Jokic is fat and SGA is Canadian.

That happens later in the season sadly.

The online discourse gives me the shits. Jokic is a 1 of 1, top 10 all time player, SGA is currently doing an MJ impersonation, and for some reason everyone is at odds about it. We are witnessing greatness, just fucking enjoy it.

Last year I wasn’t convinced with shai but it’s very clear both jokic and shai are super special players and I should be glad to be around to watch them both

GPT wrote this post.

Jokic is the better player, Shai has the better team.

Having said that 

It’s well written due to ai assistance

Follows all the regular patterns of AI generation 🤔

It’s AI written. 100%. Do with that what you’d like.

What’s the basketball equivalent of Federer’s one-handed backhand?

Djokovic clear goat though.

It’s only been 25 games, but if this keeps pace whoever loses will have the best non mvp season for as long as I can personally remember

Probably better than 23-24 of the last 25 MVPs

between Jokic and SGA who would do the scratch and sniff like Nadal?

Sosa and Mcgwire in ‘98

Excellent comparison

Truthfully NFL throwing stats now are back down (not to what they were, but way lower than before). Even with the extra game, there won’t be a single 5000 yards passer and only 1 40+ TD passer.

Feels like in the 2010s there were like 2 or 3 of each every year between Brees, Ben, Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, stafford

Fifteen years ago, KD led the league in scoring at 27.7ppg on .509 effective field goal %.

That would put him **12th** in the NBA this year, and all 11 guys who are above him are scoring more efficiently.

Derrick Rose won MVP that season averaging ²⁵⁄₇.⁷⁄₄.4 on .485 efg%. That stat line honestly might not even make the All Star game this season. Luka, SGA, Maxey, Mitchell, Ant, Brunson, Curry, Reaves, Cade, Harden, Booker and Murray all have stronger stat lines (considering efficiency) as guards.

I think it’s fair to say that the numbers just don’t mean what they used to and we can’t use them for historical comparisons anymore.

I think the increase is because we started tracking things, players have built onto previous players’ skills/knowledge, and also the game is absolutely international at this point. Given everything, we now have more players with more skills and more knowledge on how to use those skills, PLUS they can track everything to the smallest detail. Great players will always be great, but with technology/medicine/skills/knowledge constantly expanding, I imagine players will continue to break these records year after year.

It’s insane, just to put this into perspective.

Avdija is averaging 26-7-6 with 48/38/81 splits, and Lauri Markkanen with 28-6-2 on 47/36/90.

One or possibly both of them are not going to make all star team this year.

Decade or two ago these are MVP numbers.

Basketball needs to find it’s version of “two high shell” or “quarters” defense.

Peak Passing era is actually over, you don’t see multiple guys with 35-40+ TD seasons due to defensive adjustments. However in the NBA nothing seems to be stopping offense. Silver will have to step in and tweak some defensive rules.

I mean the skill difference overall has changed dramatically. You used to have a lot of guys in the league who were massive with no real skill. That’s not happening anymore. Also medical technology is a thing now so great players have longer longevity.

Except throwing stats were way better 10-15 years ago.

Because the stats are inflated as hell, no defender can sneeze at you without getting called if you’re one of these guys lol. Props to Jokic always have to support talented big men in a league of floppers and chuckers

It really is insane, i wish the MVP award didn’t exist so we can just sit and watch this play out

And a young wemby who may be leading a powerhouse of a spurs team in a few years. If anyone is hating the nba, they’re just miserable for no reason.

Well said

4 insane seasons plus a bunch of other over the top seasons should tell you something. Pointing that out isn’t hating, it’s taking it in context when people are trying to say they have the two best peaks in history.

Shai is shooting better than unanimous Steph on fucking middies

56-45-88 as a guard averaging 33 - the most points per minute ever (since wilt that shit dont count)

And in 2-4 years when the nuggets champ window is closing and the thunders is likely still open, we have the spurs that should be blossoming.

Tbh Thunder fans don’t really say much toxic stuff about Jokic and I don’t think I see THAT many Nuggets fans ripping on Shai

The toxic stuff comes when Lakers try inserting Luka into convos he’s not in

Seems like the toxicity comes from just its respective team’s fanbases while most other fanbases appreciate them both.

As much as I want to the lakers to do good and win, I know that the real finals this year will be Thunder vs Nuggets. It’s going to be an absolute dream series. I just hope I’m not sulking for my team while watching lmao.

At the end of January Before Embiid got hurt in 23-24:

Embiid was at 36/11/6 on 65%TS

Luka was at 35/9/10 on 62%TS

But those efficiency numbers still dont even come anywhere close to SGA/Jokic. And their teams weren’t as dominant as these guys.

Probably 2018-19 Giannis and Harden or 23-24 Jokic and Embiid

Lebron wasn’t even close to Curry in the regular season

can’t leave out kevin durant

2015 LeBron was coasting a bit in regular season

you are talking like Austin is a bum, he’s still going to be an all-star this year. Also even though the ceiling of a basketball player peaked with Jordan the floor has been slowly growing till today. The worst player in the NBA today is much better than the worst player in 2000s

Eh, players used to make jokes about how you couldn’t even breathe on Jordan

It’s hard to compare across eras but tbh I wouldn’t even try bc the athletes schemes defenses offense etc of today is way better than anything in the past.

Exactly - the touchiest fouls are called now compared to the 80s and 90s. We can all agree that SGA and Jokic are legends and acknowledge that the game has become more high scoring during to foul calling.

Exactly. This isn’t coming out of nowhere. Stats reflect the league, not just the player.

ChatGPT, so hot right now. ChatGPT.

And they’ll still give the MVP to someone else 😂

Those are plus-minus family models, not primarily built from the box score. As I said, Backpicks BPM is the most reputable box-score model we have.

of the 2020s, yes. but curry’s unanimous mvp still counts since thats within 10 years. there was some crazy stat that steph sat 25% of all the 4th quarter minutes of games he appeared in, curious to know how much shai sat so far since okc are beating down everyone

You can easily make the argument they are the best two starts to a season all time.

What do you mean by this? Are you talking about how the traditional Basketball Reference DBPM isn’t very reliable? This isn’t that version you are referring to. 

Should play tennis this is so backhanded

This is not Basketball Reference BPM, which is the stat you’re referring to. It’s only called BPM because it is also a box (B) model that is used to estimate plus minus (PM), but there is no relation between the two. This is an analytics model founded by Thinking Basketball and Backpicks – it is generally considered the most reputable box model we have.

is far behind in all of these metrics

Not in the conversation

I’d be pissed if I was Luka bro his numbers are ridiculous but he’s never in the conversation because Jokic has an all time offensive season every year and Shai decided to become modern MJ