Derrick White on becoming the first-ever Celtic with 30 points, 4 blocks, 4 assists, 4 rebounds and 9 made threes: “I feel the more stats you put into it the less it means.”
Pretty sure if you add enough stats to it you can do this every game.
First player to score 14 points while playing 21 minutes and 34 seconds
Thaddeus Young is the greatest player of all time named Thaddeus Young who was born on his birthday by his mama.
That graphic still fucking kills me lmao
One of my favorites honestly because he was a good player.
Def a stat monster. He could do everything.
I have it framed on my wall
Facts!
My guess though is that almost all NBA players would be the “greatest player of all time named” whatever their name is.
Exactly, and if you need to just add decimals to the time played.
First player to score 8 free throws, after doing the butt finger-sniff move.
Uhh he made 9 threes and had 4 Blocks that is worth noting it’s never been done before IMO as that combination is strange as hell.
Long 3 and a big d
I feel like talking about threes and total points is redundant. The threes aren’t any more important than how he scored anything else. It’d be like saying he got 30 points and 7 dunks
Yeah, agreed. Unless it’s specifically impressive because of the threes, like Klay’s single-game record for example, it shouldn’t really matter how you got the points
It’s just a rare combination I personally don’t think it’s impressive just because it’s rare. eg. Someone who blocks shots being good at 3s, someone good at rebounding being good at assisting, etc.
And if they asked “How does it feel to have 9 made threes and 4 blocks” he would give a different answer. But when you add all the qualifiers it sounds like Darth Helmet describing his relationship to Lonestar.
Throwing in made 3s is always how they twist these into “first time ever” things cause up until like 5-10 years ago, no one was remotely close to taking as many attempts as they do now
It’s definitely noteworthy but it’s not that crazy. There were multiple guys who blocked shots and spotted up on the other end.
Manute Bol used to shoot 3’s regularly and had 6 threes and 3 blocks in a game.
Raef Lafrentz had 4 threes and 7 blocks in a game.
Myles Turner put up 4 threes and 6 blocks in a game.
And of course Victor, 8 threes and 3 blocks in a game, and will do it a lot more.
Manute bol made 43 threes over 10 years so would not call that regularly. 1⁄7 of all his threes ever came from that one game which is actually hilarious
He had a season (1989) where he played 80 games and averaged 1 three-point attempt a game when NBA teams as a whole only averaged 6.6 a game. Especially when he only played 22 minutes a game making his average per-36 closer to 2 a game.
Ok for the time and who he is thats actually a lot of attempts for that one year. Wonder why they had him take so many
Any stat combo that includes made threes is essentially limited to the last 10 years.
Wemby: hold my beer
oh they do. Do you even reddit?
Home of the celebration of the oddly specific stat line
It’s the NBA’s version of the participation trophy, to make everyone feel special for the most random things.
Isn’t that the exact point White is making?
Yes but let’s directly make fun of it by making up random extra things to count so it’s an achievement.
baseball ass stat. What about on a Saturday with 9 threes, 3 twizzler pull and peels, crunchy Skittles, 2 steals, and fuck it some eggnog and 2 more steals.
All done for the first time since the 1889 season
Wait until they start adding the calendar into the mix.
“First player to do x,y,z under a full moon in the year of the bull”
Now they’re just ridiculous because they basically lump 1 good stat with a collection of arbitrary and rather boring stats. 4 assists? 4 rebounds? I guess that makes that reporter the first reporter ever to make a point of calling out those numbers.
They should do it to him every game. See how long it takes someone to start arguing that he’s a Celtics great.
Every game, somebody puts on their detective hat and starts doing just that.
I want to see things rounded to 5s too. Like you’re the first guy to get 30/5/5/5 in something? Fantastic, when you’re the first guy to get 31/8/3/4 that doesn’t matter.
Not really, some stat lines just don’t happen every night no matter how you slice it.
Especially when you include 3pm cause those have only been a core part of the game for about 10 years
It’s like that Thaddeus Young graphic.
What’s even funnier as a young bulls fan I was using that graphic to be hyped for his signing
He was actually pretty good for us but yeah not quite the level of those others
Fell just short really
It’s sad, most fans could see he was a hyrbid of Bird, Magic, Lebron and MJ, but as you said he just didn’t quite pop the same.
He couldn’t do anything that Larry, Lerbon or Michael could do, but he was a hybrid of them so he could only play like Thaddeus.
Ya and imagine if he played baseball, probably would have been an Ohtani type
Used to love him in fantasy lol
OMG, that’s classic. 😭
the thing that makes that one even funnier is that all of the individual bars are pretty low. i bet you could have a fun time taking each individual stat listed there and finding the worst possible player to hit that line. like just from a very quick look:
That’s billionaire junior bridge man to you, sir
Believe it or not, the 3P% and the FG% are actually not Thad Young’s at the time. The FG% is 49% because you lose Bird and Jordan unless you want to round them up and the 3P% is actually Magic’s.
My other favorite fact about the Thad Young club is that he’s no longer in it and no one new has joined since.
That makes it even better
Every fact I’ve learned about this graphic has made it better.
Thadgic Johnson
Was looking for this comment 🤣
One of the best if not the best stat graphics of all time
Polar bear in Arlington Texas vibes
Fun fact: the day this graphic aired was the only time it was accurate
That was a generational graphic lol
Magic looking jacked
Yeah when you’re being compared to those classic all time players then maybe you shouldn’t be.
At the end Thad Young no longer had Thad Young stats.
They even used a pic of Magic from his 96 comeback. It doesn’t look right.
Sixers legend thad young
Needs to be a game, what’s the worst player you can put in a group of X HoFers with Y or fewer stats.
Joe Buck stats
Congrats to Derrick but these stat combos are just silly…
They should keep it to the 5 basic counting stats at least.
Made 3s essentially keeps it to the last ~35 years also. Makes the “Ever” or “All-Time” part less meaningful than it sounds at first glance.
You mean Bob Cousy never made 9 3s in a game? Well ofc not
I’m happy he said it. I hope more players clown these ridiculous stats and hopefully that stops the media from telling us this useless stuff.
While I dont see players “clowning” these statistical achievements, I also dont see them ever placing any personal importance on them. Its almost 100% media and fan driven. So perhaps White is just saying what all players feel. So its not that players need to condemn these stats, its fans that need to stop caring.
He literally said ‘yeah it’s pretty cool’ and people think he shares reddits weird hate boner for these cherry picked statline things. It’s just a cool little statistical quirk no reason to get bent out of shape. The sentiment towards it is really weird esp considering you’d think redditors would be amused by numbers
That’s pretty much what he said about it too. Like, we’re just making up shit to be impressed by at this point because there are guys regularly putting up 30 point triple doubles with 15 assists or rebounds.
So many qualifiers just to be able to say “he made history”.
Nah I think he’s the best player name Derrick white to ever play the game of basketball
Yeah, he gets it. Like theyre just making up milestones with some of these. Dude wants to win, hes not too concerned about stats.
Yes but they’re fun. Idk why people hate these so much and feel like they have to well actually
I remember one time last season Divencenzo had a “first ever” statline like this (something about PTs, Revounds, made 3’s off the bench in history) and I got downvoted to hell and back for calling it cherry picking. Glad to see I was just in the wrong thread and not just crazy
I like how in the end he’s not even the first player to do that very cherry-picked specific combo - just the first celtic haha
Conditional stats suck
Arent all stats conditional?
Averaging a triple double is meaningful. So is being in the 50/40/90 club.
First player to average 20/5/7 on 50% TS while having a +- of at least +10 before the 15th game of the season is just incredibly nitpicky.
Stats aren’t inherently more meaningful if they’re divisible by 10.
Also, the 50-40-90 club is a stat that has not aged well with the increase in 3PT shooting. In 2017-18, Steph shot 59.5% from 2PT, 42.3% from 3PT, and 92.1% from FT, but didn’t make the club because his FG% was 49.5%. His overall efficiency was actually higher than the year that he did make the club (2015-16) - the difference was that he attempted more threes, which brought his FG% down.
I remember there was a stat like curry having higher 2pt and 3pt percentages than kyrie but kyrie still having higher fg% because steph just attempts way more 3s.
It’s called Simpson’s Paradox in stats!
Steph’s career:
2p - .525
3p - .423
FG - .471
TS - .626
Kyrie’s career:
2p - .514
3p - .394
FG - .474
TS - .584
This is true, but at least it reduces the number of possible combinations and prevents this post-hoc numerology. Same sort of thing in science, there’s nothing inherently special about a 5% false positive rate, but if you let everyone pick their own threshold they just pick whatever makes their research look good.
the 50-40-90 club is a stat that has not aged well with the increase in 3PT shooting.
Yeah, it should probably be 2pt - 3pt - ft. Not sure what the standard would be though for the first slot though. Still 50?
League average from 2 is 54.7%, I lean closer to 60 for the cutoff
Arbitrary milestones aren’t inherently more meaningful, you couldn’t argue that a 25/9/10 statline is worse than a 22/10/10 one
Conditions are fine and can add context to make a statline or performance more understandably meaningful. It’s a problem when people pile them on so they can write catchy headlines like “White is the first Celtic ever” rather than “White had a great performance”
Ya you can probably find different combinations of random stats that every player has done if you really look for them.
Most left handed layups made after 4 minutes in the game on Tuesday.
This is exactly what I mean. They could’ve added “by a bald player” to make it even more conditional
Yes, but their supposed the be the conditions I like /s
Well, it depends
First player to do it wearing Depends. That would be somethin’!
They would include it in the anals of history
If you drop the 30 points it actually becomes more interesting. Including both points and made 3s is redundant and always makes me less invested in a stat.
Or leave out the points: 9 threes and 8 combined blocks and steals is pretty nuts to be honest, I can’t imagine that’s happened very often.
I wonder if it elimintated anybody who had 9 made 3s, but less than 30 points.
I guess they do still have to score 3 more points so maybe?
The funnier thing is that it’s just a team record for such a specific stat line. If this was NBA wide, it still would be meaningless, but, even for a storied team like the Celtics, it’s beyond silly
But then you’d be removing 30 points and 9 3s which are very good standalone stats.
This is how I feel about that stupid pentagami concept that is a worse version of scorigami.
They forgot to add he was the first to do it on a Friday ffs btw
I think they are neat as some fun little side stuff on reddit for the super stat nerds. But yeah when it’s on like a primetime broadcast or asking players about it, it’s ridiculous.
The pentagami is in an interesting concept though. Maybe it would be more elegant with 4 stat categories but 5 really isn’t too bad.
pentagami concept ?
It’s kind of hard to wrap your head around but essentially if a player posts a stat line which has never been done or improved, it’s a pentagami.
The most recent was Luka two days ago. His stat line was 45 PTS | 11 REB | 14 AST | 5 STL | 0 BLK
The reason it’s a pentagami is because no one has ever posted at least 45 PTS | 11 REB | 14 AST | 5 STL | 0 BLK with more in one category.
So Luka’s game would no longer be a pantagami if someone posts any of the following lines
46 PTS | 11 REB | 14 AST | 5 STL | 0 BLK
45 PTS | 12 REB | 14 AST | 5 STL | 0 BLK
45 PTS | 11 REB | 15 AST | 5 STL | 0 BLK
45 PTS | 11 REB | 14 AST | 6 STL | 0 BLK
45 PTS | 11 REB | 14 AST | 5 STL | 1 BLK
ah interseting
Some stats are great coz they show dominance like 60 or 50 point triple doubles, quadruple doubles (if it ever happens), 10+ made threes, 20+ points 20+ rebounds, most points in fewest minutes, most points with 0 TOs, fastest to score ____ etc. But other than that, it’s just silly cherry picking.
Quadruple doubles have happened The Dream got one. Larry Bird was one steal away (30 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, and 9 steals in the 3rd quarter) from getting one against the Jazz but checked himself out of the game saying, “I’ve beaten them enough.”
That’s more badass than getting it tbh
That was silly, but Derrick White seriously one of the best underrated players in the NBA.
30 points, 4 blocks and 4 steals is honestly an amazing game
It doesn’t even paint the whole picture tbh. He ended the game by himself in the 4th. He was fucking everywhere it was such a dominant performance. The cherry picked record is fucking ridiculous but he at least deserves the glaze.
I’m just here to say I want to be friends with Derrick White. I don’t even want to talk basketball or anything I just want to grab a regular ice with him and run errands.
Did you have a good relationship with your father? Me neither. These are all things we can talk about and more.
I am sure our relationship would be a real slam dunk!
Oh god there are stickers
Here’s the blueprint
Regular ice? Typo? Or does that mean beer?
He not wrong
That’s hilarious and kind of true
Similar to what they do in the NFL. “This is the first game ever to be played outdoors on a Sunday with a cumulonimbus cloud overhead while both teams have red in their jersey color schemes.”
And he’s right.
Holy eyelashes 💅💅
Might have the most beautiful eyeballs in the biz
He’s right. Good for him calling out the ridiculous obsession with concocted stat lines
Finally someone said it
Gotta say, im now a fan of Derrick White.
Im glad someone else is tired of these stupid arbitrary achievement statlines the NBA touts. Call it hyperbolic but im telling you, in a couple years we’re going to see “…. on a Tuesday” added.
“The Suns won tonights game due to Devin Booker’s record setting night. He is the first player in NBA history with a statline of 34 points, 4 rebounds and 7 assists, while it was snowing in Japan and raining in Ireland.”
Derrick White rules and everybody should be a fan of his
We have to stop these conditional, weird exception stats. He played a great game but asking these guys reactions to this ? Like what do you want them to say
I really don’t care about any stats that included made threes. It basically means “In the last 10 years” given how volume has gone up. It also doesn’t matter much. If you want to throw in TS%, I’ll accept it.
He’s not wrong. This is one of the most arbitrary statlines I’ve ever seen.
It’s funny how finding a way to call this the first ever means everyone’s focused on how dumb it is, when we could have all just said man this dude had an incredible game.
It’s always funny when networks go so deep into stat hunting just to make it seem like some historic feat.
“Player A is the first player in NBA history to with at least B points, C rebounds, D assists, E blocks and a FG% of at least F while playing on his birthday at home on the 2nd night of a back to back where the game the prior night was on the road. That’s right, Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Wilt, none of them ever did this.”
….since Wilt Chamberlain.
You are only player to take 763 steps in the locker room before a Monday night game in a city where the average temperature is less than 50 Fahrenheit.
He’s right, one of those fake espn stats
Everyone wants to be a “numbers guy” nowadays. I swear all these junk stats are an effect of gambling sites looking for more ways to take your money
This is what happens when there are too many poindexters on the production
Derrick is not a believer in the Thagic Johnson school of statlines
He’s right. It doesn’t mean jack shit.
First player with 2 dunks, 3 threes, 5 assists, and 6 FTs made since 2001. Their stats are always so bad.
Most of these stats announcements are all so dumb to me. You can always find a stat-line for everything. It becomes meaningless when it’s done as much as it is these days. _First 30 year old, 2% Alaskan, 6% Irish, O- blood-type, and size 13 shoe to score 20 points with 2 rebounds.
Enough with all that bull shit
😭 and he’s not wrong
He’s right. He‘s probably the first with 9 threes or at least 9 threes and 4 blocks, which by itself is very hard to accomplish. Adding the other stats actually diminishes the whole feat as it looks like cherry picking.
Really unfortunate that this is the case here, cause in practically every other conversation D White is applauded for his ability to accumulate stats. I think we let this one slide and just give the man his flowers.
That’s the 14th one-run game for the Tigers already this year, tops for any team north of the Mason-Dixon line whose home games are not played in a dome.
Haven’t been keeping up with the NBA much this year but I just checked the Celtics record & im surprised they’re 16-11
Call me crazy but I actually think it’s interesting and cool that in a sense, Derrick white played a one of a kind game. It doesn’t have to be deeper than that or an indicator of something, but it just is what it is.
He is 100% right. These cherry picked multiple criteria statlines are extremely arbitrary. It’s natural that each time you add a criteria it narrows more.
I liken it to me rolling a 1 million sided die, and then going “wow the odds of it landing on that number were 1 in a million!”
But NBA media is drawn to this garbage like moths to a flame
He’s 100% right here. This is an incredibly cherry-picked list of stats.
Who remembers when ESPN would do this after like 60% of LeBron’s games on the bottom ticker?
“James is first player over 6’7 to score at least 24 points with at least 5 rebounds and 7 assists to shoot over 51% on a visiting team playing Indiana.”
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Same.
Reminds me of the Orioles. They were 100 game losers already and the broadcast would be like “Adam Jones is the best hitter on up in the zone fast balls on Tuesday nights on the road in the entire American League”
Honestly, the main thing that’s impressive is the 4 blocks…
Finally someone says it in these interviews lmao
This is the Bron era of stats, you can thank King circle jerk for this culture. That narrative has been forced on us by sports media to try and validate Bron for not getting all the rings they wanted him to. Make something else more important as a distraction form what really matters
Me too
I can promise you this will not be in any record book.
Combo stats are fake unless it’s all divisible by 5
I think the made 3s are silly to add to these, it excludes so many other great performances from before the modern 3 point evolution and don’t necessarily add much to the stat line
Throw “on the winter solstice” on there
He’s damn right. The league needs you to pretend every unique combination of numbers is a historic achievement to draw attention. If we did this back in the 80s and 90s when most stat lines were new we’d get sick of it so fast.
First person to ever play this particular game that has 1 in 1x10^37 chance of happening due to ALL possible outcomes, CONGRATULATIONS
Would have been way cooler to just hit 30 on 10 made 3s. For that matter, what’s the record for highest point total in a game with solely made 3-pointers?
Not a real stat
as a reporter, how do you even bring yourself to ask that
30 points must be unnecessary given that 9x3=27
The other day in the Premier league that stat was the Manchester has the longest unbeaten run after winning at halftime. Like who the fuck cares lol. It almost sounds like when people get a fancy title for a regular job.
The combo-stat package thing is even worse in football.
Im the first spectator with my SSN to ever watch him do it.
Lmao
Thank you!
“…9 made threes on the second Thursday in December of a non-leap year”
Yeah anytime somebody adds made 3s, you know they just grasping for shit😭
Didn’t he have 6 assists
100% Facts. We need more players speaking out on these extra stats.
That’s why we should always stop at double doubles
He’s right, you know…
… while playing exactly 34:45 minutes on a Friday in December!
Thank you Derrick. Now tell all the people on Reddit who watch stats instead of basketball.
That’s why he’s our Buffalo, speaking straight facts
DeHumorous
Whenever you add 3 pointers made or dunks or something it’s just silly. You’re already counting the points, that’s really only relevant to show how the game has changed
Truest words
He said what I think everytime I see posts about stats like this.
Well said.
Pretty hard to make 9’s and not get 30 points.
Saying how many points and how many threes feels redundant.
Like, we get it. He had a decent number of points and 3’s. But to say “first Celtic in history” with this random combination of points and 3’s is silly.
i think you could have achieved this same stat by uniting it to 9 3s and 4 blocks
Exactly, who the hell cares about these cherrypicked stats ffs. “first player ever to score 32 with 8 rebounds, 5 steals and less than 2 turnovers on a Thursday when it’s raining”
Next person to get this stat like will get an additional qualifier of having ate 2 chik fil A sandwiches 🥪 to make it sound more impressive
He’s right, all these random stats are lame lol
As someone who has always been primarily a soccer fan over basketball, I always thought it was bizarre how the NBA does these star combos. You don’t really see this in soccer, and it is just like he said, the more stats the more a record loses its meaning
ESPN is going to hate him but he’s right
Got lucky w courtside tickets to raps/celts tn and one of my observations was White is a rly funny and likeable guy