Fire_Demon-215

159 | 10 hours ago

It’s honesty impressive to construct such a terrible roster around a top 3 player in the league

SloshaPacana

83 | 10 hours ago

I mean they got unlucky, the guy they traded to blew his entire lower body and their entire cap situation was ruined

Black-----Manta | Timberwolves

54 | 9 hours ago

Yup, the vision was there, the body was not.

The coach turntable is inexcusable tho

orangekingo | Spurs

26 | 9 hours ago

Yeah just an unbelievably stupid move by ownership/GM to hire Doc Rivers, I actually cannot believe teams keep making this mistake. The guy hasn’t coached a team to success since 2008. MAYBE he can work for an undisciplined youth movement team that isn’t trying to compete but hiring him for a team DESPERATELY trying to contend with a top 3 player in his prime is just malpractice.

kida24 | Bucks

9 | 7 hours ago

The vision of relying on a 33 year old point guard to not lose a step, stay healthy and get paid more than your superstar wasn’t exactly smart

bellowthecat

35 | 9 hours ago

Jrue and picks for Dame was an unforced error before he got injured come on now. When is a 6’ all scoring no defense guard in his 30s ever a good bet to be the second best player on a contender?

SloshaPacana

24 | 9 hours ago

Hindsight genius

Dame was All NBA and amazing in Portland, an amazing fit with Giannis and wasn’t particularly injury prone

The Jrue experiment was over, can’t be making that kind of money and be that limited offensively

Black-----Manta | Timberwolves

21 | 9 hours ago

Same was off a 32/7/5 season, and the Warriors had just won the chip.

decentuna | Bucks

15 | 9 hours ago

Hindsight is nice isn’t it?

bellowthecat

5 | 9 hours ago

I assure you I thought it was a bad trade the moment it was made. Just totally misguided strategy.

AzureDragon013 | Lakers

1 | 7 hours ago

Okay then what move were they supposed to make? Jrue clearly wasn’t working out for them anymore.

shualton | Warriors

2 | 7 hours ago

I agree that criticizing the Dame trade is largely in the benefit of hindsight, but Jrue literally made the all star team in his final year in Milwaukee

AzureDragon013 | Lakers

2 | 3 hours ago

My bad, my tone was off. This wasn’t meant to insult Jrue. He was a good player, but I don’t think he was good enough to carry the team with Giannis as Khris and BroLo aged and got worse/injured. Jrue himself was also on the older side, being 32 at the time. Bucks needed a better player to pair with Giannis to make use of his prime being that he was 28 at the time and Jrue was the only player of value that they could trade.

Damsodomie | Timberwolves

1 | 3 hours ago

And then he was absolutely awful in the playoffs. It worked when he was the third option behind Khris (though he still always shot sub 50% TS), the moment he was asked to be a second option he shrunk so bad it’s comical. They were clearly going nowhere with him.

SamQuentin

1 | 6 hours ago

Middleton, Jrue , Lopez etc were at the end of their careers and making big money.

Pat Conaughton was making 9 M.

The contracts for guys who had little left in the tank were awful

iamgarron | Celtics

0 | 9 hours ago

Yeh but in theory the perfect PnR partner with Giannis.

irelli | Trail Blazers

-8 | 8 hours ago

It would’ve worked if Giannis had bought in

Say what you want, but Giannis is the problem. He makes everyone around him worse.

He’s actually exceedingly difficult to build around. You need a center that can shoot and defend because he refuses to play the 5, you need guards that play exclusively off ball because he dominates the ball and won’t run the PnR, and he plays absurdly slow in the half court and gets everyone out of rhythm

BSantos57 | Heat

1 | an hour ago

Even with a healthy Dame they had the worst roster from #3 to #12 out of any playoff team, and worse than a lot of lottery teams.

A declining Brook was the only player that could be argued to be starter level for a decent team on a part-time role, the rest of the roster was filled with limited bench players and non-rotation fillers.

Even with limited draft assets, they’ve been miserable at drafting since Giannis got there, the only good picks they had were Brogdon and DiVincenzo, and they ended up trading DiVincenzo for uber-washed Serge Ibaka. They’re bad at developing players, but also pretty bad at playing the margins, which is a deadly combination for any team that wants to contend.

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NoShape0 | Spurs

43 | 9 hours ago

They didn’t really have a choice but to hope

Waste_Committee4406 | Pacers

7 | 8 hours ago

Nah they were mean af about it and clowning on us. Come on down to the bottom Bucks the waters nice.

Drak_is_Right | Pacers

2 | 6 hours ago

They dont own their own pick rights.

FKJVMMP | MIL

22 | 9 hours ago

He’s still been a hell of a lot better than the corpse of Brook Lopez, we just need a lot more needle-moving than that.

pomofusion | IND

4 | 9 hours ago

The costs of doing that deal are gonna be felt for a while, me thinks.

GreenGator | Bucks

10 | 9 hours ago

was the best move they could make with the situation they were in. it just didn’t work.

dame injury + doc rivers combo is too much for any franchise to recover from.

pomofusion | IND

0 | 9 hours ago

Honestly though, was it a better move than not doing it? Maybe that results in Giannis leaving (?) but allows for more flexibility in the future to rebuild?

XLVwisco | Bucks

0 | 9 hours ago

Honestly hard to give you a good answer since I think that Doc is the main reason this team is underperforming. Probably still not a move I’d like though. The problem is we don’t even own our picks for a while so tanking isn’t really an option.

Mamadi-Diakite | Bucks

0 | 9 hours ago

As opposed to being stuck with a frozen draft pick? The move was more about getting out of the aprons and getting financial flexibility. The Myles signing was only part of it.

SamQuentin

1 | 6 hours ago

Hard disagree. Turner has been beyond awful

Undevelop

0 | 9 hours ago

This season is Joker fanboys and that bot with a Raptors flair’s ¹²⁄₂₅

-xXxMangoxXx- | Raptors

1 | 7 hours ago

Its always funny when someone will have a flair from a different team to hide behind.

808Kuro | Nuggets

-5 | 9 hours ago

Yeah I’m having fun with the Bucks and Giannis demise ngl

Renegadeforever2024 | Raptors

-8 | 10 hours ago

like they always are

-xXxMangoxXx- | Raptors

6 | 7 hours ago

Middleton and lopez became old and washed and didnt have much trade value, and the dame trade made sense at the time but injuries fucked them on that. They had a bunch of small mistakes here and there, and some good moves here and there but a lot of their problems just stemmed from bad luck and their championship team aging out. The doc rivers hiring was inexcusable, but a lot of it stemmed from Giannis picking Adrian Griffin over Nick Nurse, only for the team to run Adrian Griffins crazy ass out after.

SamQuentin

3 | 6 hours ago

Adrian Griffin was 30-13 and had them at 2 in the East

Just to give perspective oh just how unbelievably bad Doc is.

-xXxMangoxXx- | Raptors

1 | 5 hours ago

If he was anything but a headcase and dame didnt get injured the bucks would unironically look so much better right now.

Drak_is_Right | Pacers

1 | 6 hours ago

It was years of wasted draft picks (and mor picks wasted on bad trades).

Holiday was the best trade they made. Dame was needed, but turned out bad in hindsight. A lot of others…bad..

ShotgunStyles | Kings

4 | 9 hours ago

They’re thinking about trading for Zach Lavine too. I say do it. What do you have to lose, Cream City?

False_Pear1860

1 | 6 hours ago

“My dignity, my sanity… My lunch”

Drak_is_Right | Pacers

1 | 6 hours ago

Half of Bucks fans think outside of Giannis they dont have the worst roster in the NBA and its all due to Doc Rivers.

They think the team has a lot of good players.

Instead of 2 guys about rank 100 and 4 more about rank 200 to 250.

irelli | Trail Blazers

-7 | 8 hours ago

Because Giannis is absurdly hard to build around - he’s the problem because of his ego and his desire to put up stats over doing what’s best for the team as a whole

He refuses to screen and demands to be on ball, so every PG he plays with struggles offensively. He won’t screen, so you can’t run the PnR. But if you run it with someone else, there’s no spacing because they play off of Giannis. And if you try to ISO, again, there’s no spacing because they play off of Giannis

He refuses to play the 5 but also can’t shoot, so you have to have a floor spacer at the center spot

He dominates the ball and looks to score on every play, which gets everyone else out of rhythm.

Matzeeh | Spurs

53 | 10 hours ago

Giannis chatting to Wemby with his hand over his mouth at the end wont help the rumors. Belt to ass tho.

SquimJim | Celtics

39 | 10 hours ago

Idc what Spurs fans say, I want to see the Freak and the Alien join forces

orangekingo | Spurs

24 | 9 hours ago

We want Giannis, we just don’t want to pay for him lol. That package would gut the entire roster. It’s why he’s not gonna get moved, nobody can afford the guy.

InfluenceRough6729 | 76ers

7 | 9 hours ago

They should both join the anomaly

dys0n_giddey | Timberwolves

4 | 9 hours ago

The Anomaly at The Alamo

ntpbr1

1 | 5 hours ago

Giannis at the end of the game probably: No I wasn’t talking about any trades with Wemby, I am staying here, I love it here, but who knows, today I am not talking about it but maybe tomorrow I am, also my agent is going rouge I can’t control what happens to me.

Thehelloman0 | Spurs

47 | 10 hours ago

This game wasn’t that close either. The spurs third stringers sucked, we were up like 34 points when the regular guys got pulled

Ancient_Response_787

23 | 10 hours ago

Giannis, please leave, it’s over, accept it

Ok-Topic-6095 | Spurs

12 | 10 hours ago

I kept joking Giannis was just going to stay in San Antonio, then him and Wemby had a full conversation at midcourt….

TheCurlyAnamoies

19 | 10 hours ago

Kevin Porter Jr does not play winning basketball

Man what the fuck was that

wolfpack_57 | Bucks

7 | 8 hours ago

He’s streaky in every way and Doc is letting him iso way too much. Crazy because we got Kuz to take layups or 3s and it worked

Renegadeforever2024 | Raptors

3 | 9 hours ago

franchise cornerstone bucks fans said after his fugazi hot streak

TheCurlyAnamoies

2 | 9 hours ago

i fell for the hype of his hot streak while giannis was out

but man, im sorry the guy looked like straight cheeks

SloshaPacana

1 | 9 hours ago

KPJ is my favorite type of NBA player, he has stans that defend him somehow and teams always think oh maybe he will no longer be brain dead

Spoiler: He won’t

Bucks are desperate though, can’t blame them, they got fucked and their options are limited

-xXxMangoxXx- | Raptors

1 | 7 hours ago

I love when every former team of a player tells you a guy is shit, but the honeymoon phase is good so a fanbase convinces yourself the player is good and fights with other fanbases, only for the player to be ass.

gridironk

12 | 10 hours ago

Spurs and Wolves went hard on them dudes. Salute!

samhit_n | Lakers

10 | 10 hours ago

As a Lakers fan, I don’t like this stat.

orangekingo | Spurs

9 | 9 hours ago

Firing Doc Rivers isn’t enough. He needs to be vaporized by a space laser. He needs to be stopped.

Riskybusiness622

1 | 6 hours ago

Preach brother

ifuckwithit | Spurs

7 | 10 hours ago

I would probably boo too

Miyagisans

7 | 9 hours ago

They beat the lakers btw 😂

inshamblesx | Rockets

5 | 10 hours ago

steps to success

Renegadeforever2024 | Raptors

-2 | 10 hours ago

idk how giannis got away with that

_Juntao | Celtics

7 | 9 hours ago

Pacers dodged a bullet not re-signing myles turner. Jay huff is just as good for a fraction of the salary

Kika_7905 | Celtics

2 | 9 hours ago

I had wanted for us to pick him up

ThatOtherOtherGuy3 | Knicks

0 | 9 hours ago

Yeah, they saw the writing on the wall and took emotion out of it. Such a good move. 🤬 Pacers

SmokimNoah | Bulls

4 | 9 hours ago

No trade can save them

MachoMadnessCO | Thunder

2 | 9 hours ago

Pretty impressive to out shit their shittiest two game stretch ever for a team that has had it’s fair share of ass seasons with bad rosters

Son_of_Atreus | Celtics

3 | 8 hours ago

Doc Rivers really gave up a cushy retirement with some cool media gigs to run this Bucks team into the dirt and carry a whole load of stress for limited reward.

albinotadpole52 | Bucks

1 | 14 minutes ago

I gave up on this team the second they hired him.

cs-shitposter | Celtics

2 | 10 hours ago

boooo

Awanderingleaf

2 | 8 hours ago

When Kyle Kuzma and Kevin Porter Jr are in contention for a teams second best player what else should one expect?

If Giannis isn’t traded he is basically punting what’s left of his prime. Staying on the Bucks would signal the end of him doing anything meaningful in the NBA again beyond accumulating stats.

Motor-Platform-200

1 | 10 hours ago

are they deliberately tanking now or something

_Meece_ | Lakers

8 | 10 hours ago

This Giannis’ supporting cast is in running for worst all time, for a Top 20 player in their prime.

Stank team + Giannis won’t win too many games.

NoShape0 | Spurs

5 | 9 hours ago

They don’t have their pick, so no

edit- I stand corrected, but only on a technicality because the Pels are at the bottom!

hiimhabibja | Bucks

8 | 9 hours ago

We pretty much do. Atlanta owns the pelicans pick that has a swap attached with the bucks. If this keeps up, both will be top 5 picks.

NoShape0 | Spurs

1 | 9 hours ago

I know Hawks have best of either Bucks or Pels. So if Pels have a better pick then yours then Hawks will take it. But then you keep your position and Pels don’t get anything?

XLVwisco | Bucks

2 | 9 hours ago

Milwaukee gets the less favorable of the Bucks and Pels pick.

hiimhabibja | Bucks

1 | 9 hours ago

It was a swap we gave the pels from the Jrue trade. Hawks own the pelicans pick not ours. They can just swap positions if the bucks end up with a higher draft spot than the pels pick.

Skylightt

1 | 9 hours ago

The booing was valid.

Cold_Library_9254

1 | 9 hours ago

Giannis got Luka phone number btw, Giannis choice now

ratfam1 | Bulls

1 | 9 hours ago

Is this the demise of the state of Wisconsin’s dominance in sports? I used to pray for times like these.

Neobum | Bucks

1 | 9 hours ago

Thing is, the 54 points could have been so much worse if our bench in the 4th didn’t play with energy and care

itsdrewmiller | Timberwolves

1 | 7 hours ago

I mean how could they expect to come within 30 points of a timberwolves team missing Ant and Gobert?

ryanb1705

1 | 3 hours ago

This stat isn’t correct I think, unless I am misinterpreting it. They lost consecutive games by 9 and 48 in January 1990 (57 total). If you want to get crazy, they lost their last playoff game in 2014-15 by 54 alone, then lost the next season home opener by 25 (79 total). This was just based off a quick check of their biggest losses ever and the games either side, there could be more (and bigger) examples.

ryanb1705

1 | 3 hours ago

The combined margin for the last two games is also only 51 (18 + 33).

allanjameson | Lakers

0 | 9 hours ago

Bam & Herro for Giannis loading soon

Past-Discount-52 | Pacers

0 | 9 hours ago

BOOOOOOOOOO!

ThatOtherOtherGuy3 | Knicks

0 | 9 hours ago

Do you know who would really help this team? Karl Anthony Towns! He’d be the perfect fit and mentor, and you may be able to fleece the Knicks by getting rid Giannis, who’s been a locker room cancer, at the same time.

Renegadeforever2024 | Raptors

-4 | 10 hours ago

it’s just keeps getting better

Debits_equals_credit

-7 | 10 hours ago

Giannis overrated????

SmokimNoah | Bulls

8 | 10 hours ago

Not in the slightest

Debits_equals_credit

1 | 9 hours ago

Idk dude. His team lost back to back games by a combined margin of 54 points

ThatOtherOtherGuy3 | Knicks

1 | 9 hours ago

👏 well played

Hour_Glass57 | Lebanon

2 | 9 hours ago

No

Renegadeforever2024 | Raptors

1 | 9 hours ago

always has been

Debits_equals_credit

3 | 9 hours ago

LOL you’re serious???

ThatOtherOtherGuy3 | Knicks

0 | 9 hours ago

If he plays for a big market contender, the narrative will be that he’s been underrated.

[Garcia] The Bucks lose back-to-back games by a combined margin of 54 points. This is the largest margin over two games in franchise history. The previous high was 48, last done in 1983