Doc Rivers was asked if he still stands by his initial declaration that Renee Good was murdered by ICE: “I stand by my words 100%.” “The training of ICE is horrible.”
What was this reporter trying to accomplish by asking this question?
He’s going to write a ragebait article for your most annoying racist uncle to share with his Facebook friends.
It’s the worst kind of reporter. Just wants the soundbite.
“Did you mean that in a legal sense or as a moral condemnation?” 🤓
Shut your bitch ass up. And I’m glad Doc said “both.”
Exactly ,Some reporters care more about drama than understanding the nuance. Bravo to Doc!
This is a reporter for a right-wing outlet. This is about ideology more than drama.
Not a reporter, content creator.
America Hating NBA Head Coach DESTROYS Chance To Remain Citizen
NBA doesn’t discriminate when it comes to money. They’ll take money from both sides, racist or not.
Jordan himself said republicans and democrats both buy sneakers lol
“Republicans buy sneakers too.”
Jordan is an idiot
gonna try to get Doc indicted for something. Literally the only way to make r/nba like Doc is to get him indicted.
It would be pretty funny if he became a heroic figure on the rest of reddit while the NBA subreddit has an identity crisis whether to like him or not.
Exactly? Why ask this question? It’s not like anything changed for him to change his position/view
Probably just trying to stir controversy or get a reaction for clicks.
it’s outkick, they’re trying to spin alex and renees murders as somehow totally not a govt execution and he’s trying to rile up doc
doc standing on business tho
They even admitted they skip 5 months training and train for 47 days because Trump is 47. president lmao.
It was probably someone from Outkick or something dumb like that
Correct, it was
idk who that is but this reporter sucks
From the sound of hte clip, the guy is indeed from Outkick.
Yes he literally says out kick and doc asks out kick? And he says yes.
Clickbait bullshit
Keeping the conversation going. People like Doc should use their voice to speak up against ICE.
Here is the answer:
https://www.outkick.com/sports/doc-rivers-bucks-minnesota-renne-good-ice-murder
Wow, that’s some right leaning bullshit.
Is Outkick the sports version of Fox News?
They’re owned by Fox. And before that they were owned by a guy who blames a bunch of shit on “the left” (for example, he raged at Vanderbilt for removing references to the Confederacy from a memorial and blamed it on the left)
I mean what has changed since we first saw what we saw?
Right? This shit isn’t up for debate…
That “reporter” is basura 🤬
“say the line Doc!”
Kinda curious what outlet he’s with…
outkick
Distract from the new Epstein file dump
Probably something along the lines of how sports and politics are crossing paths and the affect it has on the NBA’s bottom line of providing entertainment for fans.
Enrage racist white people.
you already know
Grab soundbites, chop them up, and put them back together in a way to fit his weirdo agenda.
You’re talking about the kind of organization that would bring in Jason Whitlock in a senior position. They’re not serious people. They’re right wing agitators
Regardless of how you feel about immigrants there is no denying that the training for these Ice agents is basically non-existent
I’ve heard they don’t even do proper psych evaluations
That’s all true but neither of the agents that shot civilians were new. They both had like a decade of experience. Which is even more insane
I’ve taken a police psych evaluation before and if you are just kind of aware of what people generally say and don’t say anything like you’re signing up to kill people you’ll pass it fairly easily
don’t say anything like you’re signing up to kill people
…are we sure this is disqualifying nowadays
That actually might be the magic words to get hired
Walk into an ice office and starting jumping up and down yelling “kil” and they’ll pin a medal on you and hire you on the spot.
You can think it you just can’t say it
Which is wild because I listened to a podcast where a first responder didn’t want to disclose that he was experiencing depression after the death of a colleague until he finally had a breakdown and was dismissed. All because to seek out treatment would’ve threatened his livelihood. Crazy that we’re happy to hand someone a gun for less. Maybe not surprising when we evaluate the country’s priorities, but just shows how ass-backwards we can be.
Yeah I’ve had a few government jobs and you definitely do get the vibe that they were trying more to build up a better culture around mental health and take things like harassment more seriously, recently though I have felt like some of those positive changes have been getting walked back, like last year the Air Force made their standard for sexual harassment more specific making touches to non private eras not considered assault and in October/November they got rid of some of the rules meant to stop hazing rituals
You don’t talk about mental health if you have a high level clearance. It’s stated in paperwork you sign.
Yeah are people actually giving ICE the good faith interpretation that this is a failure of training?
The goal is to have modern day brown shirts to terrorize the public. Some can be 20 year professionals in immigration enforcement, some can be literal veterans, some can be randos given carte blanche after participating in the January 6th coup attempt. It doesn’t matter. They’re there to hurt people and kidnap minorities. Full stop.
The centrist position from Schumer and Jeffries is that they need more training à la Biden’s “we need to FUND the police”
jesus christ this is what we call an opposition party
My cousin is a cop for 8 years now, half of that he wasn’t even on patrol because he didn’t want to be in the bad area of town so he did mainly desk/promotional work. I wouldn’t trust him anywhere near anything and come to a proper resolution, that’s aside from him being extremely racist.
We don’t know who was involved in the second shooting
The two federal immigration agents who fired on Minneapolis protester Alex Pretti are identified in government records as Border Patrol agent Jesus Ochoa and Customs and Border Protection officer Raymundo Gutierrez.
Ochoa is a Border Patrol agent who joined CBP in 2018. Gutierrez joined in 2014 and works for CBP’s Office of Field Operations. He is assigned to a special response team, which conducts high-risk operations like those of police SWAT units. Records show both men are from South Texas.
https://www.propublica.org/article/alex-pretti-shooting-cbp-agents-identified-jesus-ochoa-raymundo-garcia
Not to discredit your comment, as this Pro Publica reporting was literally posted in the 27 minutes between your initial post and my reply.
Yeah, the whole “they aren’t REAL cops” thing is so old at this point.
Like, bro, have you not seen the behavior of REAL cops all over this country? This is just what happens when you let them out of their stalls to do whatever they please.
It is so fucking baffling to me that it is Latinos out here terrorizing immigrants. Pathetic pick me behavior
What’s going on in Minnesota is not just immigrants. It’s citizens that dont fall in line. They are now called domestic terrorists for things that are protected by the bill of rights.
Latinos are a big diverse group of people, many of whom see themselves as white and some of whom actually are white.
Did not expect to read this breaking news in the NBA thread
In fact the shitbag who shot Renee good specifically worked for border patrol for like a decade including at this El Paso location that was ordering specifically to stop putting themselves in front of cars to justify shooting into them.
I mean they literally do a 47 day training program, to represent Donald trump the 47th president. That’s how much of an egomaniac that serial child rapist is
That sounds like something Nero would’ve done in Rome
Shit like this makes me wonder how the hell one person can have such an ego. This is some 7 year “when i’m president” shit, not something the leader of a country should be doing
If you take a look at his entire life, he was never told no and was able to do or get whatever he wanted. Of course to say again include raping many, many kids consequence free
President of the United States fucks children. You can have no professionalism on any level when the person at the top is antithetical to those qualities.
The self selection by ice has to be alarming since it’s became trump fans signing up for it. Notice when you hear them speak they always say trump slogans on why they do this.
Its even more scary because its essentially just having his own little militia at his disposal anywhere at any time…
Remember when he said stand back and stand by?
We need to stop pushing the training narrative. The brutality is part of the training, we share tactics with forces like the IDF. The cruelty is the point.
The Agents that killed Pretti have been with CBP for 8⁄12 years. It’s not like they were just first day errors.
Their training is very good. This is what they’re trained to do. How long until you figure out the monster thats staring you in the face lmao
47 days of training. In honor of our esteemed POTUS.
If you haven’t already, there’s a very interesting story of a reporter applying for ICE position and getting an official offer.
All she did was a brief 6-minute interview- she didn’t even complete all the required application steps and they obviously didn’t do a background check because they clearly missed that she is an actively working journalist who has written quite critical things about the current administration. Pure shit show.
And I’ll come out and say it, if you agree with what ICE is doing, you suck and should move to Russia
Putting the TRAINING front and center is a strawman; the entire concept and basis of ICE as it operates today is DOGSHIT ILLEGAL, and grounds for revolution; read the Declaration of Independence first 10 lines and tell me it doesn’t apply exactly to today.
Before you even TALK about training, the whole purpose, directive, motive, whatever, is flawed.
I view Doc even mentioning training as a borderline cowardice walk-back.
I have a anecdotal story that sums this up. My neighbor has failed to become a police officer and sheriff over the last two years. He has serious anger issues and is racist. He worked for his dad in the ranch next to mine and is about 30yrs old. He applied to be a border agent and was told no based on his interviews. Last week he started his ICE training. He was sitting at the gas station in his whole outfit talking about how he couldn’t wait to get out there and punish Mexicans.
I called his dad as we are friends and asked how and he told me they didn’t even really interview or ask any questions. He was as shocked as anyone and told me his mom actually called them to ask questions but they didn’t want hear from her
The psych evaluation starts and ends with- “Did you vote for DJT in the election and are you loyal to his agenda?”
The only thing that matters to this administration.
Dont ICE agents use their own personal guns too?
Like recruiting for ICE is just like “bring your guns let’s round up immigrants and non-whites”
ICE has nothing to do with immigration enforcement, it is state sanctioned violence to terrorize the populace into compliance
We live in a country where global warming is an opinion 🙃
I have a friend from Texas who stands by this. This and the idea that seedless grapes were a good investment of money. The latter is a very fun topic to debate on, the former pisses me off to no extent.
I hope he’s having loads of fun learning the “joys” of shoveling snow.
Alright you nerd sniped the hell out of me, can you help me understand more about the conversation regarding seedless grapes? I’m guessing you both farm grapes and are referring to the economics of farming them. Do you both sell them for wine making purposes, or for other purposes? Is the reality that grape juice (for wine or otherwise) is significantly higher yielded from seeded grapes, and the market for seedless grapes for average consumer consumption is so flooded as for it to be difficult for a small producer to reliably turn a profit?
I’m fascinated, lol.
the idea that seedless grapes were a good investment of money
I too am curious. I’m guessing the “pro” argument is convenience and user satisfaction. The “con” argument is the extra cost of growing a literally sterile fruit just so we don’t have to spit out a seed.
But when I asked Gemini to explain what else I might be missing, it suggested:
On Reddit, “Seedless Grapes” is common slang for testicles after a vasectomy.
And that made me LMAO. A vasectomy is a good investment, so it’s not wrong.
The supermarket grapes in the US are usually meh tasting. I much prefer the grapes I grew up eating in Japan.
Don’t tell people you grew up in Japan or ICE will be on your ass!
What do they mean by good investment?
And vaccines
Which is funny because the origins of vaccine is pretty natural. We were eating scabs off of cows. But needle form is much more sanitary.
Also funny that vaccines are the greatest modern invention in human history yet fucking dumbasses with a high school degree think they know better than the smartest people in society. Just awesome state of affairs in this country
This pisses me off to no end. This whole everyone is an expert part of society
Especially infuriating because I actually spent money to get a degree in political science but no jim your feelings and tens of minutes spent reading one article from newsmaxx makes you more qualified than my hard earned degree.
no no no, horse dewormer, uv light, and disinfectant are much better options
– president pedo
I knew a guy who insisted on just spraying his daughter with bleach to keep Covid away. No vaccines needed!
jfc, that poor kid!
The morality of pedophilia is also an opinion
Hurr durr it’s snowing in South Carolina explain that durrrrr
I met a flat earther last Friday lol never knew I’d see this day come true. The dude is kind though, just lost on knowledge.
Lol who the fuck asked the question.
MAGAts fucking seething lmao
love to see it
lol, when’s that pack of fuckin idiots not seething about something…..they’re in a constant state of always crying about somethin
Probably Outkick.
Not even probably. You’re exactly right.
Founded by a guy who first became known for his opposition to removing the word “Confederate” from a memorial hall at his former college btw.
A reporter from Outkick, basically ESPN if they decided commenting how woke sports is now was the only form of commentary.
I love seeing the sea change in American discourse. The Nazis got just a little too cute with the execution of good American citizens, and now the illusion of law and order has shattered and they have been exposed for the pieces of shit that they are.
The reporter asking this is a writer for Outkick, a Fox-News-affiliated gossip outlet for conservative piggies. Why’re they allowed to hijack NBA press conferences to get quotes for their slop websites like this
They’re allowed because almost every team owner and member of the NBA’s C-Suite watches and supports Fox and it’s affiliates. Don’t let the player demographics fool you; the NBA is still the work and property of racist, old, rich, white, men.
Bingo.
And they rely on ICE and the police state to maintain the status quo with themselves at the top of the food chain.
Outkick sounds like a publication for gay soccer players
God damn, everyone is a “press” these days
Not the best coach but on US politics he’s always been on the right side of things. Good man
Pop is arguably the best and probably has stronger words about this than Doc. A lot of nba couches are based
*coaches, lol
JD Vance’s ears just perked up
Doc still answered this perfectly
Many years ago when I worked at a little league uniform company, I typo’d some Coach gear and they printed like 20 hoodies with this mistake before someone realized lmao
Still have a Couch jersey with some random middle school volleyball team’s logo somewhere. it’s got a purple bat on it, very metal
Doc has been taking about this for months. Pop is great but Doc has been strongly condemning ICE since October at least.
I trust Doc Rivers with a 3-1 series lead 100x more than I trust ICE agents to not be murdering racists.
Doc rivers with the W. Furthermore, ice must be destroyed
Abolished and people procecuted
Ice 🧊 must be melted
The ICE agent who shot Renee Good had been part of CBP since 2007, and ICE since 2016. The entire entity and apparatus needs to be abolished, along with the Patriot Act, the Global War On Terrorism, the private prison industry, etc.
I cringe every time people mention lack of training. All this will lead to is another budget increase
I agree with everything you said and it’s also why our side fails. We complicate every issue with more issues.
The issues listed are interconnected. Problems don’t exist in isolation, they are systemic, and the more we understand those connections the better.
He may be a shitty basketball coach, but he’s right about this
Heartbreaking: The Worst NBA Coach You Know Just Made a Great Point
What kind of question is that
Everybody is criticizing the question but at the end of the day that was a great answer and we wouldn’t have heard it without that question
i don’t understand why people want a better trained fascist paramilitary instead of no fascist paramilitary
This lmao no amount of training is going to fix this. Abolish ice
americans are so cucked by copaganda they literally don’t have the ability to imagine a different future is possible.
Its so wild to me that this part of the country exists growing up and living in chicago.
These people (who live in my own damn country) are more foreign to me than a recently arrived immigrant from Africa or whatever.
We really are 50+ countries in a trench coat at this point
Fuck ICE and the system that enables them
moron ass reporter can go get fucked by a rusty knife
Doc has always spoken his mind about stuff like this. Him and Kerr taking the mantle now that Pop is retired, props to both of them.
Yeah… it’s not a training issue. Giving losers a disproportionate amount of power and then having the vice president tell them they’re for all intents and purposes untouchable is not a training isssue.
This is the logical endpoint.
History never looks fond on the government agents with no oversight that kill civilians and arrest journalists
The question I always have for people that support this: when did a country put a large masked paramilitary force on their streets and it ended up being a good thing for the country?
yeah but you see Hillary Obamacare woke liberals were going to put Christians gun owners in camps if they won the election so uhm we need Greenland
Doc did a good?
One of few likeable things about Doc is he doesn’t seem to support this batch of fascists
it’s not even the concept of immigration enforcement that’s controversial
it’s the fact that miller and noem are filling ice with meal team six and proud boys and giving them 47 days of training and sending them to a blue city en masse because of a viral story on twitter
The training is less the problem than their job, which is to harass and terrorize non-white people in the US regardless of citizenship as well as any “radical terrorist,” which means anyone with a conscience who stands up to their criminal abuse of the citizenry. And this horrible new wing of the military turned on the American people is a private army for furthering Trump’s corrupt political career and seizing power by trampling the Constitution. Saying it’s the training or the masks alone is like arguing slavery just needed reforms rather than abolition. Some things just shouldn’t exist, and ICE is one of them.
Not a training quality issue, the guy that murdered her had years of experience in the military and law enforcement.
If you don’t want them to murder us, they have to go to prison. Training means nothing if they’re allowed to do whatever they want.
Edit: and they just released the names of the two who murdered Alex Pretti, they have 8 and 12 years of CBP experience.
Wtf kinda question is that
Why is the headline framing it like he shouldn’t be?!?!
Doc may not be great at getting the W on the court, but will always get the W off the court.
If a military member did what ICE did to Renee, and especially Alex, that serviceman would be put on trial and would be spending time in Leavenworth.
#The IDF trains ICE.
Wake up, America
#ICE likely learned these terrible tactics of how to harass civilians from the IDF.
Me and Doc…? We don’t often agree. When we do, you should listen.
Doc the GOAT
Training isn’t going to fix fascist ideology. They’re not killing because they’re incompetent or poorly trained, but because they want to. They’ve lusted for the blood of people they look down on for a long time now and are finally allowed to kill with impunity.
“Are you absolutely sure you want to be on the right side of history?”
Shit was murder fr. If that was done by a citizen then they’d be in jail rn.
Fuck ICE
How would doc rivers know anything about ICE training
Everything about this response is A+. The way he sniffed out the rightwing bait is was amazing
These old liberals somehow still don’t get it. ICE (and regular cops for that matter) don’t have a training problem. They have a humanity problem
The thing about that though, is that Johnathan Ross was a decade-long veteran of CBP, this was not incautious ICE “training” this was who they are and have been the whole time: fucking fascist thugs.
Well, a shitty coach that I hate can still have good morals and opinions. Good for him
He’s still a tank commander.
Fucking eh right!!
Jesus Christ hall of fame terrible question
Get ‘em Doc!
The ICE agents are not trained for dealing with mobs of protesters or doing home invasions.clearly.
Whoever that reporter is, what kind of question is that? Dumbass question.
Tf you gonna expect him to say? I changed my mind?
Nice stance by Doc!!!
Love how Doc identified the Fox affiliated grub before the “question” was even asked
Interviewer and whoever they work for fucking suck
I guess he’s hoping that now that some of the outrage has simmered off he’d change his mind?
I’m still angry.
Doc Rivers, awful coach, fantastic human being, what a gem!
what a dumbass question. wtf?
Never thought rivers would be braver than kerr on this stuff but I’m glad to be wrong
Hate doc but he’s a stand up guy for this and fuck the reporter for asking stupid ass questions looking like that damn Patrick meme in every comment section
I hate it when people act like cops killing civilians for no reason is an education issue. These people could have multiple PHDs and it wouldn’t help. They’re bad people
Their training is working. They’re trained to be rogue mercenaries. I’d say they’re effective. So, abolish ICE
It isn’t a training issue though, right? This is the goal. This is what they’re there to do.
That’s not a training issue. That’s an organizational mission and purpose issue.
Doc is a mediocre coach but he’s always kept it a buck about social issues
What’s this have to do with basketball? I’m sorry, but a basketball coaches opinion on this isn’t worth reporting on. I say that as someone who is also disgusted with Renee’s murder
Doc is one case where his political takes are often better than his basketball takes.
Everyone america but absurd cultists know that she and the nurse were murdered. Thank God he has that moral backbone!
it’s phenomenal that the rhetoric is being defanged in real time. yeah, if they were trained better, the unconstitutional gestapo recruiting from neo-nazis online would be fine. They’d only kill brown people!
Conservatives trying to convince everyone that Good and Pretti weren’t murdered like trying to convince Picard there weren’t four lights
What a weird ass question.
He’s a good man. I want him fired though.
Doc a grown man. Why would he switched up now? 💯🏀
What does this mean? Was there some new evidence that came out recently that should change his mind?
Two guys should be able to take down one guy.
Why would he backtrack?
Fucking stupid ass reporter
That backfired on that reporter
What a stupid question
Let me ask that reporter an NBA question - now that some time has passed, do you still believe the Thunder won the championship last season? Yes? Because you saw it happen on TV with your own eyes, right? Right.
Let’s just go with ICE is horrible
Its not about training. They want to kill and hurt lol. THe institution is bad, not the training
Chuck Schumer made the call
We’re with you on that Doc