Marcus Thompson, Warriors reporter for The Athletic, insinuates that there have been trades Stephen Curry has wanted to do that the front office has refused:
Lol, I saw this somewhere else. Steph was pushing the front office to trade for Bradley Beal.
I know it’s fashionable to dump on GSW right now, but players do not necessarily make good GMs and should not be making personnel decisions.
We have plenty of evidence. It was LeBron and AD who pushed for Westbrook in LA. KD teamed up with Booker and Beal to form a super (shit) team. Michael Jordan was better at hitting curveballs than draft picks.
Reportedly, the Warriors vets wanted to keep Avery Bradley over Gary Payton II before the 21-22 season. Without Payton’s defense in the playoffs that season, GS might not have won.
Even great players do not always have a good sense for building a roster.
(heads up for the youngins: Michael Jordan could not hit curveballs for shit lol)
Senor crappy was his baseball nickname
Could still be Air Jordan cause that’s what he was swingin at
Plz don’t cuss
well of course now, he was exhausted from having to fight the Monstars so he wouldn’t be sold to a martian theme park owner
Yeah, it’s been well reported that Steph has both input and does not have the final say (and is obviously okay with that because otherwise he could make shit happen). It’s a very healthy relationship and it’s the way it should be. Like if you’re trading a guy like Wiggins or Poole, he needs to be on board, but also, he can’t be the guy saying who needs to be there.
KD and Kyrie also made the Nets sign Deandre Jordan which was a disaster
I mean, DeAndre is an S-tier locker room vibes guy. He just doesn’t need to be seeing meaningful court time.
Thanks for Jarrett Allen btw. Hopefully you dudes won a couple chips with your Big 3.
Lmao JA for a shot at a once in a generation core of superstars is always going to be worth it. Not nearly a mistake on the level of the others mentioned. Just covid and bad injury luck (and KDs big shoe) that prevented them from winning. Still worth it to add Harden to the team
nah fr plus the cavs haven’t done shit but b frauds year in and year out
Are you sure about that? Nets have been rebuilding ever since. Maybe the bet was too much of a risk?
They’ve been rebuilding for two years. Hardly a lifetime. You need superstars to win a ring and winning is the only thing that matters, you go all in for it when and if you get a generational guy like KD, not half in while saving Jarrett Allen. No one is looking back on the Cavs core with Mobley JA Mitchell etc as some great success story if they don’t win.
You guys haven’t done much either lol
tbf prior to Westbrook LeGM was one of the best in the entire league. Granted he had the benefit of starting with LeBron James on any team.
Its not that LeGM was good or bad, its that hes the most versatile star player in history. He can fit with almost anybody. But not washed Westbrook, and certainly not with Ham as coach.
Thing is Russ had career high numbers on the Wizards so he was far from washed leading up to it.
His fit on the Lakers was poor due to spacing. LeBron already isn’t much of a shooter and Russ isn’t a shooter. Both need the ball
If they had kept some of the baby Lakers they would have a better team. Especially Zubac
That assumed a solid GM which - aside from the Luka heist - Pelinka is not.
Not defending Pelinka, but Magic was The Man at that point. Rob’s boss, if you will.
Yes, but Pelinka soon took over. I do not think Pelinka could have ever turned Zo, Ingram, Zu, Randle, D’Lo, and others into a contender.
Oof
That is kinda wild to think about…
Apparently the trade being referred to here was to trade for Bradley Beal in 2021. Steph (and Draymond) have shown they aren’t exactly the best GMs. Along with this proposed trade, it has been made public Steph and/or Draymond wanted:
Avery Bradley over GP2 in 2022
Kuminga to be drafted. Ownership wasn’t the only group not on the same page with Kerr on that one
To not fire Mark Jackson.
And that’s from what I can remember off the top of my head. I’m not saying the team FO should completely ignore their superstar, but Steph definitely is not the best GM in the world
Steph wanted a lot of Kent Bazemore too.
There’s so many example we’ll never know. You can’t let the inmates run the asylum. Players are awful GMs while playing.
tbf there was a brief minute there where kent bazemore was one of the premier 3&D role players when he was with atlanta
He was for sure. Then Steph wanted him back when he was washed.
Yeah I rmr Houston wanted him for years
Ex; The Bucks.
Locker room presence and morale is very important and overlooked by fans. Even if Kent was washed by that point, your superstar likes him on the team.
Which is ultimately why he was brought on.
You can’t let the inmates run the asylum.
Comparing players to inmates is a bizarre metaphor to use. I don’t understand why people keep using it.
Because it’s an excellent metaphor turned into an idiom that explains the exact reason why you don’t want players running teams.
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The two timelines wouldn’t have been a disaster if they didn’t make 2.5 awful picks (Moody has been decent I guess), Wiseman and Kuminga were disaster picks and Bob Myers gets to run away and act like he didn’t cause this lol
The funniest part is that Haliburton has all but said that Kerr was his biggest fan through the draft process and if the Warriors just had the balls to say “fuck the draft board, this guy’s who we want” the 2 timelines thing would be going flawlessly right now.
Not flawlessly. We’d still have a defensively limited and tiny backcourt and Haliburton probably would have been traded. Still a better situation than picking Wiseman.
Yes it’s a disaster either way. You trade two lottery picks in the middle of a dynasty every single time
You’re falling for the headline. The solution to having poorly-performing draft picks is not to trade them for another bad, but more expensive player like Bradley Beal. The real disaster would have been to do the moves you want and not win in 2022 because of them.
Hell no. That’s how you end up with the KD Nets and the KD Suns. You don’t bend over backwards for Star demands. You do what’s best for them whether they know that at the time or not.
The two timelines was the right plan with poor execution. If Wiseman was an average best big prospect in his class he’d be Chet or JJJ. The Warriors would be pretty good with those guys. Even a younger Ayton.
KD Suns are a fair example but definitely not the Nets. They functioned as a great team when healthy but injuries put a nail in that. Kyrie’s idiocy wasn’t the most predictable either.
The Nets is a good example for me, not in how they were built, but in how they were allowed to manage and run the team once there. Benching Jarret Allen for a washed Deandre Jordan. Hiring and then firing Steve Nash. Kyrie losing his shit during Covid and then subsequently repairing his image is unpredictable.
Maybe Wiseman would have got there if not for season ending injuries in his first four years.
I think he would have been a rotation player at least. He didn’t have a fast enough mind to keep up with NBA speeds and he never really learned how to set a screen. The injuries were just brutal unfortunately.
No lol. Dude is a bum
This is a better argument for KD who is a hired gun and teams shouldn’t have any loyalty to him, not Steph whose mere existence put Billions of dollars in your pocket and turned your poverty franchise into a global brand. Even If Steph’s choices fuck up the team for a couple years after he leaves so what?
Two timelines being the right plan is insane.
In the middle of a dynasty you cash in your assets to build on that dynasty.
Insane shit
Let’s go back to 2019. Steph had just broken his hand and was out for the season. Klay was hurt and had a season ending injury. Iggy was traded away to get under the tax and was quickly becoming washed. KD left. Boogie was gone. The Warriors had no promising young players besides Kevon Looney who looked like he was about to be out of the league.
What should the Warriors have done other than restock their talent pool with young players?
Got it.. so you thought the dynasty was over, and turned out to be historically wrong
No. I thought they needed more assets and drafting high in the lottery is a good way to do that.
You were like- we have a top 10 player ever, a DPOY, a HOF coach, and Klay coming back… but let’s not build on that and instead draft two long term projects instead of bringing in help for guys who have already won 3…. And were proven unequivocally, historically wrong.
Quite literally more wrong than any basketball take has been proven this decade.
You are a Warrior fan who bet against Steph, clown
I hope the bad stuff going on in your life gets better. No one doing well speaks like you.
Kuminga had potential. He was ranked higher than Paolo and Chet in HS and he reclassed to get to the league earlier. If he goes to a bad team and they put the ball in his hands on day 1 he could be comparable to Paolo right now. Rather than being benched because he set screens wrong and he didn’t pass the Steph a few times
I know people love to empower players on here (and shit on GSW) but let’s be real, with this shit still happening and being a thing it speaks volumes of kum buckets coachability. If that dude gave any fucks about seeing the court he would have been on the same page as the coach and team by now. He’s a bad apple until proven otherwise imo.
I think that’s a fair assessment but it begs the question…. Why is he still on the team racking up DNPs when it’s been obvious he’s not in their plan for 2 years now. It’s like they’re trying to get another team to believe in him so much they’re willing to overpay but they aren’t willing to even play him in games. At this point he’s just a sunk cost and a locker room headache.
I don’t think they’re holding out for any reason other than they haven’t been offered anything that would improve the team. Malik Monk + a protected first (that won’t convey) is just as useless to them as JK. At the very least, JK offers them an insurance policy at the end of the bench if shit hits the fan (think tank commander lol). I don’t think they’re even expecting a big return anymore, they just don’t have any reason to give him away for free.
But this has been proven false. There were credible offers for him. GSW’s inability to alter/modify the offense to accommodate and [potentially showcase his skillset for trade, is the bigger issue as to why they aren’t getting better offers.
Player development is not Kerr’s thing.
Kerr developed: moody, Poole, podz, draymond, etc. that’s off the top of my head.
You’re either smart enough to play for Kerr or you aren’t. Both wiseman and kuminga have seemed to be too dumb to play in the nba. Wiseman especially, but we’ll see with kuminga. I’ll bet he’s also too dumb.
kum buckets
Wild
But we’ve also seen certain coaches have it in for young players and those players flourish when they get away from those coaches. Steve Kerr has not developed a single young player. 2 years ago Kuminga tried to get traded because he felt he was being treated unfairly. And they told him he’s part of the plan, and 3 seasons in a row they took him out of the rotation until injuries forced him back in.
Jordan Poole exists. Jameis Wiseman was a bust and Kuminga has a generationally low BBIQ. You can’t blame Kerr for dudes being ass and/or not listening to his coaching. He’s doesn’t have a great track record, but he’s also had shit picks for most of the last decade. The real issue is the two times they had high picks they whiffed.
The “Kerr doesn’t develop young players” is such a lazy narrative. I guess Wiseman is still in the league, but who cares. Jordan Poole never played better ball than with Kerr. He has played a brand of unserious basketball that started in GSW that led to the punch and the trade. Kuminga has shown he is a less prolific Cam Thomas. Moody has had 5 years and cannot have a rotation role regularly. Suggesting they can develop now in light of a half decade of irrelevance is fool’s gold.
Podz never believes he can be the white Ohtani without Kerr’s tutelage.
You can’t blame Kerr than a single draft pick since 2015 hasn’t been good. Hmm
Jordan Poole is trash
Do they flourish or do they go somewhere where nobody gives a shit about winning and they can put up pointless stats?
They’re not winning in GSW without Kuminga so what’s this supposed to prove?
It doesn’t prove anything it was a question. I think 9⁄10 when a good coach thinks a player isn’t a winning player and can’t flourish in their system they are right. That doesn’t mean they can’t go somewhere and be a 20/5/3 player it means letting them do that on your team would make your team worse.
So when he said he wanted to leave 3 years ago why keep bringing him back and promising to give him a bigger role just to end up removing him from the rotation? This is the third year in a row. And they did that gaslighting ass “Kuminga is big part of our future” and then stopped playing after the trade deadline, then did the same thing last year, he was a free agent this year and the signed the qualifying offer so he couldn’t het other offers because whatever he got they said they would match. If he’s not a fit let him leave
Because this is a business and his salary has value. The only people being gaslit were fans who actually listen to what coaches and gms have to say about assets they are trying to ship out. Kuminga knows he isn’t part of the plan.
Are you arguing just to argue. Yes the people being gaslit are the people he talks to. Kuminga said they don’t try to develop him years ago. They tell him to be aggressive to score and then he is and he gets benched. He asked to leave years ago.
Kuminga fell to #7 in the draft. Even Sam presti passed on him who reportedly scouted him heavily. His athleticism and tools are #1 pick worthy but he ain’t it.
Expected value of #7 pick is decent rotation player. Harrison Barnes made a lot of money.
He didn’t fall to 7. He went a year earlier. He was the top player in his class. He took extra classes to finish HS without playing a senior year and went to the g league so he could get drafted earlier. He didn’t fall
That’s why he was the #1 player freshman, sophomore and junior year. But senior year it was between Paolo, Chet and Jabari because Kuminga didn’t play a senior year
he could be comparable to Paolo right now
He’s already a mediocre overhyped player though?
Paolo is also strangely…not good?
Not good but is an all star. Crazy
I trust our FO that they talk to Steph through all of them. They may not do them/get them done, but I’m sure they talk Steph through the entire process start to finish.
Everyone thinks it’s demanding and not compromising or even just a conversation. They think it’s impossible for a collaborative effort to exist.
To do everything and anything the player wants would be stupid, just like not consulting him at all on moves would also be stupid.
It was also well-reported that they were pushing to get Paul George in the 2024 offseason, which would have been a huge mistake.
> Bradley Beal in 2021
That is only a bad deal in hindsight.
Bradley Beal was had an amazing 2021 though, and at that point he already had 2 seasons of 30 PPG+
That being said, the whole no trade clause was downright stupid.
And we could’ve gotten a haul for him then. By then, Beal was still very good but clearly not first option material and it would’ve made perfect sense to start rebuilding. BTW, the no trade clause wasn’t there until his next contract, signed a year later.
Beal’s another small guard. It wouldn’t have worked with Steph who’s another small guard.
Was Poole not a small guard? I know, different salaries, but it worked.
That worked mostly because they used Poole as Steph lite when Curry was resting on the bench IIRC
Eh, I was in the group on our sub that didn’t think Beal would move the needle enough for whatever we would be giving up for him.
Don’t forget Draymond getting on his podcast and claiming he was the one who killed the Podz for Lauri Markonen trade
Not a surprise, Curry probably doesn’t care for the Warriors future 1sts. And I don’t see why the Warriors care either, who knows when they’ll have a generational talent again
Its kinda crazy they never fully put them on table
With the Stepien rule those massive trades of trading 3 or 4 1sts are not all that damaging
They’re extremely damaging and even more damaging in this new cba where rookie contracts are going to be a premium for teams
They are now but they’ve never really put all those chips in during their heyday.
The reason their payroll was huge was because of the cap spike enabling them to get KD and rolling that to DLo, Wiggins, and now Butler. It’s only barely below the 2nd apron now because they rightfully called Klay on his bluff and let him walk.
If you have no 1sts you have more opportunities to offer the top undrafted rree agents
We see a ton of 2 way guys better then a ton of 1st rounders…
Put their chips in for who? What player and season are we talking about here? Because the other part is the contracts needed to match on top of the picks
Not really. Minnesota traded a ton for gobert and we’re fine
Theres more ways tk add rookies then just your 1st
“We” with the nuggets flair?
Were autocorrected.
Connelly perma rebuilding since then though ;)
The only leverage Steph really has is that if things get bad enough that he’ll request a trade, no? If they don’t think he’ll do that, then his requests are easily ignored.
I mean, he’s 37
Curry is a fantastic player, but it’s probably not worth hemorrhaging the future for him at this point
I guess it depends on whether you think he could still be the top player on a title team. From what I’ve seen of the guy over the past couple of seasons, the answer to that is a resounding yes.
Yeah but the problem is building that title team
What realistic moves are out there for the Warriors to be contenders without gutting the roster too much
At some point, a rebuild is the right path forward and both parties will eventually realize that
There aren’t any anymore; they backed themselves into a corner with their two timelines bullshit and bad moves like re-signing Klay after his injuries and keeping Draymond. I’m just saying that in a vacuum, Curry’s still good enough to build a contender around, regardless of his age.
Then they should both split ways. The Warriors feel like a team that’s just trying to have their cake and eat it too. It’s the same thing with Kuminga. They don’t want to give up assets to improve the team but they don’t want to start rebuilding. With Jimmy now having a torn ACL them being a competitive playoff team for the next 2 years is shut. Just take off the bandaid and start the rebuild.
Curry should just retire next summer. He’s got nearly $500m in NBA earnings and plenty of accolades. He’ll be 39 at the end of next season.
Chasing another ring somewhere else doesn’t do anything for him. Just retire and be a gold dad.
that’s why we’re in this mess in the first place! owner and front office have been saying this for 5 years
The thing is though, the Warriors focused on their 2 timelines way too early. I say that as someone who was a big supporter of Wiseman and Kuminga.
Had they traded their picks back then, maybe we would still be making deep playoff runs.
What future? Steph Curry fills the seats and sells the merch. You can have ten number one picks in a row and you won’t get another Steph. There will be generations of warriors fans that will never see the kind of success that Steph has brought to this franchise and the kind of joy he’s brought to the Bay area.
If Steph wants to be on the team, you do what it takes to give him a dignified end to his career. The future can get fucked because the future is gonna be fucked no matter what once Steph is gone. Who cares about a few years of Kuminga iso-ing them into the 11th seed?
And yeah, I thought they should have traded the Wiseman pick and should have traded Kuminga a long time ago. But they are where they are and if Steph wants to be there, mortgage the future to stretch this as far as it can go. We saw the 19-20 season. It was bleak, man. Out there rooting for Eric Paschall and Marquese Chriss. We’ll be back there one way or another, but I don’t see why we’d hurry it along.
They shouldn’t have cared several years back but they should absolutely care now. Steph is about to be 38 and there’s no telling how soon he will either retire or drop off. They’re now actually in a position where they have to try and worry about two very different phases of team building and can’t commit to either one without completely wrecking the other.
Kerr and Curry are on good terms, correct?
He’s still the head coach what do you think?
Yes
Are we supposed to be pissed that a player is a player and the front office is the front office?
Of fucking course there have been.
Steph did not want to baby sit Wiseman and Kuminga in the middle of a dynasty, he wanted vet help and competent role players
The fact that he dragged that 22 team to a NBA championship is insane still
Is this a surprise?
A player wants to trade for his buddies….a GM/Front Office actually has to run a team for the short and long-term.
Steph has endured a lot? As in, from an unsupportive ownership?
lol
$750m in tax payments. Most in the league by a long shot.
well it’s good that they didn’t listen to steph considering they won a chip without it
Any org that lets players make trades is straight up Dumb. Most players (specifically star players) have shown they don’t know shit about roster construction. And many of them - despite being in the 1% of basketball players in the world - view the game in the same lens as fans. Proof? Look at the thousands of player podcasts where they’ve shown us just how dumb they are lol.
Brent Bones was on No Dunks last week and brought up that the Warriors might look into trading Curry after Jimmy’s torn acl injury. Imo not a bad idea if Steph wants to help the Warriors future and wants to compete for championships. Especially if this is Steve Kerr’s final year as the Warriors head coach.
Kuminga was incredibly raw and needed coaching. His coach with Ignite struggled to say anything good about him besides his athleticism. He needed coaching and instead of learning from a coach who played for all time great coaches, and played with and coached all time greats, he thought he knew better. Rather than caving to him and then watching his bad habits sink the team, Warriors kept the team focused on game style that maximizes Steph.
Could have had Lauri for Kuminga
They didn’t want to include Podz lol
I’ve never seen anything from either Bay Area or Utah media that would back that up.
Besides lebron when has a player ever done well being gm
Kd (twice), steph here trading for beal potentially, kawhi with pg
The players value hesi jimbos too much, the warriors FO fucked up but trading for beal would’ve been the wrong move too
Hopefully Steph takes a management role with GSW in the future and drives the franchise into a ditch with his bad ideas like a latter day Isiah Thomas.
He gone. It’s only a matter of time before he request to go to Charlotte lol. On the real though, they could’ve had Lauri but punk ass Draymond intervened and cut the trade. Steph built the Warriors from the ground up and this how they treat him? Without Steph, they wouldn’t even have had the finances to move out of Oracle. Show your franchise player some respect. This is why you show no loyalty to these scumbag owners and Gms. The minute you decline, best believe they will get you out of there with no hesitation.
Do you really think that Steph wanted Laurie, Draymond didn’t, and the FO listened to Draymond over Steph?
One of the reasons why it’s so dumb when people praise him for not doing this unlike the other stars. We know he’s done it. (personally I don’t care either way)
If there was EVER any doubt about whether or not superstars influenced personnel decisions, that definitely ended when LeBron, err, the Lakers drafted Bronny.
Plus draymonds fingers are all over the lottery picks and one Jacob evans.
I’m certain this happens with ever star player ever
Part of a good FO is to push back on trade ideas by your stars - usually they’re wrong
But I do feel for Steph because even if you get push back on your trade requests the FOs own ideas haven’t been any better lol
I’m sure this applies to almost every franchise player.
I love him and he is basketball Jesus, he asked for some underwhelming trades, we probably woulda been worse off if they did it, but like.. the other choices the management actually made weren’t that great either… the loss of Jerry west in the FO was huge.
If the warriors fire Steve, he is going to demand a trade
Man I hate that we have to watch late-career Steph who’s still at a high level run around like late-career Kobe with a mid asf team. Really wish both sides would split ways but I know it will never happen for a number of reasons. Hopefully he can play next Olympics so we can watch him play important games again. The game is better when Skyfucker is on a good team.
The difference is Kobe was never the same after the Achilles. Curry is a top 10 player still
Bruh just listen to StephGM. Fuck the future.
StephGM wanted Bradley Beal. Still wanna listen to StephGM?
StephGM should be fired into the sun in that case.
Which Bradley Beal did StephGM want? The Wizards Bradley Beal that got traded to the suns?or the one for nothing from the Suns.
According to an earlier post in this thread, Wizards Beal. No idea if that’s true or not.
It was Wizards Beal, but we would have had to trade Wiggins to make it happen. It was good that we ignored Steph here. Marcus Thompson is just trying to start shit.
We still want that make that AD trade happen, NOT MATTER HOW MANY FRPs it takes!