[Windhorst] Other teams interested in Giannis Antetokounmpo will “have to try to beat” a strong offer from the Golden State Warriors. The Warriors have the most “straightforward” trade package for Giannis Antetokounmpo.
Kuminga and Giannis making up 90% of the league’s drama and being traded for each other would be poetic
like ships passing in the night
Or like one of those Cold War era spy swaps where they do the exchange on some foggy bridge in the middle of the night
Everyone gets poisoned in the end
The trade is just this
Golden State just happens to have an abundance of foggy bridges nearby
*crashing ships in the night
or the Umbrella Academy car meme
That has to be why GS has been sitting on him.
lacob has been sitting on everything since like 2019 because hes wanted giannis. if it doesnt happen this time he’l finally give up the dream and it’ll be good for the team.
He wants LeBron too from what I’ve seen
That’s the play next year he wants
The Warriors have been sitting on him until he gets his upgraded contract and can be salary filler.
Second best pf of all time for a dude who thinks he’s the second best sg of all time
No other team can offer White Shohei
That’s 2021 Wisconsin Mr. Basketball to you and the Bucks tyvm.
And Jimmy played at Marquette.
It’s like poetry it rhymes.
My hope is Bucks go full rebuild, buyout Jimmy, and he comes back to the Warriors to finish what he started. A pipe dream, I know … but a year will have passed, and that removes the restriction of rejoining the Warriors.
People joke but Podz is a legit good young player. I could definitely see him playing a 6th man role for a good team.
lmao your sub always want to fire him into the sun every game
Team subs are full of morons. He is not a point guard in anyway in the NBA, when the team plays him at his proper position, SG, he’s played his best.
He needs to be finishing advantage plays created by others.
Team subs are full of morons
Agreed. Anyone who takes posts on team subs seriously is crazy, I remember when I first joined the Spurs sub years ago and lasted like 2 weeks before leaving because the posts over there were so monumentally brain-dead.
They also want Kerr fired every game they don’t win and think Steph is being held hostage by him. The average fans aren’t the sharpest bunch
I loved that he thought his 90mph fastball was good enough to get him to the big show. That sort of delusion should have kept him from being drafted at all lol.
my hope for Giannis has gone from 0% to 1% after reading this post
Well what if after the Giannis trade happens, LeBron comes on a minimum deal too.
First team to ever get 82 national TV games
Our practices would be on ESPN 2.
Green punching teammates will run on PPV.
Thanasis as ref. Lopez brothers for commentary. DLo as cameraman
it’ll single handedly save the disney corporation
What if we just let ESPN crumble and support better sports stations?
I remember when Bronny worked out for the suns pre draft and all us fans got high on our own supply on the idea of LeBron on a minimum. Pretty sure Rich Paul at that time said explicitly that LeBron will never play on a minimum.
Weirdly brons not chasing rings he’s chasing cash..
LeBron doesn’t even pay for his own Netflix. He’s way too greedy to play on a minimum.
Even if they’re literally the only 3 guys on the entire roster, LeBron, Steph, and Giannis are going 82-0 idgaf.
somebody tell bro what year it is
And what if we add Kurt Angle to the mix?
Your chances in the west DRASTIC go down
What if I offered the entire Bucks FO a handy?
I know it is mortgaging the future and all but non-Steph years are going to be bad anyway.
How much did Lacob pay you to say that Brian
Yeah I’m so confused. What great offer do the Warriors have exactly? Kuminga? A broken down Butler? Podz? Essentially salary filler.
I know they have three firsts they can trade, which if far enough out I guess could be compelling.
Those first in 2032 and 2034 will be golden when steph and giannis are retired
Yeah. But if your the GM do you have 8 years for that 2034 pick to hit than another 6 that player to hit his prime. Like I know this sucks but in 15 years you’ll be thanking me.
Basically zero chance the Bucks GM is still employed by the Bucks by then. That’s gotta factor in
Yeah. You need signoff from ownership that this is going to be a long rebuild. I think there are probably only 5 GMs in the league who have been with their team for at least a couple years and have strong enough support from ownership to make it through a full teardown and rebuild. Generally if you’re tearing down something went wrong in the past, which usually means the GM messed something up.
Sure, but how can it not be a long rebuild? Load up the team with a bunch of mediocre rotation players and fight for the play-in for the next 10 years?
Also known as the Chicago bulls method
You can always trade those picks well before those drafts
Not like they will be able to build a good team without Giannis by trading those picks
Not like they have a good team with Giannis.
Was just about to post the same thing; there’s like 3 GMs in the league who have the job security to sell ownership on a potential return eight years in the future
If you have a good ownership they’d force the GM to make the right long term move
Having a GM trading just for the their job is terrible when your team is transitioning to a long term rebuild
Perhaps, but even owners now are looking for quick hits now and looking to sell tge teams for larger sums in a few years
Sure, if the Warriors do nothing. They’re still an attractive destination with one of the highest spending owners in the league.
They’re only attractive for as long as they have Steph.
as a dubs fan, i agree with this. we’re not LA NY or MIA
Eh, but you’re also not Indy, Cleveland, Memphis, Milwaukee, etc. And I’m saying this as a Pacers fan.
Really, only LA and NYC are the two markets that stand on their own. I’d say the Warriors are in league with markets like Miami, Chicago, or Houston where it’s big enough that players will want to stay and you can attract big free agents when you’re good and have good players. LA and NYC can attract stars even when they’re bad, so you may not be at that level, but when you’re good you don’t have to worry about the constant fear of your stars being poached by larger markets.
Simply put, the Warriors aren’t tier 1, but I think they’re comfortably tier 2.
Unfortunately tier 2 is where a star player starts to factor in taxes and that can put the Bay Area down a notch. Ive seen that come into play when trying to entice a star to come as the first piece to build a team, they choose Texas or Florida.
This hasn’t really born out in free agency, though. The only truly high-level guy they’ve recruited in the last ten years is KD.
There is no guarantee that the team will be seen as an attractive destination post-Steph.
Ummm excuse me? Pat Spencer is EXTREMELY high level. (Just not in this sport.)
Don’t you disregard my beautiful eyed man Al Horford 🥺
Warriors without Steph Curry are historically one of the worst franchises in the league.
This isn’t like LA where they consistently get bailed out solely due to being LA. The attractiveness of the warriors starts and ends with Steph
I’m confused, did you even watch the clip? The fact you messed up how many firsts they can trade tells me no. They have at least 4 first round picks they can trade plus butler, Kuminga, and moody (or podz). Definitely seems like a beatable offer still but those picks are gold to the bucks when they don’t control their own
Butler has to be a negative asset, but could be wrong. Just feel like at that value plus the injury don’t know what the value is.
Agree butler is a negative asset. I assume he’s purely involved to make salaries match and the real prize for the bucks are the unprotected picks and on a much lower tier of prizes, also Kuminga.
theyre trying to tank this year and hes an expiring next year, so that actually is an asset for them.
Expiring and might be back to be flipped at the deadline. He is definitely a negative value in the trade, but is also exactly the kind of contract the Bucks should want on their books because if Jimmy comes back looking anything like Jimmy (a very big if given his age) he could be flipped at the deadline next year for positive value and if not, he could be traded as an expiring for a worse contract for more draft assets since the Bucks basically have no shot of being good until the Dame money is off the books.
Expiring contracts aren’t negatives, unless they immediately want to compete now
Would probably be 3 firsts in 27/29/31 and swaps in 28/30/32.
Both Curry and Green are only under contract through next year.
They traded 30 so they can’t trade those first
The 2030 pick is top 20 protected. They can trade the protected version (ie, if it falls in the top 20, it goes to Milwaukee. If it’s in 21-30, its goes to Washington).
The 30 is top 20 protected so they can trade the only valuable part of that pick, the 1-20 portion. It was a fake first to the Wizards, and it only conveys if it’s a bad pick and then just becomes a second to Washington.
As soon as Curry retires, the team’s going to suck, and probably isn’t going to be good again within any of our lifetimes. Joe Lacob is a Jerry Jones-level meddler with the basketball acumen of Ted Stepien. He’s willing to spend, but so far as BBIQ goes, at least 2⁄3 of r/nba would do a better job running a draft.
This. If Milwaukee can get their hands on three or four of those post-Curry firsts, they could set themselves up to be the dynasty of the late 2030s.
His trade was Jimmy and 4 1sts. Milwaukee has to tank and keep the top 7 pick in this draft no need to get players who might win games this season
+1 for Milwaukee tanking the rest of the season
They are in line for pick 7 the pelicans pick will be top 3 that goes to Atlanta
Since he said the trade package is straightforward I’m guessing it’s Jimmy, picks, and pick swaps. But these picks are pretty valuable.
I mean those picks are going to be amazing value
If im the bucks I’m salivating at the thought of how bad the warriors will be in a couple years
except for when you are betting on a team with giannis to be bad.
A 34+ old giannis*
Plenty of stars are playing great at 34. I’d be hesitant about a small guard at that age but not Giannis
big men historically have worse longevity and injury prospects than smaller players.
The bucks are literally bad right now. Things won’t be easier in the western conference
Giannis is leaving in free agency/ asking out as soon as Steph hangs them up
Get 2 chips before they both leave. Perfect
Yeah, Tostitos and Pringles.
Giannis isn’t staying there once Curry retires lol
He’ll also be old with a massive injury history
Massive? I mean has even had one major surgery? As far as I know he has had one surgery on his knee, that was to trim the meniscus. But he’s never had an ACL surgery or major tendon issue.
the bucks are current evidence that Giannis being on a team doesnt mean theyll be good.
Thats what you’re gonna sell to your fans? We traded our franchise GOAT for Kuminga and some picks that we hope will be valuable in 4-6 years?
Uh yes? That’s actually very good value lmao
You’re not getting Wemby back
The thing is with draft picks, you might get Wemby back, and gambling on that is better by far than getting nothing at all.
What else can they do?
The only other option is Portland for their picks back.
You’re trading a top 3 player. Portland and GS aren’t the only options.
I doubt kuminga is involved. Jimmy butler would be involved for salary match. Hes an expiring contract after next season. It will free up over 50 mil to sign other players. Or flip jimmy for more picks next trade deadline when he’s healthy expiring contract is pretty valuable.
They would be bad in a couple years, until you trade Giannis there lol.
Not for nothing but of the teams mentioned as suitors…Post-Curry Warriors picks are probably the most enticing?
Keep in mind that the Warriors from the 80s onwards before Steph had been atrocious as an organization and Giannis is getting up there in age with a not insignificant history of injuries. Those picks could be very juicy and sooner than one might expect.
The second Steph retires I promise you the warriors will have a decade of darkness. And I accept that, trade the fucking picks
Steph is arguably a top 10 player all time, you squeeze that goddamn lemon for all the juice it’s worth
You even grate the peel and use it for garnish.
That’s why I think I’d take this offer as a Bucks fan. Whether you then moved Giannis on, he went to Greece or you just rode it out being mediocre it would benefit us
Le sigh.
golden state wizards
Other teams merely adopted the darkness. Longtime Warriors fans were born in it, molded by it. We’ll go back, happily, for Steph.
If I’m Milwaukee, I take this offer and run:
On the side, also do Kuzma for Kuminga (salary dump)
if I’m Golden State I might jump on this as well. save your chances to compete this+next season, ditch Kuminga, bring major buzz to the bay. if they do it and Giannis goes down it will be the injury heard round the world lol
Shit better than AD
I think that’s it. The full picks package. Kuzma for Kuminga salary dump.
Bro I am quite confident the raptors are going to end up with Giannis.
You have the best young prospects out of all of the teams in contention. You can trade young studs and a bunch of picks and still keep Barnes and Ingram. Giannis + Barnes + Ingram will legitimately contend for a championship.
You have all of your picks.
Giannis is an international star and Toronto is am amazing place for an international star. It also has an amazing Greek community.
As a Canadian, I hope he goes to Toronto. People are sleeping on them as a suitor.
Giannis + Barnes + Ingram will legitimately contend for a championship
It’s not a bad trade idea but that team will be so thin if they have to deal Barrett + Quickley, which is what it would take to match Giannis’ salary. That’s a good trio but I wouldn’t bet on that being a championship team.
It might be one of the more acceptable packages we could get. I doubt we’d be able to get our picks back from Portland so this could be the 3rd best option.
The real issue is it doesn’t give the Bucks any real way to initiate their rebuild since so much of their own draft capital is out the door. If this were a situation where the Bucks were getting one young player that had All Star potential (and I don’t mean a top 5 young player, just a guy we know is going to be good but we don’t know the ceiling) and some draft capital alongside some bad salary or expiring contracts then you can sell me on the idea. But the proposed Warriors package is essentially saying, “hey we are going to suck for probably 5 years before we start to have hope with a rebuild,” and that’s a lot to ask when it’s in relation to sending Giannis out.
In a vacuum, 4 first round picks and several swaps with the latter half of those being a post-Curry and post-Giannis Warriors is a solid bet to make. But how many years before the Bucks have their first thing to actually get exciting about?
Could be part of a 3-way deal where they move the Warriors’ picks to get something sooner. Portland is young and on the upswing so for example, would they rather top-10 picks in 5-7 years instead of 2-3? I dunno if Portland would do that but it’s an example of what might need to happen if there’s concern with how far out the Warriors’ picks are.
Three way trades are notoriously difficult, and I would imagine with the complexities of the current CBA it’s more true now than ever. So while you are right in that another team might be involved, I think that makes it less likely to happen at least during the regular season. Not impossible.
I’m not against it, I want Steph to go out with playoff caliber teams and I want to see Giannis continue to get deep playoff runs, I just don’t think what the Warriors can offer is particularly compelling especially for a small market team.
Podz you are a buck.
Well, he is from Milwaukee.
I think there’s a bigger chance it’s Jimmy and picks. Personally hoping Kuminga goes to Miami in a Wiggins trade
No way Miami trades Wiggins for Kuminga without a pick attached and you’re giving all of those for Giannis in this scenario.
Saw another fake 3 teamer where Miami gets Giannis and Buddy, Milwaukee gets Ware, Herro and picks, Kuminga from Golden State and Golden State gets Wiggins. Seems far fetched but more believable way for Wiggins to end up back in the Bay
Of course the Warriors need to get out of Jimmy’s deal ASAP if they want to compete and while Wiggins makes them better it’s not moving the needle enough to do it imo
Is that the one where Golden State trades Kuminga, Hield, a frp, and frp swap for Kuminga? Not happening
Why would the warriors give up a pick to get Wiggins back 😂😂
Lmao your thinking might be as bad as Lakers fans for trades.
The media REALLY wants this to happen.
me too though
Me too. Let the Bucks tank and move Giannis to the West. That’s a double win for all 10 of us Hawks fans on this sub.
Me 🤝 the media
100 percent
Giannis’ corporate sponsors more so
What? No way. What do they even have of value at this point?
They have all of their own picks and swaps outside of weird pick to washington. Considering how old Curry is and how Giannis might age, it wouldnt be a bad bet to make.
It’s not weird. Chris Paul was a franchise changing trade we probably should have given them more.
Trading Giannis for a couple late firsts and plummeting your team into hell for the foreseeable future would be malpractice lol. The bucks don’t even own their own picks
They’d push those picks out as far as possible. Those Warriors picks could end up more valuable than anything else they’re offered
Right but the point I think they’re making is that would leave them w a terrible team and almost no picks for a decade. Why would the current GM do that and tank his job for picks for 2 GMs later?
Truth of the matter is that GM is likely cooked no matter what. Most times when you have to trade your franchise player you won’t be there too much longer yourself
Late firsts? What are you talking about
3 firsts and 3 swaps starting in 2027 would be my guess.
4 of the 6 picks would convey after Curry and Green are both done.
I can’t imagine Giannis would sign a long term deal in GS with Curry turning 38 and Green turning 36.
Green doesn’t seem like he’ll play past next season. Curry’s the GOAT so he could play till 42 for all we know.
4 FRPs and 3 swaps, which is much more than the Heat or Knicks can offer.
And those picks will be great after Curry retires and Giannis leaves (which he presumably will once Curry retires).
I don’t think it’s absolutely crazy for Steph to not retire in the near future. Could easily see him lasting til he’s like lebrons age. Particularly if they’re contenders with giannis as the number 1 option to take the load off of him.
I have long thought that Steph could play for a LONG time - obviously one of the things that made him great is movement off the ball, but you could park 45 year old Steph in the corner and someone is still gonna have to guard him
Yeah his shooting is his biggest weapon and that’s something that is least affected by age. Plus he’s in great shape. The biggest question is does he wanna play a lot longer? Prob not if the warriors are a lottery team. But as a contender with giannis? Maybe so.
he starts to become such a defensive liability though, and I think you’re underestimating how much of his success comes from speed, movement, and being the best dribbler in 20 years not named Kyrie Irving.
My guess is that’s what curry is telling them behind the scenes too, dont think he’d want to stay around to tank but as a second or third option on a contender he might be down to go till he can’t - which is a giant incentive to not go for a rebuild from picks.
Giannis for Steph, who says no
*besides everybody on both sides
Both sides? Why on earth would the Bucks say no to this?
we can offer multiple picks and swaps post steph.
we also have a simple salary matching w/ Jimmy
lmao broke down Jimmy for Giannis.
It would be picks for Giannis, Jimmy would just be there to make it work financially
well clearly its just about the picks and not jimmy…
I can’t imagine that the Bucks would be willing to take Butler.
Jimmy and picks that will kick in when Steph retires
Their picks will be good. That team is ass after Curry retires.
Picks during the season. Things change into the off season
His entire point is the bucks need to tank and keep top 7 pick in this draft get picks for future years
Everyone acting shocked as if 4 firsts and swaps with most of those coming in after Steph (and likely Giannis) comes off the books in 2 years isn’t going to be the best draft equity offered
I think it’s because the common narrative is the Warriors have nothing of value talent wise (which is completely true)
Their picks are so valuable because they’re gonna be awful in a couple years once Curry’s retired
it’s going to be really interesting what happens once steph retires - can the ownership group continue to put good teams together? Will it remain a good free agency location?
No. They will be like any other team. Same as Spurs after Duncan / Kawhi
Our problem was that ownership was too hard headed to see this and delayed our rebuild 3 years in favor of a middling 35-40 win team led by Derozan and LMA.
haha its pretty funny that demar derozen has blocked like three rebuilds
People letting the warriors hate get to them aside from the player value those FRPS and swaps are incredibly valuable.
They have 4 firsts???
More if you include swaps.
Yeah no other team that wants Giannis and Giannis might want to go to has a future that grim.
Correct, so it’s good for giannis, the warriors and the Bucks IMO.
Why would the Milwaukee GM trade for picks that won’t convey until after he’s most-likely fired?
While theoretically other teams can beat GSW’s offer, the market is in a very strange place. The teams that have an excess of draft picks are either rebuilding or have an established core they probably don’t want to mess with this year, and the teams that would want to be aggressive on Giannis are bereft of assets and/or don’t have the salaries to put together. The Warriors are one of the only win now teams that have all of their picks going forward (aside from the 2030 fake 1st owed to Washington they could conceivably get back), and they happen to have a dollar for dollar salary match that’s expiring next year in Butler.
Lol
Breaking News:
Giannis Antetokounmpo has been traded to the dodgers in exchange for \(650M with \)649M deferred.
Hope Golden State pulls it off, Steph deserves that. And it really would be smart for the Bucks to get all their future picks. Once Steph falls off that team’s future is so bleak and they also know Giannis has been more and more hurt lately too
Deserves that is pretty funny
I get that Steph is loyal and everything but he’s still played with more talent than almost anyone in league history lmao
He was on the greatest team of all time for a multi year stretch and has had a lot of incredible teammates
Poor steph and his 4 rings and trillion dollars in one of the coolest cities in the world 🥺
Straightforward as in “this is all we have, sorry we can’t offer much else”
4 1st and matching salary with Jimmy
Honestly OKC or Spurs could do the funniest thing right now because they have the defacto best possible packages for Giannis.
Both teams could beat this offer so easily. But yeah, they don’t seem to be even remotely interested
Who do you want to sacrifice to match Gianni’s salary? Spurs can use Fox as a single player.
OKC could send Chet, I Hart, and Nikola Topic and 2 FRP’s or something like that idk
Maybe straightforward but the Warriors have nothing of value except picks which would become less valuable if they increased their talent.
Not really. Given Steph’s age and Giannis becoming increasingly prone to injury, those picks in the 2030s would still be very appealing.
it’s very OKC like long term outlook you’re trusting with dudes that thought waiving and stretching dame for myles turner was a good idea.
It might be the best deal- but remember that there no guarantee the current GM is going to last long enough to see those fruits ripen. From the perspective of GM self-preservation, the deal may not be sufficient - rightly or wrongly.
What else would Bucks even want? Not like they are contending anytime soon. Why would they want good players now anyway lmao
Warriors also have Kuminga who can develop pretty well and get traded somewhere as well for picks who is very low value right now
I want Curry-Lebron-Giannis!
Whenever you have the chance to land a injured 36 year old and a draft bust no one wants, you have to take it
You just know he wants to play with Steph
I think a lot of comments here forget that if Giannis wants he can force this trade and it doesn’t matter what Bucks want. If he says that if they don’t accept any teams offer, he will walk away at free agency and then they get nothing. I get that Warriors don’t have the most attractive offer (objectively) but it doesn’t necessarily matter. If Giannis wants out he can force them to accept whatever he wants.
….So remember when Storm and T’Challa broke up in the comics and T’Challa literally told Storm “Anyone but him” and she went directly to the him aka Wolverine?
I want Giannis to thrive anywhere, but not GSW. I spent years hating them for destroying the NBA after the Next Chapter. I can’t do this
I’d like at least one star to stay out east but if he’s coming out west I would love to see him on the warriors over pretty much anybody
I love how every year, no matter the superstar, the Warriors and the Heat are somehow always the best option.
No other team can dangle the Kuminga Sweepstakes
I love how we are supposed to give the guy away for a bunch of dog shit to help out the dude with 4 rings. How about we send him somewhere that will give us 500 picks and something worth watching?
There’s no deal unless it includes Podziemski, as this would mean a lot for Milwaukee’s polish community
Done. I will drive the white Shohei to the airport
Lmao
I can’t imagine selling your fans on picks that might be good after Curry retires as the haul for a top 3 player. I guess it’s better than the clown show Knicks packages that media outlets keep spamming though.
Who has a better offer? I’m genuinely curious.