username_x | Bucks

843 | 7 hours ago

Call me crazy but at this point I would much rather have Herro than Ja. And I am a big Herro hater

DavramLocke | Pistons

337 | 7 hours ago

This was my thought. Herro seems to want to play basketball more than Morant.

movingunderbraking

96 | 6 hours ago

herro also suits the heat much better. since the heatles era, the fundamental flaw with how the roster has been built is a lack of outside shooting, size, and ball distribution. herro does a better job than ja on the former two and it’s close in the latter, especially with mitchell shouldering the facilitator load well and the abandonment of pick and roll play suiting more passing. getting rid of herro for a guy who can’t shoot the ball and is undersized would ruin what the heat have finally started to fix. the heat are the antithesis of individualist basketball, which sadly is what ja represents.

memphis should trade him to sacramento so i can finally kill myself because of how disgusting basketball can be

PlatosLeftTit | Heat

18 | 6 hours ago

Ja’s undersized but he’d be a defensive upgrade compared to Herro sadly. We also lack a high level on ball offensive creator, Davion’s nice but he’s not a scoring threat and is a throwback to that 08-12 era point guard. Ja’s just better suited for this team, he’s more decisive on ball compared to Herro, doesn’t slow the offense down and pushes tempo while being in a different stratosphere as a playmaker, passer and ball handler.

Fallingcity22 | Knicks

2 | 5 hours ago

Yeah unfortunately for herro with Norman Powell they should be good for like a season or 2 he makes losing herro much easier.

EddieJones6 | Heat

8 | 5 hours ago

My only worry is Powell has been on a heater all season until recently, and doesn’t create off the dribble quite as well as Herro can.

But as long as a creator is coming back in, that doesn’t really matter.

Cy_Fiction

3 | 4 hours ago

Powell was on a heater majority of last season as well. Could be that he’s not actually on a heater but that he’s actually a late bloomer who is really good now

BiteyHorse | Warriors

2 | 3 hours ago

I’m a Norm Powell believer, he’s legit good.

Oopthealley | NBA

0 | 3 hours ago

Nephews pretending like Morant isn’t a clear upgrade on Herro is wild. Morant has a couple skills that are truly elite while Herro is a bit more well-rounded and has very good skills.

You can’t become a legit playoff team- a longshot contender- with a team full of Herro or Millsap type B/B+ players. You need some elite skills that you build a team around.

MddlingAges | Knicks

3 | an hour ago

I don’t think he does anymore? The decline is real.

AyMoeKill | Wizards

11 | 6 hours ago

Not to mention who wants to deal with the headache that is Ja Morant and Miami’s night life? lol

mMounirM | Raptors

65 | 7 hours ago

so what you’re saying is Bucks want Herro in the Miami package for Giannis

DasOptions | Heat

55 | 7 hours ago

Herro is a Cream City native

Wow_Good_Stats

22 | 6 hours ago

No way, dude is way too hard and badass to be from Milwaukee. I can tell he’s from 1980s Harlem.

username_x | Bucks

4 | 6 hours ago

We don’t claim him

TheFatmanRises | Heat

22 | 6 hours ago

You can’t deny blood ties

angelansbury

5 | 6 hours ago

unless it’s Haliburton

redditlvlanalysis

6 | 5 hours ago

You can if he decommits from the local school late leaving them with no options.

ButlerFromDowntown | Bulls

55 | 7 hours ago

Herro’s shooting is leagues better than Ja. Herro has missed a lot of time this year but I certainly don’t trust Ja to be healthier. Ja can get more assists but Herro isn’t a bad playmaker himself and that’s also just not a hole the Heat has right now. Ja is certainly not an improvement on defense. Best case scenario, a Herro for Ja trade would be a wash, and it’s more likely that it makes the team worse.

lessregretsnextyear | Cavaliers

20 | 6 hours ago

Not even close. I’d take Herro 10 times outta 10 over Ja.

tokengreenguy | BOS

1 | 6 hours ago

Depends on the team makeup. Do you have a great roster already and Herro can be a super sixth man? Then probably Herro. Do you have the Heat’s roster? Then I’ll take Ja. Way more talented player.

WhiteHeterosexualGuy | Hawks

2 | 6 hours ago

Miami probably wants impact, not talent.

tokengreenguy | BOS

-3 | 6 hours ago

Miami is currently a middling roster. They probably want to increase their ceiling rather than playing it safe in the middle.

PlatosLeftTit | Heat

-4 | 6 hours ago

Trust me Ja is much higher impact

WhiteHeterosexualGuy | Hawks

5 | 4 hours ago

Aren’t the Grizz notorious for going on long winning streaks without him lol

PlatosLeftTit | Heat

0 | 3 hours ago

We’re 17-13 without Herro and 3-6 with him this year and have a better net rating with Herro off the court over the past 3 seasons.

Herro 24-26: +0.5 net, -0.7 on-off

https://databallr.com/wowy/MIA/2024/2026/regular/high/wowy/1629639

Ja: 24-26: +2.8 net, +4.1 on off. Also keep in mind these numbers for Ja include this current season where he hates his coach and is pulling a Harden/Butler.

https://databallr.com/wowy/MEM/2024/2026/regular/high/wowy/1629630

Ja is much better, trust me. I’ve seen the majority of Herro’s career. Seen him choke in every playoff run after the bubble and saw this team make a Finals run while he was in street clothes, swapping him for Ja is robbery as far as I’m concerned.

theinterestof | Pistons

2 | 2 hours ago

First of all, 9 regular season games (279 minutes) is nowhere near a large enough sample size to be meaningful so no point bringing this year up.

Now that that’s out of the way, he’s had a positive on/off in 3 of the previous 4 seasons. In fact, the only negative season was when he missed 40 games and was in and out of the lineup with injuries.

BiteyHorse | Warriors

3 | 3 hours ago

Negative impact maybe.

PlatosLeftTit | Heat

0 | 3 hours ago

Statistically no not negative and also more impactful than Herro who again, statistically is actually negative impact

Krillin113 | 76ers

1 | 4 hours ago

You’re paying 40 mil for either soon enough

theinterestof | Pistons

1 | 2 hours ago

Sixth man? What’s it like living in 2022?

SnuggleBear2 | Heat

13 | 6 hours ago

The thing with Herro is he is due soon an extension that he will probably get around 35-40 million a year. Miamis problem is we would then have 90+ million a year tied up in Herro and Bam and they are 2 players that just cannot be the first option on a team. One probably has to go.

bananajunior3000 | Celtics

26 | 6 hours ago

Sure but is it better to have that money tied up in Ja and Bam?

movingunderbraking

18 | 6 hours ago

i’d rather tie my money to radio shack than ja

SnuggleBear2 | Heat

8 | 6 hours ago

I can’t speak for other Heat fans but me personally I’m ready to move on from Bam. To be honest I’d rather we just started over and try again. $50+ million for someone who has a lackluster offense just doesn’t do it for me. But I know the Heat FO is not willing to do a reset at all.

TheMeerkatLobbyist | Celtics

9 | 5 hours ago

If you reset completely, trading for Ja makes even less sense, right?

SnuggleBear2 | Heat

5 | 4 hours ago

Agree, I’d rather not have him. But it seems like a very Pat move to get him.

clear831 | Heat

0 | 3 hours ago

Absolutely but the FO wants to win a few games

eckliptic | NBA

0 | 6 hours ago

$40mil a yr feels like an overpay for his archetype in 2026

tokengreenguy | BOS

-3 | 6 hours ago

Do you think Herro’s ideal role is as a great sixth man?

Relo_bate

15 | 6 hours ago

Would be elite but he can start too, he’s an all star player

rapelbaum | Heat

8 | 5 hours ago

Tell me just one 6th man with 24/5/5 ? I think that never was one.

tokengreenguy | BOS

2 | 4 hours ago

Okay that’s fair, I probably underrate him too much.

whowasonCRACK2 | Lakers

9 | 6 hours ago

Isn’t Ja even more pick and roll dependent than Herro? I thought Miami was moving away from PnR. Doesn’t make sense to me at all.

Rainy_J | Grizzlies

7 | 4 hours ago

Miami brought in the LaRoche who ran the screenless offense that Ja hated. Ja depends pretty heavily on a big screener creating space

clear831 | Heat

3 | 3 hours ago

And we are starting to get away from the screen less offense

babysamissimasybab | Pacers

3 | 4 hours ago

I don’t actually think there’s a coherent argument that Ja helps a team win more than than Herro.

dmackerman | Suns

3 | 4 hours ago

Not crazy. Ja has gotten worse not better.

jcheeseball | Heat

2 | 6 hours ago

Yup. I’d imagine the Grizz would have to send draft capital in that case. However, the team does need a change I wouldn’t be shocked if they agree to something like that.

julstar23

2 | 6 hours ago

The grizz won’t because ja is their last asset outside of jaren they are not in a position to sell ja off for peanuts but ja isn’t helping his own trade value lolol

SportsBettingRef | Brazil

1 | 4 hours ago

you all are crazy. Ja is all-time low. Good bet to do. If you have a “culture” like Miami and a coach like Spo, you do the trade as soon you can.

clear831 | Heat

2 | 3 hours ago

The risk isn’t worth Herro.

Randvek | Trail Blazers

-1 | 6 hours ago

If you make that trade, you’re gambling that Ja is going to improve with new surroundings. It’s not a terrible gamble, all things considered.

MortimerCanon

-10 | 7 hours ago

I’d still take Ja. He’s a much better playmaker. The entire heat team can’t shoot so that doesn’t matter. Herro isn’t great defensively either

FERFreak731 | Jazz

588 | 7 hours ago

Wow, did Terry Rozier change his name to “Dead Money”?

Simple_Purple_4600

161 | 7 hours ago

If he rats out the Mob, he is

Sko_Neezy

53 | 7 hours ago

Good nickname though

bigraptorr | Raptors

1 | 20 minutes ago

Yeah shouldnt be wasted on Rozier

Even_Tangerine_4201

47 | 6 hours ago

When Terry Rozier files his taxes, he lists his occupation as “matching salary.”

Proud-Compote2434

5 | 6 hours ago

Terry Rozier just has to let go

TurkNowitzki28 | Rockets

4 | 5 hours ago

Are they allowed to move him?

Gettles | Nets

1 | 4 hours ago

Think Dead Money was one of the guys at Chauncy’s poker games

TiredMillennialDad | Magic

-1 | 6 hours ago

More like did Tyler change his name to that

completebrainrot | Trail Blazers

139 | 7 hours ago

Not even a Miami fan but I gotta admit I feel Herro is a better player than Ja right now?

Flaky-Mathematician8 | Heat

50 | 6 hours ago

He is. Ja isn’t even what the Heat need at this point, the guard rotation is already crowded.

sloBrodanChillosevic | Supersonics

27 | 6 hours ago

He also famously hated the Noah LaRoche offense last year, to the point that they veered away from it with like 10 games left in the season.

Flaky-Mathematician8 | Heat

5 | 5 hours ago

Right. He won’t do well in an offense that doesn’t set a lot of screens and they’re not changing the offense up for him if they acquire him.

JoeBiden2020FTW | Lakers

5 | 6 hours ago

The Heat just need talent, period.

It’s hard to come across talent, so they basically have to decide between just waiting around in the play-in, or accepting flawed talent with MASSIVE red flags.

Flaky-Mathematician8 | Heat

4 | 6 hours ago

The only Ja trade that makes sense in that case is Ja for Rozier and Fontecchio. Ja for Herro is a straight up downgrade.

mmortal03 | Heat

2 | 4 hours ago

I agree about Herro, but Rozier and Fontecchio is not the only Ja trade that makes sense. If you can get Ja plus a 3-and-D player for Wiggins and Rozier, and Ja actually buys in, then it could give us a higher ceiling than what we’re currently getting from Wiggins plus Rozier (who’s contributing nothing).

Flaky-Mathematician8 | Heat

2 | 4 hours ago

The only player the Heat should be looking at from the Grizzlies is Aldama since he’ll fix that hole for a floor spacing big that the Heat desperately need. But at that point the price starts getting driven up.

mmortal03 | Heat

-1 | 4 hours ago

I was looking at some three team trade possibilities where, for instance: The Heat get Rui from the Lakers and Ja and Jock from the Grizzlies, the Lakers get Wiggins and Jaquez, and the Grizzlies get Rozier and Gabe Vincent as expiring contracts plus some Heat picks and Dalton Knecht. There are other iterations of this.

I don’t think the Heat want to give up a lot of picks, though, and the Grizzlies will likely want more than just, effectively, Knecht and picks. But something like this would enable the Grizzlies to just tank and rebuild with some good picks, and cap space for free agents and future contracts for their current players.

julstar23

5 | 6 hours ago

Except flawed tal e nt can blow up in their faces worse than the rozier trade did .

JoeBiden2020FTW | Lakers

1 | 5 hours ago

Agreed. I would sit out Morant and let Herro walk for nothing (or flip him for whatever you can right now)

Just outlining why they are in a hard position and why they could talk themselves into Morant.

julstar23

2 | 5 hours ago

The heat has never made decisions based on desperation though .The lastvtime they did that they ended up with rozeir lol.

JoeBiden2020FTW | Lakers

-1 | 5 hours ago

They gave big contracts to Hassan Whiteside, Dion Waiters, and Tyler Johnson.

julstar23

4 | 5 hours ago

That was like 5 or 6 seasons ago before Jimmy got there.More like 8 seasons ago because none of them were on the roster when Jimmy got there .

JoeBiden2020FTW | Lakers

0 | 5 hours ago

So they made decisions based on desperation 5 or 6 years ago, then again recently with Rozier.

Sounds like they aren’t immune to it.

julstar23

1 | 4 hours ago

No team is immune but they are trying to avoid situations that can blow up in their face lol

GrogRhodes | Heat

4 | 5 hours ago

The point guard rotation is terrible. Mitchell is not a starter in the league.

Flaky-Mathematician8 | Heat

0 | 5 hours ago

Thats why Herro and Norm should start over him. It’s not like they use a PG for anything other to bring the ball up the court the most, the Heat PGs are there just to be defensive hounds.

They need a ⁴⁄₅ badly that’s what’s really hurting them.

mmortal03 | Heat

1 | 4 hours ago

Even this season, Ja is averaging just slightly more assisted points created than Davion, but let’s say you treat the two as equivalent in this sense, it wouldn’t hurt you to have both. One as a starter, and one off the bench. None of the other Heat guards creates this level of points from assists: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing?dir=D&sort=AST_POINTS_CREATED

NonchalantGhoul

1 | 5 hours ago

That’s a Spo problem for falling in love over Davion’s defense. He needs to get over it already, same with Dru.

Threash78 | Magic

1 | 4 hours ago

They are not trading for “right now” Ja, they are trading for Ja “but actually playing somewhere he gives enough of a shit to try and maybe he stays healthy for a while”. It’s a gamble, on a player that could potentially be better than Herro, a player who obviously WAS better than Herro not that long ago. They are counting on current Ja only being this bad because he wants out.

julstar23

5 | 4 hours ago

Has nobody asked why je wants out ?That the problem.aunless team know why he wants out of memphis then they can’t qutomat8cqlly assume that another team will fix him .have to know what’s broken first .

Mammoth_Two7297

118 | 7 hours ago

Please God don’t get rid of Herro for Ja.

Simple-Ad-7866 | Heat

10 | 4 hours ago

I’m just going to keep it a buck. All Heat fans, if not the majority, just want a rebuild.

Nodecafallowed

3 | 3 hours ago

Does that sentiment include Bam and his ³⁄₁₆₆ extension? Or do heat fans see him in the rebuild

clear831 | Heat

3 | 3 hours ago

Gone. Herro is the oldest player that would stick around unless he also brought in a good offer.

rawspeghetti | Celtics

1 | 11 minutes ago

Please God do this it would be the funniest shit

drjisftw | Pacers

106 | 7 hours ago

Herro + Fontecchio is nearly equal salary wise if you’re wondering

Rozier + Fontecchio also works in the trade machine

clear831 | Heat

11 | 3 hours ago

You don’t trade Herro in hopes for Ja to return to what he was 2+ years ago. Rozier + Fontecchio+ Jovic.

QueueCueQ | Nuggets

1 | 3 hours ago

Trust, me, keep the Serb. They’re sick with it

dys0n_giddey | Timberwolves

103 | 7 hours ago

Memphis jump on 2 first round picks faster than Ja pulls his gun out

BatmanNoPrep | Lakers

22 | 6 hours ago

Folks keep believing these fake trades being tossed out that include expiring salary and picks for troubled, non-productive, injured, supermax paid stars who are seeking extensions.

Those trades aren’t real. They’re wishlists from the vulnerable team. Nobody is trading anything of value for anyone else’s troubled star player. They’re vultures here to feast on the vulnerable team’s corpse. Memphis is going to get their version of CJ McCollum and Corey Kisbert.

yuhanz | PHO

10 | 5 hours ago

They especially wont get a guy like Herro lmao

Awanderingleaf

60 | 7 hours ago

You’re smoking the good stuff if you think Ja should fetch more than Trae. Herro is already too much to give up to willingly take on a headache like Ja. Should be something like Fontecchio + cash considerations and a pat on the back.

dys0n_giddey | Timberwolves

29 | 7 hours ago

I just don’t get why anyone would trade for Ja at this point, his contract even when playing well is an overpay.

Right now its insanity to take on a player+contract situation like that.

DasOptions | Heat

21 | 6 hours ago

No one knows why

But it’s provocative and gets the people going.

HokageEzio | Knicks

8 | 6 hours ago

Miami is always star hunting, and if there’s any team that would think they have the infrastructure to put him on the right path it’s Miami.

Relo_bate

8 | 6 hours ago

It’s the Vince Carter situation, he gon play his ass off once he’s traded

NonchalantGhoul

1 | 5 hours ago

But will he control his off court bullshit, especially being in Miami? That’s what kills the trade for most, Ja hasn’t shown himself to be professional at all

eexxiitt

6 | 6 hours ago

People like projects and we like to think we can “fix” others.

Zanner360 | Grizzlies

7 | 6 hours ago

I think something that gets overlooked in the trade value comparisons with Ja vs Trae is the cap space element.

With CJ and Tingus off the books the Hawks have about 70 mill in space IIRC that they can use to go free agent/sign and trade hunting. That probably encouraged them to forgoe some picks.

Both Ja and Trae are reclamation projects and bets that you can get them back to their all star levels. If you believe you can get Ja back to that level, you’d happily swap Ja for Herro.

julstar23

6 | 6 hours ago

Ja has to want to get back to that level .Ja is getting in ja’s own way lol.

Zanner360 | Grizzlies

2 | 6 hours ago

Yeah agreed, he clearly isn’t happy at the moment so he’s gonna pout instead of working to get on the floor and be consistent.

When we had Jenkins his approach was to coddle Ja, so if he goes to a coach that’s willing to do that I bet he’ll at least be motivated to play and give effort.

Probably means that the Heat wouldn’t be a good landing spot for him…

julstar23

1 | 6 hours ago

Spo doesn’t coddle players though .He’s the opposite of that and he’s going to tell you what you dont want to hear lol

Zanner360 | Grizzlies

1 | 6 hours ago

I agree, hence the last line of my comment

julstar23

1 | 6 hours ago

Like muami is the worse city and organization for a guy as bipolar as ja .He’s even more volatile than Jimmy. At least Jimmy kept quiet as long as he got paid lol.

DunkingZBO | Grizzlies

1 | 5 hours ago

There’s no way Zach Kleiman hates Ja that much to give him up for fontecchio and cash considerations lol

Awanderingleaf

5 | 5 hours ago

I don’t think anyone thought the Hawks would give up Trae for so little either lol. Their situation seemed far more amicable than whatever is going on in Memphis.

clear831 | Heat

1 | 3 hours ago

Well he isn’t worth Herro right now either

heat_fan_ | Raptors

33 | 7 hours ago

I would take Heero over Ja right now

thisisjustascreename | Bulls

12 | 6 hours ago

Lowe is accidentally leaving out the multiple Memphis firsts, right?

clear831 | Heat

1 | 3 hours ago

For real. Ja isn’t worth Herro

Sebruhoni | Heat

12 | 7 hours ago

What an awful fucking take from Lowe. Morant is not worth more than Trae, and Trae only was worth salary filler and a role player.

WzrdKelly10 | Hawks

12 | 6 hours ago

I’m not even a Herro guy but trading him for a worst shooter + defender with Ja just seems crazy to me

Puzzleheaded_Tea521 | Knicks

10 | 7 hours ago

Yeah Ja is getting exactly what Trae got. An old player on their last NBA contract. Das it.

RRJC10 | Raptors

9 | 6 hours ago

He should get less. Trae is flat out better and way less problematic.

Papamoon0327

10 | 7 hours ago

If I was Memphis I would absolutely take Herro and then head to the draft or offseason solely looking for a PG

BabyBearBjorns | Grizzlies

1 | 3 hours ago

Pretty much. Herro isnt under a long term deal. So if we trade Ja, we’re drafting a PG.

Wouldnt be shocked if we try to flip Herro to a contender if we embrace a full rebuild.

John_Doughgetta | Mavericks

8 | 6 hours ago

Ja Morant under Pat Riley and Eric Spoelstra sounds like a bad idea for me.

reliabletinman | MEM

1 | 4 hours ago

Right, I don’t know why Lowe thinks Ja will suddenly care about basketball after being traded to a team that will be even harder on him than Memphis.

puppa_bear | Heat

1 | an hour ago

I don’t think he does. He said he doesn’t sense much interest from the Heat. If we can get him at a low price, then fine, otherwise we’ll keep shopping elsewhere.

As others have said: Herro has more value than Ja right now. I would the surprised if they’re using Herro to see if they can get something more in the deal: Santi or a 1st.

fuzzywuzzypete

5 | 5 hours ago

i’d much rather have Herro

Random0cassions | Warriors

5 | 6 hours ago

Losing Wiggs and Jacquez would cripple their team. The heat have no wings on their level and Norm or Herro cannot play 3 to save their lives

jcheeseball | Heat

4 | 7 hours ago

Don’t pay attention to the fake trade suggestions those are just outside opinion on what limited amount they’ve seen the team. I wonder if we being the HOT team means more about randoms just talking about us or if there is any organizational talk actually happening.

egregious888 | Heat

5 | 6 hours ago

9 times out of 10, trade talk with us is just people outside the organization spitballing potential packages. The front office hardly ever talks to the natural media during the season

SmellDesperate6373

5 | 6 hours ago

Herro even is just a better player than Morant at this point, I’m not sure why the Heat do that.

Look past the name and Ja is a middle of the pack PG at this point with tons of availability issues and a game heavily reliant on athleticism.

Proof-Umpire-7718 | Lakers

4 | 6 hours ago

He’s regressed to Trae Young value due to his injury issues and decline in shooting and effectiveness when driving.

Confident_Pear_8303

5 | 6 hours ago

His value should be lower. Injured more. Less efficient. Inferior passer/playmaker. Slightly better defender. Total dud off court. More yrs on contract. Should be Rozier and Herro for Morant, KCP and a 1st. Yeah Grizzlies should attach a 1st to get off Morant and KCP’s contracts.

PebblyJackGlasscock

2 | 6 hours ago

Not enough fans in this thread understand that Morant is one bad decision / moment from a season-long suspension.

Rozier is a viable name to float in return: he’s done in the League and is nothing but bad headlines and paychecks.

It has nothing to do with Morant’s play. His lack of trade value is entirely about his gun problems.

FriendshipBest9151

1 | 4 hours ago

Serious question

What would that trade look like if it was less value than the trae deal?

Confident_Pear_8303

1 | 3 hours ago

Just what I said…at least. And maybe another draft pick.

FriendshipBest9151

1 | 2 hours ago

Whoops

I think I replied to the wrong comment.

clear831 | Heat

1 | 3 hours ago

Rozier, Fontecchio and Jovic lol

2020IsANightmare

4 | 6 hours ago

We just saw this with Trae.

There’s not a market for rapidly declining small PGs that can’t defend.

Like with Young, I don’t really think Memphis gets a first in return.

Possesonnbroadway

4 | 5 hours ago

Herro for Ja straight-up is a win for the Grizz. Herro shoots 3

FiveDollarShake | Raptors

4 | 4 hours ago

Herro being really underrated here or am I tripping? I wouldn’t give away Herro for Morant at all.

clear831 | Heat

1 | 3 hours ago

It’s been an hour since you commented, looks like people think Herro > Ja now

iDareToDream | Raptors

4 | 7 hours ago

Is ‘Herro + picks’ the new iteration of ‘Cavs 8th pick + TT + Shump’ meme?

This feels Miami’s only package any time they’re rumored to be interested in a trade.

Nuclearsunburn | Heat

3 | 6 hours ago

Yeah and in this case it’s too much

BernardoDeGalvez | Lakers

3 | 6 hours ago

Pat Riley would suffer a collapse at his age when he realizes he can’t tame Ja

devereaux | Bucks

2 | 7 hours ago

Does anyone really even want Morant at this point? There’s no way Memphis is going to get some great return

Emergency-Ad280 | Mavericks

2 | 6 hours ago

Morant in the city of Miami would be a disaster off the court. I don’t see their front office thinking he’s gonna buy in to the heat culture.

RDomination

2 | 6 hours ago

Ja will be traded for peanuts like Trae Young

EdCP | Mavericks

2 | 6 hours ago

Somewhat unrelated. Did Zach become really grumpy since he joined The Ringer or is it just me? I just can’t get through a whole episode anymore

Champagnesoda | LAL

2 | 5 hours ago

I don’t really like that trade for either team lol. Idk why people pretend herro isn’t good. It’s basically Miami saying they’d rather overpay Ja than overpay herro and Memphis saying the opposite.

rapelbaum | Heat

2 | 5 hours ago

My trade is scary + 2rd + plus 2bags of chips + family ticket to seaquarium for Ja Morant

RyenStarr9

2 | 4 hours ago

lol Miami is always in these trade talks and nothing ever happens

MundaneExtension3195

2 | 4 hours ago

Is Zach Lowe Show not on youtube anymore, I dont see an episode?

Fun-Grab-9337 | Trail Blazers

2 | 4 hours ago

Ja is gonna wild out in a place like Miami terrible destination choice for a reclamation. Please trade him there for Herro lol.

NbaAndMusic | NBA

2 | 3 hours ago

they lose the trade easy if they move wiggins or herro for him

icewill36

2 | 3 hours ago

Doesn’t miami run the same offense memphis does, that Ja hates?

alfredisonfire | Heat

2 | 3 hours ago

They are smoking if they think they getting more than Rozier and Fontechio 😂

Meddy020

1 | 6 hours ago

Hero would be miserable in Memphis , he needs that Miami life lol

LezbianaGrande | Knicks

2 | 6 hours ago

And Ja in Miami sounds like another round of breaking news waiting to happen lol

Summonaconjurer | Suns

1 | 6 hours ago

Richard Jefferson is still the best, laughing immediately at that fake trade.

WooTerry | Thunder

0 | 6 hours ago

We should be asking Lowe what’s HE’S smoking

dub-fresh | Raptors

1 | 5 hours ago

He ain’t coming to the Raptors. Can’t own a pistol in Canada

CMYGQZ | Grizzlies

1 | an hour ago

if we’re getting no picks, just fucking keep Ja. I’d throw up if we only got Herro.

axecalibur | CHI

1 | 26 minutes ago

Dude is breaking down fake trades? This is garbage content.

AdministrationNo312 | San Francisco Warriors

0 | 6 hours ago

If I were the Kings, I would jump on this. They have a couple of young players that could entice the Grizz plus their draft picks are valuable. Buy low for an all-star. It has risks, but if they can get JA for a penny of a dollar, then they have to pull the trigger. They need talent in the worst way.

ThyDoctor | Supersonics

0 | 5 hours ago

Not even the Dame Package for Morant?

Least_Post_6353

-1 | 7 hours ago

Heat are in a weird spot because they only need one of Powell or Herro on this roster. Powell’s playing better but is towards the end of his career.

They need to trade one just to get rid of the logjam and shake things up and obviously other teams would rather have the player with more years/potential (despite Herro’s injuries this season).

A trade for Morant centered around Herro would make sense for Miami.

julstar23

5 | 7 hours ago

Not when ja is a headache of a player .The heat have been through hell last year with Jimmy.

Least_Post_6353

-1 | 7 hours ago

Shaq and LeBron and Jimmy were all kind of headaches as players - definitely not a reason Riley would pass on high end talent if the opportunity arises.

Worth a shot if it wouldn’t cost much in assets.

DasOptions | Heat

13 | 6 hours ago

You can’t just throw names like Jimmy, LeBron, Shaq and try to lump Ja with them.

Least_Post_6353

0 | 6 hours ago

How not?

Shaq and Jimmy were so problematic that they forced trades and LeBron was such a diva that he left for nothing without so much as a heads up.

DasOptions | Heat

7 | 6 hours ago

Because they are significantly more talented. Taking in their headaches was worth it.

julstar23

2 | 7 hours ago

Ja is nit shaq or LeBron though

Least_Post_6353

2 | 7 hours ago

Ja wouldn’t cost the entire core or entire draft stock like Shaq or LeBron though. Just Herro and a couple unproven young players thrown in.

julstar23

1 | 6 hours ago

It would cost spo his sanity though lol.After the season of hell Jimmy put him through .He probably needs a break from problematic situations lol

Least_Post_6353

0 | 6 hours ago

Haha, I’d sacrifice Spo’s remaining hair for just a shot at turning Ja around though. Beats running it back with a team that can’t contend - Herro/Bam/Ware core isn’t enough.

julstar23

2 | 6 hours ago

You gotta ask if ja can be turned around though.The heat can’t fix everybody they have to want to be fixed first lol.

THUNDER-GUN04 | Nuggets

1 | 6 hours ago

Key words there would be “high end talent” were at the point where Ja had been good for like a season and a half. He can’t be a headcase AND meh.

Least_Post_6353

1 | 6 hours ago

True, ‘potential’ is a better description.

julstar23

1 | 6 hours ago

He has to want to change and be on his best behavior .Potential means nothing if his approach doesn’t change

shinshikaizer

0 | 5 hours ago

Not sure if there’s any potential left when his PPG, APG, RPG and FG% have all gone down year after year in the playoffs since 2022 barring the year the Grizz didn’t make it at all. At this point, he might just be regressing or in decline.

Least_Post_6353

1 | 5 hours ago

Yea maybe not - and he has a huge reliance on athleticism around the rim to be effective which is an awful formula.

Even so - Bam and Herro aren’t going anywhere so why not roll the dice? I’m missing the downside of the Heat trying - would only be the 2026 season until he’d be massive cap relief in a trade.

Maybe it doesn’t work but he’s not dragging the franchise down. Seems like a no-brainer to flip Herro and other young pieces to see how it goes.

Miami can’t re-sign both Herro and Powell anyway and frankly Powell is playing better.

shinshikaizer

1 | 5 hours ago

Powell is also 32; he’s just about at the tail end of his athletic prime. Keeping him over Herro seems unwise unless you have confidence that his younger replacement is already on the roster—trying to draft one or pick one up in free agency is a crapshoot for multiple reasons—and you definitely don’t flip multiple young pieces with potential for a headcase player who is reliant on their athleticism but might be losing said athleticism, and if they don’t have potential, then all you’re doing is trading bad salary for bad salary.

If you truly believe Bam and Herro aren’t going anywhere, that’s fine, but then you should almost certainly be looking to blow up the team, not trade for a headcase who might be in decline. Flip Bam and Herro for assets and picks, bottom out and try to find your new starters in the ‘26, ‘28 and ‘29 drafts, not give up assets for a rental for a guy who is almost certainly not going to get any better than he is now and is more than likely on the downswing. You may think the Heat might be buying low on Ja, but that doesn’t mean his value can’t go even lower, and if you think the Heat can rent him for a year and flip him as an expiring the following year, you’re essentially saying the team will be taking on bad contracts for picks, which means the team is rebuilding, in which case, why not just pull the trigger and blow it up now instead of wasting an off-season?

Least_Post_6353

1 | 5 hours ago

Agreed on Powell’s age/prospect, it’s just that at this point we know Herro and Bam can’t contend and switching it up doesn’t feel like risking anything.

Also think you’re right that flipping Bam and everyone else for a rebuild is the best option, but that’s not happening as long as Riley’s in charge.

shinshikaizer

1 | 4 hours ago

Also think you’re right that flipping Bam and everyone else for a rebuild is the best option, but that’s not happening as long as Riley’s in charge.

In that case, Riley’s failing in his fiduciary responsibility as the team’s president to take the longer view over short term gain. He’s basically bulletproof in Miami; at this point, he shouldn’t be chasing fleeting immediate success, when long-term success with a little bit of pain right now would be better for the team’s long term prospects.

Unless they hit with every single one of their draft picks and unsentimentally trade their players at peak value for more picks that they also hit on, every NBA team will eventually have to blow it up and undergo a rebuilding phase, and refusing to do so only delays the inevitable and makes the eventual rebuild take longer, and that’s where the Heat are right now, in my opinion. It’d be better to blow it up now while Bam and Herro still have value and the ‘26 draft class is apparently super loaded, than to wait a year or two and find themselves rebuilding when the draft is thin.

julstar23

0 | 6 hours ago

I think the behind the scenes stuff with Jimmy over the years has scared them off taking on situations like that.Shaq brought them a ring and they went to the finals with Jimmy. Slightly different situations

Awanderingleaf

1 | 6 hours ago

The problem is you get Morant which is like taking a nuke and placing it in the locker room and watching it go off while convincing yourself you did the right thing.

Least_Post_6353

1 | 6 hours ago

Don’t mind this version of the Heat getting nuked though - Bam/Herro isn’t going anywhere. Needs to be nuked one way or another.

Awanderingleaf

2 | 6 hours ago

Sure, trade them, just not for a dude who absolutely can take the toxicity to the next level like Morant. He isn’t going to move the needle anymore than Herro or Bam have but he sure can reverse it quite substantially.

julstar23

1 | 6 hours ago

Yea like Jimmy didn’t nuke the locker room last season let’s do it again and hope the results are different lol

Professional-Lie309

-1 | 7 hours ago

Just waive that bum.

Thongasm420 | Celtics

-1 | 7 hours ago

im telling you all, JJ had his house burned down and got LUKA! Spo gets his house burned down and gets JA: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1oq0ih3/comment/nng7iyl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

SheriffHarryBawls

-1 | 5 hours ago

For Tyler Hero it’s been years of speculation now about him and all the speculation is about him having to leave Miami metro so he can go to the middle of nowhere

garynevilleisared | Raptors

-2 | 6 hours ago

…and then Zach Lowe took his mask off revealing that he was in fact Pat Riley!

DunkingZBO | Grizzlies

-5 | 5 hours ago

I have a feeling that Morants value around the league and GMs is actually higher than what everyone on Reddit thinks. Not saying he goes for a lot, and this is obviously wishful thinking, but I’d take Herro for him.

birdseye-maple | Warriors

3 | 5 hours ago

Ya you will never get someone as good as Herro though. Maybe the kings do something stupid and throw a pick though

DunkingZBO | Grizzlies

-1 | 5 hours ago

Then I just wouldn’t trade him? I don’t get why everyone thinks we’re so desperate to trade him. All the reports are that they are open to listening to offers. If the offers are shit then why trade him at this stage

birdseye-maple | Warriors

3 | 5 hours ago

Definitely a chance Memphis tries to rehab his value, but the issue is how little Ja plays

Zach Lowe on Ja Morant suitors: “Miami has been the hot team. I saw some fake trade where it was like Wiggins + Jaquez + 2 first round picks, and I was like ‘what are you smoking?’ The Miami trade is more like Herro + dead money + not much more than that.”