De’Aaron Fox on the Spurs only having 1 NBA All-Star when other contenders have 2: “Saw a team with the worst record in the league have an All-Star… When I was traded here, averaging 25, wasn’t an All-Star… I couldn’t care less.”
3rd worst record thank you very much
Oh I bet you DeAaron knows exactly who has the worst record right now lmao
Salt is his favorite condiment
My man is straight dium
Bucks I thought he meant has leading vote getter
Needed to pad out team “world”
I don’t think he’s lobbying to be an allstar here. He’s just saying he is happier to be on a better team that is winning than to be an allstar on a losing team. Don’t think you all need to analyze all the different teams and # of all stars, he’s just saying it’s not that important to him.
You don’t understand. The people on this subreddit have a tendency/leaning/compulsion toward turning any statement that is quoted into a debate about that statement. In this case there are now people arguing about what he DIDN’T say. You can’t stop them.
I mean you don’t have to have two all stars to be a good team. I don’t think Fox really has an argument over anyone who made AS team in the west, the west is stacked. Wolves only have one player too.
Also “other contenders have two” it’s literally just the Lakers and Thunder that have two all stars in the west? East isn’t really relevant because there’s a lot less talent there.
just the Lakers and Thunder
Nuggets also have 2 but it’s not many.
Forgot that Murray made his first all star team, still that’s a small selection of teams and by no means does every contender deserve to have 2 all stars.
It’s worth noting that it’s very possible Murray doesn’t even make the all star team if Jokic didn’t get hurt and miss time causing Murray’s averages to go up.
Jamal’s stats were the same with or without Jokic this season for what it’s worth.
Just saw something the other day that said he averaged 27.8 on 50/41/87 splits in the 12 game stretch without Jokic. He’s at 25.5ppg this season.
Which is still by far the best numbers of his career. He deserved allstar with or without Jokic this season.
Murray was almost certainly making allstar anyways (and it would have been a noticeable snub if he missed out even if Jokic had been healthy) but leading the team to wins in Jokic’s absence definitely made it a guarantee.
Yep, there are a lot of players in the West I would take to the ASG over him.
Fox has an argument over Lebron.
possibly? Lots of players have arguments over LeBron. He wouldn’t really have an argument over Kawhi which is who the last spot SHOULD have gone to.
Well now kawhi got the last spot…so far
Oh he 100% deserves it more than Lebron this season but yeah I agree there are a number of players that should’ve made over both.
Bruh not the hill to die on
He doesn’t at all
Too tired to argue with Mr Stockholm syndrome.
more than one actually.
Idk about fox cuz I don’t watch much spurs, but Kawhi and I’m sure a few others were definitely better than Bron this year, but the reality is All-star will always give legacy spots to superstars. Happened for dirk, Kobe, duncan, etc and will probably happen for Curry and kd as they get old too. It sucks for players that were fringe, but that’s just how it’s been
Curry was snubbed once early in his career, he is allowed an undeserved one on the way out imo.
No argument from me, he’s definitely in the tier of player who’s earned a few “undeserved” all stars at the end of his career.
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I’m not saying he hasn’t earned them, I meant in the future if/when he’s washed. Nothing but respect for the greatest shooter of all time here
the reality is All-star will always give legacy spots to superstars. Happened for dirk, Kobe, duncan, etc
Kind of funny then that Duncan missed the ASG in two separate years that he got MVP votes.
Duncan never got a legacy spot just dirk really, kobe got it from the fans which it kinda was a legacy spot ig but that could be applied to quite a few guys if we go off just fan voting
Well, Fox has not been an all star caliber player this season, that’s for sure. He’s been fine, but still a bit underwhelming and even frustrating compared to what I was hoping for … as a Spurs fan.
Isnt your coach running Castle as the main ball handler though?
I’ve watched the Spurs a lot this year, and Fox hasn’t been making the best decisions. Castle gets Wemby involved more than Fox does. He’s especially good at getting into the paint and either getting an easy bucket, or setting up Wemby for the lob.
>Castle gets Wemby involved more than Fox does. He’s especially good at getting into the paint and either getting an easy bucket, or setting up Wemby for the lob
This isn’t true at all. Castle and Wemby get like a maximum of 1 lob a game, and I imagine the actual average is much less than that. The Spurs in general are still terrible at getting Wemby the ball in the paint
Castle gets Wemby involved more than Fox is the main point. Fox plays 1 on 1 way too much for his skill level on such a talented team.
But isnt that the point of getting fox? To relieve some defende on Wemby?
Yes and no. I think you need capable shooters around Wemby, because every time he touches the ball within 15 feet of the basket, he’s getting doubled.
Fox is a below average 3pt shooter.
Well castle is worse
True, but he’s in his second year. Fox has been a bad 3pt shooter for a decade, and shoots them with the confidence of someone who is above average.
Castle gets Wemby involved more than Fox is the main point.
Castle has played more than 50% more minutes with Wemby than Fox has (without the other guard on the court.) The main reason is to stagger the two biggest stars on the team so that you can have one in at all times. Helps keep the pressure on the other team.
I get that. I’m talking about when they are playing together, though. Fox has tunnel vision and plays a lot of ISO ball.
You can say the same about Castle at times, also I’ve seen in the last few games they have been playing the 2 man game a lot more effectively (I mean fox and wemby), I think the chemistry is in development
It’s silly how much on-ball offensive freedom Castle has for that team. No reason at all for him to have a higher OnBall usage and more touches than Fox when there’s a significant gap in their offensive impact by every advanced metric out there.
Castle is a great player but the Spurs need to find a way to make him more useful off the ball like Dan Hurley did because the best version of the Spurs is with the ball in the hands of Fox and Harper on the perimeter
The Spurs have been taking a more substantial “develop players in season” approach than they ever did during the Big 3 era, which has admittedly taken some adjustment to as a Spurs fan.
My read is that the team isn’t entirely optimizing our game plan for winning games (though they’re obviously still winning), but instead they’re working towards developing players for 2-3 years down the line.
I think once we’re within ~20 games or so of the playoffs, we’ll start seeing Castle’s on-ball reps decrease while Fox’s increase, as I’m imagining that we’ll be relying on Fox more for the playoffs. But I could be wrong, and maybe the coaching staff simply sees, or is looking for, something that I’m not; I’m just a schlub screaming into the void on Reddit
Coz he can’t space For others.
Isn’t that an indictment on Fox?
No its called developing players
Is that allowed??? I thought if you had vets you were only allowed to use them!
(God, I hate this version of the Kings)
I hope yall find your way out of the desert, brother
Shit bro, California is always in a drought. As long as Vivek is in charge, we’re going to aridify anything we touch.
No it’s an indictment on Castle’s shooting.
Yeah this. Defenders will just sag off Castle if the ball is not in his hands. See how the Spurs defended Amen in the Rockets game.
No it’s a combination of developing Castle as a ball handler and Fox being better off ball than Castle is.
Well fox seems to be struggling with the off ball part.
Saying “Fox being better off ball than Castle is” isn’t “Fox is an elite off ball player”
No. I love Castle but a lot of us Spurs fans are kind of getting tired of seeing Castle being the primary ball handler
Fox and Harper have looked great when they are the ones handling the ball
Harper I agree with. Do you really think Fox has been good with the ball in his hands? His shot selection has been suspect. He doesn’t get Wemby the ball and is content with taking contested 3s too often.
I guess it depends on the situation, Fox hasn’t been crazy good but he also isn’t as bad as what you’re making him out to be.
It’s not a huge sample size but in the 10 games that Castle hasn’t played, Fox is averaging 25 pts, 6 asts, and 4 reb in those games. Last game alone vs the Magic he had 10 asts with Castle out.
I know the coaching staff is just trying to develop Castle into a more complete player and that’s fine
I don’t like his shot selection, especially down the stretch.
Castle has a high ceiling, and it’s worth giving him the ball. He, Wemby, and Harper are the future for the Spurs. Fox doesn’t fit the team all that well and likely doesn’t figure to be a prominent part of their future.
I get it, but the Spurs just signed Fox to a huge extension.
Of course Harper and Castle are the future but it makes no sense to sign a guy to the largest contract in franchise history and just have him off ball right now.
It’s not a coincidence that Fox performs way better when the ball is in his hands, when both Wemby and Castle were out, Fox was the main guy that helped keep this team afloat, he’s not some trash player that is a huge detriment and it sucks that fellow Spurs fans make him out to be just that
See, that’s the thing about Fox. He’s one of those guys who plays his best as the number one option, or at least a high usage 1b. The problem is that he’s not good enough to be that guy on a championship team.
Signing Fox to that extension was smart, even if they plan on trading him. Harper looks to be very promising, and Castle is making a leap, too. Fox being there as a safety net is not a bad thing, but I don’t think having him be “the guy” bodes well for Spurs either.
Kind of an awkward situation to me.
The team performs better when Fox is the ball main ball handler. Steph being the lead guard has been extremely frustrating to watch as of late.
No we don’t, Fox has to play off ball for spacing. Harper and Castle can get to the rack but aren’t shooters. Fox is filling the role and not complaining.
This is from 13 days ago, and since then Castle has put up 12/5/7 on 41/33/69. Even just watching the games it’s clear. The team performs better when Castle is not the lead guard.
A team as well rounded as the Spurs isn’t going to have a player go for 35 every night. Fox can get you that no problem but they probably won’t win the game
Fox has cracked 30 points just 3 times this season. The team would be even better if he’d score a little more (without worsening his efficiency).
doesn’t have as high of usage as he did in sac. when wemby and castle were out his numbers were similar to sac
I feel like I’m having déjà vu
Fox Has never been an all star caliber player. The time he got in was a ‘I guess him’ situation
As a kings fan this is why I’m glad we didn’t have to pay him that max. He just doesn’t have that “umph” to him that other all stars/stars have had. BUT we still don’t know what he can provide in the playoffs because he can be a matchup nightmare.
As a fan do u ever feel like he takes plays/games off?
We do suck this year and will suck for awhile but I look at the alternative…paying Fox 60 million a year and stuck as the 9⁄10 seed…yeahhhh this isn’t so bad now lol
bonus points for the correct “couldn’t care less”. not sure why people keep making this mistake.
not sure why people keep making this mistake.
Because “like I could care less/as if I could care less” is also logically correct, so people who’ve heard the phrase used that way will mix it up with just “I could care less”, which is wrong.
I’d argue in this case he actually could care less though
It’s an american thing
your wrong where the best countrie and their most jealous then us
lol
idc he kinda deserves to feel slighted bout that selection lmfao. not this season but the 23-24 season he was averaging 28/6/4/2 on great efficency while being on the 4th best team in the west and wasnt selected as a all star
I tell people this all the time, they forget about how great Fox & Sabonis and the team was in 23-24 too cause at the very end we had Monk & Kevin gone and barely slipped to 9th.
But both got snubbed when we held the 5th seed all season long while every team 1-11th, players with worst numbers than Fox and especially Sabonis, had a player at All Star. It’s all bullshit.
It’s why Sabonis still made All NBA that season, facts can’t be denied despite the dumb popularity contest of All Star selections.
That team with the worst record in the league had one all-star last year and made the finals.
I see his point, but also pascal is so obviously an all star.
I just upvoted a Bucks fan wtf
Such stupid logic. Siakam is balling despite the Pacers record.
And I know it’s the All-Star team for this season, but we just watched Siakam balling out and being a star level player that was one game away from winning a championship. This isn’t just some guy who randomly had a good statistical season and made the all-star game.
The All-Star game has always been in part a popularity contest and you become more popular when you make deep playoff runs. Fox should try that.
Pascal is way better than you bro. That’s why
Couldn’t care less but also goes out of his way to disrespect Pascal even though he’s in the East. Fox is always “too cool to care” for the camera, but actually in his feelings.
Just appreciate the correct grammar.
Maybe if he played like an all stars they would’ve given him the nod
Thats the main point. He’s the third option. Castle deserves the snub talk more if the spurs want a 2nd player
Yeah Castle is not the second option. It’s most definitely Fox as far as offense goes. Teams are catching on to how to guard Castle because he can’t shoot.
Sure seems like a timeshare for lead guard. Half of the games it seems like Fox takes a backseat and lets Castle cook.
i love Castle but that’s BS. Fox is still our second option and that’s even with Castle’s usage being higher than Fox while putting up worse numbers.
we’re misusing Fox on purpose right now to develop Castle’s guard abilities better. if Fox was playing in his proper role, there’s not a doubt in my mind that he’d be an all-star.
Coaches are smart. They can tell when a guy scoring 25 ppg on a bad team is indicative of true ability or just empty calories.
it’s cause you play in the west, man. it’s not exactly fair but it’s not personal either
It’s because Siakam is a better player than Fox
I guess it’s just about the win total and we aren’t playing winning basketball. But like, Siakam has proven he plays winning basketball in the playoffs but whatever. I’m biased anyways
i mean, that is also true, but honestly i do think it’s less important than the conferences thing
I don’t really think anyone on the Spurs besides Wemby deserves to be an All Star this season. Fox isn’t consistently putting up big numbers and Castle can’t shoot.
However, I am a little irked that Siakam got picked. I remember people saying Wemby couldn’t have been an All Star in his rookie year because his team was bad even though he sure as hell was playing well enough to be one.
Fox should just go full KD. It’s insulting to see him acting like he doesnt care on camera, when he really cares about stuff like this. His exit from Sacramento showed how thin of skin he really has.
This is normal Spurs fashion. Kawhi got his first all-star appearance 2 years after his first FMVP.
because he didn’t deserve to be an all-star in 2014 lmao
He didn’t even make it in 2015 when he was a top 5 player in the league
You would put him above LeBron, Curry, KD, Harden, and CP3 that year?
Kawhi was a 12.8ppg D&3 specialist when he won FMVP, though. He won DPOY and still wasn’t an All-Star the next year.
He won DPOY and didn’t make the all star team lmao
Same with Marcus Camby’s fraudulent DPOY. Camby never made AS.
Cambys DPOY should have the name “Tim Duncan” on it
Before Siakim, what player on a losing team got an all star nod?
Mitch Richmond on the Kings and TMac on Orlando come to mind.
Damn I thought it would’ve been more recent than that 😂
Kevin Love. Luka. It happens if you have pedigree.
Probably has been more recent, but I am not going to look it up. I just remember when Richmond got AS/All-NBA on a like 20-win team.
Wemby last year. Lillard multiple times with the Blazers. Markkanen in 2023, as well as SGA and Siakam the same year. And that’s just in the last like three years. It happens more than people think.
Spurs were a decent enough team going into the All Star Break last season. They were just under .500 by the end of January.
Wemby last year.
Spurs were above .500 in January last year. Then Wemby started playing bad, looking fatigued and the Spurs started sliding before he was diagnosed with the DVT.
Giannis this year?
Kobe in his last few seasons is the most recent one in my memory.
Jalen Johnson but hawks are in the playin, also in the east though (hawks could end up with a positive record?)
Devin Harris
They weren’t calling him an all star when he played for us, literally two days after the trade, “San Antonio’s all star duo”.
Castle deserves it more than Fox
The guy always crying
I’m not mad. Don’t put it in the newspaper that I’m mad
He cares
East west shit getting stupid u got pascal siakham going when his team 13-37 🤦🏽
They only deserve one though. Siakam also shouldn’t have made it.
They need to expand the roster
15 win team having an all star is fucking beyond insane ain’t it ??
He’s not even close to being an allstar in the west. He’s been underwhelming
As a Kings fan, he really could care less. He’d rather take a week off than have to deal with All Star duties.
He’ll spend that time on his burner accounts arguing with Kings fans
Or having his wife run social media cover for him at 2am
I believe with 100% certainty that I spent a night arguing with Recee. No one would know the details of their arguement defending Fox unless it was Recee or Dearron
Should have missed his ass like Kings Muse she would have bought you lower level seats instead of
Certain guards in the nba get absolutely no love
Cash considerations
Maybe a 2nd rounder
Someone else that needs a change of scenery or a mild salary dump with pick.
He can’t be worth much buried on your bench lol
Schrodinger’s asset: simultaneously a prized young role player worth multiple picks, while also rotting away on the bench for a team who needs exactly such a player
Just like Kuminga
Some players have stipulation in their contracts for stuff like All star, so they probably do care.
I watched most Spur game and I don’t think he is all star worthy tbh
He’s used to it.
In the 23-24 season, Kings were still great and despite the whole team taking turns rotating injuries all season. The team held the 5th seed ALL season (through All Star easily) until Kevin got hurt then Luka’s fat butt fell on Monk & we lost them both for the last couple weeks, against teams trying to leapfrog us & by like a game we barely slipped down into the play-in.
During it, Fox was doing great. The only player I believe out of the Top 20 guys in highest PPG, he was like 9th in the league at the time (started season for a month in Top 5) that didn’t make All Star. Sabonis who was WAY more deserving over Fox was KILLING it, doing better than several other big men players that got the All Star nomination, got snubbed as well yet still ended up making All NBA again that season. Literally better than Sengun in every category, better shot % from literally every spot on floor, crazy. Doing shit not seen since Wilt.
Kings were the only team that season, with two players killing, Sabonis insane, as the 5th seed with ZERO All Star picks. Yet every other team in the West… 1st through 11th all had someone for their team there. Lakers were 9th at the time/most the season and they had TWO picks.
Kings and Kings players just get fucked, hard to wash that off even at a different franchise. It’s sad and typical, gotta work 100x harder to be respected.
Other contenders meaning who?
It’s ok, all star weekend is boring af now
Celtics only got one lol
Avg 19ppg as a chucker and had the audacity to talk this way lmfao.
I mean Ingram is a bigger snub, the siakam selection makes no sense.
Yeah especially if you don’t watch him play.
He’s got a point
Fox just became one of my favorite players after that. 👏🏼
Siakam has no business being on the allstar team.