The website that created the Estimated Plus-Minus stat (one of the most popular all-in-one advanced stats) has Estimated Wins, which factors in EPM and playing time to create a better version of win shares.

Shai has 12.2 estimated wins. The Kings have 12 wins.

Shai is more valuable than the entire roster of five different teams, somehow.

dhjyoo | Kings

69 | 6 hours ago

Shai is more valuable than the entire roster of five different teams, somehow.

Ok but why did you have to pick the Kings tho. Why not our friends in the East, the Wizards or perhaps the Nets? The Pelicans also exist. Just like, spread the love a bit YKWIM.

Vitex1988 | Thunder

24 | 6 hours ago

Because I hate the Kings

farewellyo | Thunder

38 | 6 hours ago

wtf the kings do to you bro

JewSamurai | Thunder

23 | 6 hours ago

He took trading Hali personally

Vitex1988 | Thunder

20 | 6 hours ago

I still can’t believe he hit a game winner in all four playoff series last year DX

farewellyo | Thunder

2 | 5 hours ago

Yeah that probably won’t happen ever again in NBA history

HokageEzio | Knicks

1 | 3 hours ago

3 game winners, Knicks was to go to OT cause his foot was on the line.

Vitex1988 | Thunder

1 | 3 hours ago

aw dammit right, still a ridiculous shot though

ExpressionAlone5204 | Thunder

2 | 5 hours ago

Fr they got Russ

nasty_clean

4 | 5 hours ago

Come on man. What have the Kings ever done that could make someone hate them?

Really, the last time they did anything was 75 years ago. So unless you’re old as dirt Knicks fan thats still salty they won the chip, why you hate them?

spiattalo | NBA

0 | 5 hours ago

Some people simply despise mediocrity

ShotgunStyles | Kings

12 | 5 hours ago

When OKC was in the basement, I believe that we beat them in every game of every year up until recently. Even when they got good, the Kings were still jamming on them. This is just revenge.

FormalDisastrous2467 | Thunder

24 | 6 hours ago

This is slightly inaccurate.

This stat says that shai surrounded by replacement level players would produce more wins than the kings.

go0sKC | Thunder

1 | 23 minutes ago

But what if you surrounded the Kings with replacement level players so that they had 10 guys?

ElkFun7036 | Thunder

13 | 6 hours ago

Obviously it’s unlikely, but if that one dude from Denver comes to his senses, this might just be a unanimous MVP season for him. Fingers crossed he stays healthy.

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

17 | 6 hours ago

It ain’t the denver folks you gotta worry about as much as the oldheads. Just by virtue of the “unanimous MVP” narrative floating around, some contrarians will vote for others just so Steph keeps that record. And yes Steph is 37 and 2016 was ten years ago, people insisting that era was better and no one today will surpass it are the new oldheads.

Impossible-Group8553

10 | 5 hours ago

I fully agree. The whole unanimous mvp stuff is so dumb anyways, Shaq and Lebron both had 120 out of 121 votes, you’re telling me a 1 vote difference out of 121 really means anything?

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

7 | 5 hours ago

Sadly people will always remember unique things like that. Shaq and Lebron should’ve been unanimous too but their campaigns will always be remembered as footnotes next to Steph’s accomplishment in like 20 years.

Connect-Reveal8888

6 | 5 hours ago

Lebron lost his unanimous mvp to someone trolling and lost dpoy to someone who didn’t make all defensive first team. I don’t even think the 2013 dpoy was a huge robbery but that’s pretty funny.

dacrookster | Thunder

3 | 5 hours ago

Honestly if Jokic doesn’t make the cutoff then anyone not voting for Shai deserves to have their right to vote stripped from them.

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

2 | 5 hours ago

So many people have deserved to have their vote taken from them for their absolute fuckery over the years, but it’ll never happen, unfortunately.

Longjumping_One_9164 | Thunder

2 | 6 hours ago

I don’t think it would be Denver, but it will be the handful of guys at The Ringer.

1-2 of them will vote as a contrarian, even with no real MVP level player on a high seed (with both Jokic and Wemby likely not candidates).

ilikekittens2018 | Nuggets

6 | 5 hours ago

Enough mental gymnastics will be done to justify Isaiah Hartenstein as MVP due to his value to the Thunder if that’s what’s needed for Shai to not be unanimous lmao

pokexchespin | BOS

2 | 5 hours ago

eg finally gets a ballot!

evilmancheetah | Thunder

3 | 4 hours ago

We’ll never see a unanimous MVP again, just out of pure spite, which is a damn shame, greatness deserves to be recognised.

ElkFun7036 | Thunder

1 | 6 hours ago

Yeah it’ll be really hard for people to accept that nostalgia makes the 2010s seem better than they actually were. Still though, one can hope.

Vitex1988 | Thunder

14 | 6 hours ago

Nah, some random dudes will put Luka or Cade or Brown first

I’m predicting right now; if Jokic doesn’t qualify then Shai gets 95 first place votes for MVP

ElkFun7036 | Thunder

8 | 6 hours ago

Jokic and Shai got a combined ⁹⁹⁄₁₀₀ first place votes or something on that one straw poll so I think 95 is probably realistic.

Connect-Reveal8888

0 | 4 hours ago

Someone like ant will get a late season propaganda push and grab 10 votes

MythicalShart | Rockets

10 | 5 hours ago

Harden ranked 1st in Estimated wins in 4 straight seasons from 2017-2020.

In 2019 Harden had 24.4 Estimated Wins in 78 games played on a 53 win team. 46% of his team’s total wins.

SGA is on pace for 22.1 Estimated wins in 78 games played on a projected 65 win team. 34% of his team’s total wins.

AvianScavenger | Heat

2 | 3 hours ago

46% god damn

usernamesarestupid23 | Kings

2 | 6 hours ago

Good. I wish the Kings had a lower combined EPM

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Kaizerx20 | Timberwolves

7 | 6 hours ago

That’s EPM (good), not PM (bad)

jackdonsurfer | Raptors

5 | 6 hours ago

EPM isn’t “plus minus” but it’s presented in a +/- framework bc it makes intuitive sense

https://dunksandthrees.com/about/epm If you wanna read more about it

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Vitex1988 | Thunder

1 | 6 hours ago

dawg I just wanted to say “Shai > the Kings roster” lol

According to Estimated Plus-Minus, Shai by himself has won more games than the Kings.