You gotta drop this during a peak time big dawg, this is a hit

But it’s 4am central

Chris Paul age 40 stats makes me sad

I talk about lebron like he old.. and he just 3 years older than me 😂

I’ve wondered for a while how long LeBron could be a deserving NBA rotation player if that was his goal. So to put a number on it, how long could he be a top 250 player in the league? 

I’m increasingly confident that he could do it past age 45. He’s obviously tailing off, but you look at those other guys on that list and he still seems years away from being at that level, and those guys were mostly worthy rotation players when they retired. 

We’ll obviously never know because he’ll retire years before he’s the 8th guy in a rotation playing 12 MPG, but that really does seem like it would be 5+ years away at this point. 

I saw a reccent interview where tony parker jokingly commented that the difficulty as you grow older is the recovery time and seeing lebron still look like a top 5 athlete on the court any night really puts into perspective the discipline he puts in to maintain his body

5-10 years ago when people were projecting Bron’s longevity records like all time scoring, they were pencilling him for 15pts a night tops by age 40, lmao

Very impressive tbh

Glazing a bit here, but MJ doing what he was doing in such a low scoring era is pretty sick. Sure he was on a shit team and could chuck all he wanted, but still very impressive after being retired for a couple of years.

Interesting, thank you for finding the time to dig all this.

Thank you. Planned on researching this myself so appreciate you doing the legwork and saving me the time

I understand modern stats are inflated by pace and space/rules changes, but Bron beating his career averages in pts, rebs, and asts on different occasions during his age 38-40 seasons is something else

Kevin Willis came to play 5 games for the Mavericks in 2007, as a 44.5 year old that retired in 2005. Actually played some minutes (well, 8.6 per game), but kinda feel bad that Nat Hickey counts as the oldest player because he played like 5 minutes in 1948 and was just there to foul people.

Wish the NBA did some sort of rebranding in the 60s or 70s like the EPL did in the ‘90s, as they mostly now use stats relating to “the EPL” rather than all the English football leagues since 1888.

The ABA merger makes most sense as a watershed moment, but from a pure ball standpoint it is probably somewhere in the 60s. Really hard to pinpoint when, but the expansion to 17 teams in 1970 is also a good point in time. You lose Bill Russel & the Celtics (which in itself might be a sign of why choose that point in time) but still get some of Wilt Chamberlain’s career in the stats.

Some quality work OP, lots of fun stuff in here

John Stockton man. Put some respect on that man’s name.

Mutumbo putting up 22 rebounds in 2007 is wild

This is amazing. One of the stats I love is how his assists have gone up as his scoring has gone down but without losing efficiency. It shows one way how he’s adapted his game as he’s aged. No surprise since the dude’s a basketball genius, but it’s cool to see numerically

Dirk’s longevity is crazy underrated. It’s one of the reasons I have him narrowly above Jokic all time.

This LeBron guy seems pretty good

Jason Kidd averaging more rebounds than points or assists is not something I would have guessed. But he transformed himself into kind of a 3 and D wing during his last year’s on the Knicks.

Happy Birthday Bron💖

Early morning banger. Who’s got the coffee?

Yup. It’s Lebron and MJ again in the conversation.

By these stats, Robert Parish looks like he was way better than I remember him being over 40.

he will have his tour then retire next season probably with a one year contract with the Cavs.

Vince Carter was still handling his business at 40.

im LeTired boss

LePassport ruined the game with his LeWhining, LeFlopping, and LeComplaining. Bron Stan’s are worse than Swifties.

CEO of EPO

Interesting but I don’t think these stats say too much other than the averages. Great players will probably always still have moments of greatness in individual games, regardless of their age.

I think the more apt data to look at is the fall off. Not the time they spent in the league. Not the indvidual game stats at an age. But relative to their peak output, or their expected output over the course of their career, at what point did their output diminish, and by what quantity.

I was curious and was looking this up myself. John Stockton and Karl Malone for example played pretty much to LeBron’s age now. Malone’s output didn’t really drop that dramatically and is pretty on par with LeBron. Stockon held up pretty well but began to be less, John Stockton a few years before, but not by much.

Kareem’s production for example greatly diminished in last few seasons, though he preformed better in the playoffs and the team did win 2 championships during those years.

I think the real question is, how much do you lose at this age. And where does LeBron stack up against other players of his age and caliber, relative to what they’ve lost?

How many games was the team scheduled in his career vs how many he played

24/7/7 on 60% TS% is beyond most players peak year. Hell, it’s beyond most players peak GAME.

Father Time will come but LeBron is laughing in his face a lot longer than ever seemed possible.

24/7/7 at 40? In the NBA? Damn. He is the biggest freak of nature in the history of sports and no one is close. Not wilt, not Shaq, not wemby. Not anybody. He is the unicorn of unicorns.

Lol

I love when people say LeBron is washed up. Hes fucking 41 years old and still doing this shit. The consistent level of play for the last 23 years. Mind boggling. Won’t see the likes of him for awhile.

TIL Grant Hill lasted in the NBA until 40yo

And amazing he’s stayed at such a high level without the use of steroids of any kind. Truly unbelievable. Like literally, it’s unbelievable. Literally cannot be believed.

LeBron has longevity, but I think MJ could have if he played in this league too. Defense is super soft now. The toll the NBA takes on your body just isn’t even comparable to the 80s-90s. Will LeBron own every longevity stat? Yeah. Does that make him the GOAT? No but he has an argument.

I wonder what his joints are made of

I’m 36 and my knees hurt

Kinda crazy that we talk about LeBron as the best teenager to play in the NBA, and now we are talking about him being the best 40 year old to play. Truly amazing that he’s performed at this level for this long.

I’mma say it, as someone who has NEVER followed basketball, I did not expect LeBron to be only 41. He’s been around forever I thought he was like 48 or 50 by now.

Robert Parish with 7 blocks in a game at age 42. Obviously not in the same stratosphere as LeBron overall, but his longevity is preposterous in its own right.

didn’t even know nash played til 40

He’s probably the GOAT but never will be Jordan.

mj is such a goat lol but much love to lebron too

MJ had 4 steals a few days after turning 40. He didn’t play at 40-323

So many LeBron haters here it’s insane

Just shows you how watered down the game has become .

Why is TS% being cited everywhere of (relatively) late?

Taking the totality of his career and what he’s meant to the game, I don’t know how he’s not the greatest to ever do it. The dude has been in the spotlight for 20 years and outside of a few childish hiccups has been nothing but the perfect spokesman for the league. The longevity and ability to still do it at this age is frankly absurd.

Amazing accomplishment. We love LeBron. Who the fk care about this shit.

Of course his stats are like this, he orchestrates stat padding so well.

He often passes the ball to teammates on bad possessions at the last second so they are forced to shoot, earning him an assist if they make it. But not affecting his true shooting percentage if they miss. The way he use teammates to make his stats make him seem relevant in the NBA, tells me he probably controls the teams playbook to some degree and probably padding there too.

Whatcha talkin’ about Willis?

GOAT for a reason

LeBron this season.

Plus/minus -39
Defensive rating 118.8

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Comparing against eras in the past is pretty dumb. NBA basketball is a very, very different game today vs even 20 years ago, much less 30-40 years ago. No comparison, in any way really.

He’s been outed by so many people for PED’s and you never hear him deny anything.

He plays zero defense and brings team chemistry down. Once again, a focus on his individual stats and never his adverse effect on the team as a whole. The story of his career.

NBA average level is in the gutter, that’s what I can gather from this kind of stats

Now do his numbers when he isn’t on roids. Oh wait

LeBron is a cunt.

who really cares about empty calorie regular season stats in an age where players don’t even try during half the games in the regular season? this means nothing

Yet the number one stat no one mentions 

Loosing records in playoffs and championships lol. No GOAT has that . He’s just played a long time n a weak league . 

Yet still his goal to be considered THE GOAT will remain unrealized. He thinks stats, time, and silly posts like this one talking about it will get him there. Here’s the reality, it won’t. <shrug>

Over the last 2 seasons, the Lakers are 5.5 points/100 possessions better with him off the court. In fact, they’re negative when he’s playing

He missed a lot of games

Definitely impressive and cements his status as a top 3 all time player in my mind, possibly #2 behind only Jordan. We have to factor in career achievements and he’s still building on those.

Those Malone/Jordan/Stockton numbers were in the dead ball era. So comparing them to averages they are much more impressive; beating Lebron’s PPG/TS(even more if you consider position).

The problem with the comparison is that this is the modern NBA, where nobody plays defense and it is much easier to score.

Teams are scoring 20-25 points more per game than when MJ was on the Wizards.

It’s still an incredible accomplishmen to still be playing at that level at that age (and even more so with that mileage), but it is also much easier to put up numbers now.

LeBron is a perfect example of just how much damn easier it is to stuff the statsheet in today’s NBA.
You would have to have some kind of neurological impairment to think that late 30s LeBron is anywhere near as good as the player he was in his late Cleveland & Miami days where he averaged around 27ppg on 60% true shooting. Yet age 37 Lebron averaged 30.3ppg on nearly 62% true shooting. Again, you would have to be some kind of moron to think he is a better player than he was back then. He wasn’t. Not even close. The league has simply made it as easy as possible for players to score because that is the product they want to give fans, high scoring games where players are putting up ridiculous numbers.
Unfortunately, the byproduct of all that is that it unfairly portrays him as being way better than he actually is at that age which in turn negatively impacts the image of past players who did not have the advantage of playing in a cupcake league and actually had to earn the statlines they put up…downvote away kiddies, you know it’s true.

You forgot to mention none of these legends were using roids in their time

That’s all fine but his team was winning when he was hurt.

This “raw” comparing make little to no sense. That’s why I keep saying “let’s wait for Steph and KD to get to 40, let’s wait for that whole gen of now ~35 players to reach 40, before comparing Lebron to the past”.

For me this has no meaning on several reasons: 1st of all, the game changed drastically, favouring putting up big numbers now vs the 90s or the 00s when the game was slower. 2nd, technology has changed, so players last more, can recover easily from injuries etc etc. 3rd, the mental aspect of “chasing” is completely ignored. Lebron is still chasing Jordan, was chasing Kareem too for all time numbers. That burden was just not existent for players like Kareem or Jordan… but also going back, a guy like Wilt just stopped playing because he cannot play anymore +40 minutes a game, if that was just 10 years later he would have never stopped but probably played like Kareem for 20+ seasons.

So there is a faulty methodology that is also backed by a faulty comprehension of sport and human nature. Basically useless numbers.

41 flops this season?