[Charania] The tension within the Milwaukee Bucks organization and the locker room is at an “all-time high.” Giannis Antetokounmpo is frustrated with the losing and the overall situation.
Im convinced we live in an endless news cycle of [Giannis-Kuminga something something Luka defense]
+ Lebron - old and Steph sad
+Mazzulla: “last offseason I was stranded in the Amazon rainforest for 3 weeks with nothing but a machete and a bag of sunflower seeds, and that’s how I devised our new offense”
Mazulla: “last off season I decided to take a meth sabbatical for 30 days, bought an old RV and joined an encampment; once I established myself as the alpha and took over the communal chop shop next to the river, it was at that moment I baptized myself and understood how to scheme the defense this season”
Mazulla: “illegal screen”
Me too
Klay horny
Klay despite the loss
Wemby on pace to be Jimmy Butler levels of corny
Lakers Net Rating vs Lakers Win Record
You forgot teams somehow inquiring about AD for trades
Then 2 days later AD injured
We’re all NPCs. It’s all simulation
What did you say? Giannis for Kuminga?
I feel targeted lol
This is a beautiful bait of a headline too.
Giannis is historically known to be a pretty chill, kind, and calm guy most of the time. “Tension at an all-time high” could mean after one of the games he said “C’mon guys, we really need to do better” with a little bit of an upset tone in his voice.
It’s like if you wrote the headline:
Kawhi shows unprecedented outburst of emotion.
or
Luka Doncic in best shape of his Lakers tenure.
It’s almost like there’s real information, but it’s vague enough to also be completely based on bullshit, since there’s no actual facts or scale offered for comparison.
You just realized professional sports are one big circlejerk?
Giannis needs to get some balls. Request a trade or shut the fuck up.
Agreed. It’s time to request a trade and put an end to this. No one in their right mind thought the team as constructed would be competitive, he needs to stop complaining about not being on a competitive team.
“but but I can’t control what my agents are saying, that’s not me”
I wouldn’t say no one thought it would be competitive. In the east people thought they could at least be a playoff team - but yea not legit compete.
He is obviously using the Damian Lillard strategy to ask out where you don’t actually ask out to maintain the nice, loyal persona.
I’m betting the Bucks just haven’t gotten an offer they’re willing to consider yet.
ETA: I’m not going to respond to every parasocial weirdo defending Dame’s honor in these comments 😭 please go outside
If anything this type of behavior makes people even more annoyed. Either be a man and ask out or stop being fake and two faced. He’s not fooling anyone and he’s actually losing respect
Not to fans who have triple-digit IQs.
Giannis isn’t constantly going to the press about this or posting about it on his social media pages. Sportswriters and people on Reddit talk about it constantly. Blaming Giannis for that is wild.
Exactly. Passive aggression is the absolute worst way to go about it
ask out where you don’t actually ask out
umm.. except Dame actually did ask out?
https://www.nba.com/news/blazers-damian-lillard-requests-trade
just in case you missed that part.
After months of talking about loyalty to Portland, yes.
If dame or Giannis went out and said “hey, I don’t have a lot of prime left and the team isn’t getting anywhere, I want to try something else” nobody would say anything, I don’t get the secrecy and drama they are getting into.
Because athletes are generally emotionally stunted. I don’t understand why he can just come out and say “I’m getting older and wanna win in my final years, love the city and the team but it’s time to move on.”
Well they also do feel a sense of loyalty to the city. Part of the reason someone like KG waited so long to be traded was he genuinely wanted to win for Minnesota.
I think this is a pretty disingenuous way to put the situation. He wanted the team to use their draft picks in a trade to improve the team as a win now move. The team chose the future and drafted Scoot (lol). Like you are the current PG and they draft your replacement. So to say he was disloyal is neglecting some pretty major details.
No one’s saying he was disloyal. He was the one critiquing others for requesting trades while talking about loyalty/running from the grind. From a career perspective there’s not much to critique.
If he’s worried about public opinion backlash then he not only needs to get over it but also who truly is going to be mad at this guy for requesting a trade. He’s done a lot for the city and the team, it isn’t a crime to request a trade.
Ya agreed. Look at how Harden is treated by Rocket fans. He’s still beloved despite asking out.
I think it has more to do with maintaining leverage for their team in trade talks
to maintain the nice, loyal persona.
Which is obviously a fake person we are discovering now
It was handled poorly by the Blazers. The writing was on the wall and they wouldn’t do right by Dame until it was super awkward. He shouldn’t be forced to ask for a trade. Giannis either. Most Blazers fans thought Dame was our GOAT, why sully the relationship like that? Feels like what’s happening in Milwaukee.
Or the LeBron strategy where he doesn’t actually want to be traded, but is trying to force the organization to continuously go all-in on trying to win now. Which history has shown has a really limited window of effectiveness before you run out of assets to use.
Youd think he would have seen how it went with Dame and NOT gone down that road, but I guess not.
This proves that there’s no right way to leave a team.
Play out your contract, and leave in free agency? Pitchforks (KD 2016, LeBron 2010, etc)
Inform the team a year in advance that you won’t re-sign? Pitchforks (AD 2019, Kawhi 2018, etc)
Try to stick it out, and stay with the losing team? Everyone gets annoyed and hates you anyways (Giannis 2025)
Says KD in 2016 like the reason he got so much hate was for leaving.
It was because he joined the 73-9 Warriors that he blew a 3-1 lead to. Stupid ass revisionist history
lol no this doesn’t. Pitchforks cause Lebron and kd join super teams. No one care about kd going to the nets or bron to the lakers. Pulling two extremes examples of free agency there.
And either way it doesn’t matter. You can’t make everyone happy but you can annoy everyone
No, I think if Giannis asked out after the Dame situation fizzled Milwaukee would have booed when he came back but in general people would get it.
You just have to stay a year or two past when a less loyal person would. Kevin Garnett achieved this.
Russ and PG for us too. PG even left early, he just handled it professionally and let Presti set up a sweet deal. Players leave teams without burning bridges all the time, it’s not that difficult.
He asked out without asking out lol, listen to Shams and Haynes (basically being fed by Giannis agent/wife), he asked out without asking out, they tried the dumb ass move instead of trading him
Giannis is sticking it out for now, sure, but he’s also been making vague ass wishy washy statements every 3 days for the past 6 months.
Giannis should and could have asked out this past summer before they stretched Dame’s contract and traded for Myles Turner
He did, they talked to NY and others, didn’t like the offers
Pitchforks (KD 2016, LeBron 2010, etc)
The pitchforks in both of these were related to the wildly overwrought self-glazing about the decision, Durant with his ridiculous “Hardest Road” Players Tribune piece, LeBron with his TV special.
No one gave fucks when ‘Bron went back to the Land and then LA, when Jimmy went to Miami, when KD signed with the Nets. Surprise, certainly, but not the animosity.
LeBron’s would have been fine if he hadn’t made a talk show episode about it.
The only right way is if you’re traded for a return that miraculously makes the other team better.
Detroit fans were pretty pissed at Grant Hill but getting Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins in return made it better, and now we can marvel at how awesome Hill was.
I have to be honest, I think the booing is primarily a result of “does the fanbase believe that you accomplished all you could have accomplished while there?”.
Cavs, OKC, and Spurs fans thought they were contenders with their respective stars, and when they left they weren’t contenders anymore.
Harden got cheered when he came back to Houston, Russ in OKC, Melo in NY, Kawhi in Toronto, CP3 with the Clippers, LeBron the 2nd time he left Cleveland. All those fan bases felt as though there was nothing more those players could accomplish with their teams, so there weren’t really hard feeling when they left.
you can’t even publicly request a trade lol
redditors are so fucking dumb.
kawhi leaving was fine btw. we hold more animosity towards the clippers flagrantly breaking rules.
I mean almost no Rocket fans care that Harden asked out. I’d rather the guy just be up front with us about it.
Poor guy is at the will of his agent.
giannis isn’t the one going on tv every day to talk about it lol
Needs to drop the good guy persona, can’t be upset behind the scenes and say otherwise upfront.
It’s basically the Dame saga all over again
Exactly. The man wants a luka send off where its a “oh i never wanted to leave so still love me” kinda story lol
Has Giannis been talking to the press or using his social media a bunch? You are getting mad at the player, blaming him for sports writers and nephews on Reddit continually talking about it. Weird.
Also. He isn’t allowed to talk to his teammates and friends about his job? Does this same demand apply to you? Can you talk to your friends about your job, or do they just tell you to “shut the fuck up”?
Giannis is going to request a trade to the Cavaliers or Hornets to get himself some Balls?
He wanna be a hero so bad lol
Thing is he did clarify that he wanted to stay it’s just he backtracked for some reason
It’s a classic ungrateful boyfriend breakup. He doesn’t want to hurt Milwaukee’s feelings, but he also wants to get his dick wet.
Who cares if he does it publicly or internally? Seems to me like he’s done it internally or else we wouldn’t have these “leaks”
The horse has been beaten to death, please stop
but what about yawnnus?
“Those conversations have only grown and intensified” - Shams is so shit on TV. Should not exist outside of Twitter.
The best way I could describe him is, “every time he is on tv it is the first time he has ever been on tv”
Dude has zero charisma and doesn’t know anything outside of what he parrots from agents and execs.
Exactly!!!
Steve Nash and Chris Paul - must see TV.
Yes, I will do that trade.
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
Either ask for a trade or deal with the losing like a man. I’m getting tired of Giannis rumors year after year.
Giannis’ agent needs to start a podcast.
In Greek.
What this situation needs is podcast footage in a foreign language, translated by AI.
Mind the Greek
giannis did say he could have any conversation he wants
This shit just needs to be over with, the same idiotic scenario with Kuminga
Except one has the highest trade value and the other has the lowest
cool, thanks.
same time tomorrow?
Haha
I think a lot of the fans are more frustrated with Giannis than he is with them. If he wants to leave he should just leave. I also think there’s this illusion that the team he goes to will just auto-win. I don’t see it that way.
Assuming he gets traded at fair market value, i don’t see how the team getting him isnt just absolutely hamstrung
The only team that can do it when I’ve checked is OKC and I doubt they do it, it makes the better in the short run but they’d be a second apron team until the sun explodes and paying like 300 million in luxury tax
Some team will do a package of picks plus expirings plus a promising youngster or two. Multiple teams could do it and get exponentially better short term
Giannis makes 54 million a year, there aren’t that many teams woth 40+ million in expirings this year + the picks + the young talent
I don’t think it needs to be expiring. A few years of a bad contract means nothing to a bad team that free agents won’t come to
The Warriors. Jimmy + picks works because that matches salaries
Butler is 36 and the bucks won’t compete for the next half decade.
Im just assuming your FO is doing trade scenarios in the background or they’re stupid.
If they wait for giannis to demand a trade, the return would be worse. They should be lowkey shopping him and get his approval
Push the big red button, you’re holding up the line.
The Nuggets can end the Bucks era tonight
If the nuggets beat the bucks again while a bunch of guys sit, it’s so over for them
We’ve lost by like 90 points every game recently except for the Hawks game. We are a joke and the team refuses to move on from doc and at least get some other voice till the end of the season. Damn shame
For the good of the league i’m okay with losing this game.
Doc stay in place and giannis stay in milwaukee.
The world is saved.
yep. it’s not already over, only if we lose tonight
If I’ve learned anything this year it’s that when the Bucks are up against the wall and it looks like one more loss is going to end the whole thing we manage to squeak out a win that saves Doc’s job and keeps the whole thing limping along.
I expect a win tonight.
Of course then they go back to losing right after but still.
But what do you want to happen
There’s no actually salvaging this season. Anything they do is just going to make future pain worse.
I want them to keep losing because I think it’s the only thing that gets them to fire Doc which is just imperative. He’s incompetent, doesn’t seem to really want the job, and he’s overseen a toxic locker room environment.
I want them to keep losing because I think that is the best way to keep them from making a shortsighted trade. If they’re so far out of it by the deadline that there’s no reason to trade any picks then I think that’s the best thing for the team.
And I want them to keep losing because we actually have a pick this year and the more we lose the better the pick gets. That pick along with the freeing up of more tradeable picks after the season is the best chance at maybe convincing Giannis that there’s a path to a reset here if he just sticks it out.
Maybe I’m misguided but all a little winning streak will do is convince the front office to make more win now moves and will probably still end with Giannis leaving in my opinion.
Is Murray playing? I’m seeing a bunch of game time decisions.
I don’t think so
Shams is the most useless person in sports. I mean what are you even talking about? 🤣
When Woj left, nba reporters were rendered useless.
Him and his greasy ass hair. Terrible product
Thankfully there is a Doctor in the house to help fix things.
He lost his license after 2008
He went to Hollywood Upstairs Medical College
id trust dr nick over him
Giannis deserves zero sympathy. He should either shut up or move. If you choose to stay then this is the mess you chose to be a part of
Some of these basketball players seem dumber and dumber as the years go on. A random person off of the street knew this was going to happen to the bucks before the season started. He spent Hella time thinking about moving and now he’s crying every week
You got rid of Adrian Griffin to put the coach you wanted in place in Doc Rivers and now you’re not happy about how the team looks or feels? More GMS need to take the pet Riley method and tell their star players to shove it
The Bucks losing is a direct correlation to their coaching style and their team offense. You don’t have a top five player in the league and play this mediocre if the offense is run properly. The NBA is a star driven league and lets be honest he is not playing up to his potential, which since that’s the case, they should be winning more games which makes me look at the coach
I don’t know why anybody brings up Adrian Griffin like he wasn’t shit too.
Doc has not been good but also the roster minus Giannis is like a fifteen win team, especially with Turner as bad as he’s been.
Maybe without Doc they’d be like a 7th seed, but people are deluding themselves if they think a new coach would make this iteration of the Bucks a contender. The team made a lot of perfectly reasonable win-now gambles and they all flopped, there’s no more cards left to play.
The Bucks losing is a direct correlation to their
overall lack of talent. They have Giannis. The rest of the roster – how many of those dudes are even rostered on Houston or OKC or Detroit? Bobbi Klintman has played six games for Detroit; he’d be like the seventh man for Milwaukee.
Idk. bucks fans were just saying that Rollins is the second coming of Jesus like one month ago. KPJ and Portis aren’t nobodies. Turner has been down this year but him too. Giannnis with This roster in theory should be at least able to win a game once and awhile.
Giannis has been confusing about this whole situation. One minute he’s saying this is his team and city then the next he’s booing the crowd and giving off bad energy in the post game interviews. Just request a trade and move on.
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Shit or get off the pot, Giannis. Fuck’s sake.
would you like a side of nothing fries with your nothing burger?
Cool
God I really hate Pat Mcafee
Jimmy Haslan masterclass once again…
Just trade him to the Knicks already
team went from championship DNA to “who forgot the milk”
You said you didn’t want to be traded, so stop bitching
Giannis gonna walk into Myles Turner’s house and smash all his Legos
Shams just be talking 90% of the time on the same shit that I’m sure we already know like wow a competitor is tired of losing
Wayne Campbell: So, do you come to Milwaukee often?
Alice Cooper: Well, I’m a regular visitor here, but Milwaukee has certainly had its share of visitors. The French missionaries and explorers were coming here as early as the late 1600s to trade with the Native Americans.
Pete: In fact, isn’t “Milwaukee” an Indian name?
Alice Cooper: Yes, Pete, it is. Actually, it’s pronounced “mill-e-wah-que” which is Algonquin for “the good land.”
Wayne Campbell: I was not aware of that.
Why does he keep calling him Yawniss? :D
Maybe fire the fucking coach?
I’ve never seen an actual clip of AJ Hawk speaking on this show.
I only watched the video to see what AJ Hawk had to say. Wasn’t disappointed.
smiles and nods head
sips drink
sips other drink
Can we get rid of Shams. Dudes annoying having started these rumors even before summer just to have something to talk about.
Him and windy are absolutely insufferable to watch talk about this
We don’t know the all-time high thing. What if Paul Moleski and Ricky Pierce got into it?
Wow!?!? Shams talking about Giannis? Well, this is a change of pace
You’re the leader bro, lead. Part of this is on you.
JUST ASK FOR THE TRADE GIANNIS.
If I’m Giannis, I would inform the Bucks that I would not re-sign there. Then let the chips fall where they may.
All Giannis needs is a new coach and an small, aging star PG who can’t defend. Just ask Giannis and he’ll tell you.
The Bucks need to just trade Giannis because he’s clearly not going to ask out himself. Get as much value as possible for him (particularly in terms of picks). The situation as it stands just isn’t working
Shams really hitting us with nothing burgers hard today.
Losing in one of the worst conference of the last 30 years too.
THEN LEAVE.
When your 2nd best player is Myles Turner and your coach is Doc Rivers it’s over.
ahhhhh I love the trade deadline, always a great mid season shake up, can’t wait going to be good this year.
Go with curry and lebron to blow this league once and for all. say to adam, Fcuk it!
I have no sympathy for someone who signed a contract and then starts complaining about the team that he clearly knew he was getting
What if the bucks just let Adrian Griffin coach one full season and if it didn’t work actually have a pool of coaches to select in the offseason. Hiring doc mid season was a clear error no matter how bad griffin was coaching at the time.
I mean, Giannis is playing and they are losing still. He’s part of the losing. It can’t be completely blamed on everyone else around him.
doesn’t this guy feel embarrassment when he reports the same story every single day
Im going to very upset if we have to do this all through winter/spring/summer. Please just trade the man before the deadline
Literally who cares anymore
Modern day, Lakers and Kobe??
I sincerely feel bad for bucks fans. This shouldn’t be how it ends
I hope Giannis stays in Milwaukee
Dear Bucks:
Giannis brings joy to the court and life. Do not drag this out to the point where his soul shrivels and his happiness craters. Trade him, don’t continue doing your best attempt at turning him into a locker room and media cancer. It costs you and him joy the longer it goes.
Nobosy seems to want to give up for than matching + 2 FRPs.
No world where they trade him for that. They’ll get more for him next Summer in that case.
I’m gonna hate when Giannis leaves because the media have been trying to get him to leave the Bucks for years now.
Damned if you do damned if you don’t for Giannis for all we know he already asked internally to be traded, I mean isn’t that the whole reason the bucks were actively on the market for him months back? And just didn’t like any offer. It’s pretty apparent both parties want to move on but Milwaukee is gonna have to take a smaller package than they want for him
Please, for the love of God, listen to the clip of Giannis booing back with the audio. The fans weren’t booing when he hit the shot- they were cheering. I was at the game and we booed them going into the locker room. It’s really the biggest nothing burger on earth but I guess that’s how Shams makes money
Giannis owes the bucks nothing and they should be kissing his ass the rest of his career. Same with Bron in Cleveland they both have done more than Dame for Portland. Just ask for a trade no one will hate him for it.
Giannis needs to shit or get off the pot.
This is getting old as fuck.
Most boring nba season I can remember
Has he tried not being injured every year
Then LEAVE
Wait wait I’ve seen this one before.
Giannis is going to come out and say something like ‘I’m not leaving I love this place my agent is a free man’
Can doc sign big baby? Is he out of jail yet?
Well, they’ll get one win tonight thanks to injuries and NBA scheduling that has us playing 3 games in 80 hours on the road.
You are greatly overestimating the 25-26 Milwaukee Bucks
Until I see [Charania], Giannis, and traded in the same sentence, all of this means nothing now
He’s definitely asking for a trade within a week.
Is Doc Rivers going to get fired and another crazy contract?
Reporters should switch it up and ask Giannis what he wants to see from Kuminga tonight, and ask Steve Kerr if Giannis plans to be in Milwaukee after the deadline
The only move they can make is adding a talented bad contract and hope they outperform it
Doc Rivers..
Brother you can’t say you’re not leaving unless they kick you out then complain the whole while lol
He is in his own way if he actually wants to leave, they’ve been playing this game with Giannis for a few seasons now.
Trade him.
This is becoming another hostage situation.
He clearly just doesnt want to be the bad guy and flat out demand a trade but he needs to just get it over with. He is worrying to much about trying to control his image.
YAWNIS
Fuck Mcafees obnoxious ass
Part of it is his own making. His lack of minutes because he doesn’t want to have to sit out and miss All NBA chances is absolutely part of the calculus.
Thats being said, we just don’t have a team that can compete. Bobby Portis had to be shipped off 2 years ago if our FO was serious. Kuzma is our only real positive bench player at this point. Aj Green is getting dogged playing vs bigger forwards.
We aren’t competing this year. We may be able to retool this offseason(will have multiple FRPs including maybe a lottery this season), but if Giannis won’t sign a new deal this offseason they’ll have to trade him in the Summer.
Teams don’t really have the capsheets and assets right now in season. I think they’ll get a better offer in the Summer.
So maybe it is good idea to start winning?
Just one of the most deceitful human beings to ever pretend to be a journalist. Shams needs to be jailed
This has to be a picture wrap on Doc Rivers coaching career too.
Nothin burger
Bro if this Giannis trade happens the ESPN NBA newsroom will die of a collective mega-gasm. They’ve been trying to speak this trade into existence for 3 years
I’m from the future and want to warn you all that in every timeline I’ve checked Celtics trade JB for Giannis
I’m sure Chams maintains his 100% hit rate on bucks reporting with this one. Good job buddy
Wonder if the Giannis talk is getting to Dylan Harper, because he has looked like total crap for most of the last month while looking like an amazing prospect who would almost surely supplant both Fox and Castle for main PG slot up to Christmas. Harper is looking lost lately and it scares me that the Spurs might think they should pull the trigger on sending him out for Giannis while everyone still thinks of him as the #2 pick in a stacked draft.
If he wasn’t going to recruit Giannis to Charlotte, then what even is the point of having Pat Connaghton?
he’s forcing himself to be traded so he can say team traded me when I don’t want to be traded.