[Highlight] Clowney Jumps 4 Feet into Jaren Jackson Jr and is Awarded a 3 Shot Foul
I hate this rule
It’s a good rule just poorly implemented. When it was made it didn’t take into account that players would start to abuse it by jumping forward/kicking their legs forward. I think it would be pretty simple to adjust the rule to make it so when a player takes the jump shot, a certain area around where he jumps from is off limits. If he leaves this area, no foul
The frustrating thing is that they said they would call offensive fouls if the shooter kicks out or jumps into the defender, but then they just said “nah, it’s good head to the foul line.”
One of a handful of examples of good rules that they just don’t enforce the way they say they will, making a good rule into a bullshit one
I thought I remembered that being a rule they were going to implement. That other comment had me thinking it was some sort of fever dream about a league that cared what kind of product it showcased.
As with so many issues in the NBA at present, the problem isn’t really with the rule itself, it’s the implementation by the officials that’s the problem. Call this play correctly and there’s nothing wrong with the rule - it’s either a no-call or a foul called on the shooter.
Refs need to learn to swallow their whistle. If the shot wasn’t affected and clearly no one seems to be doing anything intentional and also there is no player laying on the ground holding his ankle. Play on. Over officiating is bad officiating
The rule itself is to prevent injury, not because it affects the shot. Still sucks when it is abused like this m
They will after like 8 years
It’s not about calling it when it doesn’t happen it’s called to prevent it from happening
How much landing zone do you want exactly? Because this one shouldn’t be called
I’m not OP but I believe they’re saying it should be called against the shooter to prevent them from kicking out into the defender’s space, not that it should be called against JJJ.
I agree that over-officiating is a problem, but the way to avoid that problem in this instance is to consistently call this as an offensive foul until players stop doing it. It’s clearly not a natural shooting motion, it’s shooters abusing a poorly implemented rule to gain an unfair adavantage (and in the process undermining the rule which is in place for their own safety). If refs called it every single time it happened, every single game across the league, consistently, there would be some ugly games for a few weeks but this play would go away as quickly as it was adopted. Once players stopped gaining an advantage from it there would be no reason to keep doing it.
I just think this is a no call. If an offensive player wants to throw his own ankle out there like that.. more power to him. But no whistle. I don’t think players would do that unless they are awarded . Which he was here when he shouldn’t.
I’m not against that either. I think calling it an offensive foul would get the message across quicker than just waiting for players to give up thanks to no-calls, but either way, the key aspect would be consistency across all officials and all games. As long as there’s a chance of this bs play winning you 3 cheap fouls it will continue to be a problem.
It just comes down to competency from the refs. But I hate hard fast rules because there does have to be nuancy in refs in the NBA. Because shit like this happens. We all know it when we see it
They were going to call it an offensive foul for jumping into the defender or kicking their legs out. It lasted all of like 2 games.
If the offensive player is jumping forward and the defensive player stays in his spot, I don’t care if the shooter breaks his ankle - it’s not a foul. Is the defender supposed to know the shooter’s bullshit “natural shooting motion” and know he needs to vacate the area, stat? But you see that bullshit called on the defense several times a night.
Kicking legs forward on a jump shot a la Reggie Miller is an offensive foul. It’s up to the refs to call it.
“unnatural shooting motion” is supposed to be an offensive foul. The officiating is just garbage
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It is more complicated than that though. JJJ moves his feet during the shooter’s motion here, he just moves them further away. Would that be a foul under your interpretation? The rule is fine as is, it’s the refs implementation of it that’s terrible.
NBA refs make it easy to be taken advantage of. Doesn’t matter what the rule is. Once a player figures out how to fool the refs, everyone else will do it too and the refs will continue to fall for it. NBA really needs to do something about officiating cause it’s embarrassingly bad
I think it would be pretty simple to adjust the rule to make it so when a player takes the jump shot, a certain area around where he jumps from is off limits. If he leaves this area, no foul
This is literally already the rule. If you jump forward to land on a defender, it’s supposed to be not a foul. Unless the defender also moved into that spot after the offensive player left their feet, and the distance traveled is considered a “natural shooting motion.”
JJJ didn’t move forward at all, one foot stayed literally planted on the floor and he pulled his other foot back. This is just a blatantly incorrect call on the floor.
And this example should fit into this area. This is a normal jump shot. Very few shooters, especially off of movement, naturally jump “straight up and down” on 3s. Even stationary corner 3s dudes will land a little in front of where they start.
jjj contested the shot standing ~3 feet away and even brought his leading foot backwards to give clowney more space to land. this is as fair a contest a defender can give someone unless you want players to be allowed to shoot completely uncontested.
No way man. He was running to his right, his momentum would have naturally faded right but he was intentionally seeking contact here IMO.
https://imgur.com/a/qCr7L5P
If you aren’t allowed to contest from that distance you might as well just not allow defense at all
That’s exactly how Adam Silver has transformed the game.
This is the mentality the NBA is looking for in referees.
YOU’RE HIRED.
I hate it with a passion.
i prefer to think this is just a bad call. defender didn’t stick his foot forward
I can understand the landing zone rule when the defensive player jumps into the offensive player.
But when the offensive player jumps into the defensive player? The way this rule is being enforced is ridiculous and nonsensical.
It’s also dumb because it’s only on 3 point attempts. Undercut someone driving to the rim? No foul. It’s just a dumb rule.
If they called this the same across the court, literally 75% of mid-range shots would be called for a foul since those are guarded so much closer.
Yes it is. If you don’t allow someone to land on a layup you’re getting called for a foul
Can you show me a single clip of this being called on a layup? Legitimately, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPIDoqalEf8
Like this isn’t a foul, but the OP’s clip is? The rule is dumb.
Shoutout to when future Grizz legend Koloko undercut current (at least, at the time) Grizz legend Ja on a fast break like a year or two, injured him and got no foul called lol
https://youtu.be/tIAgyvOtZMQ?si=o0j_z5Dk-7FdGRIZ
It happened in a Lakers game recently
Jake Laravia got an and-1 from it
I’m not doing homework right now. I play and coach basketball. I’ve seen it called. I’ve had it called on me. You obviously have to let a player land it doesn’t matter if it’s a layup or a jumper. You see shooting fouls called all the time where it was clean up top but they fouled them down low by walking into their body and denying a landing. Refs even have a signal for it
Also the refs called a foul in that clip?
While you’re right about the clip (That was off memory). I don’t think you can find a clip of this being called on a layup. Literally any time a defender vertically challenges a layup it would be called since they are in their landing space.
Have you ever played basketball? Go play basketball with refs and don’t let players land on layups and see what happens. How is this even a conversation lol.
And no, that’s not how verticality works. FIBA and NBA rulebooks are free to read
I know that’s not how it works, because it’s not called the same.
JJJ doesn’t move into clowney’s space and is called for the foul. If this was called the same in the RA any time a defender challenged the offensive player at the rim would be a foul.
Point
Your head
Buddy you’re sending me clips that you haven’t even watched. I’m done arguing with people who are clueless. Play the sport and get back to me
lmao. Good points
https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/jalen-brunson-proposes-a-new-nba-rule
Jalen Brunson an NBA player seems to agree with me. I think he knows a bit more than some random redditor with a Raptors flair, but go off
moron
Nooo… That Nets vs Bucks playoff game when Kyrie landed on Giannis’ foot when he was landing after a layup. Nothing was whistled. Kyrie broke his ankle. No foul, technical, nor flagrant.
Sounds like a missed call
This is really hard to “fix” though. The shooter here is running full speed into a shot. It doesn’t look like he’s hunting the foul but had a fairly normal shooting motion which brings him into a stationary defender.
If you want to keep the rule of shooters needing a landing space (which i think is really important) you need to make some sort of standardisation of how far in front of the point they take off they is protected.
The rule becomes quite complicated and then a lot of guys need to completely change their shooting motion.
I agree it’s a bit over the top in items current implementation but man it’s hard to refine without going too far in either direction.
the shooter here is planted, feet set, and not in motion by the time the shot gets let off.
Just cause they won’t get the foul doesn’t mean they can’t move forward on their shot, it’ll just be a no-call like it used to be
I’m not giving JJJ the benefit of the doubt on avoiding unnecessary contact
the guy has terrible body control, my dude is fucking ball watching turned 180 degrees around before clowney even lands while in his space, this is not the play to be mad about.
https://youtu.be/UC4h-D_LGQc?t=499
this is relatively normal for quick stepping into a deep 3 because your torso is closer to the line than your feet, and stabilizing your upper body causes them to swing.
Holy exaggeration Batman
This is a perfectly normal looking jump shot lol
Right lol. Two things can be true: the call is absolutely egregious and should have been NO CALL and this is completely normal for shooters to swing their momentum forward as they walk into a shot. If clowney turns and ankle, that’s his fault for having those jumper mechanics because JJJ doesn’t even move on close out.
Long story short: swallow the god damn whistle
It certainly isn’t as egregious as some of the jumps forward we’ve seen, but I still don’t think that’s a foul.
The jump forward against Luka was far more egregious
3 feet?
A foot?
https://imgur.com/nkmQdFx
It’s definitely closer to 3 feet than it is a foot.
Time to pull the rule
Its a good rule but, like a lot of other rules in the NBA, is poorly implemented.
Maybe if the refs weren’t such dummy’s, we’d be able to keep good rules
Players getting rewarded for not only risking their own health (fine if they want to take the chance) but that of the opponents they are landing on (really reprehensible).
Yeah lol, just jumping into a guy’s ankle with your ankle is some other shit.
It’s so fucking dumb too because you can so easily get yourself injured.
If that jump is 4 feet my dick is 6 inches
2 of the feet are forward, the other two are attached to his legs
Weird how that’s almost exactly like me, except in inches
The rule should be automatically inapplicable if the defender is still within the 3 pt line.
Such an obvious decision. If the defender doesn’t cross the 3 point line there should be no way of getting a foul call down low for a 3 point shot.
NBA is unwatchable now.
It makes sense to protect landing zones. But your landing zone is definitely not 4 feat all around you. So many people whine that oh you can’t shoot without jumping forward 3ft which is complete garbage.
Not saying it needs to switch to offensive fouls but landing zone is the space you jump from and nowhere else.
The NBA has to do something about this man. This rule is just another in the long list of rules being exploited on offense. We’ve got guys trying to land on feet on purpose
I don’t think he intentionally did it, seems like a perfectly normal shooting motion. The rule is just dumb.
Dude that is not a normal shooting motion. His momentum was going right, it would have been natural for him to continuing fading right. But he very intentionally jumps forward instead and even kicks his foot further out seeking contact. It might be natural to jump a tiny bit forward, but not even close to that far
Except every basketball player is taught from a young age not to shoot fading to the right unless you absolutely have to.
I don’t think he intentionally did it, seems like a perfectly normal shooting motion.
You’ve been fooled. He’s intentionally hunting for that foul and players throughout the league are doing the same thing.
How is it dumb? Remember when patchulia ended Kawhi’s season because he stepped under him on a shot.? Obv JJJ didn’t do what patchulia did here but still it’s a dangerous play
Did you watch the clip? Maybe if they changed the rule to the player landing in the cylinder where the player started their jump shot or something. It’s also dumb because it’s exclusively called on 3-point shots. Undercut someone driving for a layup or drunk. No foul.
The current rule just incentives players to adjust their shooting form to take up as much space as possible.
100%. You’re entitled to your space sure, and even entitled to the space in front of you if it is empty when you jump, but he jumped into a space that was already occupied when he took his shot.
Not sure why you’re replying to me when I said it was clear it was a natural shooting motion
Oh shit my bad I responded to the wrong person
He jumped into JJJ though. So it’s dangerous because JJJ didn’t move for him?
That’s a natural shooting motion… he’s running at speed curling into the shot, he’s not going to go straight up and straight down, that’s not how physics work… his jumpshot looked completely natural, JJJ didn’t do anything egregious either but it just so happened his foot was under the landing space.. it’s a foul. It’s really easy to tell who on this sub actually watches basketball and who doesn’t holy shit. There’s also a clear difference between a natural leg kick out vs one that’s clearly trying to draw contact.
If your natural shooting motion is to jump forward and stick your right foot out, while moving to the right, you need to fix that, because it ain’t right.
He’s curling off a screen, it’s not a set shot…maybe he was a little off balance, idk what’s so hard to understand here, he jumped forward a bit but it’s not unnatural and he’s not jumping into JJJ, if yall don’t understand basketball just say that
You said JJJ made a dangerous play, that’s what I don’t understand. Clowney extended HIS foot INTO JJJ’s position. Then JJJ got a foul for NOT MOVING. If you don’t understand the problem here, you’re blinded by Shai or something. Does he have the leg control of Draymond or something? Just kicks out and can’t help it?
No, I said it’s a dangerous play when someone steps under a shooter… and you’re bringing up SGA… like I said before learn basketball, your just another IG/tik tok watching fan, and that’s cool but stop acting like you know ball, some player naturally kicks their legs out when they shoot if you knew ball you’d know that
I have never had a tiktok account, and I haven’t logged into instagram in probably a decade. I watched this entire game, and the last game we played. Along with most of every Grizzlies game in the last 20 years.
I understand basketball just fine, just because you live and breathe it doesn’t mean other people can’t understand when a call is bullshit. The dude stuck his foot out and landed on a player that wasn’t moving. JJJ didn’t step under him. JJJ wasn’t in his landing area. Clowney made it his landing area by sticking his foot out, that’s what we’re all talking about here. Stop trying to defend this bullshit, you gain literally nothing from it.
This is the league yall wanted.
Come on OP….
It’s a fairly normal looking jump shot. His feet kick out slightly, and I’m not saying I love this being a foul, but this is a silly thing to complain about and saying he jumps four feet out makes me think you need some glasses.
I actually do need glasses
but this is obviously not how the rule was intended or meant to be applied. Nor is this a one-off situation. We see guys jumping forward trying to bait calls all the time now
The rule was implemented for safety. Whether it’s stopping the Zaza special that is straight up a dirty play, or just defenders not caring about how close they are to another player. This play is not egregious, I don’t think it’s a situation where the refs have to begrudgingly call a foul…but it’s also in the grey area (I probably would just not call anything). JJJ basically didn’t jump or move, and could have attempted to slightly alter his feet to avoid contact. He didn’t.
If you’re advocating for his defense here to be a foul in any way, we might as well pack the league up. The defender in good position shouldn’t have to get out of the way of a jumpshooter jumping into them.
stole this from someone else in the thread
I feel like you are only reading half of what I said. I personally wouldn’t call it a foul. I also think it’s in a grey area and the ref could easily not call it a foul. But, it’s also true that JJJ just kind of stood there and made no attempt to move (barely tried to effect the shot) so when contact is made on a jump shot that isn’t super exaggerated I can’t get upset either.
What are we even doing?
Ruining the game
The fuck JJJ supposed to do here? He just contested and jumped in place. Stupida fucking game.
Disgusting
JJJ actually moved BACKWARDS from when the guy first jumped and still got called for the foul. That’s incredible
How can you get a foul and shoot three free throws when your foot lands a foot under the 3 point line?
Because it’s counted as a 3 based on where your foot is behind on jump?
Yeah I know that’s how a three is determined. But how is it a foul if you jump from a foot or more outside the three point line and land on a guy a solid foot inside the line. That shouldn’t be a foul, guy jumped waaaay forward
As I mentioned elsewhere in thread, players have natural shooting motions that incorporate landing forward of where they started. How big that landing area is is up for some debate, but this one looks natural to me.
Even before the shot, the offense set an illegal moving screen.
I can’t tell from these replays, but are we sure the foul wasn’t up top on the arm/wrist?
You’re right to point this out and on the second angle it sure looks like JJJ could have hit his shooting wrist, which was the annual refs/NBA off season “rule of focus” they were going to start calling more this season. Clowney also held his hand up like there was wrist contact (although he could have also been just as easily trying to sell the ref on calling it)
The rule was only meant to apply to “secondary” actions, a la intentionally slapping someone’s wrist. JJJ is not moving to create contact after the shot (or during). His hand goes up and stays up. I don’t know what any secondary action could possibly be
Any contact is after the shot and extremely marginal
https://streamable.com/wcjgys rulebook
So the defender must run away from the shooter? What are we doing NBA?
Trash ass league
No other sport is killing their game quicker than the NBA right now
Foul merchant era
If you don’t like this, you don’t like nba basketball
This sport is unwatchable.
That’s not 4’
It’s a dumb rule but necessary because of assholes like Bruce Bowen. Having said that the refs need to be better and realize who is jumping into who. This one is just ridiculous
I would not trust you to measure anything by eye
Dumbest shit. Can’t imagine if they call this shit in an important game in the playoffs. Regardless of importance, they shouldn’t call this.
Adam Silver’s MNBA
Nba lacks a lot of common sense man. Like wtf are we doing here…
The nba has completely ruined the game with this shit.
How have they ignored blatant flopping and foul baiting for so long ?
They should call this the same way they call the kickout, name it something like “exaggerated landing”. IMO it should also be called reckless by the offensive player and be a technical foul, but I doubt the NBA does something like that.
This was bad, JJJ was standing still before and after the shooting motion.
the SGA special
This is getting ridiculous.
NBA is so trash these days
The nba is unwatchable garbage.
Id be in the face of the ref who called it and going off until I got ejected. If youre gonna ref the game like you have money on the line, and treat rules like your own personal choices, im not going to respect your authority in the game
This is the worst call i’ve ever seen on that rule. Only way to defend a three shot is apparently to be 3 meters away.. Maybe the best way is just to make funny faces and sounds..
#OH, ED MALLOY!!
True mvp
normal jumpshot..
Should’ve been a no-call but that’s a pretty normal looking jumper and the “foul” occurs while JJJ has his head turned at the very end of the play when he swings his hips in and leans back. It’s just a weird and difficult rule to enforce when you have 2 guys who are nearly 7 feet tall running off screens for jumpers and contesting. Again, I would prefer a no-call but I feel some people are watching a totally different clip.
this is his landing position on a totally uncontested, spot up 3 without any motion. He shoots this way all the time, idk.
Modern NBA
Garrison Mathew’s is the GOAT at this.Theres a whole compilation on YT of him jumping almost 5 feet forward.
Notice the Fanduel label in the screen wipe graphics…
This is why you always question “player safety” rules and don’t just accept them because of the label. Not good in any way.
I have no problem with this whatsoever.
This one isn’t that bad and I can see it called either way. But neither player is doing anything intentional or wrong.
Clowney isn’t kicking out his legs or trying to land at an unnatural 45% angle.
Jackson doesn’t jump into Clowney’s landing zone nor is he trying to crowd him.
Unfortunately due to the height of Clowney’s jump he ends up landing further inside the line than expected. Jackson re-positioned right foot (which is well inside the 3pt line) ends up making contact with Clowney’s slightly forward right leg.
I can see the call being incidental contact or a foul.
Flair checks out
Title is an over exaggeration but should have been foul
Bucks did this to win the game the other day. They need to change the fact that this is considered a foul
As with most things, you can thank Zaza Pachulia for that