[Highlight] A better replay angle of Amen Thompson fouling Tim Hardaway Jr. with his left shin prior to inbound, with 2.3 seconds remaining in regulation
They pulled the sky cam they used last season on LeBron đ
The one that made Doris Burke say âoh noâ?
Lâebron got pstd seeing this camera angle come out
He sufferin from that pspsps
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They used it for nuggets/clippers series for Gordon’s buzzer beater alley oop dunk
This is the same cam they used to check whether the AG buzzer beater dunk in the Nuggets/Clippers series got off in time. I’d never seen this angle before that, must’ve missed the time you’re talking about.
It was when LeBron fouled Ant on a last minute play that they initially called out of bounds on Ant. This replay showed LeBron hit his arm and led to points for the wolves, helping them pull off the win.
I honestly thought this wouldn’t be seen again LOL
They couldnât show this one angle on the main feed?? Showed us 47 replays of the front facing angle that shows nothing instead lmao.
This was the very last replay the Nuggets Broadcast showed so it might have just been the national broadcast didn’t have it in time.
Only Denver’s broadcast showed it. Houston showed a different one than Peacock (all shitty angles), but only showed THJr tripping on himself
This is really the key angle that needs to be shown on the broadcast for people to not be mad
itâs one of those weird situations where thompson bumps his leg inwards just enough for him to trip himself
Wherever I was getting my feed from showed this angle
“my feed”
We hear you buddy
Bootleg always the goat
Link 3, I believe
I mean, a foul is a foul. Accident is irrelevant. If you trip a guy on an inbounds it is absolutely a “basketball” foul.
And Brown didn’t mean to impede Durant’s landing spot, yet he got an upgraded “reckless landing spot foul” that gave the Rockets 2 free throws plus the ball back, because rules are rules, intentional or not.
it really sucks when great games have weird things happen at the end for sure
I mean. The result was just more basketball in OT. It didnt decide the game entirely
the Altitude network showed it
All the replays from Peacock seemed to not show any alternative angles and often just repeated the same inconclusive vantage point.
Peacock broadcast somehow seems to have worse replay angles than TNT
I’ve gotta delete some comments
You and many others đ
honestly as a football (soccer) fan where this happens constantly it was so crystal clear from the first replay i saw in the og post. any time you see someone appearing to ‘kick themselves’ when turning in front of someone chasing them, it’s almost always a light clip to the trailing foot which then hits the runner’s own leg and causes a tumble, it’s textbook and I was so annoyed that they kept talking about hands, or the later kick, and never showed the important part which was this, the initial imbalance.
respect honestly, garbage peacock crew did no one any favors
I swear they didn’t show this angle.
They only did on the nuggets broadcastâŚthe peacock crew somehow missed it
It was like last second on the Nuggets replay. Like as Murray was shooting the free throw. So it was probably just late getting out. And then peaxock didn’t go back to it.
It wasn’t even last second. You can see this was right after the announcement of the call. That’s why the announcer is going “ooooh” because he was surprised by it initially. You can see it was before Murray even lined up for the free throw.
Which of course made all the Nuggets fans sound like homers lol
Nuggets broadcast had it in like less than two minutes of the review. No idea why the Peacock one couldn’t get it.
Even without this angle I feel like itâs pretty obvious what happened, on all the replays Hardaway loses balance when their legs come together before the screen just need some level of intelligence
Nah itâs 2025 just double down and say this was AI
Some of you in the comments of the previous post said there was a better angle on the Nuggets’ broadcast, they were right.
Yeah⌠I was withholding judgement until I saw this angle. Thatâs a foul.
Yeah it really sucks cause they just get tangled enough but its just a weird one.
It’s pretty borderline contact but at the end of the day it causes Hardaway to trip which affects the play. Right call imo but only just.
Yeah, I’m a pretty big “there should be way more non-calls” person but if the ref had a good view of this, that is a foul. That is good reffing they are getting slammed for.
im neutral and pretty new to basketball, so genuinely trying to understand: how would this be a foul? does all contact mean foul except “natural shooting motion”? cause it looks like amen didn’t do this willingly?
It doesnât need to be a shooting motion to be a foul. A foul is any illegal contact that impedes an opponentâs movement or ability to play, whether the ball is involved or not.
Here, contact to the back of the leg while a player is running at full speed is not âincidental.â Even a light kick to the calf or heel from behind disrupts the natural stride cycle, which is why he goes down. The fall is the result, the foul is the contact that caused the loss of balance.
Hardaway Jr. also has a right to:
⢠the space heâs already occupying, and ⢠the direct line of motion heâs currently moving in.
The only way to legally stop that is to establish your own space first, meaning you get set in front of him so he runs into you. You donât get to take away someoneâs lane by reaching, clipping, or contacting their legs from behind.
Thatâs why the defender trailing matters. When youâre behind a moving offensive player, any contact to the legs is on the defender, because youâre reacting, not establishing legal guarding position. You canât clip someoneâs legs just because the ball isnât in their hands.
This is why itâs an off-ball foul. Intent doesnât matter, and shooting motion doesnât matter. Itâs illegal contact that disrupts a basketball movement.
Defensively, the goal is to block the offensive player with your body and position, not your arms. If the offensive player creates an angle to slide past or get in front, the defender can only make marginal contact. Once contact goes beyond that and affects balance or movement, itâs a foul.
In this clip, Hardaway Jr. gets position, Thompson is recovering from behind, gets too close, and accidentally kicks him. That contact is more than marginal because it directly causes the fall.
A simple way to think about it: imagine two players as circles moving toward intersecting paths. The one who arrives first establishes the space. The other has to go around, not through.
Another simpler way to think is - if it wasn’t a foul this would be so easily abused to gain an advantage as a defender
Yeah but you can see why itâs confusing to casual watchers when there can be SOOOO much contact in another situation without a foul called, then in a situation like this there is extremely minimal incidental contact that everyone used to justify a foul? An off ball trip is obviously different than a physical post up itâs so inconsistent what type and how much contact is allowed
thanks! this clears things up. especially this:
Intent doesnât matter, and shooting motion doesnât matter. Itâs illegal contact that disrupts a basketball movement.
an accidental trip is still a trip unfortunately
Some Houston fans deleting comments on your other post
This is why youâre the goat
Itâs light but anyone who has played sports knows that any leg-to-leg contact while running full speed can knock you off your feet. Hardaway didnât just coincidentally fall down as it happened
Why wouldnât the broadcast show this angle to the millions of people watching the game ? How braindead can you be ?
The Peacock broadcast might not have had access to this angle.
Canât afford it or something?
Walmart owns that tape, gotta pay the big bucks for it!
Came in SUPER late on the Nuggets broadcast so might legit not have gotten there
I’m not sure exactly how it works, but I’m pretty sure there’s more than 1 camera crew for the different broadcasts. So, Peacock was only showing the replays of the angles they had access to.
I think it was just super late coming out. The Denver broadcast didn’t even show it until Murray was shooting the FT.
the zapruder tape of r/nba
You can that he was fouling back and to the left
Udoka to Hardaway:
âNice game pretty boyâ
The Peacock angles were so bad. That’s a trip.
Crazy. Iâm glad I watched the Nuggets broadcast that showed all the angles. I get why people who saw the Peacock one would be pissed.
Can you post this on our team sub, they are having a full on melt down over this and I don’t want to get harassed.
You made the right call not posting it. Someone else did and the sub still thinks it’s a shit call.Â
I knew the vibes. Brought up how the Rockets would likely have been headed home with a W if Sengun didn’t bitch at the refs and let the Rockets get scored on 4v5 then picked up a technical followed by Udoka getting a technical and had ppl telling me that I’m an idiot and I should never watch sports. Their hearts just wont let their brain believe what their eyes are seeing.
If it’s any consolation all fan bases have a ton of people who can’t watch a game/play objectively. Good luck moving forward, hopefully we can have a 7 game series like tonight minus the refs injecting themselves all over the place.Â
Oh absolutely, there are some really dope people on the subreddit that you could talk ball with all day but man does it get bad on game days and I’m starting to wonder how many of these people are just degenerate gamblers upset that their money is about to go down the drain.
I think if everyone stays healthy that the Rockets vs Nuggets matchup will be inevitable and I think it will be an incredible series for everyone to watch.
But Jokic hooked under Sengun and that’s why he bitched at the ref. Yeah it’s soft, but so is this foul.
Lol. Sacrificial down vote getter. Why you gotta do the man like that
Someone posted it and it’s being explained away lol
Thank you for posting
Where the rocket fans at
in the other tread downvoting everyone
Also in this thread saying it’s okay because oopsie it was just a wittle accident and it’s no big deal
Iâm too heartbroken to downvote anyone. Good game, Jokic is a monster (pls retire soon)
Thats fair IMO (also please do not retire soon)
I really liked the ones that immediately came into the Nuggets sub game thread.
Like we haven’t also lost some close games on some equally unclear calls this season alone.
Clear foul tbh lol
Yeah, any middle schooler could tell you how easy it is to trip someone by kicking their foot as they begin to swing it forward for the next step
Delete this, it goes against the narrative
Narrative should actually be that every broadcast of this game except the Nuggets one completely fucked up by not showing this replay. Rare big time W by the Altitude broadcast.
They owe it to us after making us watch entire possessions from the opposite shot clock camera
Hate that camera its the worst
It oughta be banned in all of basketball.
Why tf did Peacock have the shittiest angles lmao
They did it before on the Bruce Brown “unsafe closeout” play too, just kept showing the same view that gave little to no information
I mean 99% of us were watching on Peacock/NBC and they never showed this angle
THANK YOU, I was losing my mind in the other post. It’s a clear foul with this angle, even if it’s super unlucky.
You can see it with the peacock angles too. People just want to hate on the refs too badly
Yeah, the ref hate is getting really out of control. It’s starting to taint this entire sub.
Straight ignorance in the post game thread lol. Not anyoneâs fault tho. Call it soft if you want but that is a trip.
Game thread was wildingâŚOKC fans came out of the woodwork and went nuts in there lmao
Weird how they arenât in hereâŚ
I saw that its hilarious. An account called “shai fan club” actively agenda posting about this, you can’t make this shi up lmfao
Man if there is someone you can trust to get to the truth on r/NBA its u/MrBuckBuck
Subreddit MVP for sure
Heâs basically been carrying this subs clip game for years. Thereâs a few other dudes that post but no one comes close to my goat u/MrBuckBuck
So, a foul. A lot of people deleting their posts rn, lol
Foul every day and twice on Sunday, OKC fans can finally stop crying.
Hilarious you say OKC fans because they really were the main party going wild over thisâŚtheir hate for Jokic while also claiming Jokic has no haters is honestly impressive.
Yeah thatâs fucking your run up 10⁄10 times. Sucks but itâs a foul
People have made up their minds damage is done that it was ref rigged on this play
Sad state of affairs in the nba world
Clear foul. You can’t ignore this one Rockets fans.
Okay I take back what I said. This is a foul.
Woah they released the Shin Files?!
Literally a foul. The Amen push call in OT was bad, but this was a very legit call.
So it was the right call after all
Oh shit it actually was a foul lol I really thought we got bailed out
i was excited that silver was on our side for once. nope, still hates us.
It’s a foul lol
I saw it as well, but they really didn’t have a good angle of it, and kept showing the replay that had the actual trip outside of view.
Eh, thatâs a foul
dammit, as a nuggets fan i was like, FINALLY the refs are rigging it in our direction tonight!
Youâre telling me the nba player didnât just like fall over randomly
And the nba replay center didnât just ignore a clean play to rig it for the media juggernaut nuggets?
Crazy man, crazy. Unserious association of nations baskets I think
Lmao, hello friend
Extremely obvious foul
Putting down my pitchfork
This camera fucking kills me every time it appears. They could literally just use it all the time, but choose to crack it out every couple months like an Anime hero. Hilarious.
/r/nba is so fucking annoying. They either want less calls, or they complain about things not being called. It’s a constant bitch fest over and over. Which is it guys? Would you rather they call fouls less or more?
This is a foul which would have ruined the OOB play in the final seconds if not called. Is that better? No, obviously not, people would be bitching the other way, then.
The simple explanation is that refs alternate to allowing physicality and then calling whatever the fuck they want. NBA fans wanting consistency especially when Sengun is getting pushed in the back by this guy and the refs somehow don’t see it.
So can we agree its a trip now.
To the top.. seen it from the bad angle and seen this on the nuggets broadcast
You can clearly see THJ’s third leg tripping himself, obv bad ref call
I think those are the calls that once itâs made, it cannot be overturned. But if THJ didnât fall no one would have noticed
But also, if he didn’t get fouled he wouldn’t have fallen
yea exactly. A no call stays a no call, wouldn’t even be reviewed. But if you call it and challenge it, you can’t overturn it because clearly there is contact upon review.
yeah ok that makes a lot more sense
Oh god its the lebron cam making a comeback
That’s actually a great angle and I probably come off as bias but couldn’t that be deemed marginal af?
I don’t think you could have marginal contact on tripping fouls. Players are moving at high speeds on weird angles and they’re always barely on balance - even a minimal contact is enough to make them lose their balance.
I think if it causes a trip even incidental contact is technically a foul.
It looks marginal in slow motion, but imagine you are running full speed and someone basically kicks your foot. Itâs a fluke but itâll definitely knock you down.Â
Ya, you are going down every time on this play.
Not when it causes him to fall
Probably not because it caused player to fall without a flop.
That amount of contact would definitely be marginal if it was a regular foul but not for a tripping foul.
There’s a lot of marginal contact they called a foul this game it was pretty soft all around. Made for a terrible watch in the arena tbh
It was just as bad on TV fwiw haha … obvious fouls went uncalled and marginal contact got called all night, brutal watch
I thought marginal contact is mainly contact that doesnât affect or barely affects a play.
Trip’s a trip
Trippling is a foul where there’s no such thing as marginal. For good reason.
Imagine if people were intentionally tripping each other “accidentally” all the time. That’s a good way to get injuries.
When I play pickup ball that’s the one foul I’ll always call because it hurts like crap to have your legs taken out from under you when you’re running full speed. I tore my meniscus because someone stepped on my foot while I was driving full speed.
I think for an overrule it has to pretty clear that there was nothing.
Itâs not like THJ could have expected or predicted the hit, so for him to start falling right away suggests it was more than marginal no?
Not for a tripping foul
When is a foul incidental?
I think this is incidental, but considering the context, it’s also very consequential. I was angry when they called it at the time, but yeah, you have to call this at that moment 9f the game.
Tripping is a foul regardless of incidental contact.
Not always. You see guys get tangled up off ball on fastbreaks sometimes and they usually dont call a foul
intent doesn’t matter - tripping is always a foul
It being incidental doesnât change he still fell because of it and it likely ruined the nuggets play as a result. Intent to foul doesnât change whether or not a foul occurred.
Trips are always called regardless of intention. That’s because people would abuse the rule and “play dumb” like they didn’t just take your legs out from under you.
Which is dangerous because tripping can really cause injury if you’re not nipping that one.
incidental is when the contact doesnt affect the play. This contact did impact the play, as it tripped THJ
I thought we got saved by ref, turn out it was a trip lol
The god damn Hubble Telescope camera angle
Post this on every NBA subreddit they cookin the nuggets
Peacock wtf u doing not showing this to us
Rockets fans are struggling to accept that their team has now lost twice to the injured nuggets lineup, and they’re not gonna be getting better any time soon.
Thompson’s hand was contributing contact as well. This was undoubtably the correct call.
Bunch of dumb dumbs complaining about the Thompson call against THJ because they were watching the morons on Peacock, who were slobbing on Houston all game.
The rest of the world saw the overhead angle.
Man this bird’s eye view cam stays goated
The best angle i’ve seen is actually at this post (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1pntxk3/highlight_with_23_seconds_remaining_in_regulation/) from 1:01-1:02 at the far right corner. Look at the way THJ’s feet snaps back from the contact causing him to stumble immediately after.
Okay definitely a foul now that I see a proper angle, why was this not shown on the broadcast..?
Not a foul, thatâs incidental. Refs just wanted to increase chances of OT which is what theyâre instructed to do. Corrupt leagueâŚ
Unlucky for Thompson. Very flukish.
Saw a foot to foot contact call during the Suns game.
The thing is though if you watch the ref who called the foul he gave the sign like he fouled him by bumping him with his body so the ref clearly didnt see what happened. He just reacted to a player falling to the ground so he called a foul which is a joke. It happens all the time too and it has to stop.Â
Honestly feels soft lol
Iâm sorry this was a foul? Come on
All the betting ads and this shit. There’s no way they don’t have their thumb on the scale to play the odds.
Disgusting.
Crow tastes like shit in case yall wondering
So marginal. I see why it wasn’t overturned once they reviewed it but I don’t know how you make that call in the moment. It wasn’t even a live ball and its not like he pushed him. Sengun obviously gets pushed hard in the back towards the end of OT on a board and that’s a no call but this warrants a FT to tie the game? I’m obviously salty but things broke more in favor of the nuggets tonight for sure.
They made the call because he tripped and fell. They’ll call any contact that results in a trip no matter how marginal or accidental it is
The other great part of the Nuggets broadcast during the review was that it caught some audio of THJ saying “they sayin’ I tripped on MYSELF???”
This is not a foul in any universe. Ä°tâs not a soft call, this is nothing.
I see this angle but it’s still extremely marginal contact that pretty much never gets called at the end of games.
Does only Denver do these AC-130 camera views? Never seen it at any other arena.
From that angle I’ll agree he was fouled. From the other replays I’d wondered why they called it.
how do refs see this but somehow miss the most obvious fouls lmao. Great call.
Why didnât they show this on the main broadcast lol
Peacock got to do better! Because this controversy could have been avoided if they had the same camera angle!
CIA angle
Very telling when those pea brains in the other thread ain’t saying shi or commenting here đ
This doesnât show nothing, no foul there
Well. That’s just fucking stupid right there.
Haven’t seen this angle since our series vs minny from last year hahaha
Some interesting editing by the main feed on the replays.
too fast for his own good honestly
Finally the sky cam does something useful
Pshh incidental contact lol
i had no idea the rockets fans were so hilariously delusional
absolute booty.
This just pissed me off
Seeing this angle gives me solace. I’m glad they made the right call.
I’m sure this is what the ref saw