petrosteve

2179 | 14 hours ago

Most Nuggets fans have already accepted he wont win it

dutchfromsubway | Raptors

904 | 14 hours ago

Even if there isn’t a 65 game limit, how tf are people expecting him to overcome this gap when he’s missing min a month

-xXxMangoxXx- | Raptors

584 | 14 hours ago

Yeah exactly. If shai is healthy for the rest of the year, and jokic plays like 60 games while the thunder are still by far the best team, why wouldnt shai win?

LurkerFailsLurking | Nuggets

115 | 14 hours ago

Because the way it was going, the Thunder weren’t looking like the best team “by far” anymore. They were still the best, but not by nearly as much as they seemed 3 weeks ago.

Parallel-Quality

468 | 13 hours ago

How did we get to a point where people think SGA has to set the NBA wins record to win the MVP?

He’s having the most efficienct scoring season by a guard in NBA history.

He’s 7th in TS% in the entire NBA (10 PPG minimum). He’s right next to Rudy Gobert. Ahead of Giannis and Zach Edey. As a guard.

He’s leading the NBA in well regarded advanced analytics like EPM and LEBRON.

He’s also leading the NBA in total points scored this season and most points scored in the clutch.

His individual performance alone is more than enough to earn him the MVP.

Scatteredbrain | Knicks

188 | 12 hours ago

lol because people just don’t like him. that’s why. it could be the foul baiting i’m not sure but i don’t agree with it. people like jokic way more and so does the media

shai isn’t very popular even tho he is really really good

SirKuzan | Spurs

99 | 11 hours ago

Funny you mention the foul baiting. Swear I just saw a thread saying in this past month he hasn’t gotten 10 ft in a game one time but still averaging 30+ppg. Think they said “maybe he’s just good?”

Luciolover345 | Thunder

65 | 9 hours ago

He also is the guy who gets intentionally fouled down the stretch of close games since he always has the ball in his hands and shoots technicals which bumps the numbers up which makes him being below 10 for a month pretty insane.

halfdecenttakes | Lakers

7 | 6 hours ago

Which is weird because Jokic flops constantly too lol

niles_thebutler_

5 | 8 hours ago

Jokic is white. Thats half the fucked up reason there.

LuckyCulture7

5 | 4 hours ago

People don’t like Shai because he won MVP over Jokic. That is the reason.

Jokic is a great player. Jokic fans are not great fans.

prettyboylee | Lakers

61 | 13 hours ago

Because this specific discussion is about “why shouldn’t Shai win?” not “what does he have to do to win?”

StandardElderberry94

31 | 11 hours ago

To put very simply, He was the clear 2nd choice for MVP this season. Anyone who thinks it would be blasphemous for him to win an mvp this season is hating because they think his team is too good and that he flops too much or whatever the complaints are.

My mvp if Jokic were to play 65 - Jokic

If Jokic plays less than 65-SGA

Idk why people are making such a big deal about this rule now. It’s a rule for a reason and we can’t pick and choose if and when to use it

BooksandGames23 | Nuggets

24 | 7 hours ago

Well now that jokic has gone down he has less comp. So yes he will likely win it.

But Jokic had been putting up insane games.

That’s why his individual performance didn’t get him to MVP already lmfao because someone else’s was arguably better.

Not hard to understand.

Global-Fee3375

20 | 13 hours ago

People don’t care about the facts. They just want their player to win. I get it but when you look from afar it’s pretty clear who should be the MVP.

Commercial-Chance561

11 | 13 hours ago

All this while playing minimal 4th quarters

dustinthegreat | Slovenia

53 | 13 hours ago

Holly recency bias. We’re only a month removed from the thunder being like 25-2 or something stupid. They’re still likely to be the best team in the West by seasons end.

Spemanz92 | Thunder

19 | 11 hours ago

OKC has a 5+ loss gap on pretty much any team and their netrating is double the netrating of all teams in the league besides the nuggets(just barely) and the rockets (13.8 vs 8).

Thats still a giant gap

-xXxMangoxXx- | Raptors

10 | 14 hours ago

One bad stretch while integrating a player back from an injury while also missing a ton of open 3s doesn’t change they’re still an elite team. To be clear I think in a 7 game series the nuggets and spurs can both beat the thunder, but they’re still going to rack up a lot more wins than the nuggets with Jokic hurt. If jokic didn’t get hurt this would be another story, but 15-20 games without Jokic will widen the gap in wins a lot.

jumpman0035 | OKC

9 | 13 hours ago

Yeah we are still comfortably in first and are like top5 in injuries this year I think.

Parallel-Quality

12 | 13 hours ago

The Thunder are tied for second in the league in most man games lost to injury.

The rest of the top 5 are all currently sitting outside of both the playoffs and the play-ins.

kb24k

120 | 14 hours ago

I think the bigger problem is he will not be all-nba

samhit_n | Lakers

26 | 13 hours ago

Other than shortened seasons, no MVP since 1978 has won it while playing less than 65 games.

p_pio

10 | 6 hours ago

And in 1978 Portland was defending champion and with Walton were on pace for 68W while from 24 games without him won only 10 (34W pace) playing with pretty much rest of the team intact.

So it was really extreme case, more so than Jokić, or pretty much any other player, would have in any season.

bigE819 | Pacers

7 | 7 hours ago

This is why I’ve always hated the limit. People already took missed games into account.

TowerOfPowerWow

105 | 13 hours ago

I think the 65 game rule is good and I think that despite being a Jokic fan.

Personal_Yam1228

29 | 12 hours ago

I think 65 is a bit much though. Any half-serious injury and you’re done-done. And once you’re ineligible, the load balancing begins again anyway.

But at the same time, this is forcing a team like Spurs to play Wemby nightly for 20mpg instead of sitting him every other game. Embiid and Kawhi are playing. This is good.

FrancoGYFV | Cavaliers

34 | 11 hours ago

Well yes, but odds are you’d be fone-fone even without the clause. It’s not like a lot of players get an All-NBA selection playing 50 games.

Personal_Yam1228

7 | 5 hours ago

Not really the case these days imo. Lots of the best players ARE straddling the 65 game limit.

Curry went 51, 69, 5, 63, 64, 56 from 17-22 and he’s the 🐐 guard of this generation. Lebron had nearly exactly the same. Neither one had a catastrophic injury in there.

Kawhi is going bonkers this year and Harden is back, and I don’t trust either to touch 65

antelope591

7 | 4 hours ago

Harden played 70+ games the past 2 years…I get what you’re saying but he should get more respect for his durability too

dflutie | PHI

7 | 6 hours ago

That has nothing to do with the 65 game rule though. Embiid isn’t going to win any awards this season, he’s not playing because he is trying to meet that threshold

spiralism | Nuggets

42 | 11 hours ago

We’re just relieved as fuck that he’s ok. A year off from toxic mvp discourse won’t kill anyone.

MrDenver3 | Nuggets

36 | 13 hours ago

I mean it sure sucks, given the season he’s been having, but absolutely it makes sense - if you don’t play enough games, why should you be evaluated along side others who did?

I think it might feel wrong for some because the MVP award has become so tightly intertwined with status and legacy, instead of being about being the most valuable player for a given season.

Proof-Umpire-7718 | Lakers

17 | 14 hours ago

Shai’s winning it regardless assuming OKC clinch the 1 seed by a comfortable margin.

cheesecake_face | Nuggets

7 | 5 hours ago

well yeah now..

but last week when only 4 games separated the two teams, and Jok had that monster 56 point trip dub, it was Jok’s to lose.

Klaas_Huntelaar | Jazz

1710 | 14 hours ago

I promise you, people were complaining about the 65 game rule when it effected everyone else

Expensive-Buy1621 | Knicks

1214 | 14 hours ago

Lmao this sub was begging for the 65 game rule. Now it’s bad all of a sudden

rfgrunt | Nuggets

783 | 14 hours ago

This sub laments the 65 game rule as often as it defends. It’s not a monolith and it’s actively discussed.

Just bad faith narratives all around

EverGreatestxX | Knicks

207 | 14 hours ago

I know reddit is conducive to hive mind like behavior but people seriously act like an entire subreddit with millions of users can all hold the same exact opinions and those opinions will never change with time.

Dexter_Morgan_260324

22 | 9 hours ago

The goomba fallacy
https://englishinprogress.net/gen-z-slang/goomba-fallacy-explained/

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jyee1050 | Spurs

72 | 14 hours ago

Isn’t he literally Embiid’s skills trainer or is that a different guy

Rnorman3 | DEN

61 | 14 hours ago

Yes. He is embiid’s shooting coach. I’ve seen more of his tweets clowning on jokic than talking about shooting form or anything lol. I guess he decided to fully hitch his wagon to embiid or something cuz it’s sure not a great look for getting future clients

Culinaryboner | 76ers

17 | 12 hours ago

Tatum, Beal, Maxey, Haliburton, Herro. But yea probably struggles to find work

Milkmartyr | Nuggets

19 | 13 hours ago

it’s not even a skip thing because he is literally on embiid’s payroll

Jwoods4117

14 | 13 hours ago

I mean this whole post is kind of bad faith. I’m sure there jackasses on twitter acting crazy, but most Denver fans I’ve seen are just worried about winning enough games in the next month to stay in the playoff race. I haven’t really seen much narrative about how Jokic should definitely still win MVP because that’s insane. Maybe I’m tripping I don’t know.

BiovaniGernard | Cavaliers Bandwagon

88 | 14 hours ago

Goomba fallacy

dragonk30 | PHI

41 | 13 hours ago

Embiid is the most over-hated player in this sub, and he’s the main person for whom the rule came into existence. Just call the spade a spade and say this sub only cared when it gave the media a reason not to argue Embiid being eligible for any of the major awards even though his play was outstanding when he wasn’t missing large swathes of games.

AndrewHainesArt | PHI

18 | 6 hours ago

I was waiting for this because it’s true, I was wondering if this sub would acknowledge that

LuckyCulture7

5 | 4 hours ago

They will not. Acknowledging Embiid had one of the best seasons ever in 23-24 would be heresy to this sub.

Acknowledging Embiid is an all time great player would likewise be heresy.

Jokic fans are the swifties of the NBA. Mostly casual fans who hate any player that contests their chosen one. Jokic seems like a nice guy his fans suck.

bluetiges | Nuggets

34 | 14 hours ago

People were complaining about superstars sitting for no reason

birdlawyer86

24 | 14 hours ago

Could it be that different people with different opinions both comment here? Or maybe people thought it’d be a good idea and now realize the downsides. If anything being able to change your mind when presented with new information is a virtue.

Dame-in-EpstienFiles

28 | 14 hours ago

No I always thought it was dumb. The media is smart enough to not give MVP to someone who doesn’t deserve it.

There’s been like one guy win MVP without playing 65 games ever. Why can’t we just trust the media while still allowing for a potential historic exception?

Expensive-Buy1621 | Knicks

37 | 14 hours ago

Maybe you personally thought it was dumb but the overwhelming majority supported it

CoachDT | CHI

15 | 13 hours ago

I know we hate reading sources but we probably shouldnt take it as a personal attack when the guy in the tweet is actually doing a direct call out.

Panzer_I | Celtics

1331 | 14 hours ago

Is it a hot take to say I still like the 65 game rule? Because I still do

I don’t care that first team all-nba will look like a second team all-nba, I think it’s good to reward the players who play games, regardless of the circumstances.

Automatic_Gap5317

364 | 13 hours ago

I like that it forces players to play if they can play

OilOfOlaz | Celtics

85 | 7 hours ago

It also generates an incentive to play, when you are not fully healthy, cuz making all nba has an impact on your paycheck and I personally don’t like that.

soberpenguin | Nuggets

90 | 6 hours ago

Can’t have your cake and eat it too. Thats a risk every player must make to earn the big bucks.

Players get paid 51% of the TV deal. That deal is less valuable when fans are less likely to watch because they don’t know who will be playing. That will hit ad revenue for the streamers/channels and take money out of the players’ pocket in the long run.

It’s a compromise with known risks to put the best product possible out there every night.

hoopsrule44

16 | 6 hours ago

Then the answer should be removing the all nba part of the paycheck, not the other way around.

Con-D-Oriano1 | Lakers

68 | 12 hours ago

I agree with you. I like it. People who play all the time should make All-NBA. It’s also hard to be “most valuable” when you’re missing time.

sprodoe

47 | 8 hours ago

I don’t like it in practice. But I do in theory.

Too many contractual things are tied to winning awards. Players rush back to try to hit 65 (if they are close) when maybe they shouldn’t so they can hit their contractual things for money. And then reaggravate or exacerbate an issue.

Additionally, (besides MVP which is generally right even with the rule) all NBA should be a snap shot of who is the best in the league that season.

Jokic not making an all NBA team when he’s arguably the best player in the world because he only played 60 games is not encapsulating the history of the season.

Again, in theory, I love the rule. Just too many variables in the real world.

Knowledge_Haver_17

11 | 7 hours ago

I mean if you rush back just to win awards and re-injure yourself that’s kinda just on you imo.

Wrsj | Knicks

8 | 11 hours ago

I like it too, if you can’t play most of the season why took a spot of someone that was present way more. And is not like “oh Jokic is ineligible so we putting Jaxson Hayes”.

remonnoki | NBA

724 | 14 hours ago

I’m sorry, Jokić is one of my favourites, but even if he makes the cut-off and plays 65, but Shai plays all 82, and they both continue this level of production, Shai just obviously gets the MVP, rule or no rule.

Obviously matters more for the All-NBA honours

IlliniBull

207 | 14 hours ago

This is the correct answer and what everyone is fighting admitting.

Availability is an important ability. If it’s a year of 2 historical performances, but one guy plays 78 games and the other guy only plays 64, the guy who played 78 deserves it. That’s more than enough of a tie breaker.

ntpbr1

43 | 13 hours ago

Dude its not about the MVP at this point, its the All-NBA selections. There is a world where we have 4 of the top 5 players miss even the All-NBA 3rd team this season. Obviously Jokic playing 60 wouldn’t get the MVP even without the limit, but he would get in over idk his teammate Jamal Murray for the 3rd team even if he plays 75. I think its ridiculous that all of Jokic, Luka, Giannis, Wemby might miss all-nba teams altogether. And then you got guys like JDub and Lebron that will miss it, a couple guys like Ant, a small 1-2 week injury away from being at risk as well, all just because they played 60 lets say and not 65

wagerbut | Knicks

14 | 7 hours ago

For all nba it’s dumb because some dude can now get 3rd team at 66 games played

I’d still take 64 games of jokic over 66 games of whatever fringe all star by far but all nba won’t reflect tha

Ston3yy

32 | 14 hours ago

Anyone can admit that but why can’t that discretion be left up to a voter? Whether the guy averaging 30/10/10 playing 65 games is more valuable than a guy doing 30/6/5 playing 78. Shouldn’t the voter get to decide just like all other metrics?

strumthump

54 | 13 hours ago

The decision to put a minimum number of games played mostly came as a reaction from guys sitting out for load management and not showing up for the fans. MVP is one award where it is most visible but it affects all the awards.

It’s about protecting the optics of integrity of their business, not necessarily anything about taking the voice away from the MVP voters

mycoffeeiswarm | NBA

6 | 10 hours ago

These decisions aren’t made by the player.

If you’re a fan of a team with an injury prone star, and load management is shown to improve the chances of being healthy in the playoffs, wouldn’t you be pleased that your team is prioritizing health? Look at what happened to Iron Man Tatum.

Denogginizer420

26 | 12 hours ago

Part of it is because basketball loves per game stats instead of total season stats.

If we said it was the difference between like 820 assists and 500 for the season, the importance of games played would be more stark.

Temporary-Emu-691

13 | 13 hours ago

Because voters are irrational and need rules. Much like needing laws in society.

toado3

28 | 13 hours ago

Availability absolutely matters, but agree with Stonyy the voters should decide.

Shai in 75 games is likely an MVP over Jokic in 60.

But IMO Wemby is more impactful as a DPOY in 60 games then Amen or whomever is number two is in 80 games and it’s not that close. Hence the voter discretion.

mycoffeeiswarm | NBA

26 | 10 hours ago

Voters have always factored games/minutes played into their calculations. What this does is arbitrarily restricts them, so rather than having Shai #1 and Jokic #2, an incredible Jokic season won’t even be 3rd team All-NBA.

LurkerFailsLurking | Nuggets

9 | 13 hours ago

I can imagine a scenario where Jokic squeezes past the 65 game cut off and wins the MVP, but it’s pie-in-the-sky for sure. It’s pretty safe to say that SGA has it locked as long as he doesn’t get hurt too.

Civil-South-7299 | Spurs

639 | 13 hours ago

Only one player has ever won MVP playing less than 65 games, Bill Walton in 1977 with 58 games played

Moneyshot_ITF

112 | 5 hours ago

Bill Walton was a goat of a human 🥲

cbbrds25 | Trail Blazers

38 | 5 hours ago

Go Blazers

LordWemby | Spurs

33 | 5 hours ago

Someone put up a list of games played for MVPs a while back and it’s always been pretty reasonable I think. Voters naturally know that availability is the best ability when it comes to that particular award, given its nature.

I’d guess it’s a bit different for All-NBA selections.

wethebest21

448 | 14 hours ago

Jokic’s PR is truly impressive

Far_Ear9684

122 | 14 hours ago

He doesn’t even do any of it lol. He’s like the Bird of today.

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lebranflake | 76ers

108 | 14 hours ago

Slavic nations have a tradition of great propaganda

angusthermopylae

68 | 14 hours ago

You’re not wrong. The term “ethnic cleansing” was invented to avoid using the word “genocide” during the Bosnian genocide, because the UN charter requires member states to step in and stop any genocide.

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TheRealArturis

15 | 13 hours ago

The comment above was talking about how good Slavic Nations are at Propaganda Statements. Hence somebody gave an example.

Reading Comprehension went down the drain I see

VarrocksFinest

14 | 13 hours ago

That is exactly what im pointing out boy genius. We went from Jokic PR > Slavic PR > Ethnic cleansing. A pretty extreme example all in one NBA thread.

It’s like how threads about Germany devolve into nazi or Holocaust jokes in no time.

internallylinked | Hawks

42 | 14 hours ago

Slavs are loved in the US, especially Serbs. American media always portrays Slavs positively, everybody knows that

VarrocksFinest

24 | 13 hours ago

Practically every villain in every show would beg to differ

internallylinked | Hawks

10 | 9 hours ago

Well that’s the joke yeah, since people are talking about great Slavic propaganda, you’d think Slavs would be so beloved, especially since US loves white people I guess

XiaoRCT | Thunder

5 | 9 hours ago

I think he was being ironic lol

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jjgp1112

34 | 8 hours ago

It’s no coincidence that Luka and Jokic are this sub’s most beloved players for the last 5 years.

No-wait-theres-more | Celtics

8 | 8 hours ago

Don’t forget about newly crowned darling Cooper Flagg

tiofrodo | Spurs

7 | 6 hours ago

And the totally relatable that really nails this subs demographic Victor Wembanyama.

soapytama

31 | 13 hours ago

Truest thing I’ve ever seen on this sub lol

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MaxSmellerman | GSW

45 | 14 hours ago

For all nba I’ve heard this but I’ve overwhelmingly seen people say 65 games should be a limit for MVP

Giuseppe_exitplan | Magic

24 | 14 hours ago

Yeah. The people making a deal out of this are Joker haters man.

Dependent-Effect6077 | Nuggets

18 | 14 hours ago

Bucks fans in particular have an insane one-way hatred of Jokic

I get why Sixers and Thunder fans do it because Embiid/SGA have legitimately got a ton of extreme hate on this sub but Bucks fans act like Jokic is their mortal enemy when I barely know any Nuggets fans who care about posting Giannis slander at all

Giannis is literally one of the most well-liked superstars but with how Bucks fans talk you’d think the entire front page says “Jokic owns the Greek Fraud” or something like that

dusters | Bucks

23 | 14 hours ago

What are you even talking about? My man out here fighting ghosts.

chazriverstone | Knicks

19 | 14 hours ago

As a background fan that has been genuinely grateful for the ascent of both Giannis and Jokic and their respective ‘small markets’, I really don’t agree with you.

If anything, I see a lot of weirdos who hate one great player using the other as a defensive mechanism - ‘Giannis run and dunk man’/ ‘Jokic doesn’t play defense’ types. These people should just be ignored though, regardless of who they’re rooting for, because they’re idiots

Colorapt0r | Bucks

11 | 12 hours ago

Giannis is liked but flat out ignored by most nba communities especially MVP voters. 2023 mvp race not even acknowledging him still pisses me off.

ZE_HAHAHA | United States

355 | 14 hours ago

Best ability is availability

65 game rule is perfectly fine

notathrowaway75 | NBA

154 | 13 hours ago

80% of games. I just refuse to believe this is so unreasonable.

WestleyThe | SEA

16 | 12 hours ago

I agree but now im curious how does this compare to other sports?

Can you win awards in football playing 13 out of 17 games? Can you win awards in baseball playing ¹³⁰⁄₁₆₂ games? Can you in hockey in 65 games out of 82?

I don’t know 65 games seems like the perfect cut off

redbossman123

29 | 10 hours ago

Very rarely and no, for football and position players in baseball. Pitchers only pitch once every 5-6 games so that’s different but for position players, nah you can’t miss that many games

PhotographJealous292

17 | 13 hours ago

Also, if even without the rule, the media should be “smart enough” to not give someone the MVP over a player of similar quality who has played 80 games or whatever

Then the result is the same???

The significant GP gap impacts the voting anyway

Idk why people crying

Dependent-Effect6077 | Nuggets

320 | 14 hours ago

Zach Lowe last year: “I think we need to rethink the 65 game limit.”

But I’m sure Drew Hanlen the guy who was using his platform to scream about how Jokic is overrated in the Embiid MVP races is totally unbiased on this issue lol

LopsidedCry7692 | Bucks

104 | 14 hours ago

And everyone thought it was stupid. Jokic gets hurt and now opinions flip lol

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ZestycloseSweet4562

29 | 14 hours ago

same people who were celebrating when the rule got implemented so we dont have to see an injury prone big winning mvp

Gord_Board

15 | 14 hours ago

Source?

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8 | 14 hours ago

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Dependent-Effect6077 | Nuggets

11 | 14 hours ago

Again since when do random Redditors count as “the media?”

Embiid is absolutely loathed on r/nba I’m not debating that at all but that’s hardly evidence that the actual media hates Embiid

FFElite93 | 76ers

6 | 14 hours ago

Have you listened to bill Simmons lol

LurkerFailsLurking | Nuggets

58 | 14 hours ago

Whose opinion has flipped though?

KasherH | Nuggets

22 | 12 hours ago

Whose opinion has flipped? Just the people in your head you rage about but don’t exist?

PeopleCallMeSimon

13 | 13 hours ago

Yes look at this thread with +752 upvotes. Clear proof that everyone flipped opinions and are Jokic sycofants.

You are doing dangerous levels of mental gymnastics my friend, stay safe.

Constant_Charge_4528 | Bulls

7 | 11 hours ago

What opinion? I’m genuinely curious because this is the first I’m hearing of people complaining about the limit.

The only other thread on the topic is a hypothetical on SGA/Giannis/Jokic/Luka/Wemby all missing the limit which is more a fun thread than a complaint.

thegodofwine7 | Mavericks

91 | 14 hours ago

Kind of disingenuous to conflate that with an MVP race when Lowe specifically said he only wanted to rethink it in terms of third team all NBA only.

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Meehul123 | Mavericks

15 | 14 hours ago

Yea and look at the comments on that post from last year. People saying it’s dumb to change the limit but now that it’s Jokic hurt people are coming around to the change.

Bobskidat | Thunder

40 | 14 hours ago

Embiid rushed himself back from injury in 2024 because of this rule and was out for the season after hurting himself again and I don’t think people were up in arms about the 65 game rule like they are now

recollectionsmayvary | Nets

11 | 14 hours ago

Howard Beck has also hated it for like 2 years and vocally been against it since he’s been at the ringer. I’ve heard him complain about the 65 games requirement for the last 2 seasons on real ones.

LopsidedCry7692 | Bucks

225 | 14 hours ago

Reddit is so guilty of this

AshenSacrifice | Clippers

74 | 14 hours ago

People were talking about Wemby never getting a dpoy or mvp too so it’s not a new discussion at all

Upstairs-Royal672

117 | 13 hours ago

That’s not his point. His point is when it was Embiid being affected and frankly targeted by the creation of the rule, general sentiment was that if you can’t play 65 games you don’t deserve it. But now that it’s other stars with higher public approval being affected everyone is clutching their pearls about it. If wemby never plays 65 how is that any different from Embiid never playing 65? Same with the all nba stuff. Embiid was screwed for years but as soon as someone else got hurt they changed it

PeopleCallMeSimon

31 | 13 hours ago

Im sorry but i just dont see the outrage.

Where are these hordes of people saying that the 65 game rule is bad?

Neuroxex | Bucks

18 | 10 hours ago

As someone who has, from the start, said this is a shit rule it has 100% shifted after Jokic got injured. It shifted when Haliburton rushed back from injury to try and meet the threshold too. But 10 days ago it didn’t sell here to say it’s a bad rule, now, for some reason, it does.

Snapphane88

13 | 11 hours ago

Wemby is loved by rNBA so that’s not surprising.

AshenSacrifice | Clippers

6 | 11 hours ago

As they should lol, the rule still ain’t changing tho. 80% seems like a very reasonable marker

burner_for_celtics | BOS

5 | 9 hours ago

Are we biased bc racism or just hanlin clients? I’m a Tatum fan, so I’m ready to get on board but I need to know the right messaging lmk

soyworld | Timberwolves

217 | 14 hours ago

getting awards off rep is terrible. god forbid you have to play most of the year to get yearly awards lol

TheBigBomma | Thunder

42 | 14 hours ago

Yeah, if you’ve missed more than a quarter of the season why are you in equal discussion with players that haven’t?

SirJoeffer | 76ers

33 | 13 hours ago

Getting awards off rep? He’s averaging 30/12/11 Jesus christ lol

Razatiger

30 | 9 hours ago

It doesnt matter though, Shai will average 32ppg on nearly 70% TS for like 78+ games.

Give me another professional sports league where a guy can miss 20% of the games and still win MVP?

Even in sports where injuries are more common like Football, it still wouldnt fly.

heat_fan_ | Raptors

113 | 14 hours ago

This thread is totally guilty of this lol

FFElite93 | 76ers

69 | 14 hours ago

It’s all jokic fan boys lol

The_Grogfather

36 | 13 hours ago

You mean 99% of this sub?

Papaaya | Nuggets

16 | 14 hours ago

ive already seen 10+ comments on this post from you whining about jokic fanboys. Its been several years since he had a “rivalry” with Embiid and you’re still obviously seething about how it played out hahahah you’re so pathetic

SniperJ324 | Lakers

92 | 14 hours ago

I love this rule 🤷🏾‍♂️ if you want an award for your legacy and the extra money that you’re eligible for from said awards, then why should you be able to miss 20+ games and still qualify? That’d be like a normal 9-5 worker calling in sick for two weeks, and then expecting to still be awarded employee of the month for that month.

Edit: This is coming from someone who’s favorite player has been AD ever since Kobe retired btw.

Rook2Rook

14 | 14 hours ago

Sick for one week*. Sick for two weeks would be half the month or 41 games in this instance.

Tortastrophe | Raptors

84 | 14 hours ago

Ah yes the unbiased opinion of… Drew Hanlen? Fuck off lol.

65 game rule is whatever. Gimme a 65 game season instead.

kostajepaosmosta

6 | 11 hours ago

Yea but this just a strawman situation and people are jumping on a hate wagon.

Beantowntommy

60 | 14 hours ago

My guess is the 65 game rule has more to do with monetary incentives tied to winning MVP / All NBA / other season awards as well as the contract implications than the awards themselves.

Maybe it’s a CBA bargaining chip or something, or a way the league is trying to combat load management.

If you follow the money that’s most likely why the rule is in place.

GreatCaesarGhost | Bucks

42 | 8 hours ago

It’s always been about load management. This was the league’s method of trying to ensure that star players play a critical mass of games that paying fans attend.

dmavs11 | NBA

55 | 14 hours ago

This is an absolute joke. People have been talking about the 65 game rule for a while now. And its because its not just Jokic who might miss it, but Wemby and Giannis too.

Elegant_Brick5603

23 | 14 hours ago

Wemby may be the greatest defensive player ever and never win dpoy because of this rule

divulgingwords | Thunder

24 | 14 hours ago

Has he thought about playing the games? Is he stupid?

Tr0janSword | Lakers

22 | 11 hours ago

Idk why you’re getting downvoted.

If Wemby is healthy, he should play every game, and will win all these awards.

The fact that people have already built in “Wemby will miss 17 games every year” to their expectations is stupid.

jsphenom08

33 | 11 hours ago

The 65-game minimum is good and should remain.

Requiring playing 79% of the regular season in order to win a regular season award is more than reasonable.

Nosalis2

25 | 14 hours ago

Waiting for Jokic stans to try and dispute any of this.

Happy_but_dead

42 | 14 hours ago

Who fucking cares? I’m just glad he isn’t out for a year or so.

GayForJamie

18 | 14 hours ago

It’s almost like the MVP frontrunner Jokic getting hurt 24 HOURS AGO is news, and he’s literally the latest high profile person that this rule will affect, so it’s being talked about by everyone.

For fuck’s sake, people literally talked about Wemby getting screwed for DPOY last year.

Plenty of people have already complained about how Giannis and Wemby will miss awards this season too. Giannis can only miss 3 more games, Wemby 5. There will be more threads about it when they hit the threshold.

Jokic is known as the best player and is averaging a 30-point triple-double, and he will not make an all-nba team now because of this rule. It’s fair that people talk about it within 24 hours of the news.

Wonderful-Photo-9938

34 | 14 hours ago

Actually, imo,

The reaction will be the same if SGA is the one who will miss 15 games in 1 month. I think.

The reason is because Giannis and Wemby are already just few games away from being disqualified. And Luka is kinda too.

So, it will be down to only 1 MVP Candidate if ever. (Or 2 if Luka doesn’t miss more games.)

PS: Not a fan of SGA or Jokic. Just saying that either one of them being impacted will generate this reactions. Because they are arguably the 2 best players in the league.

FFElite93 | 76ers

23 | 14 hours ago

Why should a player be all nba if they can’t play in 80% of the games?

Dopeez | Spurs

14 | 7 hours ago

Because 62 games of Jokic is gonna be more impactful than like 68 games of Karl Anthony Towns

buchukoy_carding | Thunder

11 | 10 hours ago

Reaction will be the same? Lmao! Best believe r/nba will celebrate it.

rumblegod | Thunder

27 | 14 hours ago

Mods keep this up 👀

PatoDarkwing

23 | 14 hours ago

The root issue here is that that 65 game threshold was made to make the heavy dnp - rest players ineligible for the award. Of course the downside is that the policy affects also players that havn’t even remotely been under any load management. Of course the threshold rule gets called out when it accounts for a ”false” negative. Load managent still remains the core issue in all of this.

salmon10 | Pistons

23 | 14 hours ago

Its not just jokic lol

Ill-Butterscotch-622

8 | 14 hours ago

Nobody was making a big deal about luka

DVPVPD | Thunder

26 | 14 hours ago

The 65 game rule is good.

But the ALL NBA should have been positionless well before that. I understand positions still matter but like you look at this year. Jokic would be C on 1st team, Sengun likely 2nd team, who would get third? Wemby will likely miss too many games, Davis has been out. Would another centre really be worthy of a slot in the best 15 for the year? If Jokic misses too many games would another C really be worthy of having a 1st team slot?

IllegitimateRisk | NBA

24 | 14 hours ago

I haven’t seen anyone say this and I live on this dumb website.

Hadius | 76ers

20 | 14 hours ago

Was this not also a topic last season? Lol

HB3187 | Nuggets

5 | 9 hours ago

Yes yes it was.

Frosty_Dimension5646 | Nuggets

5 | 8 hours ago

I first saw it start with Wemby and DPOY. But it was a minority opinion then and it still is.

crazyyoco | Warriors

18 | 14 hours ago

Or maybe people strarted to talk about it becuse there are now 4 MVP candidates in danger of missing games required for awards ?

azzadruiz | Nuggets

16 | 13 hours ago

I still like the rule

Prince_of_DeaTh | Lithuania

16 | 12 hours ago

Yeah, I think I’m outgrowing NBA, this shit is like love island and the fans are just as brain-dead

MemetoLeft506 | Thunder

16 | 14 hours ago

r/nba in shambles

masonb423 | Nuggets

15 | 13 hours ago

The 65 game rule was effectively already an unspoken rule for MVP voting. How many MVP have we played less than 65 games in an 82 game season?

AnkitPancakes | Thunder

4 | 12 hours ago

1, Bill Walton. To the point, it seems like the 65 game rule doesn’t really matter in practice so who cares that it is codified

mycoffeeiswarm | NBA

6 | 10 hours ago

It matters a lot for All-NBA. I would rather Jokic in All-NBA than Julius Randle or Mikal Bridges.

RaySilver3

12 | 14 hours ago

Nobody is saying this 🤣

Jamal_gg

4 | 14 hours ago

I’m chronically online and I haven’t seen anyone saying this…

DawnArcing | Suns

13 | 9 hours ago

The actual flaw that people don’t want to admit is basketball’s primary stat display being per-game rather than totals like every sport.

It completely hides availability, because people won’t look deeper at the numbers if you’re just showing them PPG on the TV.

It also actively incentivises taking games off to “protect your stats”.

lunaticskies | Thunder

11 | 14 hours ago

I heavily disagree with this nonsense narrative. We all talked about the same thing when Wemby missed games. It always comes up when an All-Star misses games, but this time we have all these people acting like it hasn’t come up before. They were talking about how Wemby playing in the Cup finals gives him another game played.

residentevilgoat | 76ers

14 | 14 hours ago

1000 comments in an hour

Technician-Temporary | Knicks

9 | 14 hours ago

Their great white hope. It’s more funny because Jokic doesn’t give a shit lol

trav-senpai | Kings

10 | 14 hours ago

Rule is good. Can’t be most valuable when your value is zero. This is the first article I’ve seen that has stated that it is all the sudden a problem. I never want to see another MVP win over someone that balled out over 82 games. And it’s not like the negatively impacts Jokic legacy or what we think of him at all. Buncha babies

FFElite93 | 76ers

13 | 14 hours ago

Jokic fanboys get sensitive if you don’t think he is the second coming of Christ

VarrocksFinest

8 | 13 hours ago

Mate you are all over this thread talking more about Jokic than anyone.

TheMoonWasBlue

11 | 14 hours ago

Alternate way of saying it: He hated the 65-game rule when it only affected Embiid.

What’s your bias Drew… Are you employed by Embiid or anything….?

deebzy23 | Pistons

8 | 14 hours ago

Does anyone care what Drew Hanlen thinks?

LurkerFailsLurking | Nuggets

13 | 14 hours ago

Who is saying the 65 game rule should be changed for Jokic? All I’ve heard is people saying it’s a damn shame there’s going to be this huge asterisk on this historic season.

I’m bummed he’ll be out of the MVP race during the best season of his career, and I’m really bummed that the Nuggets put together the best team he’s ever had around him only to have them so devastated by injuries. And my heart breaks for Jamal Murray who is the only starter left standing in the middle of the best season of his career, when he’s finally delivering on the promise his fans have been hoping for from him about for half a decade.

But I haven’t seen anybody in Nuggets-land - and certainly nobody with any kind of influence - suggest changing the rule.

Matias9991

7 | 13 hours ago

Yes, they are fighting with ghosts, no one is saying that the rule is shit, I mean, even if the rule was not there Jokic losing 10-15 games would make it extremely extremely difficult for him to win the MVP so It doesn’t change much.

It’s crazy how the haters just find any excuse to hate, even if they have to fight ghosts.

mnight84

7 | 11 hours ago

Drew Hanlen still alive! He hasn’t had one of his jokic rants in a couple of years now he has been awfully quiet over the last few years. I will give Drew Hanlen credit he is loyal to his boss, being Joel embiid trainer pays really well I am guessing. There is nothing wrong with the 65 game rule I don’t think it should be changed and I really don’t see anyone crying about it. I think jokic haters are going to struggle for the next 4 or 5 weeks without him, because other than this made up controversy there is nothing to hate on or nothing to hate “watch”until jokic comes back. If you are a jokic hater you are getting everything you ever wanted. You are going to get someone other than jokic winning the MVP, and you don’t have to see any post about him putting up big numbers in games for awhile so there is nothing to complain about.

BarrackLesnar | Spurs

8 | 11 hours ago

Hanlen is saying this because Embiid is his client and Jokic is not.

complexvibess | Warriors

7 | 11 hours ago

I’m pretty sure everyone complains when their favourite player goes down

Upstairs-Royal672

10 | 14 hours ago

He’s 100% right, and I dont mind the 65 game rule. This year is just full of people wanting to be confirmed in their biased 2023 Embiid jokic debate takes

TheKeviKs | Spurs

6 | 12 hours ago

SGA has it in the bag if he can stay injury free.

If he gets injured though then I don’t know who will win it lol.

JPowTheDayTrader

5 | 14 hours ago

This seems like a strawman. Haven’t heard anything from the media regarding the Jokic injury situation. Besides, Jokic couldn’t care less if wins any award.

HouseStark212

5 | 13 hours ago

It feels like we just crown the MVP in December and then it becomes their award to lose.

srector1224 | Nuggets

2 | 14 hours ago

This crying-ass bitch is literally on Embiid’s payroll, he’s his trainer. Certainly no bias there 🙄

I remember Windhorst crying about the rules the year they were enacted, specifically on Embiid’s part, as a matter of fact

If SGA had to miss a month with injury we’d hear the same “uproar”, too. Give me a break.

roodycall

3 | 13 hours ago

I really wanted him to win it and I’m a suns fan

[Drew Hanlen] “It’s wild how loud some of the media gets when it affects Jokic… Now the 65-game rule is suddenly a problem because it impacts Jokic. The bias is crazy.”