Steve Kerr laments beef with Draymond Green: ‘Not my finest hour’
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47408205/steve-kerr-laments-beef-draymond-green
What an enabler, man. Fuck Draymond. I hope Coop dunks on his ass. Merry Christmas, r/nba!
Why does everyone lay down for this dude?
He’ll punch em
“Oh great, now he’s gonna kick MY butt!”
The Nut Cracker.
I wonder when Draymond was little if he got technical fouls in his stocking instead of coal 🤔
4 rings, 6 finals, HOF career. Most great sports champions are assholes. Kerr played with the biggest and greatest asshole in NBA history. He isnt formulating his morality of r/nba subreddit kids
Is r/nba alone in morally thinking dray punching his much younger teammate was wrong?
Is Kyrie alone in thinking the earth is flat? Social media validates a lot of irrelevant points and makes people think they matter.
But to your question, no MJ punching his younger teammate Kerr was wrong, Kobe fighting Shaq was wrong, Draymond punching Poole was wrong. Thats why Kerr suspended him and said as much. Thinking its “wrong” isnt the issue here with the almost decade long obsession r/nba has with Draymond like he is the main protagonist of the NBA. A lot of it is his success and the bitterness it brings
Never seen anyone say MJ was right to punch Kerr. Maybe some old heads.
And this subreddit criticizes shaq for bullying teammates anytime its brought up. Kobe isnt exactly praised on here either.
Love draymonds play. Think hes the ultimate jack knife. But hes been doing annoying shit for a decade. Its not just an r/nba thing to be fed up with it.
You also never see entire comment sections turn into a faux moral discussion about how Phil Jackson was an enabler and a “battered wife” for not publicly flaying Jordan over that. He threw him out of practice and it was internally handled and no one cared.
Jordan was fortunate enough to not have his career happen concurrent to the most inauthentic, outrage addicted, and performative era of human communication.
Social media didn’t exist at that time or we probably would have.
But Draymond does obnoxious shit constantly.
What got under many people’s, including my own skin, was Draymond somehow acting like he was the victim for sucker punching the smallest guy on his own team.
I just can’t stand the narcissism.
I’m not defending Green. He’s a dick. The punch was unjustified.
It’s not his the punch, it’s Acting like he was the victim and not taking any accountability and continuing to act like a prick that gets me.
Plus, putting him on the broadcast was obnoxious. So many thoughtful intelligent players and I’ve got to listen to this guy.
Most overrated player I’ve ever seen. He owes Steph everything.
No its not, but it is a r/nba to be as obsessed with him to this level. This is practically a hatedraymond subreddit.
I think the dirtiest player in the league deserves all the scorn and contempt though. It’s like Vontaze Burfict in the NFL. Dude was a piece of shit and all fans hated him deservedly
The difference is Jordan was the driving force of that team and Draymond may have cost the Warriors rings with his bullshit.
Also I’m not so sure great champions are assholes, at least not to their teammates or to the extent of Draymond.
The dudes great and the Warriors need some edge… But he should have been checked after getting suspended for a finals game.
Kerr himself has said multiple times (and steph) they dont have any banners without Draymond. He was a driving force for their rings as well. As for champions not being assholes to their teammates, Jordan fucking punched Kerr. Lol. And have you heard half of the stories of Kobe’s treatment of his teammates. Draymond is a saint compared to them. He is just “ugly”, unelegant and unmarketable.
None of those assholes ever cost the team a championship. In fact the team got Rodman to turn down his antics
You tell me who’s more replaceable, Steph or Dray? You really think of you replace Dray with another good PF the KD warriors can’t win a ring? I don’t buy it.
Kobe and Jordan.
How about Duncan, Dwade, LeBron, Steph, Magic, Bill Russel. Even guys like Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas had the ability to a demanding leader without the shit Draymond pulls.
Dray is a very good player but a lot of his actions are indefensible.
Noone is arguing Draymond is perfect or better than Steph. The question was why they put up with it. Because he is the best defender of his generation who when paired with the best offensive player probably ever made a dynasty. Thats why, and thats why he is hated as much as he is. Are there better leaders? Absolutely. Are there less flawed leaders? Absolutely. Are some of his actions indefensible? Absolutely. Is the obsession with him here still insane, absofuckinglutely
Green is not the best defender of his generation. Kawhi was the bettter defender.
Steph and Klay aren’t hated? Draymond is hated because a dirty douchebag… Same with guys like Dillon Brooks. Then Dray starts his own podcast to go out and say more dumb shit.
Basically you’re entire paragraph says what I said… So glad we agree?
Steph is hated plenty, its just not a good look to hate Steph given his personality and character. The Splash bros are too clean cut to be the face of the hate every dynasty gets. Draymond is a douchebag though and he is the enforcer in a time the world has gotten soft. He isnt as much of an outlier as People make out though. The strategy towards slowing the warriors dynasty has been excessive physicality, a lot of opponents say as much, and Draymond pushes back because again Steph and Klay are too clean cut to engage in that necessary part of the game. As for podcasts they are all dumb, again doesnt make Dray anymore of an outlier but given its Draymond it erks ppl more than all the other million dumb podcasts
Steph is one of the least hated superstars in the modern era.
Being an MJ asshole or a Kobe asshole is a whole different world than Draymond, who is a legendary asshole off the court & a dirty dickpunching role player- an all time apex one, but a role player all the same, & unlike many other role players on championship teams was never & could never be a star on a different team (Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, etc).
He sucker punched a teammate for not meekly taking his bullying. He is a cheap shot artist & a flopper.
Okay, that last part about Poole being hit for “not meekly taking his bullying” is BS. Poole is a trash talker who was getting on the vets nerves. Hate and condemn Dray all you want, once you are punching someone you deserve all of it but Jordan is no saint. He fucked around and found out, too many People think they can just say anything in this generation and not get slapped. Poole was not beat for not meekly taking bullying, he was clocked for also being an asshole. You can still hate Draymond for that and condemn him resorting to violence without rewriting history.
Kobe raped a woman.. if you wanna talk about off-court stuff
Seriously. Ive lost a lot of respect for Coach Kerr throughout the years due to how he’s handled Draymond. Coach Pop would never.
Coach Pop would never.
Yeah? You sure about that?
Can you give an example when Pops did do this?
Bruce Bowen
Bruce Bowen was worse under Pop lol
Bruce “Lee” Bowen
Bowen wasn’t punching out teammates, he was just banging their wives. Not sure if it’s better or worse, but it’s definitely different lol
wasn’t that Tony Parker ? Bowen was “just” undercutting the landing space of opposing shooters. (Kobe for example)
Ahistorical ass redditors, dude…
It’s not uncommon for people to overlook the flaws of people when they’re on the same side, especially when there’s lots of money involved.
Add in the fact that Lacob loves Draymond, and it becomes even less mysterious why morals don’t seem to matter.
Because Steph has his back.
You don’t know what happened
Yeah I know Kerr is the one who primarily should handle this but I’ve always found it odd Curry isn’t saying anything either. Unless he’s doing it off the court
It’s been going on for 13 years. I’m fairly sure if Curry was going to handle it off court, he would have done so by now. He, like most other stars, is probably just a stoic leader. “Lead by example” type guy, not the vocal leader
How do you know Kerr isn’t handling things, just because he’s not feeding into the public drama?
It’s pretty common for coaches to keep certain things “in house”
Probably because nothing ever changes.
I mean, it’s unlikely that somebody’s personality completely changes. But Draymond did go from getting ejected like 2-4 times every year to once a year. So that’s progress 😂
Fair but that could be because the refs just put up with more lol… But it’s been a good long time since he’s pinched a teammate.
Call Draymond Pai Mei the way Kerr carries water for him.
I think Draymond is one of those guys who is really good at sniffing out people he can use.
Kerr has stockholm syndrome from being MJ’s punching bag
Kerr stood up to him once before and the cops had to come in the locker room just in case. The guy’s negotiating style is unvarnished rage. The man is feral, if he was that easy to contain don’t you think the W’s would have done that by now?
It sucks, but I empathize with Kerr and Curry. Nothing they do is going to change this animal
Draymond and Westbrook are coddled more than any player in the league.
Steve Kerr is an absolute pussy
Maybe because being a dirty player in a game filled with dirty players on almost every team is a much bigger deal to fans than it is for professional athletes? Maybe because you don’t see 95% of these people’s interactions and relationships? Maybe because Draymond Green’s single off court incident of punching a teammate is hard to single out as abnormal when it is widely known the god of basketball himself punched a teammate in practice and it is widely known that this shit happens sometimes in sports in general including basketball? Maybe because people in high pressure situations with unique circumstances making massive amounts of money can handle and manage these situations better than redditors who seem to keep pretending professional sports are anything like their normal day job? If you said the shit they say on the court when trash talking each other to YOUR coworker you’d be fired.
Actually think about it and listen to what Kerr and Draymond and the Warriors have said over the years about this instead of posting easy low effort karma farm slop if you actually have an interest in learning about their dynamic.
Draymond Green is an asshole and a dirty player but fans talk like he’s out there murdering and raping. It’s so performative.
Is this a quote from the Draymond Green podcast?
Never listened to the podcast, I don’t like the guy. He’s also not unique and his situation isn’t unique. Fans are just dramatic and stupid. Hopefully because they’re young. Otherwise oof.
Sounds like you and Draymond are two precious people
Grow up.
Oh my bad.
“Draymond should have smacked me silly like he did Poole. I deserved it.”
Steve Kerr is like a battered spouse.
Yeah if you don’t listen to anything he said about this, sure.
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That’s not going to work since the comment you tried it on is understandable and fitting.
I feel like comparing a coach and player arguing to spousal abuse is a bit crazy, but what do I know? Apparently sports is life to you guys.
This guy is not against physical abuse btw, just faking moral high ground
How am I inconsistent? Across both comments, I’m saying that professional athletes assaulting each other isn’t as big a deal as real-world violence.
I mean that’s just dumb. What Draymond did was real world violence… He sucker punched a teammate. It wasn’t in a boxing ring or octagon.
Because athletes live in the real world so your point is moot. Getting punched in the face doesn’t hurt less because you are a millionaire and your beloved Draymond is an abuser fair and square.
What a bitch response
Wasn’t draymonds either
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Why can’t Steve Kerr just shame and talk to him like a man?
Shame him?? What?
He literally did talk to him. He said he did. Did you actually listen to his response?
Also they literally had a screaming match in public. What do you think was being discussed lol
it’s crazy how a NBA coach have the audacity to confront your presidnet (orangeman)
Talking into a mic about your opinion isn’t a confrontation.
but not his own player under a contract
Again, have you actually ever listened to Steve Kerr talk when his relationship with Draymond comes up?
Can’t even protect his own player or punish one either ha
Draymond Green was suspended by the team for like 12 games and his actions were publicly denounced by Steve Kerr, and Kerr said Draymond needed to learn how to control himself all like a fucking year ago bro. Jesus Christ.
That’s just the incentive structure, one has a direct day to day impact the other is much more abstract on a personal level.
I would expect draymond green to hit me if I asked him the time on the street and you’re wondering why an old man won’t criticize him?
Well that’s because Is not a defense of Kerr. I’m calling him a coward.
It’s been more than an hour, Steve.
Because Dray is sensitive, and doesn’t need no coach to be coaching him
Is this that weird? It’s never a great idea to lose your composure when you are managing folks.
Can’t tell if Kerr really believes it, or if he’s just that good at trying to run interference to keep the problem in-house from here on out.
But the best part is they went from down 5 to up 20 after he pulled a Pippen and walked out on his team.
Hahaha, he even takes Draymond’s side when it’s he himself that’s the counterparty.
two things likely driving this:
It’s bad if a player throws a tantrum at his coach, but forgivable. Emotions run high and all. But it’s pretty much unforgivable in reverse. Coaches are supposed to be the adults in the room. They’re supposed to keep their cool. A coach who can’t do so is a huge liability.
At this stage, Kerr needs Draymond a lot more than Draymond needs Kerr. This is pretty much their last chance to win with Curry. Reinforcements aren’t coming over the hill. Kerr has to figure out how to win with the players he has. Kerr could be replaced tomorrow if ownership thought that’s what was needed to maximize Curry’s remaining time. Even if that weren’t the case Kerr can’t unilaterally trade him… if ownership has made it clear they’re riding Curry and Green out for legacy reasons, Kerr’s only option is to make the best of it or leave.
This is pretty much their last chance to win with Curry.
There is not a chance, currently.
“I hope Coop dunks on his ass” - cornball
Hate to break it to you, but if you’re posting on r/nba, you’re automatically a cornball. Welcome to the club.
My thoughts are that we just found out in the last two games the the Ws p,ay very well with Draymond not on the floor. Not saying he isn’t great or needed here just saying that he doesn’t need to be part of the big three and maybe coming off the bench is more beneficial to the team now.
all this essentially means is kerr is loyal to the old guard and won’t adjust their system for newer players
Are they going to cry together again
Lmao
Why is Kerr treating Draymond like the victim?
No wonder Draymond continues to act the way he does. He never has to take accountability
this dude’s the biggest player simp on earth.
never beating the ‘league’s best paid cheerleader’ allegations
Kerr is such a fucking pussy, you’re the coach, Dray needs to shut the fuck up
Why does Draymond green get away with everything all the time? I don’t understand??
There it is.
Draymond “The Donkey” Green really dicked Kerr down in front of the whole team.
Blow it up, chief.
Never learned.
Both Kerr and Dray have been holding Stephen Curry back since 2023.
Lmao he’s not that guy pal
you’d think Draymond was the franchise player not curry
Steph brings the talent and stable base. Dray brings the fire.
Yall saw what Dillon Brooks brought to Memphis Houston and Suns. Dray is the goat of that archetype.
Doesn’t excuse dray from all his asshole antics but this one might be on Kerr
It was a couple years ago in a playoff series, I don’t remember which one, Draymond already had 1 tech and 5 fouls. Ref called something Dray didn’t like and for the next 30 seconds Dray called this ref a MF to his face at least 10 times. Looking him in his face calling him a MF. Draymond gets to do and say things no other player can.
This whole Warriors thing was so predictable. West is brutal, they’re old af, combo of post-honeymoon Jimmy & Draymond is too much oxygen-sucking dickhead for one starting lineup to succeed with. Horford, who goofily left a franchise that would’ve without hesitation retired his number, a fan base who’d love him unconditionally no matter how mid his play, predictably, is washed & useless. For me as a Dubs hater, it’s really delightful (for the record, I was never a Dubs hater outside of the KD seasons til they dropped my guy Captain Klay & re-booted with all time dickwad Jimmy Butler to challenge Dray for fuckface dominance) I predict further eruptions & very public disintegration as the team continues to slide out of competetiveness
I would love for dray to do his usually dray bullshit and coop laugh in his face.
This is an abusive relationship
Damn I’m kinda feeling bad for Kerr at this point.
Yeah if you don’t know what an abusive relationship is and just like to say shit to say it, sure.
Lol ok
Folks whining about Kerr being an enabler - he’s not the franchise owner and can only maximize the outcome. There’s no win situation here disciplining him. He has no trade value. The legacy obsessed types are convinced players must retire with GSW. There’s no win here.
Folks whining about Kerr being an enabler -
Yeah how dare we expect the leader of the team to act like a goddamn leader
There’s no win situation here disciplining him.
The win is that you don’t look like a weak doormat bitch
lol in real life large organizations with complex moving pieces - you don’t get far acting like everything is an extension of your ego.
If the ownership were open to ridding themselves of Green, after the punch when he still had value, that would have been the time.
There’s no market for him now. They are stuck with him and the choice to make is whether you find utility for what is remaining or send him home to pocket the remaining salary.
Why don’t you pick a team first instead of supporting Adam silver?
This is a reddit brained attitude. It’s clear that at least in the NBA people don’t see Dray nearly as negatively as all the folks on reddit. Dudes on reddit constantly whine and cry and piss their pants wondering why Draymond hasn’t been banished from the NBA for a decade now, and for whatever reason fail to think that maybe it’s their opinions that are off base about him
Of all the people you could get on your knees and slobber over you picked Draymond Green
You picked the obvious petulant fucking child
Are you ok? You saw a mild comment pointing out the truth and replied like that? Where the hell is your mind lmao it’s Christmas bro turn your gooner brain off
You’re a child. The person you responded to doesn’t need to be a Draymond fan to have that opinion on the topic.
Only idiots or adolescents attribute the above opinion to glazing and slobbering.
Thank you for using your brain to actually consider why he would do this. One of the few in here that did.
When analysis agrees with my priors: using your brain
When someone notes the “legacy types” that let Klay walk instead of capitulate to his wants and make the team worse for it: brainlet
Sometimes, you gotta remind yourself that there are 12 year olds on here that you would never have a conversation with in real life. When you frame it that way, it’s easier to understand the stupidity.
it’s true.
How is any of this Kerr’s fault?
He’s continued to enable his behavior
I get that you’re a Warriors fan, but try to look at this objectively. Given everything Draymond has done over the years, do you really think Kerr has held him accountable? He’s the head coach after all.
I think this implies a coach player power dynamic that hasn’t really existed in the NBA for a while. The players have more power than ever, and I don’t think coaches who hold their players accountable like this last long. I’m not excusing Kerr, and certainly not excusing DG, he’s not a high quality person.
Idk if I agree with these pseudo “back in my day” takes. Does Spo not hold players accountable? Carlisle?
Spo is backed by Pat Riley and the ownership. Draymond is Lacob’s bff. The dynamic isn’t the same.
I guess what does accountability look like here? Actually interested to know objectively since the terms enabler and accountability always get thrown when talking about Kerr and draymond without examples
Maybe the rhetoric around the Jordan Poole incident should’ve focused on condemning a sucker punch instead of bitching about some amorphous code that was broken because the video leaked?
The most recent ejection against the Suns where he was shoving Collin Gillespie and Kerr got a tech defending his behavior?
Took me all of 30 seconds to come up with two prime examples of how Kerr could’ve handled things differently.
I don’t disagree about the Poole incident but your second case is Kerr should have not gotten up and get a technical? That’s just a weak example since coaches do this all the time. Especially with both suns games being officiated horribly on both sides by the refs
If he needs to parade around, he can give the refs an earful and walk away. He carried on past both of the technical free throws. That shows an unreasonable need to defend Draymond being bitchmade.
You can pick any one of the times Draymond kicked, stomped, shoved, slapped, choked, or pick your other “non-basketball move”. Kerr never held him accountable. And now he has this reputation and Warriors fans are shocked by that lmfao.
“Kerr never held him accountable”
Again, define what that is.
What did you want Kerr to specifically do?
Literally fucking anything dude. A suspension from the organization, not the NBA. A fine. Benching. Abstaining from defending his awful behavior to the media.
Anything besides the blanket pass he’s been given by the Warriors organization for 13 years.
Doesn’t he already get punished each time he gets a technical or flagrant by the NBA? That supersedes anything the warriors do. If he’s not getting a technical or flagrant, then what are the warriors specifically punishing? I don’t disagree with them fumbling the Poole situation but what can Kerr specifically do that the NBA isn’t already doing and considering in the CBA a player can’t be punished twice for an action?
He’s been benched after lengthy suspensions before, kerr has made media comments about draymond needing to be better containing his emotions.
Don’t think anyone on Reddit would be happy unless Kerr ripped him a new one publicly which a coach would never do or the warriors permanently bench him which wouldn’t make sense on a basketball level
Kerr should be doing more and certainly mishandled the Poole situation, but tbh he’s in a tricky spot. Dray is a HoF player who has the support of the owner and the greatest player in team history, the 2 people Kerr really can’t piss off. That makes it more difficult for Kerr to truly hold him accountable as Dray knows Lacob won’t let him be cut or traded and Steph (probably) won’t want him suspended.
You mean help build a dynasty? Draymond’s received what he’s earned.
Draymond’s received what he’s earned.
So he was totally in the okay with to punch a teammate in the face, cause he won them some rings?
Yeah. They’re millionaires, a little roughing up means nothing to them.
You’re the guy who just said under another comment that comparing their relationship to spousal abuse is too far, but now you’re here saying actual physical abuse is “a little roughing up”? Sounds like you might actually just be in bad faith brother.
Part of a coach’s job is to control their players. This is the same guy who was far more upset at whoever leaked the video of Draymond punching Poole than he was at Draymond for punching a teammate
Part of a coach’s job is to control their players.
Just don’t tell that to Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich or Jerry Sloan or anyone who ever coached Barkley and Chris Paul
Do we know what was said during the timeout?
because he feels like it is? and he was involved in the situation?
why are people on this site so convinced we have the first clue of what happened? you guys are such fucking handwringers
Kerr’s white guilt is at an all-time high.
Did the white guilt start after he named his son Nick?
This is a hilarious comment to make considering the reason people don’t like Draymond is because he constantly acts like an overgrown toddler
This is a hilarious comment to make considering the reason people don’t like draymond because they’re hive mind mentality of draymond owning them for the last decade
Or ya know, kicking people in the nuts, choking people from behind, punching his own teammate, flailing wildly, pulling players down to the ground as he’s flailing wildly, stepping/stomping on grounded players, screaming at refs, shoving refs, should I keep going?
Then why don’t people hate Steph like that? Ya know, the guy on the team who is actually the reason that the warriors owned the league for several years
So when you say pussies, you are referring to Kerr, correct?
Lol, with the Mavs flair too.
Flair up, pussy!