trades for all teams involved

drjisftw | Pacers

4 | an hour ago

Nah I think Memphis clearly won the trade more than Orlando did. Bane’s a great floor spacer, but it’s pretty apparent that he’s not going to solve all of the Magic’s problems.

Jamal Moshley is probably getting the axe and they’ll hope a new coach can solve their offensive issues. If that doesn’t work, they’ll have to look at trading some players. I think Suggs could be on the block, he’s not worth that money.

tinybathroomfaucet | Supersonics

1 | an hour ago

Too early to say. Like you said, a new coach or another trade might unlock the team’s potential.

AleroRatking | Vancouver Grizzlies

15 | 3 hours ago

Bane is an incredible haul for what we got for him.

JJJ I think is a fair haul.

braddeus | Heat

1 | 3 hours ago

Great returns, and at this rate the later Orlando picks are going to end up really valuable

FoolishPerformer | Warriors

0 | 3 hours ago

Is Orlando going to be that much worse than the rebuilding Grizzs in 2029?

onelegonedream | Grizzlies

5 | 3 hours ago

That’s 4 drafts from now. Just imagine if you asked yourself that question in the 2022 season about the Grizz and Magic but in reverse.

A lot can change in 4 seasons. Also the Magic players are have some injury problems the last two years between Suggs, Paolo and Franz.

drjisftw | Pacers

1 | an hour ago

It’s a fair gamble on Memphis’ part. Bane’s a great floor spacer, but it’s pretty apparent that he’s not going to solve all of the Magic’s problems.

Jamal Moshley is probably getting the axe and they’ll hope a new coach can solve their offensive issues. If that doesn’t work, they’ll have to look at trading some players. I think Suggs could be on the block, he’s not worth that money.

PathPrimary7162

1 | 22 minutes ago

In 2029, AB, P5, Franz and Suggs will be in their early prime years.

They all have all star potential, yes a team with 4 potential all stars will likely be better than a team with a bunch of 20-22 year old guys drafted picks 14-28.

37sms | Grizzlies

1 | 2 hours ago

The orlando trade waa supposed to be a fleece until phoenix way overperformed this season

b2thaza

25 | 3 hours ago

It is really nice to see an organisation be self aware. Yes we have a few (expensive) valuable players, but we are never winning anything of substance - so sell high and live to fight another day and try win the lottery to change your trajectory.

LamonicasHubster | Spurs

20 | 3 hours ago

this a sneaky good 2K team as well throw that joint into Big Edey and if they double its shooters everywhere

MikeConleyIsLegend | Grizzlies

12 | 3 hours ago

Clayton, Jerome, GG, Hendricks, Edey lineup gonna go crazy

reallinguy | Pistons

6 | 3 hours ago

a great tank command lineup also

MikeConleyIsLegend | Grizzlies

6 | 3 hours ago

Jerome has one of the best contracts in the entirety of the NBA. maybe we let him go full green light rest of the year and trade him in the offseason.

MainAd2728 | Washington Bullets

1 | 3 hours ago

I bet he gets traded to Minnesota for Rob Dilly + draft picks and yall sign Mike Conley after the Bulls waive him

MikeConleyIsLegend | Grizzlies

3 | 3 hours ago

would be huge

LamonicasHubster | Spurs

1 | 3 hours ago

you see the vision 🤝

LetThereBeFlashLight | Grizzlies

11 | 2 hours ago

Where you getting 55/yr number from? He’ll get 49 next year then 50.5, 52, 53.5. I’m sure your point remains but no need to just add 15 million to his contract to make your point.

ositola | Lakers

9 | 3 hours ago

It’s only a potential fleece if they hit on those picks, and honestly, Utah looks ready to compete next year with this team

sloBrodanChillosevic | Supersonics

-3 | an hour ago

I love JJJ but I don’t think he was an optimal target for Utah and as a result I’m still pretty low on them. He brings some adult defending to the table but he is one of the most head-down, look nowhere but the rim drivers I’ve ever watched.

Are the Jazz gonna start Ace/Lauri/JJJ at the 2-3-4? With Kessler at the 5? That team has negative ball movement. I saw a stat yesterday that said amongst 47 players who have averaged 20+ since a certain date, Lauri & JJJ are 46th & 47th in assists/game. Ace’s Assist rate on Basketball Reference shows he’s even less of a passer than those guys.

ositola | Lakers

3 | an hour ago

I said looks ready to compete, the offense will be something to figure out for sure, but I don’t think we can judge it by looking at the team that’s been tanking the whole season

Plus you’re missing that on defense, that front court of JJJ and kessler will be pretty hard to score on

Ok_cabbage_5695 | Kings

5 | 3 hours ago

Modern GM-ing isn’t about Ws or Ls it’s just about accumulating assets and kicking the can down the road so you can keep that job. Memphis GM understands the assignment for sure

Willem_Dafuq | 76ers

3 | 2 hours ago

I’ll say the same thing about this as I said about Sam Hinkie - its great GM’ing to get those picks and to set yourself up for success in the future. But the most important part of a rebuild is getting players who can play with all those picks. That’s why OKC succeeded, and the Sixers didn’t. We’ll see how Memphis does, but the ‘easy half’ of the rebuild is over.

CDSWDH

3 | 3 hours ago

Most 1st round picks don’t pan out

MikeConleyIsLegend | Grizzlies

5 | 3 hours ago

first round picks are everything to Memphis. we will NEVER get a star through FA or trading. it’s not hard to do, it’s impossible to do. so the only way to get stars is through the draft, and the only way to win is to have stars. i like this rebuild too because we already have a pretty strong base. Edey, Coward, Jerome, and Aldama can play on a title team. we just have to land a star or two in the next couple drafts.

CDSWDH

1 | an hour ago

I understand what you’re saying I’m just saying i think ppl kinda overvalue 1st round picks

Xsy | Jazz

1 | an hour ago

GMs value them, which make them valuable.

CDSWDH

1 | 42 minutes ago

I’m just talking about how most 1st round picks pan out

Early_Brush3053

1 | 32 minutes ago

they’re just talkin about how GMs value them

Various-Advantage229 | Hawks

1 | 9 minutes ago

Yeah it’s funny when fans are celebrating getting picks so much. The odds of drafting a jjj or ja is so low. You basically go from being mid them immediately ass then hope you’ll draft back to being mid again and repeat the cycle for every teams that doesnt attract free agents.

muddyklux

3 | 3 hours ago

Grizz team was pretty talented but the injuries were too much to overcome. I cant say they won the trades as Bane/JJJ are good in their own right but they did win as far as a setting themselves up for a rebuild

TitanTigers | Grizzlies

2 | 3 hours ago

The 28 million exception should be useful for something down the road too

kingcong95 | Warriors

1 | 2 hours ago

BRING OUT YOUR BUSTS

xWolfsbane | Grizzlies

2 | 3 hours ago

I’m more shocked that the jazz wanted JJJ, more so made a move to get better really.

Trade Temetrious next.

2222lil | DET

2 | 2 hours ago

the bane and JJJ trades allow them to trade Ja for peanuts, which it seems is what they’re gonna get. A lot easier to stomach getting little value for him when you got all these picks from the other guys

Silver_Push_3895 | Grizzlies

2 | an hour ago

Send my warmest regards to Zach beg you.

He has loyal employes indeed.

AfroManHighGuy

1 | 3 hours ago

This is a great return for trading players still playing well and have high value. Ja isn’t gonna get them much. It’s good they were able to get this much from JJJ and Bane

MikeConleyIsLegend | Grizzlies

1 | 3 hours ago

our best trade pieces left are Ja and Aldama. wonder if we sell.

Adha6303 | Vancouver Grizzlies

1 | 2 hours ago

Bane and JJJ getting 7 FRPs in a world where Luka and Trae got 1 total

Grizz are never signing their superstar, they gotta draft him. And this is their best chance to do so, sell high on your players when you realize they aren’t going to get a ring there. Even if it hurts (it does).

drjisftw | Pacers

1 | an hour ago

Premium 2-way players gets lots of draft assets - we saw it with Mikal Bridges too lmao.

Various-Advantage229 | Hawks

1 | 7 minutes ago

Length of contract left is important for value on the trade. Trae and luka could just walk shortly after the trades. You need a certain duration of the contract left to get a big haul

pocketmonsters | Kings

1 | an hour ago

What’s it like to have an owner & FO that knows how to manage assets?

ag_fan | Magic

1 | an hour ago

i agree that they got great value, but i will say in defense of orlando… yes we sent 4 picks, but one of those picks was essentially to get off the KCP contract.

i’ve always viewed that trade as 3 picks for bane (which is still great value for memphis).

i still like the trade for orlando, we just need a competent coach to organize our offense properly.

darren_meier

1 | 41 minutes ago

If they can move on from Ja for expirings and get even a single good first back (or even a first and a flyer on a young guy with some potential!), Memphis is gonna be stocked up pretty nicely for a rebuild around Coward/Edey. You’ve got Ty Jerome as a tank commander, I’ve seen worse plans for sure. Get your money under control and be that third party in deals, stash some bad contracts while you rebuild and collect draft assets for your trouble. If you truly believe in Iisalo, drafting young guys he can mold is a solid plan.

Outside-Sector9818

1 | 27 minutes ago

I wish the kangz were at least this level of competent 😔 Kings 2k dynasty for me it is…..

Fun_Mind1494

-1 | 3 hours ago

JJJ ain’t even great. He’s living off his rep from two seasons ago. He’s been an average starter at best this season.

The Grizzlies haul for Bane/JJJ is excellent