[Highlight] SGA elbows Herb Jones in the head, crashes to the ground and gets called for a technical for flailing
Is this satire??
How in the world do you issue a tech for flopping AND still uphold the foul on the defensive player
What the hell is happening
I’m going to get downvoted because of my OKC flair, but I’ve seen this happen probably a dozen times over the last decade or so. Herb can foul SGA AND SGA can illegally flail the elbow. It’s definitely a weird outcome, but not unprecedented.
*I have no strong opinion on if Herb fouled SGA or not. Seems like there was some illegal contact but not enough where I think a foul is definitely warranted. SGA deserved the tech for the elbow.
This happens to the bulls from time to time. It’s always infuriating but I mean, I’ve come to expect calls like this against the bulls lol
This makes sense and I would love to see reffing like this to make the game more watchable (amongst a lot of things they don’t call in the NBA vs every other league).
SGA is scoring at an elite rate in terms of efficiency and doesn’t need to do this.
It’s not a flop. It’s a tech for hitting players in the head.
This just happened in the Rockets Sixers game and the announcer was losing his mind. Oubre was guarding KD and was in KD’s space. He bumped KD and the blew the whistle, and as that happened KD elbowed Oubre in the head. They reviewed it and it was a common foul on Oubre and dead ball technical on KD
We had something similar too recently versus the Nuggets. There was a play where Marcus Smart hit Aaron Gordon’s arm at the start of his shooting motion, then Gordon kicked Smart in the nuts while following through. The foul was on Smart for the initial contact and a tech was given to Gordon for the follow through kick.
Last night Timme got smacked in the face and they only called a common offensive foul no tech
That’s different. Kelly was playing defense w his face in kd shooting space. SGA is using his off arm to fend off the defender
KD’s shooting space? He was at half court
It wasn’t a flopping tech
This feels like a sketch lmao.
Eh I think this entire post is a social experiment to see who is actually watching the play tbh.
The fact that there are people calling this a flop is hilarious.
Is it just OP’s wish? Im not sure I believe this
Edit: damn still a foul on herb
When a player commits what’s basically a foul but it happens after another foul has been already called, the second foul can only be called a tech. The contact to Shai’s left shoulder and left of side of his body I’m guessing is deemed the initial foul, so the contact from Shai’s forearm to Herb’s face after then can’t be an offensive foul but only a tech.
For example, a similar call was made when the Lakers recently played the Nuggets on a play where Marcus Smart hit Aaron Gordon’s arm at the start of his shooting motion, then Gordon kicked Smart in the nuts while following through. The foul was on Smart for the initial contact and a tech was given to Gordon for the follow through.
I fucking hate the modern NBA for this shit.
Herb was still called for a defensive foul after a review. If ruled an offensive foul it would’ve been SGA’s 4th
4 fouls on Shai? Nah, refs ain’t playin that shiiiiii
He currently has 19 points on 4-14 shooting 0-2 from 3 and 11-12 from the free throw line
Classic SGA statline
FTA
Cant have that
Username checks out. Good luck out there in a 5v8 game. You had no chance.
Didn’t SGA get a tech? I’m not following.
Wait Herb got the tech or Shai?
Herb was called for a defensive foul. Pels challenged and the call was still defensive foul on Herb, and a tech accessed to Shai for flailing
aka “we can’t give Shai a 4th foul”
Don’t a tech count as a foul?
no, which is weird when you think about it lol
Its not just weird its dumb
Most techs are non contact so I see the reasonin. A guy gets fed up with refs or takes too long you dont wanna aee him foul out but Shai should have been called for the offensive foul
Ya exactly, I think they should change it to a contact flagrant is a foul
My friend once called me the weirdest, dumbest smart person he knows
You’re the dumbest person I know, and I know Will Ospreay! s/
You can be weird and dumb
Yea some rules in the nba make no sense
not really, you get 6 personal fouls or 2 technical fouls whichever comes first
Is there a combination of fouls you could get? Like 3 personal and 1 tech? I don’t know a lot about basketball
No, it’s either 6 fouls or 2 techs to get ejected
nope you can get any combination of them as long as you don’t exceed the max for any particular type
6 personal fouls, 2 technical fouls, or 2 flagrant 1 fouls (or 1 flagrant 2 foul)
you can have 1 tech, 1 flagrant 1, and 5 personal fouls and you’re perfectly fine as long as you don’t pick up anything else
Don’t forget Flagrants. Flagrant 1’s don’t warrant an ejection but Flagrant 2’s are an auto ejection
flagrants are interesting because they’re personal and technical fouls
they’re actually not technical fouls, they just have similar penalties
you can get a flagrant 1 and a technical and stay in the game, draymond did it against us in the playoffs last season (of course bro min maxes his penalties)
fair point i stand corrected
Not really when you consider the awful shit they give techs for. But something like this, yeah I can see it
That’s an almost even worse defense. A foul so bad, it’s not counted as one..but it’s a tech. Should be a foul and a tech imo.
I mean it is and it isn’t. Imagine fouling out or getting pulled for foul trouble for clapping or bouncing a ball too hard. Too subjective
Not so much cause you can get techs for shit that isn’t a foul. Flagrants, on the other hand…
Not as one of the 6 personals you can have
Only in College will a tech count as a personal foul. Flagrant fouls count as personal fouls.
Interesting
Lol wait till you learn there are different types of player technical fouls
imagine the situation where that wasn’t true and you could get ejected for committing defensive 3 seconds twice 💀
Technically, yes
Iirc, under fiba rules it counts. Different for the nba.
AKA the Draymond Special
Bingo. This is a clear as day offensive foul. Considering it was contact to the head, possible flagrant 1 as well.
How did they justify the tech without it being an offensive foul?
They didn’t.
They dont need to, it’s just how the rules work.
If defensive foul happens first and then the offensive player commits illegal contact, it’s a tech and the first foul still counts
Didn’t want to give Shai his 4th foul lol
To play devil’s advocate, if they called that the elbow came after the contact for the defensive foul then I understand the call, as you can’t really offensive foul someone on the continuation from a defensive foul. I don’t think it looks like that or that it was a good call, but depending on when they are saying the “defensive foul” happened, I get what they are calling.
Ref: Because I said so
Because it was a reckless move, but it happened AFTER the defensive foul.
Frankly, a flagrant 1 probably would’ve made more sense, but I guess it didn’t look bad enough or intentional to be a flagrant.
it was upheld after a review?????????
Correct, this was obviously a “don’t want to give Shai a 4th foul so let’s make it a tech” call
It’s crazy cause Shai plants his right foot and jumps back into herb AND elbows him.
What in the absolute fuck lmao.
Honestly this should be a lesson to players. Just constantly praise the ref and get one of the friendliest whistles in the NBA
Wait, what?
This is like getting arrested for resisting arrest.
This makes no fucking sense.
just a tech? anything above the shoulder should be at least a flagrant 1.
Terrible caption by OP if that’s the case haha
it was reviewed and it was still defensive foul? dafuq?
The refs should be investigated
That’s ridiculous lol why would Herb be called for a defensive foul??
That was a flagrant 1 for any non MVP level player
It’s sad that this needs to be clarified.
One of these days, I’m gonna make a sub for this specific issue.
I’m not sure what to even call it.
Perhaps r/headlinesthatsoundliketheywerewrittenbyidiots
Lmao. It’s so obviously biased it’s not even funny. I’ve never seen it called this way, in fact I’ve seen the Pelicans get called for an offensive foul on identical challenges several times this season.
This wasn’t an offensive foul?
It was an and-1 for SGA.
it’s the thunder, they play under a different rulebook
If they’re going to call the elbow then it’s an offensive foul or flagrant. If anything, the only contact from Herb happens before the gather so I don’t see how that’s an and-1. It would’ve been SGA’s 4th foul too.
Shai straight up plants his right foot and jumps right back into herb. Oh and also elbows him. Makes no sense
Insanity…that’s an offensive foul all day every day
especially when an offensive foul here would’ve been shai’s 4th. so obvious they didn’t want to call it on him, so he gets a tech. but still the and-1? genuinely wtf
Literally last game lol
Is this the first instance of a player getting T’d up after getting the call? Isn’t the flop rule for exactly what happened here (that wasn’t called)? Offensive player elbowed the defender in the face, flopped to sell it as a defensive foul, and got T’d up. If it’s a defensive foul, shouldn’t that basically rule out the possibility of a T for flopping?
I’M SO FUCKING CONFUSED
reffing is so whack right now i literally watch basketball non-stop and i still don’t know the rules of the game
It’s whatever the refs that day want. The rules are gibberish and made up as they go. Some days they allow tons of contact and on reviews obvious fouls are deemed “incidental”. Other days it is a contact free sport. It’s the number one problem with the nba - what is legal defence?
The line between what’s a foul and what’s just a regular basketball play is invisible right now.
OP’s title is what’s confusing
It’s not a flop tech. The “flail” is the arm bar players use to fend off contests
The tech is on the contact. He gets hit in the head but after committing the defensive foul. It isn’t that rare or weird of a call
he “elbows herb jones in the head” is also a bit suspect…. he def contacted him and deserved a call, but that’s certainly not what I’d picture if someone said they were elbowed in the head.
Scrolled way too far down to see this
Except the contact only happens because SGA jumps in a unnatural way extending himself into the defenders path(including the elbow), we had this figured out years ago when Trae was doing it… why is it back?
No, SGA makes a natural motion towards the rim. He got beat and tried to cut off the angle the contest. The elbow is also just a natural fend off, we see plays like this towards the rim every game.
This isn’t Trae Young jumping backwards.
Exactly. SGA actually had the clear path to the rim going further to the other side of the rim, but instead he attacks straight to the rim and swings his arm to make contact while pushing the defenders contest away. This is a straight up offensive foul.
it’s definitely not the first, probably not even close to the first either but i know it’s definitely not the first because KD had this happen the other day when we played the sixers, Oubre put his face in KD’s space and KD caught him with an elbow bringing the ball across. defensive foul on Oubre, technical foul on KD
You’re being mislead by OPs title. The defensive foul is called and upheld. Then, after that defensive foul, Shai is called for the dead ball technical for the elbow to the face. It was NOT a flopping technical.
“contact both ways” herb jumping with his hands up
SGA doing MVP things
I mean yeah I guess herb is making a lot of contact because my head will touch you when you elbow me, but….
smh, you can’t headbutt another players elbow anymore. Game is gone!
Team should start leaving the games to protest blatant stupidity. It’s been too long
thats what im sayin, where is the outrage gang
Mfs will look you in the face and call you a casual if you say this is bad basketball.
You gotta stop fighting with 14 year olds
Its box office poison.
If it’s too stupid for pickup basketball or highschool games then it’s probably bad basketball. It’s crazy all the travelling and flopping the top league allows.
If you think THIS play is “bad basketball” then you think most of NBA history is bad basketball
Like shai has some rough plays I’ll admit, but wtf are yall looking at lol
Either way it’s insane that this was upheld as a defensive foul. Herb Jones went straight up and Shai jumped into him
Should have been a flagrant 1, but NBA golden boy can’t be called for anything
Throwing your elbow in someone’s face is literally a textbook flagrant
Refs: Well acktually he gets free throws when he does it.
Bucket counted too. 3 pts for SGA. Lmao.
If you want a flagrant 1 for this you need to go and watch a non-contact sport instead
Free Throw Alexander in top tier form
haha fuck SGA, bum ass “mVp”
Technical was for contact with the defender head not for falling.
And happens after the defensive foul for Herb jumping into him (starts jump outside of circle, ends inside).
this is pretty unambiguous.
The NBA is a shit product sometimes… way too often.
He’s entering Harden levels of “I should like this guy but I hate watching him play”
If u hate this play then u should hate a lot of players
Not sure how SGA is flailing here. Looked like a pretty normal NBA fall
It is. Unfortunately you’re on r/nba
Referees finally got the memo
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Pffffff
I don’t even think SGA flailed that bad here. He’s done much worse
How can it be both of those things at the same time lol
The defensive foul is called and upheld upon review, which ends the play. The elbow to the face is then called as a dead ball technical since the play is officially over once the defensive foul is called.
Fuck this guy
SGA does get the golden whistle
Dude wtf why would they even call it like that? How can you uphold the defensive call with the offensive player getting a tech
Well, I’ll try to make this clear: the defensive player clearly fouled first (it’s more clear if the clip was a little longer), and then SGA elbowed the defender. The problem is that the refs can’t call a normal offensive foul on the continuation of an action that started with a defensive foul, so they gave SGA a technical for the elbow.
It’s very clear they were trying to be fair to the defensive player and punish SGA for the elbow, but r/nba can’t see anything involving an SGA fouls with clarity. There were several calls that were very favorable to the Pelicans tonight, and obviously some went our way, but there was certainly no conspiracy along the refs.
100% offensive he gets the call 95% of the time so why is it going to stop
They need to call these on SGA more often. He whines himself/flops into fouls every game and it’s really taken away from his athletic prowess. Now he’s just a crybaby wuss
I used to think refs were just incompetent, now I’m pretty sure they sniff glue during timeouts…
What the hell has happened to the sport I love?
Well his face shouldn’t have gotten in the way of Shai’s elbow
/s
I mean, SGA definitely hit him in the head, should probably be an offensive foul but Herb also commits a very obvious defensive foul jumping into him. Guess refs decided the defensive foul happened first.
The master baiter.
Bruh why do OKC and Shai especially have so many of the weirdest ref decisions i’ve ever seen called and decided on after further review?
NBA wants a dynasty. It’s clear owners think the League is better long term with dynasty’s.
Oh man, the idea that the NBA is in a dark room looking at Oklahoma on the map and rubbing their hands together got me dying. Never stop /r/nba.
I’m sorry, WAT
The no calls on Dort at the end of the game were almost as mind boggling. I didn’t realize it was this bad in OKC. Feels like they aren’t even hiding it over there.
Jfc lmao
We Are The Chosen Franchise
So getting elbowed in the head is a foul now but reacting to it is a technical? NBA refs are really in their creative writing era
Delusional r/NBA as usual.
Obvious offensive foul.
This is the most Adam Silver thing I’ve ever witnessed.
Who got the tech?
SGA
So Shai got the tech for flailing but the contact from flailing was called a Defensive foul?
just mvp things
What’s sad is young kids gonna grow up idolizing this bs.
What tf?
this league is unwatchable
These comments are like watching Republicans react to another ICE agent video
One of these games the other team needs to just walk off the court. I’m not even kidding
Yall have lost your fucking minds lmaooo
God good this place is insane
Reminds me how Blake used to dunk on people and not get called for offensive fouls
Oh boy I love watching nba players jump without ever planning to land no matter what I hope they stop calling this
Fuck this shit
Bruh, Herb got grazed.
Look, With Jones making his return from an eight-game absence due to a right ankle sprain, the Pelicans opted to include him as part of a starting unit that lacked a true point guard while Jeremiah Fears moved to the bench.
Elbows someone in the face, flops, still gets the foul called in his favor. Jfc.
Man. Getting real tired of shai and is shit
Thats not even a defensive foul tho lol
To be fair, Herb’s head got in the way of SGA’s elbow 🤣
How is that a defensive foul. Should be one offensive foul via elbow to the face, then technical for flopping like a bitch.
This is why you kinda can’t take the reddit train seriously, even if the target is reffing. It’s not really much of an elbow, shai barely even touches him. Absolutely a flop. Plus Jones definitely moves forward and gets him with his chest. Pretty cut and dry, y’all wanna stay upset for some reason.
I am sure I will be downvoted into oblivion, but I’m just going to come out and say it:
SHAI GILGEOUS ALEXANDER IS OVERRATED AND SHOULD HAVE NEVER WON THE MVP.
Most overrated MVP winner in the last 25 years easily.
Threads like this remind me that this sub does not know the rules of basketball and is just full of brainrot kids
Refs need to be accountable too not just players
This is the way.
They’ve clearly been trying to crack down hard on OKC recently
I hate you!!
ugly anakin scream
What happened to the sport I love
It’s not getting any better. Wished it would knew it wouldn’t
The fact that so many people commenting here don’t understand how this combination of a defensive foul and a technical for contact after the whistle is completely reasonable is an indictment of the basketball literacy of r/NBA.
Not pure and ethical…..