Yellow_blackjack

1343 | 13 hours ago

It would make the bad Luka trades complete if the guy originally traded for Luka on draft night got traded for the other guy Luka got traded for

59435950153 | Mavericks

469 | 13 hours ago

Welcome back Mavs legend Trae Young

lsmith77 | Mavericks

84 | 13 hours ago

Well it would then be a Hunter for Christie+LAL FRP 2029 trade from the Mavs point of view.

MahomesMccaffrey | Slovenia

30 | 12 hours ago

Cam reddish you are a Dallas maverick!

Whatever801 | Jazz

56 | 12 hours ago

That’s the funniest outcome beyond them like trading him back to the Lakers for a pack of chewing gum and Ayton

Pardonme23 | Lakers

15 | 8 hours ago

We’ll take him after he’s bought out. Hopefully he goes to the Jazz, aka buyout land.

Whatever801 | Jazz

12 | 8 hours ago

We are struggling to tank at the moment

matty_a | Knicks

6 | 8 hours ago

Only if Marvin Bagley was somehow involved too

Double-Slowpoke

41 | 12 hours ago

I feel like you should not be allowed to say you are moving Luka because of defense, and then trade for the only PG consistently worse than him on D. So at least they are being consistent with their logic.

Itchy-Face791 | Warriors

50 | 11 hours ago

Did you forget that Nico’s no longer the GM lol

Mammoth_Winner2509 | Pistons

13 | 10 hours ago

Yeah but the owner who okayed it is still there.

Skylightt

15 | 9 hours ago

The owner gave the okay because they just trusted their GM. They don’t know shit about basketball.

doppelstranger | Mavericks

8 | 8 hours ago

That’s an understatement.

TatumBrownWhite | Celtics

30 | 13 hours ago

That’s what I’m saying

Oceanbreeze871 | Celtics

5 | 11 hours ago

A dream within a dream. [spins top]

msterling2012 | Mavericks

1025 | 14 hours ago

So this reads as though Atlanta is possibly interested in an AD for Trae swap but Dallas is not.

masterchef757 | Mavericks

369 | 14 hours ago

That’s my read as well. The implication of the whole convo is that ATL wants AD, but cannot pay both AD and Trae next season as they will be in the second apron. Dallas taking Trae solves this issue, but presumably they don’t want him.

Therefore, ATL would probably have to trade Trae to another team if they want to do an in season AD trade.

Proof-Umpire-7718 | Lakers

158 | 13 hours ago

So would Atlanta’s plan be to pair Jalen Johnson with AD?

I’m not sure how great of a team that would be.

I’m assuming that Johnson would become their primary playmaker and scorer, but he’s still young and unproven in the playoffs.

AD’s an excellent pairing though since he strongly covers for JJ’s poor defense. The spacing is also still adequate since JJ can shoot 3’s, and AD can shoot middies.

RspectMyAuthoritah | Lakers

147 | 13 hours ago

AD being able to shoot middies is a common misconception. For his career he’s 42% from 10-16 and 38% from 16-3p. That’s not very good.

secretreddname | Lakers

76 | 12 hours ago

That shit was automatic in the bubble and never looked the same since.

Plastic_Mango_7743

26 | 11 hours ago

Big Bubble Davis

A-Centrifugal-Force

16 | 10 hours ago

He never should have bulked up after the title. His shot has never been the same since.

Either that or he could only do it in empty arenas, although he wasn’t shooting as well in mostly empty 2021 arenas either

S21500003 | Bucks

11 | 10 hours ago

Part of the reason he bulked up though was because he was forced to play the 5.

RyouBestGirl | Japan

3 | 10 hours ago

Everyone were shooting better in the bubble.

Even TJ Warren turned into MJ

braucieno

54 | 13 hours ago

38% from 16-3p is pretty decent for a big

dafdiego777 | Rockets

68 | 13 hours ago

It’s still a horribly inefficient shot

Jarxzz | United States

28 | 12 hours ago

Yep

AD middies is a last choice bail out shot when there’s no other option

We see early this season when AD is your main offense it’s incredibly ugly. He needs to be a play finisher

RspectMyAuthoritah | Lakers

51 | 12 hours ago

38% puts him ranked around 100th in the league over the last couple seasons but he’s top 5 in attempts per game from there. And 42% from 10-16 puts him around 120th or so but he’s top 20 in attempts per game. That’s not someone you want shooting mid range shots but he for some reason takes a lot of them.

ObiOneKenobae | Knicks

7 | 13 hours ago

He’s absolutely a better than average mid-range shooter, but the perception of him being elite comes from early on with the Pelicans and the bubble playoff run.

RspectMyAuthoritah | Lakers

13 | 12 hours ago

Those %s are both outside the top 100 in the league in each of the last 3 seasons. That’s not above average.

josephandre

4 | 10 hours ago

i mean there are 500~ players in the league. that’s firmly above average lol.

RspectMyAuthoritah | Lakers

8 | 10 hours ago

BRef only has 220-230 that have actually taken a shot from those ranges so being 100-120 would be about average.

josephandre

4 | 10 hours ago

oof, fantastic point. i like that

LiftHeavyFeels | Lakers

6 | 12 hours ago

The bubble run when he turned in to MJ from midrange while shooting respectable from 3. Glorious

3pointshoot3r

9 | 12 hours ago

Exactly - he gets that reputation because he TAKES a lot of middies, he just doesn’t convert a lot of them.

MichaelZZ01 | Clippers

6 | 11 hours ago

He gets that reputation because he shot 100% in the bubble

RRJC10 | Raptors

25 | 12 hours ago

JJ is also a great secondary facilitator but not a lead guy. Atlanta struggled mightily, especially in crunch time, when Trae was out with half court offense. They have no primary facilitator if they trade for AD. Honestly Trae for AD makes them a worse team because of what they’re losing.

Pretty_Waltz5965

4 | 13 hours ago

Trae doesn’t have a future in Atlanta and has a disgusting 50 million player option next year. This trade would make the Hawks more fun to watch and expedite them moving into their next era.

PradL

2 | 13 hours ago

I’ll admit I don’t watch many Hawks games… but since when does Jalen have bad defense?

Positive defensive win shares and DBPM every year after his rookie year, gets a good amount of steals and blocks, he’s tall and athletic etc.

Silentorgy_v2

42 | 13 hours ago

Would just recommend watching more hawks ball idk, cannot keep the ball in front of him

mufflefuffle | Hawks

29 | 13 hours ago

Dawg, I would recommend watching less Hawks ball. Truss mí daddy

Acceptable_Tap1809 | Hawks

4 | 11 hours ago

Yep does not past the eye test. He really needs to improve.

masterchef757 | Mavericks

16 | 13 hours ago

Since he became the centerpiece of their offense he has not been as locked in defensively. It’s hard to be a great defender when you’re asked to be the primary offensive option. If you’ve watched the Hawks at all this season it’s pretty obvious how bad he has become.

CalmYe

13 | 13 hours ago

With his increased role in offense his defensive effort has begun to decline. He’s always been good to average he just hasn’t been as good as usual this year. At times he’s downright bad

theblackchin | Hawks

3 | 12 hours ago

I agree it’s effort to an extent, but it’s also ball watching a lot leading to back door cuts and he’s communicating/listening poorly on switches making him lost.

fab_frog_disco

4 | 12 hours ago

I’m a buyer of all the Jalen Johnson stock. Love his game (on offense)

But he’s an absolute terrible defender. He’s never been great and this year in a elevated offensive role he’s been downright nasty at times. He gets lost consistently when he’s off ball, and puts up very little resistance as a point of attack defender

The game against the Spurs the other night San Antonio was absolutely licking their chops to get him switched on the ball handlers as much as humanly possible

Tigerskippy | Hawks

3 | 12 hours ago

Hes not a lost cause yet imo, but he hasnt figured out how to play at a high level on both sides at the same time. His advanced numbers look better than they are because of his defensive rebounding, which is important for defense, but isnt what people are talking about when they say hes bad on defense.

Several_Hour_347

3 | 12 hours ago

Just know DBPM is useless

Vizard15

8 | 13 hours ago

So there’s a possibility of a third team to make this work?

aviatorbassist

8 | 10 hours ago

Why wouldn’t they want Trae? From the outside it seems like the smart thing to do would be to flip AD for Trae. Then move Kyrie and possibly Gafford/PJ for picks. Then if you can get Trae for cheap resign him or trade him/let him walk. I get that Dallas has no picks for the next four years but I see no reason not to sell off assets just because you are going to potentially give away good picks. If you are going to be bad you might as well get assets for the good players you have while they are still good. Plus, every team that you make better that isn’t OKC, HOU, or SAS is a higher pick you get in the swap. Flagg and Lively are 19-21 so they will have a couple of years to amass talent via their own picks before those two hit their 26-30 prime window.

HighOnGoofballs | Grizzlies

5 | 8 hours ago

Because they’re stupid?

RRJC10 | Raptors

56 | 12 hours ago

Which is ridiculous. It’s like those Giannis deal that have Trae going to Milwaukee. If you’re bringing in a 30 year old win now player, you keep Trae. Despite what this subreddit thinks the last week or so, you’re going to need to keep him if you want to win with whoever you bring in. Trae shouldn’t be in any discussions if it’s a win-now move. It makes no sense.

LeagueWinningPickup

11 | 12 hours ago

How can they trade for Davis cap hit without moving Trae ? Hard to put together 60 mil otherwise to match .

realgamergirlTM

16 | 11 hours ago

Risacher Porzingus kennard gets the salary done. Just a matter of picks

LeagueWinningPickup

10 | 11 hours ago

Fair , I guess I don’t see Dallas accepting that unless it’s the really good first.

imcryptic | Mavericks

2 | 9 hours ago

they can do it, they would just be in the second apron next year

incredibleamadeuscho | Lakers

9 | 13 hours ago

Send Trae to the Kings. They need a starting level point guard. Send Dennis to Dallas.

StormTheTrooper | Mavericks

6 | 12 hours ago

Why would we take Schroeder?

SmokeOddessey | Lakers

35 | 12 hours ago

German

StormTheTrooper | Mavericks

8 | 12 hours ago

If that is the case, then the Magic needs to send us Franz Wagner. Franz and WCJ for AD straight-up.

A-Centrifugal-Force

3 | 10 hours ago

Oh Atlanta is completely over Trae at this point. They’re just trying to get good value back for him, but they’re done with him. They’re better without him and they want to build around Jalen now.

DiscreteBee | Raptors

345 | 14 hours ago

Kristaps, welcome back

_NautyByNature | Celtics

76 | 13 hours ago

We’d happily take him back for the vibes alone. He’s never looked happier on the court than his stint with the C’s.

Mav21Fo | Mavericks

63 | 12 hours ago

That team was unstoppable. Finals Game 1 KP killed me. I think most Mavs fans liked him when he did play. The guy just couldn’t stay healthy for us.

LA4lyf | Mavericks

22 | 12 hours ago

Time to dust off my KP mavs jersey

Mav21Fo | Mavericks

6 | 12 hours ago

Bubble KP bby!

Yider

7 | 11 hours ago

Celtics owe a ton of that run to him because he actually had to be addressed and makes teams scheme defensively around it. Dude just kept getting switches on screens and would shoot a jumper from the free throw line with someone 8 inches shorter than him. Tatum and Brown score a ton and are great all around players but it is guys like KP that teams have to have in the playoffs because that alone opened up the floor. They also just got by with a wild amount of talent that year. Sucks to see he was sick the next playoff run and practically sat in the corner on offense and was eventually targeted for every screen.

Ill-Bat-2621 | Mavericks

3 | 7 hours ago

I am sure he was happy he didn’t have to play most of playoffs and the regular season and still won a ring

CMYGQZ | Grizzlies

2 | 8 hours ago

I like how even when talking about happiness, it’s always needed with him to specify on the court.

goknicks23

345 | 13 hours ago

He has not played 7 games in a row yet for the Mavs without getting injured. These teams that think he’s going to stay healthy are delusional.

Atl-Fan_FTS | Hawks

229 | 13 hours ago

Brother KP hasn’t played 3 in a row since he got here it would at worst be a lateral move

goknicks23

49 | 13 hours ago

Too bad street clothes makes 23 million dollars more then KP

Pretty_Waltz5965

55 | 13 hours ago

Well he’s a helluva lot better so there’s also that.

Ball4life6

30 | 12 hours ago

KP was cheaper and hawks only gave a late 1st for him to be fair

Nsaniac | Mavericks

8 | 10 hours ago

Only a first rounder. lol.

Pikminious_Thrious | Lakers

3 | 7 hours ago

Hey you can’t blame them. Their sense of value of picks is warped because Pelicans gave them a damn lottery pick for next year to move up like 5 spots in this year’s draft.

StormTheTrooper | Mavericks

26 | 12 hours ago

One is a 30M expiring, the other will make up to 60M and is talking about an extension.

Atl-Fan_FTS | Hawks

9 | 12 hours ago

I’m not sure we’d have to give him that extension but yes, AD is a significant investment compared to KPs expiring

Was just pointing out availability for KP is the same if not worse

bryanl12 | Hawks

32 | 13 hours ago

Porzingus has never played two games in a row for the hawks, and has only played like ¹⁄₅ of our games.

We need a center

goknicks23

30 | 13 hours ago

So trading for another walking injury is the solution? Good luck with that.

NABAKLAB | IND

8 | 11 hours ago

can’t they just stick them together with a tape or something, and make a 1 whole player?

braggpeak | Hawks

221 | 13 hours ago

2 of the worst front offices making a trade what could go wrong

qotsabama | DAL

94 | 13 hours ago

Hey we don’t even have a front office right now!

tickub | NYK

80 | 13 hours ago

sounds like a major improvement from your previous FO then

qotsabama | DAL

16 | 13 hours ago

It most definitely is. But I’d feel a lot more comfortably waiting to make another major trade after we hire a new GM lol. Don’t think the current patchwork guys should be making a decision like that.

halcykhan | Pacers

9 | 12 hours ago

Doing absolutely nothing and letting NBA2K auto-draft would unironically have been a better FO

pcmasterthrow | Bulls

40 | 12 hours ago

2 of the worst front offices

now hang on a second

Billis- | Raptors

2 | 9 hours ago

Giddey deal was a good one. Bulls are one or two moves going their way to be considered a half decent FO

Specialist_Boat_8479 | Bulls

3 | 8 hours ago

Literally my only complain since last offseason about the Bulls FO is the Pat extension.

Traded Caruso, Zach, and Zo for Giddey, Tre Jones, Zach Collins, Tre Jones, and Okoro. At first I didn’t like the Zach and Zo trades but they aged nicely. Jalen Smith was a good pickup on a cheap contract. Drafted Matas, Essengue, and Olbrich.

But jfc if you’re gonna keep Pat why tf would it be on that contract.

Outrageous_Hornet_96

20 | 11 hours ago

Bulls / Kings have had that honor on lock for a decade

UnimpressedAsshole | Pelicans

14 | 12 hours ago

Woah woah woah Atlanta’s front office is entirely made up of geniuses and savants

RedstoneRay | Rockets

7 | 10 hours ago

They need to get the Pelicans involved for a 3 Team trade.

Jagermeister4 | Lakers

3 | 11 hours ago

Well they cant both get outsmarted at the same time, so at least one of them would win the trade right?

Natalie Portman: Right?

MySilverBurrito | Heat

3 | 8 hours ago

Two dumb bitches saying “exactlyyyy 😩”

DiscreteBee | Raptors

2 | 8 hours ago

What do the Kings and Pelicans have to do with this?

shoutsoutstomywrist | NJN

2 | 7 hours ago

There’s so many worse FO’s that Atlanta is no where near the top worse don’t be dramatic

Extreme-Transport

137 | 14 hours ago

Isn’t Trae just a worse Luka

Dinendal13

226 | 14 hours ago

Worse but not fat

sanjit8103 | Nuggets

45 | 13 hours ago

not fat and not tall either

Superlolz

18 | 11 hours ago

has luka ever stopped an athletic 6’10 all-nba star from dunking on him in the clutch? i think not!

WayAdministrative679 | Minneapolis Lakers

58 | 13 hours ago

Luka is 6’8, Trae is 6’0 on a good day

Kitchen_Roof7236 | Thunder

50 | 13 hours ago

Man Lukas height changes everyday lmao some sources put him at 6’6 some at 6’7 some at 6’8, I get that the shoe differences probably account for it some but it’s just funny seeing the discrepancies so often 😂

Duskuser | Lakers

18 | 13 hours ago

I believe the professional term for his height is “big dood”

iv214 | Mavericks

11 | 12 hours ago

I remember when they started measuring barefoot he was slightly under 6’7”

504090 | Thunder

2 | 7 hours ago

He towers over guys who are listed at 6’6, so I’d assume he’s 6’8 with shoes on

junkit33

10 | 13 hours ago

Well yes that’s part of Trae being a worse Luka.

botebote77

4 | 10 hours ago

honestly, making Luka guard PFs would be so much better. i even remember him doing a good defensive job against KAT. but for some reason, Redick is playing him with Hachimura a lot, who is also guarding PFs. they do hide Luka a lot making him guard the corners. but if he’s guarding PFs, there’s no need to hide him as much imo

TatumBrownWhite | Celtics

11 | 13 hours ago

Which is why it would have been absolutely hilarious for AD to get traded for him less than 10 months after being traded for Luka.

fun_hung | Mavericks

8 | 13 hours ago

When it comes to PnR reads Trae is far closer to Luka than Kyrie is to Trae. Such a Nicobrained take from the FO to undervalue that because of what I presume is his defense.

2icecreamsandwiches | Mavericks

11 | 13 hours ago

Kyrie and Trae would be a terrible pairing defensively though. Luka had size, so he could occasionally be matched up on the defensive end against bigger wings and forwards, while DJJ slotted to the defensive guard position. Can’t make those kinds of switches with both Kyrie and Trae out there together.

AllDayEnJay | Nets

4 | 13 hours ago

Kyrie West aka Kanye Irving also turns 34yrs old in March and is nearing retirement sooner than later.

Then you add on how Injury Prone his career has been and it makes no sense to hitch your wagon to an old injury prone Guard who is undersized.

Problem is the Mav’s probably can’t find value for an injured Kyrie since Trae would easily fit next to Flagg and doesn’t turn 28 until next Season so his window is larger than 1-2yrs.

Ill-Bat-2621 | Mavericks

3 | 7 hours ago

I do agree Trae and kyrie is a horrible fit but the reasoning Mavs have is bad. They want to move forward with Kyrie as their PG? Old guy who just came back from a major injury and always has injury concerns. Its not a good look on my end.

This_Field_7872 | Hawks

61 | 14 hours ago

Not shocked that a terribly run team would be itching to make this move but that’s just Hawks basketball

TatumBrownWhite | Celtics

6 | 13 hours ago

?

Trae + Kennard for AD is an obvious win for the Hawks. There’s a reason Dallas doesn’t want to do that.

This_Field_7872 | Hawks

59 | 13 hours ago

No it isn’t. Especially if AD needs a new extension. He doesn’t make this team that much better for you to sacrifice future cap space and assets. It wouldn’t be Trae anyway, it would be risacher and picks

RRJC10 | Raptors

13 | 12 hours ago

It’s absolutely not a win. If the Hawks learned anything from Trae being hurt this season it’s how badly they need his playmaking, especially in the 4th quarter of close games. Johnson works well as a secondary facilitator but he’s not the lead guy. AD has never been the either and always played his best with a PG to get him in position to score. If they’re both healthy AD is better than Trae, but if it’s a just a one for one swap Atlanta’s offense is going to be awful with that move.

Jason_B_Kidding

35 | 13 hours ago

Trae Young to the Wizards. AD to ATL.

Risacher, Kispert, draft picks, and expiring contract (CJ McCollum) to the Mavs.

YoungBuck2010 | Mavericks

18 | 13 hours ago

I’d be into this deal dependent on the picks coming back to the Mavs

Tigerskippy | Hawks

6 | 12 hours ago

Me too but I think its the other blokes involved that would say no

skj458

7 | 12 hours ago

“Draft picks” casts a very wide net in this scenario. Huge difference in value depending on what it means. Wizards unprotected firsts or the Pelicans first that Atlanta owns is far away from some random second round picks in the 2030s. I dont think it would make sense for the Wizards to give up any first round picks in this trade hypo.

ballmermurland

7 | 10 hours ago

why would the Wizards do this?

yousaytomaco

27 | 14 hours ago

Nico is screaming into his phone that they need to have a backcourt of Kyrie and Tre; with a backcourt that has a combined weight of only like 360 pounds nobody could beat them

LeagueWinningPickup

10 | 11 hours ago

I get making fun of Nico, but this is obviously the opposite of what he envisioned .

yiwang1 | Knicks

7 | 12 hours ago

Defense wins championships

LarBrd33

20 | 13 hours ago

The mavs are still in the play-in mix and have only had 1 game with kyrie and Davis together. It still seems dumb to me not to at least give that a chance before blowing it up. The pacers have won like 5 games without haliburton this season and everyone is like “yeah no shit” but for whatever reason everyone is pretending kyrie Irving doesn’t exist. Even the two seasons prior to the luka trade they had a losing record in games kyrie missed.

Kyrie + Davis + cooper CAN still work and it’s not too late for them to turn it around. If ever healthy, Davis is still an all-nba big and DPOY candidate, and kyrie is still capable of being a 1st option offensively. You put those together with a constantly improving cooper and a strong supporting cast and it can be a dangerous team.

jfrodriguez1983 | Mavericks

28 | 13 hours ago

If ever healthy, Davis

That’s why. If AD stayed healthy it would be no problem. What are we gonna do in the play-in? Just to get a chance to face OKC in the 1st round. Even when Kyrie comes back this team is a horrible 3 point shoot team in volume and percentage and we are a horrible rebounding team. This is not a good recipe for the play-in/playoffs.

LarBrd33

11 | 13 hours ago

Any logic for the Hawks to add Davis to a team of Trae and Johnson should be the same logic of the Mavericks keeping Davis on a team of Kyrie and Flagg.

I think everyone just wants to kill it because they are being emotional about Luka. That roster can still work.

I actually think on paper Kyrie + healthy Davis arguably is a better duo than Kyrie + Luka where they are both all offense with no defense. There was SOME logic to what Nico did, but it was still moronic because of age and injuries.

jfrodriguez1983 | Mavericks

9 | 13 hours ago

The Hawks are in the East and have a chance to be a non-playin team depending on the moves they make., we are in the west and maybe the best we can hope for is the 8th seed and facing OKC.

mizzou421

6 | 11 hours ago

The roster only works for a team competing for a play in though. If you play out the string with kyrie and AD then you’ve just wasted Flagg’s peak because you have no picks for 4 or 5 years. This is a no-brainer for any competent FO

YoungBuck2010 | Mavericks

11 | 13 hours ago

This is short-sighted. Dallas doesn’t have control of their picks outright until 2031 following this season.

We have seen how important it is to get young talent through the draft and doubling down on our current roster means we fight for a play-in spot this season and likely deal with the decline of Irving and Davis over the next two seasons at which we still owe draft picks in years where we are actually starting our rebuild.

Nico left the Mavs in cap hell AND with no draft capital in addition to the act of basketball terrorism he committed by trading the best player of a finals team for an injury prone big that is 7 years older. Ownership that isn’t dumb (which I can’t say we have) understands the situation we are in and decides to play the long game rather than praying the AD-Irving-Flagg pairing plays out better than we all expect it to.

LarBrd33

0 | 13 hours ago

so just keep doing what you’re doing. Rest Davis after every little bruise. Tell Kyrie to stay home. Keep tanking. Then next season you got Davis and Kyrie together for a potential run.

Those 2 are basically the same age that the 08 Celtics were when they paired KG (all-nba DPOY big like Davis) and Pierce (elite offense like Kyrie) and that team had a 5 year window. Pretty sure that was Nico’s inspiration for this mess, because he watched that team go toe to toe with Kobe and his basketball knowledge never extended beyond that.

e_j3210

4 | 12 hours ago

AD can’t play though.

Dangerous_Ad5039

24 | 12 hours ago

I know they fired Nico but the whole thing the ownership and I guess JKidd got behind was defense wins championships. Why in the world would you trade for Trae Young when you had fuckin Luka 😂

VillainousRocka | Bulls

6 | 8 hours ago

I mean you have to imagine that firing Nico was them officially and publicly abandoning whatever plan Nico purported he had. The owner clearly doesn’t know much about basketball at all, and J Kidd is a subordinate of the front office

CauliflowerNo3904

2 | 9 hours ago

It’s a two part process and I’m sick and tired of people forgetting about or ignoring the second key component.

Defense wins championships
Skin and bones over fatasses

Someonediffernt | PHO

16 | 14 hours ago

Even if you want to continue with Kyrie as PG, why would you not try for Trae and flip him for assets?

That said, there’s 0 way the Hawks would put Trae in a deal for AD of all people, and this feels like a way for the mavs to try and save face on a bad return.

SnooChipmunks4208

27 | 14 hours ago

The hawks would love to include Trae in a deal for AD.

Someonediffernt | PHO

14 | 13 hours ago

I’ll admit I haven’t watched a ton of Hawks games this year but, why? He’s owed less money, he’s younger, his deal expires sooner and the Hawks would have no PG to feed AD the ball.

RRJC10 | Raptors

6 | 12 hours ago

Makes zero sense to include Trae in that deal. If you want AD you need a PG/play maker to facilitate for him. Johnson is great as a secondary facilitator but isn’t a lead guy, especially in the half court. AD, if healthy, is better than Trae but it’s really a lateral move at best because the offense would crumble without Trae. You get your best version of AD with Trae in the lineup.

TheFrozenBananaStand | Pacers

11 | 14 hours ago

It’s not as easy to flip players, like you just bought something at a garage sale and try to sell it on Facebook marketplace. Finding teams that could fit his salary on the team really limits you to just a handful of teams.

retrohan7

7 | 14 hours ago

no one wants trae at his price/the league has soured on him in general. look at his trade marker right now lol. you’re not trading for an asset to flip later you’re trading for an albatross

Someonediffernt | PHO

9 | 14 hours ago

AD’s contract is worse than Trae’s though, Trae is owed 45 this year and then 48 next year as an expiring when he picks up his player option.

AD is owed 54 this year, 58 next year and 62 the year after that, its more money, he’s older and it goes on longer.

retrohan7

4 | 13 hours ago

there’s at least a mild sweepstakes for AD. i mean i’d consider both albatrosses but teams seem to prefer the plugability of AD (most teams don’t need an undersized defensive liability pg) even at a higher price. could probably flip him sooner than taking on trae and trying to flip him

Thehelloman0 | Spurs

4 | 13 hours ago

AD is a great defender and good on offense. If you think he can get healthy, he’s a much better player than Trae

Someonediffernt | PHO

2 | 13 hours ago

I don’t disagree that AD, when healthy is better than Trae, no arguments from me there.

I just don’t think you can look at both their contracts and say Trae’s is an albatross and not have the same feeling about AD, especially with the fact that he has only been able to stay healthy 1 of the last 6 seasons and he’s owed more money for longer.

masterchef757 | Mavericks

2 | 13 hours ago

The league as a whole appears to have soured on small point guards that don’t play defense. That was pretty evident this offseason with a bunch of similar guys getting traded for nothing like Simons and Sexton.

ADs deal is probably negative value as well, but he’s objectively a much better player than Trae and actually contributes to winning (when he’s on the court).

LeagueWinningPickup

2 | 11 hours ago

AD contract is higher but I don’t think worse . Hes a proven max player that can raise a teams floor to the play in almost alone .

Muted_Dog7317 | Heat

6 | 14 hours ago

Trae has a $50 million player option that he will opt into next season which would put the Mavs up against the second apron. It’s not gonna be easy to move him without taking bad money in return.

Porzingis and Kennard meanwhile are on expiring contracts and the Mavs could use the extra space next summer to rebuild around Flagg, like the Clippers did after letting PG13 walk.

Garmian_MFFL

4 | 14 hours ago

The Mavs don’t want Trae because nobody wants an overpriced point guard with no defense!

jambr380

20 | 12 hours ago

Mavs should take an AD for Trae deal and run. It doesn’t make the original Luka deal any better, but at least they’d get a healthier, younger player who really can do a lot for you on the court.

Then deal Kyrie. He’s not getting any younger and his best days are behind him

LeagueWinningPickup

2 | 11 hours ago

Why would anyone look at what a trae led Atlanta has accomplished (nothing ) and want that as your identity ? The league has moved away from that type of player . Kyrie and AD are proven playoff performers and winners . Much better to have Flagg come up around them than Trae .

nguyenjitsu | DEN

3 | 10 hours ago

I think the problem is Kyrie is a hard piece to move so betting on Trae can be a disaster when pairing them together down the line

yeetmxster420 | Minneapolis Lakers

8 | 14 hours ago

They should get Zacc in return, maybe he needs a scenery change

Sander1901

9 | 13 hours ago

They functionally trying to trade Luka for Trae.

True waste of a first rounder back then

heat_fan_ | Raptors

5 | 13 hours ago

AD for Zach and picks?

msterling2012 | Mavericks

10 | 13 hours ago

Most commonly referenced trade that works is AD for Zach, KP’s and Kennard’s expiring and 1-2 firsts. I think there could be other options to expand the trade to include someone like Naji who has played incredibly well and is on one of the best contracts in the league through next season.

YoungBuck2010 | Mavericks

5 | 13 hours ago

I’d include Naji if one of the picks we get back is the Pels pick. Otherwise, I’d hold on to him. I don’t want to give away one of our best assets to grease the wheels on a deal where Atlanta is receiving the best player.

msterling2012 | Mavericks

7 | 13 hours ago

They’re not trading that pick under any circumstance but if including Naji with AD gets you something like Asa, Zach and two firsts, you would need to heavily consider it. Not saying Atlanta would do that but that’s the type of return you potentially move Naji for in a deal like this.

retrospects | Minneapolis Lakers

4 | 13 hours ago

Jesus Christ, could you actually imagine trading Luka for AD to then turn around and trade AD for Trae.

Ok_Possible_5702

3 | 13 hours ago

If Atlanta really wants to dump Trae, there’s a 3-team trade that sends him to the Rockets, with Dallas getting Van Vleet (who would have to renounce his NTC), Risacher, and a couple other small contracts from the Rockets (probably Capela and DFS, but if I were Dallas I would insist for one of the young pieces)

SheriffHarryBawls

3 | 14 hours ago

It would be obvious they wanna trade Kyrie if they got Trae. Also, they’d get Trae

__BURRITOBRAWL | Celtics

3 | 13 hours ago

Sounds like a three teamer then because Porzingis for AD fucks up Atlanta’s cap unless they finally want to start paying luxury tax (and then some).

Odd-Direction9452 | Lakers

2 | 13 hours ago

I mean I get the Hawks wanting to move Trae here but is there not a world where they can attach good draft capital to Risacher plus the KD and Kennard expirings then just go all in this year with an AD, JJ and Trae trio? Then figure out the Trae landing spot this offseason if need be.

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DogAssss69

3 | 13 hours ago

Still can’t believe they didn’t get Reaves in the Luca trade.

h-888

4 | 12 hours ago

If I was the Mavs - I would kill the trade rumours, send AD home for the season to rehab, and tank this season (maybe do a mini fire sale of a couple of the vets for protected picks). If they get a high draft pick, plus Flagg + AD + maybe Kyrie And Lively - they will be good next season.

mizzou421

3 | 10 hours ago

For the 30 games kyrie and AD are healthy together, sure maybe

KasherH | Nuggets

3 | 10 hours ago

3 way trade to get Trae on the Knicks please. I know it makes no sense but it would be amazing.

solo118 | Knicks

2 | 13 hours ago

AD for KP

trilly_house | Heat

2 | 13 hours ago

Both teams would remain in the exact same spot with neither guy ever available lmao

solo118 | Knicks

2 | 13 hours ago

thats why I said it lol its the only thing that makes sense

jasxnn

2 | 13 hours ago

I just want Rissacher and Flagg together. It would be really cool watching them grow and develop together, especially since they have two different play-styles that could compliment each other!

StandardElderberry94

2 | 13 hours ago

I’ll say this once again, who in their right mind would trade for AD at this point

maltrab | Bulls

3 | 12 hours ago

Dumb teams

JKirbs14 | Raptors

2 | 8 hours ago

Shit would have ruined my Christmas if the Raptors made a trade for him

Chubbmiller18

2 | 11 hours ago

Ad and porzingus 🤣 talk about injured all the time

HeHateMex2 | Thunder

2 | 11 hours ago

Trae would be nice on the Mavs. I feel he is being misused by synder

FormerlyCinnamonCash | Heat

2 | 10 hours ago

The way to make the luka doncic trade even worse is to trade AD for Zach Risacher and Porzingis.

Scrimps | Raptors

2 | 9 hours ago

He is 33 and coming off a major, major injury.

People were saying Kawhi was finished when he joined the Raptors.

He was 27 with less injuries.

Leap-Day-0229

1 | 13 hours ago

Trae, NAW, Dyson, JJ and AD would be interesting. How many picks is atl willing to send along with zac and salary fillers

skullcandy541

1 | 13 hours ago

Dallas gets Porzingus and Risacher

Atlanta gets AD and Ja

Memphis gets Trae

Add picks and maybe some filler but it works money wise

vrilro

1 | 13 hours ago

is this the high water mark for AD trades? We got about 6 weeks until the deadline and he is probably gonna miss 1-2 of those for the xmas groin injury, i guess if he can stay on the court and put up numbers in the other 4 something better could materialize

Guardsred70

1 | 13 hours ago

How else would the salaries be made to work?

Danominator

1 | 12 hours ago

Why would any team want AD at all? This shit makes no sense. He is hurt so mucy it cant possible be worth it

GoldenBoyRecords | Knicks

1 | 12 hours ago

Sounds like the Twolves music. They can send Dallas Randle

SHansen45 | Rockets

1 | 12 hours ago

yeah no shit Trae is not part of this tf

DMac119942

1 | 12 hours ago

Mavs fan. We should keep AD if it’s a deal both sides can accept. It’s tricky but can’t go 5 years and think 3 is ideal. Going to have to max him out for those 3 tho. He gets hurt too much but he’s still good and probably better than any big man they’d get in the draft or trade.

HectorBananaBread

1 | 12 hours ago

Nobody wants Trae

archerarcher0 | Celtics

1 | 11 hours ago

Do yall think assuming KP is the salary matching in the trade the mavs would just buy him out?

He’d be a very interesting buyout guy if so, I’d love him back in Boston off the bench lol

TedKoppelz | Supersonics

1 | 11 hours ago

Is there a third team with the salary space and the need at pg who will get dragged in?

Viciouscauliflower21

1 | 11 hours ago

Bring the kings in somehow and see if you can get Sabonis to Dallas in the deal

PandaoBR

1 | 11 hours ago

Which could be the best Third Team to take Trae, and give good shit to the Mavs?
Some team missing a Playmaker, but that wants to Tank this Season.

Jazz? Like Markkanen+Niang?

Nomanodyssey

1 | 10 hours ago

Clint Capela had started having injuries and circle the drain, Kristaps came in like that, AD is exactly that and it is not worth trading Trae for it.

eekram

1 | 10 hours ago

Is Minny interested in Trae to be included in this?

qwilliams92 | Spurs

1 | 9 hours ago

So the path forward is a 3 team trade with a team that needs a PG like Minnesota

Mysterious-War-5410

1 | 8 hours ago

I would def agree not trading Trae.. he is now getting worse and worse in defense..

MBPierce

1 | 8 hours ago

Anthony Davis and DeAngelo Russel for Risacher, Porzingis, and Kennard. That’s what the Hawks want.

Same but with the Atlanta’s first round pick via New Orleans, is what Dallas wants.

If Atlanta had already offered the pick, this deal would have been done by now.

AssociateJealous8662

1 | 8 hours ago

Dumb. This wont happen. Nobody wants AD at 60 mil for 50% (at best) availability.

[MacMahon] The Mavericks would like to work out a deal to send Anthony Davis to Atlanta, but Trae Young’s not going to be part of that. They want to move forward with Kyrie Irving as their point guard.