Or a defensive compilation which, even if someone can argue is an objective analysis, is filled with an agenda and ignores that jokic’s defense changes when he has AG with him.

Mavs fans used to do it to Luka, quarterly updates on his shooting splits if he started a game off poorly railing him for playing awful then he’d finish with his usual 35/10/10 on ¹²⁄₂₂ and they’d go quiet again

Same in Croatia, everyone loves them.

I wanna be like Mike shouldn’t be controversial.

People here get really sensitive if an opinion goes against conventional wisdom. See the iconic Jokic vs Okafor post where people were trying to dunk on him.

People were irritated, but he was right. I think it is pretty OK to look back and see that he was right to advocate for something that turned out to be correct.

“Could dribble” is possibly the grossest understatement in history. He could be fouled to the point that he’s horizontal with the ground, still maintain his balance and control of the ball, likely beating the defender.

Not only was he incredible at recovering like that, but he wouldn’t just accept being fouled, he’d pop right back up and keep on playing if there was a slight chance of him scoring (and with him it was more than a slight chance).

His highlights will stand the test of time that’s for certain.

Yeah my english is just not good enough so I didn’t have the right word immediately to describe how good Messi could dribble, so I just said „he could dribble“ :)

You are undervaluing Jokic in this comparison, though. Jokic literally drops 30/12/10, which is completely insane but people have become numb to it.

Messi might be the overall goat of football, but Jokic is this generation’s best player by far.

He hit 3 HR in one World Series game

Because counting stats and advanced metrics all disagree.

because they weren’t as good as Jokic lol. Simple

No elite OFFENSE is more valuable than elite OFFENSE, can you even read ffs

Different kind of steals. AI played passing lanes and didn’t really slow down his man at all.

Jokic has pretty insane hands getting deflections and steals inside the paint while playing defense and rebounding. Speaking of which, don’t undersell the value of rebounding to defense.

You don’t watch the games, got it..Jokic is not a bad defender, I’ll stand by that. Not saying hes great, but the truth is, he plays D, especially in the playoffs

Impact on winning is what matters, and elite offense and bad defense impacts winning more than good offense and defense

It’s not that he wasn’t of a similar caliber playmaking wise, but the triangle offense thrives off having multiple playmakers and using his gravity to create offensive openings. When he actually played pg though he was an elite playmaker , it just didn’t make sense for him to play it .

Jokic is not a bad defender, y’all gotta stop.

Even then in the playoffs I would take MJ and LeBron’s Offensive prowess over JOKIC best ever offense any day of the week loool

Outside of Jokic & Murray, the rest of the team shot ²⁄₁₂ in the 2nd half. Do you understand how team sports work?

And Steph was GOAT level in the 2015 & 2018 finals? Really? You’re basing it off a lot more on outcome when really it still comes down to their quality of help. MJ & Steph both had elite help throughout all their great playoff runs. LeBron too outside of his early Cavs years & ¹⁵⁄₁₈.

It’s really not. Put any all time player in Jokic’ shoes and the same thing happens. MPJ barely had use of an arm and he was going up what looks like is going to be another GOAT team. I’m not knocking him for not being able to deal with one of the greatest defenses ever while barely getting production from his teammates

Easy to get outplayed when your team is way better and you are surrounded by shooters, swap the players and I’m sure Jokic would have a field day with that supporting cast and not getting triple teamed due to lack of shooters

Not trying to glaze Jokic but it’s the dumbest thing ever when someone says x outplayed z when it’s a team game

He was far from GOAT level vs Minnesota or OKC these last two playoffs.

Based on what? A drop in efficiency from his own astronomical standards, against an elite defensive team in Minnesota and a historic defense in OKC? I think Jokic was excellent offensively against Minnesota in 2024, and he played two other series in these 2 years. The OKC series definitely isn’t one I would bring up to showcase Jokic’s best offensive series. OKC also has a good argument to be one of the best defensive teams in NBA history, which is hardly a coincidence.

There are many series I can find throughout the careers of all of the GOAT candidates you mentioned, where they dropped statistically and in terms of efficiency. That is par for the course in the playoffs, where you face the best of the best and get game-planned against.

People call him the GOAT when he only made the conference finals twice. Just insanity

As a Nuggets fan it’s a little atrocious to see people talking about Jokic as GOAT lol. Top five offensive players of all time and he’s not 5, sure, but GOAT? IMO he isn’t even top 10 just yet, on the borderline but needs a bit more.

You ain’t wrong, but it shouldn’t be something that happens all the time. We shouldn’t all be able to predict that they would stick to their guns when the Nuggets challenged even though it was clear that Murray fouled him first on the replay

You’re right. I’m sorry that wasn’t cool of me. How many free throws should SGA get for that?