[Spears] The Golden State Warriors are unlikely to trade Jimmy Butler. The Warriors will continue to pursue trades centered Jonathan Kuminga with the intention of getting expiring salary in return.
Wouldn’t Kuminga be considered an expiring contract? Just don’t bring back his team option 😭
yeah, lol. A bunch of people on r/warriors are saying things like “Hopefully we can trade JK for someone that gets 16 ppg,“ and I keep having WTF moments cause JK with playing time averages 18⁄6. Add that he’s expiring. It just screams how much our organization shit the bed.
When people say 16ppg, they mean 16ppg in the flow of the offense.
When JK plays fast he does pretty well. When he stops for 3 seconds before going iso, or beginning his drive and kick it really kills the offense.
Some of thats on JK for not figuring it out after 4+ years, some of its on Kerr for him not getting the time/touches/leash to figure it out. Either way it wasnt working.
That 3 sec wait had been his problem from the start. You can’t keep giving him the ball when he completely stalls the offense and then comes up empty. Kerr is not at fault here. Its his mind.
Same with Buddy. He is catch and shoot. But even when the ball comes to him and he is open its not Kerr fault if he freeze and forget to shoot the ball.
Buddy is nowhere near as bad. He at least makes basketball moves instantly, hes just fighting off the instinct to dribble because he shouldn’t be dribbling
Yeah, since he came back Buddy’s been playing pretty well. The defence is there, the hustle is there, and he’s actively attacking and only taking catch and shoots.
Bigger problem with Kuminga is his lack of effort when he doesn’t get touches, like Ayton. A guy like Buddy does get lost on D sometimes but he hustles and when playing in a system, is never going to just give up.
Yeah if JK has 18⁄6, with the meh process he has to get it, the team probably has a league-average offense at best. And the team has tried pretty much everything they could to get him to be part of an elite offense for years, but he just hasn’t shown he can do it consistently.
jk doesnt play well in our system, we lose a lot of games he plays great because he can generate for himself but the warriors thrive on players that can put up as much in the assists column as in the points. jk would be great on a team like the magic or the wizards with a young athletic core running a lot of iso plays but he slows down the warriors offense significantly.
Kerr always stresses make the extra pass, Kuminga never does. Also he’s inefficient. Inefficient scoring isn’t really helpful.
You can’t afford to waste games or seasons when Steph and Draymond are on their last seasons trying to develop a guy who doesn’t seem to get it.
JK has low basketball IQ that’s why Kerr doesn’t play him
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This guy literally said nah dawg it’s not just BBIQ,
It’s BBIQ
Mental issues
Kyle played well for the Warriors for his role. Are you mistaking him for Schroeder? Although for Schroeder I think he was having some horrible shooting luck.
Oversimplified. There was like 80 guys averaging that last year but how many actually impact winning? Even on his good run before spraining his ankle last year he was still a net negative during that stretch. Guy is simply inefficient and not a good decision maker when on the court.
Was really hoping the game would slow down for him with Jimmy here but he still plays way too fast. Always ends up in the post attempting a 12’ fadeaway that he hits at a terrible clip once his drive stalls out.
He was kinda money early season when he hunted like no shots and was getting 16 a game purely on transition and cuts playing off Steph/jimmy. That was nice but short lived.
The issue is warriors want one of the 80 guys who average that and play impactful basketball while trading a guy who they claim doesn’t play impactful basketball.
At this point they are better off hoping there is some 1-1 trade in which they get someone who averages lower but can just shoot the three ball. They probably won’t get it because this JK saga has been long overplayed.
Tbf they want that with confirmed reports that they’d have to offer up post Steph pick(s). JK is essentially an expiring too. But you’re general point remains for sure
Those reports are before butler went down. Now butler is gone from the equation then those post Steph picks will never get traded. But ultimately if the goal was to give a chance for Steph to win again they did a terrible job of managing their assets.
Also them trading him for an expiring I would assume means they think the is worth an asset plus an expiring since he himself is an expiring contract.
“A boats a boat, but a mystery box could be anything, it could even a boat!”
It makes no sense to trade him, he has no value now and the best thing you can do is just play him bc we know this season and next ain’t going no where.
JK isn’t a team player, he dribbles the air out of the ball and doesn’t play smart defense. He’s a big reason the team didn’t play well the first half.
Raw numbers don’t mean anything if you’re not playing with the team. Our Org finally realizing to not play him, saved our season.
The team made a great choice not playing him. To play Jk now would mean to officially tank.
Expirings are extremely valuable now
JK has no trade value.
You’re not getting anything that pushes you to even make the playoffs at this point.
Your best bet is to tank this year and pray for the #1 pick.
That 18⁄6 has a lot of caveats.
Bad rotations, tunnel vision, bad fouls, weird isos, forgotten plays, you name it.
Stats fans might see wow 18⁄6, but an avid watcher observes these mishaps from Jonathan.
Perhaps they are looking for negative expiring + pick from prospective team.
Bro is employed for the purpose of enlightening on things such as these.
you can dislike the other reporters but at least they break news. I don’t know what Marc Spears provides ESPN
He seems to be the one they make read the CBA.
I swear we do the exact same shit on this sub for free lol
Just post the reddit threads ESPN and save urself some money
They do…
No shit lol.
Trying to trade Butler when they owe him 57 million next season and just tore his ACL means you’re giving up a ton to get off him now.
Yeah, Jimmy just immediately shot up very high in the list of worst NBA contracts. Probably right behind Embiid and George.
That’s what I been saying and people are like the warriors need to trade Jimmy now but for what? No team is taking Jimmy butler who is owed nearly 60M next year after he just tore his ACL. Even if he was healthy no team would want to take that bc that’s a ton of money on your roster for one player and the warriors have two of those and one of them is injured so it’s ridiculous that people think the warriors can actually move off of Jimmy.
The only thing that would make sense is a team trying to get out of a different bad contract, but this way they actually get something out of it assuming the Dubs are willing to include assets.
Not saying this is a fair trade, but something like LaVine/Keon Ellis for Butler + a pick or something. Basically, the Kings find a way out of LaVine and get some draft capital (something no team would have given to them before) and the Warriors get some talent back.
Problem is that there aren’t many teams that fit this bill.
That’s what I was thinking but with AD instead. They make like the exact same amount of money, warriors get someone who can hopefully play and Mavs get assets to put in the war chest to build a team around flagg. I doubt the warriors do it though.
I can’t really see either team doing this, short of GSW getting delusional and throwing a massive amount of picks towards Dallas.
AD is ultimately a much better player for Dallas and he’s still 4 years younger than Butler. Just thinking about the cost: dumping Butler would at minimum cost 1 first, and getting AD is probably around 1-2 picks + some actual playable guys. Combining this into 1 deal would require like 3-4 first round picks at minimum, because you have to basically convince Dallas that their team is super fucked for the next 1-2 seasons.
Even someone like Paul George and is only a year longer than Jimmy. It would have to be to a team that has like 2 guys on their roster they want gone who make 30-40 a year for 4 years. And you use Kuminga as the matching. Options are slim.
Embiid?
Also it’s just another bad contract for the kings bc why would anyone want Jimmy Butler after this even healthy trading him would have been super hard.
The point is that you dump one bad contract (for a guy who is healthy) for another bad contract + draft capital.
Right but why would the kings help GS out. Like yea they have won a couple games but they still stink overall. But I get wym bro just Zach Lavine ain’t doing nothing for them either mind you Jimmy has been healthy and they were still in 8th place it’s more than one player who is the problem here.
The grizzlies for Ja or preferably jjj.
Really any team that wants to tank.
Could do an AD/ Jimmy swap.
The nets for mpj.
The kings as they try to sell all their trash overpaid players.
Jimmy has a horrible contract dude why would they trade for an injured player. Also all these teams are still bad and none of these players are actually moving the needle for golden stare. Like whats the goal here to compete or win a championship? Bc they do compete but this team can not make any actual moves that will get them in the top west contending teams and that’s just a fact.
Oh Giannis technically too. You can do a giannis/Jimmy swap and they’ll be contenders.
It’s also assuming you get mpj or something for kuminga.
Tbf Lavine for Jimmy and a swap and kuminga plus a first for mpj makes them def competers(?) and maybe contenders.
Always tough to guard Steph in the playoffs.
Say they also trade some other stuff for Myles turner if giannis asks out.
That probably makes them fringe contenders.
But that’s isn’t going to happen bc why would Milwaukee want Jimmy and if Ginnas wanted to go to GS he woulda said so by now. It’s just not happening.
If giannis wanted out he’d have said so by now. Yet the entire nba is holding its breath and waiting. Could def happen.
I’m sure there’s a tanking team out there who needs to get rid of some veterans who won’t stop trying to win.
Danny Angie would take him for all the picks.
I’d do LeBron for Jimmy plus unprotected Warriors picks
Warriors get LeBron and a punchers chance this year.
After all Curry has done for the franchise, they kind of owe him to not tank for 1-2 years in the twilight of his career.
Among the many reasons why that makes no sense, the no trade clause still exists.
Bro exactly like what was he talking about💀
LeBron probably waives it to play with Steph
No chance at all lebron let’s himself get traded in his career.
Ok but I’m thinking logically and that’s not going to happen. The lakers have Luka so why would the lakers accept a player who in Jimmy who has a career devastating injury and is worse than LeBron. It makes no sense on the lakers part of all to do that trade and LeBron has a no trade clause and you think he’s gonna request to go to GS which is a play in team? Like that makes zero sense dude use your brain or sum. Yes the warriors owe curry but there’s no actual moves that can be made no one is one the market and no one wants jk and nobody wants jimmy after this either so the best they can do is rebuild.
The Lakers badly need assets.
They should definitely take on Butler’s contract for unprotected post-Curry Warriors picks.
The Lakers aren’t the issue, it’s whether the Warriors (and LeBron) accept.
They need assets but getting jimmy’s horrible contract makes no sense what are you talking about? Its in the warriors best interest to keep there picks. All there players were healthy this year and they are still in 8th place. Jimmy butler also is making as much money as Luka and Ginnas what team would trade for that and he has a torn ACL on top of that again no reason why lebron would go to GS. There’s no reason at all when GS literally sucks. This league isnt a charity case it’s not like the lakers are looking and are saying well you know what lets help GS out like why would any NBA team care about one of there players getting hurt in this sport it’s an advantage if that happens so rn GS is the one who is deseperate to make a move but there’s no move to make besides those picks which they shouldn’t move bc there is no guarentee that this team can compete with the the better ones in the west.
Lakers would go into this offseason with Jimmy’s expiring plus 5+ tradable 1st round picks (including several unprotected post-Curry Warriors picks).
Jimmy’s expiring would be perfect for salary-matching with a star.
I feel like I’m talking to someone who doesn’t know ball here LeBron isn’t going to GS so unless you can bring up an actual feasible trade then stop commenting bro. Giving up 5 first round picks for a 41 year old player is insane LeBron is literally at the end of his career and Steph will be next year to why trade away your picks when they are going to need them.
For clarity, I priced the Warriors as trading 2 firsts, not 5.
For basically turning 2 years, $110m in dead money into an expiring contract that is at least healthy for the season. Also happens to be a swiss army knife GOAT-level player.
Not saying the Warriors would/should agree but just clarifying my position, it’s not 5 first round picks. I said the Lakers would as a result have 5 firsts (3 of their own, 2 from Warriors)
so you’d rather have a hope of pick in a few years rather than a versatile aging player who luka respects, has a blue print that could extend luka given thats luka’s weakpoint-off the court prep and still produces at a borderline all star level and is versatile and smart enough to be moved to the 4 since he doesn’t move the same way?
were not even talking about an aging kobe doing nothing, lebron is still productive and a massive culture help almost particularly suited to influence luka who looked up to him and maybe even draw giannis who also says lebron has the blueprint he wants to follow
my man he already was. that was a crazy contract for an aging star
They wouldn’t be able to trade him. He would have to be bought out.
“Team is unlikely to trade old player with long term injury on the brink of retirement”
Don’t forget he’s on an enormous non-expiring contract too. Super easy to move. Teams are lining up.
How bout DDR with a partial guarantee for next season 😎
Dance Dance Revolution?
Only if it’s 5th mix and every pad has to work so they can play doubles
Double data rate?
Domantas Dimitri R. Sabonis
I mean, you joke, but without Jimmy, Demar Derozan is basically a diet version of Jimmy, just no defense and even less threes.
That’s definitely my guess as to where all this ends up. Warriors need some time to accept their fate on this though……..
Give them 2-3 weeks when they lose almost all their games.
Temu Jimmy Butler
Double Data Rate Synchronous Dynamic Random-Access Memory
If he comes with a 1st, then absolutely
Oh honey
That’s Nurkic’s theme song
Nurkic and Draymond on the same team would be fun.
Literally the Bash Bros from Mighty Ducks
Don’t think Spears know what he’s talking about, Kuminga have a team option next year, trading him for an expiring doesn’t make sense.
Making nonsensical moves has been the Warriors MO ever since the punch
Lest we forget CP3 becoming a Warrior that said team traded a first to acquire
The first was top 20 protected and it was to get off of Pooles contract that had 4 years and 140 mil left on it and receive an expiring contract back.
That was a salary dump and the first is heavily protected.
The cp3 deal was because he was 30M expiring. They were trying to get out of the second apron as it was the start of the new CBA - they couldnt afford Poole with new rules and everyone knew it was a bad contract after he played bad
That seems like a reasonable position for the Warriors?
Kuminga is an expiring contract, if they can flip him for another expiring contract that’s a better fit with Curry, they’d be open to it. But they don’t want to take on more long term money.
They’re not saying other teams should agree, just that that’s the type of deal that would make sense to them.
Hard to trade a guy that no one’s gonna want. Jimmy’s at the end of his career and just suffered an injury that could have ended it 10 years earlier. He’s done.
Exactly he’s not tradable at all anymore
I really hate trade season every other post is
“blank is considering trading blank”
and then 20 minutes later
“blank is actually not considering trading blank”
At this point I know Kuminga more as the “guy who might get traded” and less as the player
Truth is there is no Kuminga. He was made up during covid and everyone is too embarrassed to admit it.
Kuvid-19
Gee, hard to trade an injured $54M player with 1 more (unnecessary) season under contract.
I mean, they could for an injured $54m player with 2 more seasons under contract
Like AD.
I wonder if Dallas would do that trade for 1 pick.
I will ask again, are you allowed to trade injured players? I always assumed you aren’t allow to because on 2k it doesn’t let me
That’s just a 2K thing
You can’t withhold injury from another team. But yea if there’s some team begging the Celtics to cut bait on Tatum they are allowed to fuck him off.
Kuminga + filler for Giannis? Who says no
Im clearly joking, but this is likely going to be the media cycle for the next 5 days until Kuminga gets traded for Dario Saric
Why do they think they’re going to be a free agent destination when Steph and Dray are closer to 40 than 30 Just take on the damn salary.
They’re not even gonna try? Even if it was just butler and their ‘26 first plus maybe a young guy like Richard or someone idk
Trading a guy who’ll be out for a year minimum that you have zero idea how he’ll look in said time making over 50 million is not a “throw in a pick and call it a day” sell for a team.
Like no one is lining up for Dejounte Murray who’s yet to play a game for the Pelicans.
Nobody is trading $60M in serviceable players for Jimmy. He’s realistically out for most of next season, if not all at this age.
Like even if you attached a first rounder to Butler to get out from his contract, who is taking that? Even the bad teams who might absorb the salary would have to give up far too many young players to facilitate the deal.
Yeah this to me says ‘We’re done with the Curry era.’ cause best case scenario Butler comes back midway through next season and still looks great, but you’re asking 38 year old Curry to carry this team the entire time, he’s just gonna break down.
And I don’t think its impossible to trade him either, I think there’s a few teams they could take long-term bad salary from in a deal. PG would be interesting, Sixers take a small step back this year & next year but get 56million extra room in 2027 free agency to build around Maxey & Edgecombe. AD is the other, Mavs get to shave a year off of a max contract and Gafford/Lively are still young enough to pair with Flagg in the long term, while giving them some space in 2027.
I’m not gonna pretend either of these deals are great, but add a pick & a young player and maybe you get can some extra depth alongside it, but it at least tells Curry that you tried instead of just giving up like this
That would be a tragedy for GS that I can’t imagine. That’s a horrific taste to leave in fan’s mouths as Curry winds down. 15 win seasons and blowouts every night.
It absolutely sucked with Kobe. But it was more palatable because he was so far gone from a high level and health.
I’m sure if it was Giannis, they would do it. It just may be the trade market and who’s currently available.
Even if Ginnas was free Milwaukee isn’t making that deal bc your literally getting nothing back it’s a horrible deal for any team but there was always a chance this would happen Steph and Jimmy are making a ton of money on that team and once one of them gets hurt it was over.
This just makes no sense, I almost guarantee we keep JK the rest of the year, not only is he expiring, we have the option to bring him back if he plays really well.
I think this is them being smart and beginning to prioritize there future. They aren’t competing anytime soon. They’ll be in a full on rebuild within next two years as Curry is 38 in March. Retain the picks and begin to look ahead.
Why would they trade an expiring for an expiring
They should trade Steph and Draymond, but they won’t get their value back with how fucked the market is
Messy
It’s really over. Trade Steph.
Yup Gabe Vincent for Steph
Boom
Sounds like they want Terry Rozier
These guys are talking out of their ass with no credible source. Jimmy just got hurt less than a day ago. The warriors FO doesn’t even know what they’re gonna do.
Im so sick of this Kuminga trade saga, can they just fucking trade the kid already?
trade Bulter for AD seems like a win-win
Seriously asking: is Mike Dunleavey good at his job because it feels like he’s not good at his job
Does Butler and 2 frp’s get you Zion? From the pels side yly are projecting that Zion will stay mediocre and those picks will be high lottery and form the warriors side you are betting on Zion and potentially allowing the warriors to be competitive
No one who isn’t a warriors fan is a bigger Steph fan than me. And it’s over. They can’t fix this roster to compete before he’s done. If I’m Steph, for both his last years (if he wants to compete for ships and not just hoop) and for the warriors (if they actually want to rebuild and compete and not just play Steph highlight videos each night until he retires) they should look at the eject button. I’m not sure what deals even exist but it’s truly a Gianni’s in Milwaukee situation except even more urgent
Steph for Lamelo who says no
Jimmy Butler for Embiid who says no?
If they’d include a future unprotected pick + a guard I wonder about RJ Barrett.
There’s zero chance the Raptors flip RJ for the Kum Bucket
I could maybe see an IQ swap but that’s not exactly a no brainer “both teams say yes” sort of deal
It makes 0 sense for either team. Raptors get a negative asset in Kuminga and maybe the pick is good but it’s prob going to be a late lottery / mid 1st round pick.
The Warriors get RJ Barrett who will push them from being a lottery team into maybe the 10 seed, so I guess there’s that, but is that worth an unprotected 1st?
For as low as I am on Kuminga, he’s not a negative asset to the vast majority of teams because he’s at absolute worst an expiring contract.
😂 I never want to hear about this team ever again
Bron is expiring.
are all lakers fans this awful?
Yes
You want Jonathan Kuminga for LeBron James? Like deadass?
Smartest Lakers fan
Kuminga for Kleber and Vincent from the Lakers sounds perfect for Golden State
It’s going to be UGLY when Curry is gone.
Joe Lacob, his son and Dunleavy are inspiring Vivek/Divac and Reinsdorf/Paxon level of dread.
Edit - Guess we got some Lacob light years ahead believers in here.
Just cherish the run and accept some lean years, right? I’m a Bucks fan and I’m ready for that mindset myself.
You’re totally right. Getting to root for the Curry Warriors is definitely worth what’s coming.
Terribly run organization, they have no idea what they are doing man.
If I’m the warriors I call the kings and say fuck it. Give damar and Zach lavine for jimmy and kuminga. Solves the scoring problem. Warriors don’t play defense anyway and two vets who can help Steph scoring wise right now.
It would take draft capital, Kings aren’t just going to eat Jimmy’s money for free.
Warriors have been a top 10 defense most of the year their offense was the problem. Even in lineups with no Steph or Jimmy they were defending fine.
Warriors don’t play defense? 🤦
As a kings fan, this would be perfect. You finally get the chance to kick the tires on Kuminga, you get off Derozan’s and Lavine’s contracts, and Jimmy can rehab and the tank can charge on ahead. By the team he’s back he’ll be about to hit FA and can probably ring chase. Warriors can have one last push in the Steph-era to see if they can make something happen and will have some offensive help alongside Steph.
If not for that lucky ass 2022 championship (Kerr has even publicly said he didn’t think they had a chance), we would be talking about the gross mismanagement of Steph’s last 6 seasons there