[Highlight] With 2.3 seconds remaining in regulation, Amen Thompson fouls Tim Hardaway Jr. with his left shin prior to inbound (with replays).
Upon coach’s challenge the call stands, and Jamal Murray sinks the free throw that sent the game to OT
There must be a better angle because otherwise how tf does it not get overturned in the challenge
the top down they showed on the Denver broadcast is pretty clear but they didn’t get it on the away broadcast
Just saw it and posted it, thanks for noticing
Thank you MrBuckBuck you the /r/NBA MVP for sure
Thanks for this. I was going mad with how terrible the replays were on this.
Yep, as clear as can be!
Solid on the video evidence btw
Yes. The Nuggets broadcast showed the overhead replay and Amen clearly (incidentally) hits Hardaway’s heel with his shin.
https://streamable.com/63mpn8
There was on the nuggets feed. super light contact between Amen’s shin and Hardaways foot but it was there. Still pretty ticky tack in my opinion
It’s a ticky tack if hardaway just stumbles but if I guy falls down and there clear contact to his foot while moving then they have to call it.
Yeah it’s tough, there’s no language in the NBA rule regarding incidental contact so it’s the right call.
If it wasn’t an important possession and just in the middle of the game, it’s something that is often just ignored as usually the offensive team just gets the ball in to someone else. Sort of remind me of a WR and DB getting their legs tangled and falling when both are playing the ball which isn’t called as PI.
But the situation here kind of forces the refs hand a bit. Tough.
From what I can tell the NBA rule doesn’t carve out incidental contact like NFL PI does. But your right Amen isn’t trying to trip him or even being overly aggressive, his leg just happens to clip Hardaway’s foot.
On one hand it’s not fair to make the nuggets have to scramble on the inbounds because their number 1 option got tripped, on the other hand an FT and the ball seem like a steep punishment. I would be in favor of incidental contact simply resetting the inbound play.
I’m gonna be honest. I could see the trip in this angle. He clips his foot. You can see it change direction. The other angle makes it more obvious but you can definitely see it in the one too. I was watching the peacock feed and the announcers were driving me crazy saying that Hardaway tripped himself
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An amazing game decided by the officials, experience nba basketball
This is the correct call. It sucks but it’s true. He tripped him.
Yeah cause you know refs are always favorable to the Nuggets gtfo outta here clear foul
There wasn’t enough evidence to overturn that and it’s easy to see how it was called a foul. You’re upset because your team lost.
Dam I didn’t know I had a rockets flair lol. I don’t care who won this game, just giving my opinion.
They saw the R and said “close enough”
This game was decided by Thompson running into his foot. Had the officials not called this, it would’ve been decided by the officials. Check the other angle.
That female ref with the bad calls late in the game
She is legit a terrible ref between her and Zarba the crew is kinda stinky
Natalie Sago. Consistently one of the worst
I read the comment you responded to and thought “It’s Natalie isn’t it”
Yep. It’s never good when you remember ref’s names. The only good ref whose name I know is Bill Kennedy
Whenever we remember refs names they’re horrible. Zach Zarba, Tony Brothers, Natalie Sago. They consistently fuck calls up or miss blatant calls and tech players for a arguing.
I agree though, Bill Kennedy and Jason Goble are probably the only names I know they aren’t terrible.
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Yea just like the Suns and Lakers game last night. This is becoming more often. I can’t stand it and it’s terrible for the game. Soft ass NBA.
Local tv had a different angle that shows the trip!
The backboard cam was perfect, it just started too late
Give Zach Zarba Zeke Nnajis contract
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1pnu7q7/highlight_a_better_replay_angle_of_amen_thompson/
Terrible call, if this went against us Id be livid lol
yeah I can’t lie that was an awful call
They’re not showing a good angle. It’s a good call. Amen’s leg hits THJ’s right leg and forces it to connect with his own left leg causing the trip up. The leg connecting we see in the replay is immediately after that happens and has nothing to do with the fall as correctly pointed out (he’s falling “before” that).
Shouldn’t have called that, shouldn’t have called the flop on Murray the play before.
Refs killed a really fun game
Or in OT when shot clock is at 5 and Amen positions his hand in case Murray tries pushing past him, and the refs call a push off foul even though Murray didn’t even flop that hard, the refs wanted that call.
Crazy thing is Murray didn’t flop at all. He just bent over to pick up the ball.
I could understand it if the refs fell for a flop but there wasn’t even a flop to whistle.
Or that Sengun got shoved while in the air literally the play before Amen’s foul.
Murray and Jokic looked like they should be in front of car dealerships with their boneless ass bodies flopping around.
And yes, Sengun complaining every play is just as annoying.
Mmm yes I forgot to go to the store today and pick up salt, THIS WILL WORK
Yea honestly most of the calls were defendable but calling a push on Amen and no push on Sengun’s crash is just bad and inconsistent. That’s just bad refereeing straight up and I’m usually defending them objectively
Spencer Jones mauling Durant all game with the grabbing and hand checking, but anyone breathes on Jokic or Murray and it’s an instant foul.
edit: Spencer not Dillon
That’s Spencer jones, Dillon is in the g league
Ah yes Nikola “I literally am covered in 50 scratches, score most of my shots from inside the paint while being hounded by three defenders but somehow average like 6 free throws per game” Jokic. Also Jamal averages like 5 free throws per game. Oh and it’s Spencer Jones not Dillon Jones.
Like our old rookie we waived? Dillon is back baby!!
Yall lost with our entire starting 4 out sybau
Just the NBA product lol
disgusting call, even more disgusting uphold after the challenge
I genuinely can’t believe that was upheld, this was a straight up rigging
Kinda like when they overturned the offensive foul that injured Curry. This what they get lmfao
In Pro Wrestling at least they have cooler costumes
I feel like I’m going crazy in this comment section. Amen’s shin clearly knocks THJ’s leg to the left and causes his foot to hit his own calf, was the overhead angle only shown in the Denver broadcast?
Yup, only shown on the Denver broadcast. NBC total amateurs, no way they didn’t have the angle.
I was watching the Denver feed while chatting with my friends who were watching Peacock. I was very confused why they were so adamant that it wasn’t a foul lol.
Insane call
Cool, now everyone can stop crying
lol they wont
Shai just learned a new trick
please no, don’t show this to him
Am I crazy? THJ is the one who trips because his back stride caught on to amen’s knee. You guys all say any contact is considered tripping, but it’s clear THJ is the one who catches in Amen.
The principle is that offensive players and defensive players are not equal. Defensive players cannot impede offensive players’ freedom of movement.
Except amen was behind him and he initiated the contact, so at what point is amen restricting his movement when his stride is what is bumping him into Amen’s knee. Like what exactly is Amen supposed to do here?
Amen tripped him. It’s clear as day. Hardaway was running normally, and somehow Amen got his shin in there. Probably Amen is a lot faster than Hardaway, and in this stressful late game situation he forgot to account for that.
Honestly, I agree with you. Even with the alternate angle, it seemed like barely any contact.
Really putting in some ot of your own here
Dude tripped on his own feet. Fucking ridiculous.
It sucks the main broadcast doesn’t show the correct angle. There was a very clear one from the Nuggets broadcast where Amens shin hits THJs foot causing him to trip, hopefully it will surface somewhere
Thompsons shin made contact with THJs foot, causing the trip.
Did the rockets broadcast not show the angle where Thompson clearly tripped THJ with his knee?
There was an angle on the nuggets feed where Amen’s shin definitely hits Hardaways foot. Ticky Tack call but he didn’t trip himself
I knew at this moment the rockets were screwed
Because your broadcast did not show the angle the refs, and the Altitude broadcast showed.
There was contact. Look at the video MrBuckBuck posted.
Refs carried Denver tonight but this sub won’t complain because it wasn’t the Lakers and they overly love Jokic 🤷
If that was the case the officials wouldn’t call 6 fouls on Jokic
Absolutely horrible call. Ruined what should have been a great ending
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It was a foul lol, yall are blind, you don’t just trip over yourself
huh? not saying it was or wasn’t but people trip over themselves all the time
Yeah they do if their feet touch (although a professional athlete would have to be really tired to do this without an outside factor), but pro athletes don’t trip/fall over when they’re feet/legs don’t touch and there was no outside factor causing it. We can see in this clip that he didn’t bump his own foot into his other foot/leg.
Defender interfered with players balance, foul
I am fine with this being a foul, but think of the implications if this philosophy was used everywhere.
Fucking horse shit call. Game should be over rockets W
THJ tripped on his own leg lmao
On the Nuggets feed you could see Amen’s shin hit Haradaways foot. It was super light contact but was enough to make Hardaway trip over his other leg
Exactly I’m guessing Rockets broadcast didn’t show it.
So no one posted the overhead that clearly showed the trip before tim stumbled? The one they showed on the broadcast? The one the refs had up on the review screen? Cool…
Uhhh
Zach Zarba is a cancer on this league
FBI waiting for Zarba in the tunnel
Show the angle the Nuggets broadcast showed from directly above the play.
It was the right call.
The replays shown by the tv broadcast doesnt show the part the referees are actually looking at. The step BEFORE the replays start is the step they were going back and forth on in the review. From what the TV showed it looked like he tripped over his own feet. But I think the refs maybe saw contact as early that caused him to kick his own shin. Its annoying the TV replays cut it where they did.
Fuck Zach Zarba. Apparently you can trip yourself and if anyone makes contact while you fall, that’s a foul.
Watch Thompson’s knee and THJ’s shin exactly at 1:01-1:02. You can see that the refs are replaying this moment at a different angle at 1:25 (this angle isn’t shown in the main brodcast).
WITH HIS LEFT SHIN
u/MrBuckBuck The Nugget’s broadcast showed footage from a different angle that may make the foul look legitimate if you have access to that.
Need to find the angle Denver’s broadcast had. You can still argue over it, but at least the contact can be seen.
First Team All-Defense gets this called on him. Absolutely horrible.
yeah that’s not how it works
Their is no rule that if you are in a all defensive team that you should have fouls called against you
Btw yes I know this is unintentional contact
There*
Yeah but when you’re a superstar you can’t be touched. This league is it’s own worst enemy.
Agree but not all superstars get a generational whistle
Steph for one…
NBC didn’t show the angle from the Hawkeye camera from above where you can clearly see Thompson making a contact to Hardaway’s leg which makes him lose balance. Altitude broadcast did show it. Try to find it on league pass. I don’t understand why they don’t show all the angles that refs see when reviewing. Refs made the call based on that angle and didn’t show it on national TV.
“It’s Zach Zarba, one of the best”
😂😂😂
This reminded me of some nasty work from last year Rockets went up 20 points in the first quarter, odds didnt move much and so I betted on them. Amen crashed out and got ejected early. Rockets was up by 3 with seconds left in the game, Jabari missed 2 free throws, Dallas get the rebound and Dante Exum hit a buzzer beater 3 and Dallas won in OT. That was the last time I sports betted.
What drives people crazy is the amount of intentional contact like slapping arms and grabbing someone and lowering shoulders and everything else that doesn’t get called, then the refs call some random incidental contact where they barely even brush each other that decides the whole game.
wtf are those dogshit camera angles?
Anyone defending this was a trip is absurd
enjoy https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1pnu7q7/highlight_a_better_replay_angle_of_amen_thompson/
I’ll give it a shot.
At :31 seconds in this video you see the first contact of amen’s right shin hitting THJ’s right foot, which causes him to fall. Most people are focused on when his left shin hits THJ’s foot the second time.
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know the rules of basketball tons, but I think people are pissed because they are missing the first contact when they watch
The original angle looked unclear but I have no clue how that call held up upon review
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Umm, that’s a lie.
Making a bad call worst by reviewing it and letting it stand. Edit: See updated reply below
Thanks, that’s probably what the refs saw. Made the call making sense now. Still not enough to say it’s 100% on Amen, but I’m leaning towards it as he did knee him first, even though it seems like it’s not enough in this angle, the actual force may be greater than it seems.
No one gaf just clear your lines
This is everything that’s wrong with the NBA. There are countless examples of players falling during a final shot with significantly more contact but the refs do not call it because they do not want to set the precedence of guys simply flopping and falling in the final shot rather than play through a bit of contact.
You can even find absurd moving screens that the refs don’t call during final shot moments because they expect the defense to often play through additional contact for a final shot.
This play was at best 50⁄50, the ball wasn’t even inbounded yet. Just say there is no conclusive evidence of a clear foul and have Denver inbound again.
Instead, they essentially decided the outcome of the period by giving the Nuggets a free throw, letting them tie the game.
Sengun deserved better here after his legitimate bucket to take the lead
God fucking damn it my reddit is broken again and this is just another Rudy Gobert highlight.
These type of clips always show who actually watches or even bothers to find different angles of the foul lmao
r/uselessredcircle
Huh?
That’s called the fix is in
What is the rule on incidental contact in these kind of situations? This is not an intentional trip and it is also very minor. If they call these I could see a lot more foul baiting in the future of players running close to other players…
and it is also very minor
It tripped a player, causing him to fall… What’s your criteria for a contact affecting play if having a guy on the ground ain’t enough?
I am saying he didn’t extend his leg or anything. In the NFL this would be incidental contact because both players were running and they hit their feet. In soccer it would only be called if the other player had the ball.
And the way players are exaggerating contact makes me at least skeptical, if he actually fell because of this or if he took the invitation to stumble…
“incidental contact” means that the contact existed, but didn’t affect the play in any way. You can’t say the same for this situation, since the guy who was moving to receive the ball ended up on the ground. It’s not like they were fighting under the hoop for ball control, and one of them fell down…
Idk about NFL, since it’s a sport I don’t care about. I think it would be called in football as well, given a similar situation, but it’s hard for me to imagine a similar situation happening in professional football game. It’s just that football players don’t typically get full run leg contact before a throw-in since they play much further apart. Also, pro football players are much, much more skilled at avoiding leg contact because having even light contact like this at full run means one or both players are going down.
Refs allow all kinds of shit in the last seconds and then call this.
Yes I’ve seen the better angle.
Has anyone else been getting the same magic clip for days on this sub?
I don’t know what’s worse when it comes to terrible officiating these days. NBA or NFL?
Hold up… We’re calling fouls on THJ in the final seconds of a close game? This would never happen to the Knicks.
As a Pistons fan, its nice to see the foul called and free throws given when Tim Hardaway Jr. is fouled just before the end of regulation down one possession.
Where’s the fucking trip?
In Vegas. They tripped Silver
Crazy call that changed the outcome of a really good game.
Calling it in real time is fair enough but to review that footage and UPHOLD the call on a game deciding play?
The fair move would have been to call it inconclusive and just re-do the inbound. No advantage / disadvantage for either side. Let the teams decide how it plays out.
Hey, at least the refs got paid!
This is one of the best calls I ever seen. Great work refs! 😁
Blatant robbery. Houston should have won this game
Booooooo hisssssss
Amen Thompson being dirty as fuck what’s new
Ref ball all night. Fucking zarba
do yall think the refs that made the call are shitting themselves when theres a coaches challenge?
The fact that they reviewed this and still maintained that it was a foul just doubled down on how trash this crew was.
I’d send them back to calling high school games as I wouldn’t trust them in NCAAB either.
Murray and Hardaway were consistently flopping the last two minutes hoping to draw a cheap foul. On this play they got one.
Adam silver you are going to hell
FBI needs to investigate Zach Zarba immediately
Worst professional sports league in the world
The officiating was wildly inconsistent and horrible on both sides.
What a shit product the nba is
besides the horrible call, why is it one FT and possession, instead of two free throws? When nuggets are In the bonus
Ball wasn’t in play
Even Nuggets fans think it’s a bad call, crazy
The ref wasn’t even looking at amen when the “foul” happened omg they are just guessing out there. this is so fucking stupid
They had to go through 20 different camera angles and use their fucking satellite spy cam just to find one that BARELY shows INCIDENTAL contact. Bogus call to decide the game and Zarba is one of the worst in the business.
this was pathetic. And it was pathetic they reviewed it and upheld it. Begging for some consistency.
There were a lot of bad calls at the end there. This one, Jokic fouling out.
Nice try. Jokic hit the wrist, plus game shouldn’t have gone to OT in the first place
Wow, the Rockets got robbed by the refs there.
“Tim Hardaway Jr. fouls Tim Hardaway Jr.”
Disgusting but this is Silver’s NBA
That’s the dumbest foul call I’ve ever seen
Terrible call and loss for the rockets. This was their win by 1 point, if Jokic would’ve missed the shot like he did.
The fix is in for the Donkeys
Someone explain to me why Murray got to shoot the free throw instead of hardaway who the “foul” was committed on
Because Rules