Last year the Cleveland Cavaliers were 23-4 they are now 15-13 that is 8 win Decrease from last season
They were 23-4 last year on December 16th they are now 15-13 on December 17th that is an 8 win decrease from last season
that is an 8 win decrease from last season
Oh, so people DO like The Diff
Thank you for making me laugh through the pain.
The Diff is the new Beam. Changing the game
Is the diff a Cleveland specific thing? That makes a ton of sense, didn’t realize I only saw it on Cleveland games
Math checks out, everyone.
I hate this advanced analytics stuff. Ruins the game!
Those nerds with their statistics smh
Ty Jerome isn’t walking through that door.
He hasn’t been walking anywhere. Sadly he’s been in street clothes all season.
Also Garland has barely played
Stinks when he does play, he’s forever cooked with that toe issue because he’s even more of a cone on defense
he might need to to take extended time off, i swear that toe issue just keeps coming back
Garland has played enough to see he’s just unplayable on a serious team.
Garlo is sadly shit house nowadays
With absolutely no stats to back this up, it feels like Garland barely plays.
craziest thing is mitchell is playing at all nba level again.
Its literally health + everyone else has been bad
Didn’t they just lose to GSW without Steph, Butler AND Dray? Sure Cavs have been banged up but a lot of teams have been hurt. Tyson has been pretty nice, too.
100% can’t use the injury excuse. Hunter, Wade, Ball, and Allen have all looked uninterested for large parts of the season, defense is non-existent, and the offense is stalled.
Hoping that Merrill and Strus put some spacing back into the lineup and it energizes some guys, we get healthy at the right time, etc. But Kenny is gonna need to work hard to get the offense and defense working again either way.
They don’t play defense. Simple as that.
yeah but like, how? Garrett Allen, Mobley and Lonzo are are good to great defenders, even D Mitch isn’t completely useless. Garland really just that awful or what? I remember that double big line up being a problem last year and with Lonzo it should have been a top 5 defense, so what happened?
Margin for error is very very slim at such a high level. If the team’s overall fitness and chemistry levels dropped slightly compared to last year, it shows on the court.
Lonzo has been almost unplayable this year. Allen/Mobley are paint defenders sure… but the perimeter is where they get smoked. Just look at highlights every time what you’ll see is opponents with ZERO resistance as they drive to the rim.
Seems like it might be a coaching issue. Knicks went through something similar last year. Had the right pieces but couldn’t get any of them to fit.
Blaming health when they have enough talent to beat tanking teams.
And ppl have the gall to blame it on Spida lol
I was told that last year it was the coach, so this year it must be the coach
Losing Jordan Ott was a bigger deal than I think anyone realized. Ott was regarded as one of the main architects of the Cavs offense, which was one of the most efficient in the league last season. Former Cavs assistant coach DeMarre Carroll described him as “effectively running Cleveland’s offense”, highlighting his role in designing and implementing offensive schemes.
The issue is not the Cavs offense — they don’t play defense. They can’t stop or slow down anyone because the perimeter defense is so bad the offense doesn’t really matter.
I thought Mobley is DPOY?
he is the entire defense lol, didnt play tn and bulls had 70+ paint points. there poa defense is TERRIBLE. it was a layup line
No wonder the Suns are doing relatively well (at least better than my expectations).
Didn’t realize this and that he’s the head coach of the suns now. It makes a lot of sense with how the suns are popping this season despite not having the roster talent of the Cavs
Feels like the basketball hopes is done and it’s not even Christmas.
Sorry all that Cavs got a Christmas slot. They don’t deserve it.
in this eastern conference? they are still in this and i would be a fool to count them out
hard to not count them out when they gotta beat 2 of detroit, new york and boston who’ll probably have tatum back by then
Modern medicine is incredible. I can’t believe how quick someone can return after an achilles now.
I’m not buying Tatum’s return this season until I see him on the court and scoring 25
People are doing a lot of assuming. Even if he does come back this season, what do people think? He’s gonna quickly be ramped up to playing starting rotation minutes right away? Hell no.
Don’t forget getting beat down by the Bulls and losing to the Hornets.
Playin is the likely outcome. If the Cavs match up against a physical team we be sent home.
Even after tonight’s loss we are 1.5 games out of the 3-seed
We won 60+ games last year and still lost in the 2nd round. Regular season doesn’t matter anyway
Merry Knicksmas
I recently looked up the christmas games and was surprised to see the Cavs. And with all due respect to your team last season, but there is no way that yall are not just the emergency backup plan after Hali injury. I mean Cavs Knicks, is there any history there?
Is Kenny Atkinson a fraud
Right now yes, if they win more no, just depends
This is how you rate coaches
I mean…. Sarcasm aside, yea?
No not ye, judging coaches on that is mega stupid but you can do it though
if doc rivers won a bunch of playoff series’ in 5 games, no one would be calling him a fraud. at the end of the day wins matter a LOT in sport, especially for a leader/coach.
So judging coaches on whether a team wins is stupid. Ok. I’m with you. Go on.
Winning is a part of it, but most people judge coaches strictly based on W-L
Assessing people based on performance is so antiquated
Assessing people who can’t sense sarcasm is so good though
We can smell our own.
Is JB Bickerstaff the best coach in the Central?
Can we retroactively give coach of the year to JB Bickerstaff
Hopefully he’s getting it this year
JB sucks. That’s facts. He gets young teams to play hard. Whoop dee fucking do — he’s going to be the worst coach in any playoff series because he’s strictly a motivator not a strategist.
Well you guys could sure use a motivator right now because all the strategy in the world isn’t making up the fact that the Cavs play soft as shit
I mean they literally got stomped by the Knicks with JB so no It didn’t make a difference.
lmao all that 2nd apron talent and ‘strategy’ and theyre damn near .500 while JB is 21-5 with a young team on the rise
best thing that ever happened to him was being let go from that sinking ship
Offensive scheme for JB is give to one player and play hero ball with no adjustments
Or maybe that is Donivan Mitchell and Darius Garland ball. Watch the passing in the Pistons this year even with Cade, you would be surprised.
That isn’t how they played last year. Last year had tons of passing.
Team regressed plus injuries
Trading for Hunter will be proven to be a mistake
Caris Levert and Georges Niang aren’t exactly lighting it up either
Jordan Ott merchant it seems
This is a roster makeup issue not coaching — they don’t play defense.
I think the Cavs just blow. Their best players (except for Mitchell) look awful this season. People have been bringing up Garland but Vucevic took Allen to pound town tn
Was it the Hornets game? They showed a clip of him saying something like “No the sky isn’t falling, the world isn’t ending, bad things aren’t going on” and on one hand you get it but with the last two games especially its starting to feel like denial
Can’t be any more fraudulent than JB Bickerstaff.
Hey at least he’s better than Bickerstaff amirite?
Nah he’s a good coach Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley are very limited skill set wise and haven’t gotten better.
Only one of them can that be said about
Come back when you’ve watched a complete game. Of any NBA team.
Boring cop out because Mobley has added nothing offensively and is built like a twig. Mitchell is a bigger McCollum and is ok with losing as long as he gets his ppg avg.
I can’t say I’ve watched a ton of either of them recently but the version of them in my head would be a pretty competitive team even if everyone else is mediocre. I’m surprised they’re struggling so much
Wtf happened to them? Is it regression? Injuries?
They’ve been brutally injured but I think most people are thinking it’s not just the injuries. Team just looks way off.
Pacers took their aura
They aren’t physical enough. If the threes aren’t falling to open up the floor they are screwed
e: everybody besides donovan
Most of the team is finally exposed as bums who overachieved last year. Just look at that lack of playoff success with this core. The only people I’d wanna keep on this team are Donovan, Mobley, Tyson, Strus, CPJ, Proctor, and Tomlin
Jarrett Allen was injured.
Mobley is now injured. Still hasn’t really taken a leap on offense.
Sam Merrill is injured.
Ball is kind of ass.
Hunter is kind of ass.
Garland is still injured and mega ass.
Loss of Ott
They don’t play defense. Injuries haven’t helped but it’s mostly just shitty defense regardless of who plays.
Ty Jerome is a huge loss as well, having a point guard off the bench that shot 51/44/87 splits was huge for them.
Now Cleveland is the 9th seed in the east and their pick is projected to be in the lottery, but Atlanta has it, giving Atlanta their second lottery pick in the draft (the other of course being the New Orleans pick).
MIL too right?
Atlanta gets the higher pick between New Orleans and Milwaukee
I doubt Cleveland ends the season in the lottery. They’ve had bad injury luck.
There’s still plenty of time to right the ship
23-15 Can someone do the math for me? I wanna know if OP is bullshitting or not.
I did the math and 23-15 actually equals 8
Wow. Thanks
23 - 15 = 8?!
Jordan Ott was the real COTY
Last season we had effectively no injuries through January.
This season our core 4 has played three games together and our 5 starters haven’t played yet.
I wonder what the difference between these two seasons is…
8 games apparently. OP even did the math
Three issues I think - last year they smoked people with their bench units. Strus being hurt and Okoro/Jerome leaving has sapped a lot of that. Lonzo has been pretty bad and Jaylon Tyson hasn’t been enough to overcome this.
Second off of this, they have just been injured. Let me see Mitchell/Garland/Strus/Mobley/Allen healthy before I completely write them off.
Third, Garland and Hunter have been bad bad. They are due for a little positive regression to the mean on their shooting.
Jarrett Allen has been hurt and even when he’s on hes fallen off a bit.
Mobley is the exact same player as last year, good but limited offensively.
Darius Garland has also only played 11⁄29 games
Those Garland minutes are somehow going to the tattered remains of Lonzo Ball which is a nightmare to watch
Im ngl, DeAndre Hunter is one of the most empty stats basketball players ive ever seen. His numbers look solid but he doesnt seem to impact the game.
Donovan Mitchell can do no wrong. Love that guy.
Also, sometimes teams dont evolve and then stagnate. I think watching Cleveland in the playoffs they kinda got figured out.
They are waiting for Max Strus to come back and save the season. I don’t know if that is going to move the needle.
Injuries, going from Jerome whos more of a scoring guard to a passing guard like Ball, losing Ott who was the offensive mind of the coaching staff, teams now figuring out how to play against the cavs. They didnt really move the needle during the offseason.
Team needs everyone to be healthy to achieve their full potential. But in this nba that is a weakness, a lot of teams have injuries but still compete or have somehow looked better without their stars. Cavs depth is also worse than people thought
Ball has been a complete disaster. The rest is injuries. MAYBE Mobley being so disinterested.
Yeah Ball replacing what Ty Jerome brought is a huge factor. Regardless of what happened in playoffs he was an underrated pillar of last years team
Losing one of our assistant coaches has truly hurt it seems, maybe lost more then one but I know of one and I miss him
Thanks Magic
This year’s regular season makes sense with last year’s playoffs. I’ll never understand how they pulled off that regular season last year.
Is that bad?
Good math
And they got blown out tonight by the Chicago Bulls, who have been the worst team in the NBA for the past month.
Whoa, this guy maths
They started 15-0 now 15-13
There’s just too many role players on this team that they’re counting on who lack creativity to their game. Lonzo, Craig Porter, Tomlin, Dean Wade, etc.
Math
TIL 23-15 is 8. HOLY SHIT
My condo on Garland island has seen better days.
I hired an etsy witch to curse them for laughing at Giddey getting injured in that “crossover” (it was an unrelated fall!)
-8
/r/theydidthemath
That’s an 8-game increase if you’re Benjamin Button so there’s that
Playoffs only thing that matters
Cavaliers fans who’ve watched every game: what’s the reason for the team’s struggles this season?
They don’t play defense. Even if they lack the defensive talent? They pose no effort. If opposing teams get a rebound, they have to push in transition because the Cavs do not at all defend in transition.
I said two weeks ago they were on fraud watch, am here we are.
Give or take a game or two it’s really only a 6 or 7 win difference
8 more losses, but it’s only 1⁄3 the season in. At this rate, that means 24 more losses on the season. Goodness gracious.
They’re a 1.5 games behind 3rd place, feels like people are super overreacting. Not everybody has been healthy, but hopefully they put it together soon.
Question is are the Pistons the Cavs of last year 🤔
thanks EbbBig1394
They’ve changed basically nothing for years and keep getting bounced in round 2. They were bound to decline.
That’s some good math, college boy
Well it’s not like it worked out well for them last year. Maybe they can still make a playoff run as a lower seed
I can’t believe anyone thought they were going anywhere last season. It’s a Cleveland sports team. LeBrawn Jaymes ain’t walkin thru that door for them either
8 win decrease
8 loss increase 🤭
Math genius
New Utah jazz of the east.
I think healthy Darius Garland is a very underrated player.
He’s the biggest reason with Hunter that team has declined, look at his on/offs this year
He’s hasn’t been 100% though
Man he ain’t all that either, he got offence but that’s about it
For sure. Last December he looked potential All-NBA. What a difference a year and an injury can make.
Everyone was saying Cavs favorite out east and they prolly gunna be in the playin. This is wild
Proud of not getting tricked by that team
nobody cares, and yes, I do care enough to tell you that
I agree, Cavs are ass.
after what happened in the playoffs idk if there was anything to be tricked by