Competitive-Day-5675 | Lakers

74 | 8 hours ago

This is perfect for the Mavs

-Accelerate Flagg’s development

-Get a high pick

-No AD extension

-Kyrie doesn’t need to rush back

-Kyrie and AD come back healthy next year

Grooviemann1 | Suns

33 | 5 hours ago

Lol, you were making sense until “AD comes back healthy next year”. If that’s what you’re banking on for your team to be successful, you’ve already failed. It’s not impossible, but it’s so unlikely that it may as well be.

andres7832 | SAS

7 | 5 hours ago

He didn’t say for how long… he could be healthy to start the season, play a couple games (or quarters) then go down injured, rinse and repeat

Grooviemann1 | Suns

2 | 5 hours ago

You’re right, but the point is that there is no scenario where AD gets older and he helps your team more or raises his trade value. Might as well dump him now while there might still be one or two teams that can get hoodwinked.

qotsabama | DAL

1 | 4 hours ago

I mean healthy or not, AD will be the 3rd option next year behind Flagg and Kyrie. If he can even be remotely healthy, that’s not a bad position to be in, especially when you already have really good role players like Max, Naji, PJ, Gafford, Lively, and possibly Klay if he isn’t traded. Not even counting the top 5-7 pick they have coming in this year. Thats a deep team, just will depend on the jump 2nd year from Flagg and how Kyrie looks post injury. Personally I think Kyrie will be fine as the second option, he should be able to score 22-24 a game easily enough.

msterling2012 | Mavericks

17 | 8 hours ago

No they need to trade AD. Not question about it. It’s a miserable experience having him on this team and they need financial flexibility.

Asleep_Lab985

20 | 7 hours ago

Trade him for what though. His trade value is so low due to the constant injuries. Just don’t extend him

bigbackbing

-6 | 5 hours ago

That’s dumb and you sound like a 5 year old “just don’t extend him, why trade him for some value when you can just lose him for no value” Jesus

Stuffleapugus

4 | 5 hours ago

What value do you think he has right now? Not extending him and seeing where they are next season is the only logical course of action.

Shasty-McNasty | LAL

1 | 4 hours ago

We traded him for Luka like one year ago. He’s gotta have a little value at least.

DeyZent | Magic

1 | 4 hours ago

not when the second apron exists

Asleep_Lab985

1 | 4 hours ago

What value? No one is gonna take him without Dallas attaching assets bc of his injury hx. You’re dumb to think otherwise 🤷🏾

Or just wait and hope the trade value can be rehabbed which is always possible

msterling2012 | Mavericks

-7 | 7 hours ago

At this point try and get expiring contracts and that Cleveland pick from Atlanta and call it a day.

His trade value isn’t going to magically get better and he wants to come back and play in 6ish weeks when we need to be organically tanking for a top 5 pick.

Asleep_Lab985

11 | 7 hours ago

I don’t disagree with this in theory. Just having a hard time seeing why anyone would do that unless you guys attached assets to him, especially after this last injury

BasketballAndFriends | Hawks

4 | 6 hours ago

Yeah Mavs fans are literally the only people still trying to get a pick back for the worst contract in the league. Even the stump Dallas mouthpieces have given up on getting picks back

clonemusic | Mavericks

2 | 5 hours ago

Mav fans are just saying if you can’t get a pick back then don’t trade him…

BasketballAndFriends | Hawks

3 | 5 hours ago

Literally 2 above me is saying to get the Cleveland pick from the Hawks and has a Mavericks flair. Anybody still saying picks has a Mavericks flair

clonemusic | Mavericks

1 | 5 hours ago

It literally says try…. and he’s responding to a mavs fan….

BasketballAndFriends | Hawks

-4 | 5 hours ago

Right, so the only people still trying to get a pick back are Mavs fans, even after the mouthpieces gave up - which is exactly what I said?

clonemusic | Mavericks

-2 | 5 hours ago

Also I just typed in mavs trade idea anthony Davis, and bleacher report and si have articles today with a pick coming back to dallas. Not that that really means anything but it kinda kills your point too

BasketballAndFriends | Hawks

2 | 5 hours ago

Between you not understanding what you’re arguing in the first place and then saying “not that that really means anything but it kills your argument” it’s pretty clear your reading comprehension is awful. Also bleacher report lmaooo

Pretend_Echidna_1638 | Mavericks

9 | 7 hours ago

I agree. There is nothing you can get back in a trade that is as good as AD. What does a 28th pick in 2028 from the Pistons, for example, bring to the team?

Get a good pick this year and then have AD and Kyrie lead the team as veterans.

vawyer

8 | 7 hours ago

nonono I don’t think you understand. rich paul says AD has to get out of Dallas so AD HAS to get out of Dallas and receive an extension asap so Rich Paul gets his money

Pretend_Echidna_1638 | Mavericks

11 | 7 hours ago

Ah okay, I do not want Rich Paul to starve. That would be cruel…

Inevitable-Scar5877

7 | 5 hours ago

Think of Adele

MightyIrish

2 | 5 hours ago

“Healthy next year” ROFL

MLS_Analyst | Celtics

1 | 7 hours ago

Nailed it. And look, if he comes back next year and sucks, then fuck it – trade him then. Eat shit on it if you have to.

But this really is a perfect scenario. A young core of Flagg, Christie, Lively and another lotto pick, two high-level vets coming back, and a bunch of mid-career vets (Gafford, PJ, Naji) with real trade value.

I see the vision!

iro3 | Spurs

2 | 6 hours ago

Lovely is never healthy he can’t be a core piece

andres7832 | SAS

2 | 5 hours ago

People finally seeing Nico’s vision!

FunkyDGarp

1 | 3 hours ago

Flagg won’t find better vets than AD, Ky and Klay. So if we can’t find a good trade now, it might be a blessing in disguise long term

msterling2012 | Mavericks

59 | 8 hours ago

Good. Fuck Rich Paul.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

-8 | 7 hours ago

Why

lalakingmalibog | Mavericks

47 | 7 hours ago

Rich Paul poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!

ForneauCosmique | Spurs

23 | 6 hours ago

And he never ONCE paid for drugs

BikingThroughCanada | Supersonics

1 | 4 hours ago

He did?!

ObiOneKenobae | Knicks

8 | 7 hours ago

Not that there aren’t multiple other reasons, but have some people really forgotten about the circumstances around him getting AD out of New Orleans?

TimothyN | Pelicans

13 | 6 hours ago

It’ was okay because it was to the Lakers. AD checked out to get what he wanted. Don’t trust or listen to Rich Paul.

Inevitable-Scar5877

3 | 5 hours ago

This is where I think Paul/AD are miscalculating– if he comes back but “checks out” now people are just going to assume it’s because he’s washed and he’ll be lucky to get a Westbrook contract

TimothyN | Pelicans

3 | 5 hours ago

I mean he’s also old and injured. Even Dumars wouldn’t give him an extension right now.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

6 | 5 hours ago

You underestimate the incompetence of Joe Dumars

Inevitable-Scar5877

2 | 5 hours ago

You have substantially more faith in Joe Dumars than I do.

If Dallas had an actual GM he’d be trying to sell Joe on a “welcome home” redemption arc for AD in exchange for Zion or something

TimothyN | Pelicans

1 | 4 hours ago

That’s pretty lateral honestly unless Zion actually turns the corner this year.

Inevitable-Scar5877

1 | an hour ago

I’d take that deal in a heartbeat as a Mavs fan. It’s the sort of dice roll you have to make unless you’re one of the chosen franchises or you have Sam Preston as a GM

399may00

0 | 3 hours ago

Cause he’s a little lame. He’s basically little Trump.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

1 | 2 hours ago

What?

Robinsonirish | Finland

-3 | 7 hours ago

I also want to know why.

Ace_FGC | Lakers

-7 | 7 hours ago

Always so funny when fans start hating agents like they work in the front office lol

osmnaos3 | Toronto Huskies

11 | 7 hours ago

lol the mavs ownership and remnants of Nico’s front office are really out here playing victim.

399may00

2 | 3 hours ago

Idk choosing between Nico or LeBron and his crew, that’s a ⁵⁰⁄₅₀ for me. A wash if I may.

Proof-Umpire-7718 | Lakers

7 | 8 hours ago

It’s clear that the Mavs just want to make their own decisions.

They aren’t concerned about AD and his agent applying pressure to maximise his chances of securing a massive extension.

I think he’ll stay because his injury will make his value too low to the point where the Mavs would rather keep him.

They can shut him down this season and tank, and compete with him next season alongside a core of Kyrie, second year Flagg, and their draft pick, if they get someone that is particularly promising.

imcryptic | Mavericks

12 | 6 hours ago

Rich just has zero leverage. We’ve already tried trading him to anyone with a pulse and now he’s hurt so what are they gonna do? Hold him out?

Inevitable-Scar5877

3 | 5 hours ago

Lol. I think the threat is that he’ll take his player option and force us to pay him 60+ million in 27-28 for the 35ish games AD plays in a year.

imcryptic | Mavericks

3 | 5 hours ago

His opt-in date for his final year isn’t until June 2027. That’s not a threat at all. The only leverage they had was when he was healthy and we would win too many games and ruin our last lottery pick of the decade. With him hurt, that doesn’t matter. We will just trade him in the off-season when it’s significantly easier to move large contracts like his.

Dead_Document

2 | 3 hours ago

There is no way AD would risk Free Agency with his injury history.

GuardHot2069

1 | 5 hours ago

You’re not wrong, but I think that’s the medicine the Mavs are going to have to take.

radskorpion | Gran Destino

5 | 5 hours ago

mark Cuban should have never sold tbh

Other-Owl4441

2 | 7 hours ago

I don’t even understand why they would be at odds. Isn’t it in everyone’s best interest to move the guy?

msterling2012 | Mavericks

7 | 7 hours ago

Dallas isn’t going to trade him for a return that hurts their ability to develop Flagg

Victor_Wembanyama1 | Spurs

1 | 7 hours ago

What return hurts their ability to develop Flagg?

Other-Owl4441

0 | 7 hours ago

What would that type of return look like? And why would Paul care about the return, doesn’t he just want to get him moved?

Inevitable-Scar5877

5 | 5 hours ago

Paul doesn’t care about the return, Dallas does and thus won’t trade him

msterling2012 | Mavericks

2 | 7 hours ago

Optimistically expiring salary and a mid to late first (I.e. the Cavs pick the Hawks own).

Worst case scenario, salary dump for expirings where Dallas isn’t taking back bad long term money.

What I don’t want is to trade him for IQ and Poeltl’s awful contracts that last longer than AD’s unless Toronto is sending back multiple firsts/swaps.

Other-Owl4441

1 | 7 hours ago

That makes sense to me, I just don’t really follow why Paul & the Mavs wouldn’t be aligned on moving him for a salary dump or picks.

Cool_Recognition_848

-3 | 7 hours ago

I hate to break it to you but worst case scenario for a 33 year old who usually plays 40-50 games a year is not expiring contracts, it’s definitely taking on some long term money.

imcryptic | Mavericks

9 | 6 hours ago

Cool so if that’s what the return would be then AD can opt in and walk after his player option. There’s no reason to take on longer, worse money just to “get off AD” if it doesn’t either help us build around Coop or shed salary.

The only year that draft position matters for us is this year and AD already secured that by getting hurt.

Cool_Recognition_848

0 | 6 hours ago

Nobody is saying they would take on longer and worse money. But they might and I think would probably have to take on some long term money if they trade AD.

But like you would rather have two years of AD playing 40-50 games than to have a worse player who’s actually available. Im a Raptors fan so let’s say RJ Barrett and Quickley plus pick or picks for AD next year. Barrett’s $30M contract comes off the books at the end of the year, Quickley’s $30M contract runs two years after AD’s. Is that bad from your point of view? I mean I know it’s not some great deal but it seems not so bad to me.

That’s just an example by the way, as a Raptors fan I don’t want them to trade for and extend especially AD.

imcryptic | Mavericks

2 | 5 hours ago

I don’t think the raptors would do RJ and IQ. I was thinking about a Raptors trade when I wrote that response but more like IQ and Poeltl which would be spreading ADs bad money for smaller longer deals.

I would consider RJ and IQ though. I just have a hard time believing the Raptors would trade for an injured big man on a max while still having Poeltl’s contract on their books

Cool_Recognition_848

1 | 5 hours ago

Yea I don’t think they would do it, also because the shooting without Quickley is already not great. I was just looking for an example where you have to keep half of the AD money for a decent player.

Im with you that IQ and Poetl would be too much money to take on long term. I definitely think that would be worse than my worst case scenario considering Poetl’s contract length and health. In that case, no question the Mavs wait out AD’s contract instead unless maybe it came with a bunch of picks.

Inevitable-Scar5877

2 | 5 hours ago

Then why not just let ADs contract expire instead

Cool_Recognition_848

1 | 5 hours ago

I think even with taking some long term money back that an AD trade could still help the Mavs. If they think that AD won’t give them more than 40 games a season then breaking his salary down into a couple of guys and keeping on some money long term wouldn’t be the worst idea.

StormTheTrooper | Mavericks

1 | 2 hours ago

I think it was quite implicit that the guy meant worst case scenarios within acceptable trades.

Mavs have a total of 0 incentive to move AD for bad contracts. 0. We will still be in the 2nd apron without a competitive team, picks and still pressured to make room in the roster for Nembhard. If we are not getting out of the 2nd apron through AD, just keep him there for next year and move Gaff.

Cool_Recognition_848

1 | 2 hours ago

Yes and I think in an acceptable trade the worst case still includes taking on some long term money. Mavs seemed close to moving AD already and would possibly prefer players who can play instead of AD. There is also the possibility that he demands a trade to get somewhere where he can get an extension, though I don’t know how many teams are offering that.

msterling2012 | Mavericks

0 | 6 hours ago

He’s been healthy in 60 of 61 playoff games and is an elite two way player when on the court. I feel confident they’ll be able to find a team willing to to take a chance if it doesn’t cost them any of their best players or assets.

They’ll just keep him till he’s an expiring rather than take back long term bad salary.

Cool_Recognition_848

0 | 6 hours ago

Nobody cares that he played in the playoffs 2 years ago, he’s 33 now, injury prone and misses 30-40 games a year. He’s been on the Mavs less than a year and Mavs fans are desperate to get rid of him because of how many injuries he’s already piled up.

You might be right that a team would give the Mavs something for him but if we’re talking worst case then yea you’re taking money back some long term money. The idea thay the worst case is the Mavs getting 50 million in cap space is optimistic to me.

msterling2012 | Mavericks

2 | 6 hours ago

No worse case scenario is just keeping him. They’re not taking back bad money over more years than what they owe AD.

Dallas also doesn’t open up $50M in cap space by taking back only expiring salary. They are a projected second apron team next season with him. They’d open up minimal cap space after accounting for their first and signing Nembhard.

Cool_Recognition_848

1 | 6 hours ago

You were talking about worst case scenario for AD returns no? That’s what I’m talking about, trade returns.

msterling2012 | Mavericks

2 | 6 hours ago

Yeah but I’m talking about realistic outcomes. The worse case scenario is they attach Cooper Flagg to get off AD. That’s not happening, and neither is them taking back bad salary that lasts more years than what they owe AD next year and for his team option (unless they’re getting first round picks).

qotsabama | DAL

1 | 4 hours ago

Who gives a fuck about Rich Paul. He’s just an agent. AD has two years left under contract, he’s a Mav until Mavs decide he isn’t.

Inevitable-Scar5877

2 | 5 hours ago

Paul wants him moved at all costs to a team that will extend him, the Mavs would rather put him on IR for the rest of the year then see him in October than get rid of him for nothing

No_Nefariousness6385 | Kings

2 | 6 hours ago

“bully us… just like he and his client Fox did to the Kings”

nbaistheworst

1 | 8 hours ago

AD should be happy that he got the current deal with a player option, as little as he plays. If next season goes well, the Mavs could pony up the extension.

CanalVillainy | Pelicans

1 | 5 hours ago

Wish David Griffen would have had that same moxie instead of dick tucking. Actually, while I’m wishing, I wish we never would have brought Griff in

399may00

1 | 3 hours ago

The irony that the name is Rich but every thing this guy says/does is done so poorly. He’s going to set blacklethics/representation back 20 years with this nonsense. Adele needs to give him his bottle and nap time 🤡

mattgcreek

1 | 42 minutes ago

Is Rich Paul losing NBA pull now that Lebron is old?

Jason_B_Kidding

0 | 7 hours ago

“Patrick is not going to sign off on a deal just to do a deal. Ownership doesn’t feel any pressure to do an AD deal.”

Wtf is this quote? lmao….

Way to stand your ground on just this AD trade in particular, Mr. tough guy Dumont.

lets_talk_basketball

-3 | 7 hours ago

Rich does a lot of shit I don’t agree with. But I hate how some folks paint him out to be some mob boss. lol he does the same shit every other agent does

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

-9 | 7 hours ago

How do you get bullied by an agent? That means you wanted to bully the player.

msterling2012 | Mavericks

7 | 7 hours ago

No it means Rich Paul is pressing Dallas into taking some bad trade to get AD to a team that will maybe extend him. And they’re politely telling him to fuck off.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

0 | 5 hours ago

Isn’t that what you want from an agent if you’re a player? Get me the best deal and get me where I’m going to get the best deal

ArjunBanerji27 | Nuggets

0 | 3 hours ago

Isn’t that what you want from an agent if you’re a player?

And the Mavericks aren’t the player.

EverettGT

1 | 7 hours ago

Agents who have multiple big-name clients can steer those clients away from organizations that pissed them off when it comes to free agency.

Inevitable-Scar5877

3 | 5 hours ago

People say this, hell it was the big talking point on why the Blazers had to trade Dame to Miami, but is there any evidence whatsoever that agents actually have that power?

Dallas was famously generous to Free Agents under Cuban, Klay is their most significant FA signing in decades

EverettGT

1 | 3 hours ago

is there any evidence whatsoever that agents actually have that power?

Most agents probably don’t, but the few agents who have multiple big-name clients do. Like David Falk in his prime or likely Rich Paul now.

Inevitable-Scar5877

1 | 2 hours ago

Theoretically yes but…..I just don’t know how much it actually matters. If the best owner in sports owns one of the franchises that athletes generally ignore is it suddenly going to make Charlotte, or Sacramento or Portland or even Dallas (which had both a super athlete friendly tax environment and a player experience focused owner) a free agent destination?

There’s basically a certain set of teams that due to location and/or history are pretty much always going to be a destination– NY (both teams), Florida (Miami but to a lesser extent in the past Orlando), LA (Lakers primarily but Ballmer has pushed the Clippers up the list) and then second tier teams that have a great organizational rep + consistent, generally home grown talent that makes them a trade/free agency option- this list is basically San Antonio, Boston, and potentially the Warriors though we’ll see if they can transition post-Curry like the Spurs did post-Duncan or if they fall off like the 90s Bulls.

That first tier of teams can shift up and down a bit for a few years based on ownership and current outlook but they’re always going to be there– especially the Lakers and the Knicks.

Then you have everyone else outside of the bottom tier. These teams can move up and become level 2 or even temporary level 1 players if they have an MVP level star but outside of that they’re not getting the top tier free agents regardless of how good they are to agents or players.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

1 | 5 hours ago

That’s what agents should do right. Whats best for the client not the team. GM’s do whats best for the team and not the player

EverettGT

0 | 3 hours ago

Your question was how teams get bullied by agents, not whether or not agents should try to bully teams.

dizzymidget44 | Pistons

1 | 2 hours ago

So how is it bullying if agents do it but not if teams do it? Isn’t that just the business

McMahon on the Mav’s approach to AD trade situation: “‘Rich Paul is not going to bully us.’ That is a direct quote from a member of the Mavericks organization.”