I wouldn’t really include cultural impact in a goat debate and I say that as someone who thinks Jordan’s the GOAT. Like Iverson isn’t better than Tim Duncan because AI has more cultural impact

You think LeBron’s peak was higher than Jordan’s? That’s a new one to me. How so?

Lebron wins 1 out of 4 of those. Let’s not kid ourselves. Lebron is fucking amazing and all time great. He is the greatest of his era (and it’s not close) and there’s no shame in that.

MJ has more accolades in 7 less than seasons, a bigger cultural impact that almost any other person in history, and higher peak with 7 straight scoring titles, two 3-peats, 1 of 2 players to win MVP and DPOY in the same season.

So yes, if you involve those metrics, Lebron still isn’t the GOAT.

If that’s the criteria, he probably loses out to Jordan.

Jordan’s shoe commercials were so much more influential than LeBron’s, so it wipes away LeBron’s on-court edge (which is relatively minor).

Then he loses to multiple players. He wasn’t even the best player in the league for most of his career. Some years early on it was kobe, some it was d-wade or dirk, then it was kawhi for a short time, then steph and from the late 2010s on to now there’s been like 5 or more players that could claim that title like jokic, giannis, luka etc. He has a few year window on the heat where he was the best player. A few years in a 20 year career.

Contrast that to jordan who was definitively the best player in the league just about every year he played except for the wizards years.

It’s a shame kawhi couldn’t stay healthy because he was dominating lebron back in their prime days. Longevity is A factor but not the only one that matters, and that’s really all lebron has going for him.

These are almost all just length metrics you brought up lol.

He’s also 1st at creating super teams and losing with them.

Don’t forget these:

1st in Finals losses

1st in playoff losses

1st in turnovers

1st in missed shots

Bro is gonna stay in Wendy’s until retirement.

Doesn’t loyalty mean something to you? The Decision was a masterclass in ego-stroking and shitting on your fans, and for what? To the ghost of MJ and more rings. And he still failed to catch that ghost.