[Amick] The Golden State Warriors are intent on trading Jonathan Kuminga after things have “gone south” and the Brooklyn Nets are a team that has shown interest “for a while” in acquiring him.
waste of time coulda did this two years ago.
Two years ago he was only worth like $7M in outgoing salary
But he was worth a lot more too, yall couldve attahed salary filler to it and gotten a bigger return
cp3+ him for a decent player.
i dont think this warriors team is gonna win anything but i want to atleast have some fun, he sucks the fun out. he doesnt fit
I’ll be honest, Kuminga was exactly who I wanted GS to take at 7 that year when he fell. Freaky athlete for his size. I thought his ceiling could even be in Kawhi or PG territory.
I did not expect him to top out as a poor man’s Kelly Oubre.
same, he didnt seem to develop at all.
I wanna say he fell cuz of personality kind of concerns? Which is why I think he hasn’t developed
They traded for Cp3 so 30M salary could expire so they could get out the second apron. They were never keeping that slot.
I wonder if CP3 + kumings gets them vassel two years ago. Vassel would be a nice fit on this warriors team
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10108625-warriors-jonathan-kuminga-was-virtually-untouchable-at-nba-trade-deadline-per-gm
Could’ve traded him here btw
Only scenarios that were close to this was Lauri. But Ainge got too greedy and wanted Podz in the deal. So trade didn’t happen.
Hindsight is 20⁄20, but it was quite surprising how much Golden State valued Podziemski. Lauri in this GS offense might average 30.
Regardless of Podz, trading with Danny Ainge is just never a good idea.
Danny Ainge hasn’t done anything smart in many, many years.
Making Podz a deal breaker for a Markkanen trade is a hilarious blunder on the Warriors part.
Same as taking Wiseman over Melo and then instantly complaining that a traditional big man doesn’t fit in the system and that you need a playmaking guard.
Melo full court playmaking with Curry and Klay in transition was such an obvious fit.
Lacob’s fuck up, iirc Kerr and Myers wanted Hali but Lacob said it was too high to pick him. Best case scenario was the rumoured trade down to the Bulls picks for WCJ. Feels like WCJ and Hali fills all the holes they have.
If they had picked Melo, the same thing that happened to Kuminga and Poole would have happened to Melo, he’d want out as quickly as possible. There’s a reason Melo wanted no part of being drafted by the warriors, it would not have worked.
The worry with LaMelo was the defense and whether or not he could actually space the floor. But his passing and handle for his size were “generational”, he definitely would have provided value. I personally would have drafted Edwards, traded back for Hali or Vassell, or taken LaMelo (in that order) if I was the Warriors FO.
Wiseman not fitting the team was incredibly obvious even before the draft. I swear most of the fans who wanted the Warriors to draft him are basketball regarded. Warriors didn’t even need a center at the time, they needed a floor spacing 4 and a backup PG. And then the next year they get 2 floor spacing 4s in Bjelica and OPJ and Poole becomes a microwave scoring PG and they win lol.
Quite surprising to say the least. Just last year Warriors fans were saying they’d rather have Podz than Reaves lol
Fans + overvaluing their own players is a combo that never fails
Should have given him then
Warriors were too busy doing lip service for him.
Congrats, what valuable salary do you envision coming back lol. He has no value outside of the salary
Now he’s worth the value of Jordan Poole in a trade, maybe even less
yeah but the dubs def never sell high lol. They hold on to them for too long
Could have gotten Pascal Siakam
This is the one that will never make sense to me. It really felt like the league massively undervalued Pascal, or they just refused to work with Masai
Warriors fucked up by holding onto Kuminga in this particular instance but Masai mostly fucked himself by pricing his players way too high and selling way too late.
If rumors are true, Siakam wouldn’t have wanted to stay. Regardless of that I do agree that the Warriors missed on that.
This is the only real miss with him. But siakam was coming from a down shooting year (shoulder injury i believe) and we would have to give up kuminga while for butler we didn’t.
But most warriors fans are happy with the butler return so far and we’ll get something for Kuminga’s contract dump.
Could have gotten Lauri too lol. The Warriors had several misses on not trading Kuminga. There might have been other offers that weren’t even reported on. Warriors fumbled this so badly.
No one knows what Ainge wanted. It was for sure like 5frps
Is tough when the owner sees him as his second child.
Also, two years ago, they had just traded the Jonathan Kuminga of three years ago, Jordan Poole. The issue isn’t the timing of a trade, the issue is the incentive structure of the CBA.
Why are y’all eating this up? This guy doesn’t work for the warriors. He has no source that the dubs “are intent on trading him”. This is pure speculation on his part, and you all are treating it as fact. The media and social media suck
bUt muH tWo TimELinEs!!!
Who could’ve seen this coming?!
Cominga.
Goinga
Lmao
Lacob: “We’re all trying to find the guy who did this!”
Kuminga is a bum, bench player acting like a star
The thing is he’s shown the talent to be a very real contributor when he’s actually bought in and played team basketball. Unfortunately most of the time he just wants to get his
Yeah, at this point he’s underrated due to backlash over how noisy his RFA was.
The player from the first 7 games from the season is a very high level wing. He’s played like that in spurts over the years but not consistent. People say its the warriors system he struggles with and he obv hates being there so…maybe a change of scenery helps. He’s also shown to be an effective scorer in the playoffs against the wolves last year. It didn’t lead to wins, but he was keeping the warriors afloat in those games.
He’s basically on a one year so the money isn’t a problem. Somewhat reminds me of the wiggins situation before he went to the warriors. Big talented wing that can’t figure out how to use his strengths until he finds the right situation for them.
I can’t think of a guy where effort and care was the biggest issue, going to another situation and contributing to winning basketball. Maybe Wiggins on the TWolves? But even he had shown a lot more and was going into a reduced role, not trying to expand his role.
Ayton? But he’s 4th fiddle so that suits him now
Both Wiggins and Ayton got better with reduced role but a 4th fiddle suddenly becoming a star player on another team is pretty rare.
the problem is, during the wolves playoff series, he’s an effective player with other stars on the floor, but absolute garbage with other garbage players.
Exactly this.
He’s very much the sort of player bad teams should be trying to pick up at a discount. The Warrior situation was a tough fit from the start.
Let him find joy in playing basketball again and I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts doing more of the little things that he’s not doing now. He’s shown he can do them, the motivation just wanes, and the level of trust between him and Kerr is obviously very very low in both directions at this point.
he bought in initially at the start of the season. Then something happened. I’m assuming they started losing and the blame was on him. My guess is that Bucks game where Rollins went off on them. Followed by the Pacers holding tryouts for all those guards who were out.
He just started to just find his own (and failing) instead of setting teammates up
He was really good with Steph and playing off of him early in the season. Then Steph got sick and had to miss games and Kuminga suffered because of it. Then got benched, then stopped playing hard
so, miami it is.
So he’s andre Drummond 2.0
He looked good the first few weeks of the season when he was bought in. Used his athleticism on both sides and took good shots. But he’s gone back to the “above average player who thinks he’s a star” position.
When he’s bought in he plays well. I think it’s both a lack of maturity and the wrong people around him, his agent especially. I’ve never seen such a player of his caliber be more impatient and less willing to win just to get numbers (i mean i probably have but can’t think of one atm)
I would’ve said similar things about Mathurin until this year, although we’ll see if that growth holds up next season with Tyrese back (assuming we extend Mathurin).
just patently untrue.
Yes, he was fighting for rebounds but his defense is still so error-prone, help defense is quite negative. And his offensive game is rough.
Mf cannot dribble the ball without getting stolen. Has no strength in the post. And cannot shoot/hit his fts.
There are tons of Kumingas that will be available in the upcoming drafts
That’s an insult to bench players who actually want to contribute to their teams
MPJ who is killing it has less ego than this bum
MPJ has had his gigantic payday already……..
So you have all the info behind the scenes I guess.
He is the Steph Curry of Cam Whitmores
Gsw has a very wild distribution of minutes tbf
Kuminga and a 1st for MPJ.
Nets will get a 1st for absorbing MPJ, then another 1st for flipping him months later.
That’s the Sam Presti move right there.
MPJ still makes too much. Warriors need to add Payton or Podz.
Bye podz then. They have that mothefucking Pat Spencer.
the warriors would pay for payton’s flight to brooklyn lol he’s fallen off a lot
You’re not giving him enough toradol
feel like they still love him. could swear hes had huge games recently too
Still not enough. Warriors would be fighting the second apron if they trade for MPJ. It would have to be something like Kuminga + Hield + Moody (or three smaller contracts instead of Moody - the numbers are awkward at this point – something like Payton, Santos, and Jackson-Davis).
I still think the deal is worth it even if it’s one of those combos. Steph/Podz/Butler/MPJ/Dray with Post, Melton, and the rest of the bench mob would be awesome. MPJ would really help with spacing and rebounding
And I don’t think the Warriors want to trade Podz. Yeah he had a rough start to the season, but he’s 22, he’s had long stretches of good play over the past few years, and he just put up 21/8/7. There are fewer 22 year olds in the league who have done that than you think.
Shit, could see this happening
But also could see dray and Jimmy murdering mpj when he takes the third fast break three with 20 second on the clock
nope that’s his best skill and they need his shooting. he just has to rebound
I feel like everyone just overlooks that MPJ won a title lol. Yes the dude makes dumb comments and takes the occasional bad shot but he was a pretty important player on a championship team. Warriors would love to have him if they are serious about making a run during Steph’s final years
Yea nets are going for a similar strategy
I can’t get the money to work for MPJ without another team without adding Draymond since GSW is already over the 1st apron.
The Miles Bridges of JR Smiths
JR at his best was better than both
Put some respect on HennyGawd
Hennything is possible!
21-22 Bridges was genuinely a great two-way player. We don’t talk about it though because of what he did that summer
JR would have been an all-star in 2013 if his first half of the year was as good as his second half. Was seen as a top snub anyways
Don’t disrespect JR Smith. Might have had low IQ but a hot JR was a beautiful thing to watch.
Makes no sense. If nets wanted him they would have offered him a contract when they were only team with cap space this off-season
true but also now they get him on a cheaper contract (number of years wise)
They couldve given him a 2 year $50M contract, frontloading it and The Warriors would have been forced into the 2nd apron if they matched.
Offer sheets have to be 3 years (not necessarily guaranteed), but same concept.
They used that space to get an unprotected Denver 1st though right?
This way they would have gotten that draft capital and still landed Kuminga
They also used it to get the 22nd pick with Mann and have 15 mil left under the cap even now. They chose Mann’s 3 year salary dump + 22 over a Kuminga offer sheet.
Warriors didn’t want to trade him at 50% his value, they had to wait til upcoming Jan 15
But now they get more draft capital/assets in return . No? Especially since the league is far more aware this Kum In Ga situation won’t work for the Warriors.
He was a RFA. Unless nets came in with a max contract, GS would have matched anything. GS would have matched any 1 year deal. GS would have matched a 3 year 75 mil deal too. I’m just not sure what Nets would be trading out for him.
They didnt need to give him a Max, just enough in the first year that would’ve forced the warriors into the 2nd apron if they matched.
He was a RFA
Wiggins welcome back to the team
I don’t even think the heat will do that trade at this point. Kerr really gotta get better at marketing guys he wants to offload.
With a couple 1sts attached from GSW
Well Warriors started winning the less he was playing, hard to market someone that’s not good
Heat are trying to win, hell they have a better record than the Warriors. Why they gonna give up Wiggins who’s been productive in their success to tank themselves with JK? It’d be like if Warriors traded Jimmy to Bulls for Patrick Williams and junk.
Maybe it’ll be a bigger consideration if Heat spiral in the next month or so, but I doubt it. And even then, Kerr and Spo are close, if Kerr doesn’t want to work with JK, Spo likely won’t either.
I’m not sure if your picks would be valuable enough.
I thought our picks would be some of the most valuable, no? We have a bunch of FRPs post curry when we would be bottom of the barrel in the league
You wanna get rid of those to move kuminga tho? Better to keep I would assume
Cam T for Kuminga straight up?
Seems like an classic lose lose trade lol
The trade would simply be because neither team wants either of their respective players, and neither of these players want to be on their respective teams anymore.
A literal “Just get rid of him” trade
I don’t even like Cam but I’d think the Nets would be nuts to do that.
As a Nets fan who used to be a Cam Thomas supporter but has recently turned sour on him, I’d get rid of him for anything at this point
Can I ask why you soured on him?
He’s a black hole on offense, doesn’t play defense, and overall we look way better without him on the court. Him being on the court is actively hurting our ability to develop the rookies we drafted
He’s a black hole on offense, doesn’t play defense, and overall we look way better without him on the court.
Soo… basically the same as Kuminga?
Nets have won 3 out of their last 5 and while most of those were lottery teams, the ball is popping on offense in a way that it hasn’t in soooo long. No more Cam running out the shot lock for a crazy contested shot. Instead we have young and hungry playmakers that share the ball and this is def the direction the front office wants to take, a la OKC/Pacers team ball.
Nets are better without Thomas, I genuinely do not want to see him back in the rotation taking minutes away from Egor, Powell, Wolf, Saraf, etc.
Both are starter quality, but not winning players somehow
If that makes sense.
Feels like Kuminga could turn into one
both are starter quality
Kuminga is everything Cam is minus the efficient scoring and that’s the only thing Cam does. He is NOT a starter and the only reason anyone thinks that is this bizarre PR campaign he has that seems more built on shitting on Kerr than anything.
You don’t want cam. He’s a worse fit than JK in this offense.
Yeah, I know I don’t want Cam. I’m the Nets fan
Nets were always listed as an “interested” team because they had cap space. He’s not taking Clowney’s spot with that contract.
I do not buy The Nets have interest in Kuminga. Mike Scotto said as much in a recent podcast.
I feel like I’ve read this exact title the past like 3 years lol
Kuminga is the new Myles Turner. Always in trade discussions but never actually traded lol
He’s on a 1 year contract essentially. He’ll be gone this summer regardless
No thanks
Nets say no and if people listen to the video everything sounds past tense.
I feel like this is a weird way to frame it. We spent all summer signing him to an explicitly tradeable contract and that was clearly the plan all along. And we already talked to Nets about it in the summer. Him having a hot streak at the beginning wasn’t gonna change that. I know some fans started rethinking it when he was playing well, but FO plan was def still to trade him. It can still be true that someone in the FO told Amick there wasn’t anyone better on the market but nothing actually changed, things “going south” didn’t change anything. Jan 15th was always the date.
His hit streak had me excited for his trade value, but then he reverted back to being mid level bud in a top shelf jar
Need nic claxton on the warriors
nets would be out of their mind to trade claxton for kuminga
Yeah it might be too late for that honestly. His value is like at his lowest atm
Kuminga is definitely at the lowest even got pressured into giving him a contract
even if he was still playing like he did at the start of the season it still wouldn’t be worth it for the nets
Won’t happen lol
I’ll believe it when I see it
Kuminga, Hield, Moody, and TJD for Michael Porter Jr. and Day’Ron Sharpe
Warriors throw in a pick. MPJ plays the 4 in closing lineups, and is big enough to be a factor against the bigger teams in the West. Sharpe would be an awesome option to have as a rebounder.
3 Teamer where Brooklyn sends Claxton to NOLA or Charlotte -> Warriors get back Sharpe + Miles Bridges OR Trey Murphy + Looney
Salary math likely doesn’t require Moody. Otherwise, similar framework as above, but involves a 3rd team that is looking for a center. Trey Murphy obviously requires significant pick compensation. I imagine a pick goes to Brooklyn too.
There would have to be way more than “a pick” going back to Brooklyn in either of those Deals.
Those “Trades” are Brooklyn gives up good Players for garbage in return and maybe get “a pick”.
Especially that first “Trade” where GS gets a 6’10” Forward playing at an All Star level plus a Center who is a rebounding machine for nothing in return.
Hard Pass.
I agree. That guy is a classic homer who overvalues his team’s players and picks. It would have to be something like the Warriors 2026 pick (unprotected), 2028 pick (unprotected, most valuable pick in the trade), 2030 pick (top 5 protected)
Which I would do. I’ve long been on the “go all in while we still have Steph” train. Steph/Butler/MPJ/Butler with our bench actually has a shot (even if it’s like 1%). The current roster does not.
NOLA would need a bucket of firsts to trade Murphy for Claxton, esp with Queen coming on.
Definitely. Warriors 1sts starting in 2028 are super valuable though.
I personally think they’d be crazy to trade Trey Murphy. I realize they are in a tough spot but seems to me like Fears-Murphy-Queen is something.
Both of those trades are gonna quite some serious draft capital going out the door lmao.
Trey Murphy would be so sick
no shit getting a star player for a dude that gets dnp cd’d on a team that is struggling for wing minutes would be sick
It’s obvious you are a warriors fans from the bucket of scraps other teams are getting for better players. Esp NOLA giving up Trey Murphy lmao
It’s hilarious you think Charlotte would entertain trading for this bum.
Brooklyn gets “1 pick” to give up three rotational players and maybe get another pick from a tanking team that will never convey.
WTF compensation is that.
i don’t know what they expected to happen
i think people saw lebron and really thought that curry, durant, and butler types would age better as well
but lebron’s stamina took a hit at that age as well, he’s just an athletic freak, i think people who can be objective knew that those guys were definitely declining more than people tried to act like they were
i don’t think kuminga and poole were especially great by any means, but i do think the warriors staff and some of their players (green) really didn’t help themselves with the pretty crazy mistreatment of younger players the last few years
they needed to bolster with youth, not try to ride and die with butler curry and green lol, that two timeline plan really backfired miserably and made all involved look dumb as hell
curry “quietly” getting done kind of dirty in these last few years tbh, it’s looking like kobe’s last few years with the lakers when they kinda just kept putting trash around him, kobe was definitely not the same player after injuries, but that doesn’t really change the fact the rosters fucked sucked around him
They had their chance they just missed on all their picks
Curry durant seem fine though? Don’t know butler enough to have a take on him and how he used to look vs now.
Horford looks like a lost cause tho
Butler arrived midseason and turned a .500 team to an .800 team. He still has it too.
curry and durant just have a lot more ‘sleepy’ stretches, curry has had some long stretches the last couple of years where he looks… not great, and those are the stretches that help tank the warriors record into play in territory
people just try to pretend those stretches don’t exist and he’s still that superstar player every game, but he’s just not
I can’t seem to remember Kobe in the 2nd round of the playoff with a real shot at ECF
The Nets had bundles of cap space to sign him, both in summer 2025, and summer 2026.
It cost Denver a post-jokic unprotected 1st rounder to free up salary. I’m not sure that Golden State will like the price the Nets give them. Kuminga is not a good fit to begin with.
we have a perfectly operable Zeke Nnaji contract available for salary purposes
Who could’ve seen this coming lol.
Kerr: “They have 8 guards to choose from, let’s do it!”
Id take one year of Kuminga to get off of JIs contract.
Devos family isn’t trading their prodigal son future puppet governor and senator
Kuminga + salary, maybe a pick for MPJ, who says no?
MPJ incoming
They had to rave about him to boost his stock
Even if the Nets have interest, zero reason to trade for him now. Keep tanking and wait for the offseason when you can get him for pennies on the dollar when the Warriors absolutely have to move him
Exactly lol. Not sure why Brooklyn think it will be a huge bidding war for him?
The nets had the cap space to make an offer that GS would have had a tough time matching, nothing has changed for them to offer assets.
Motherf…
Y’all could handled this foolishness seasons ago.
but two timelines!!
Two timelines can work. Kuminga is just ass.
If Warriors drafted Franz they might be contenders right now.
Warriors really fumbled the bag with their picks lol
I think things could have been different if they had 2 chances to hit on a player in the top 10 of the draft. Heck, just give them the 2nd overall pick and I’m sure things would have been different. Their team would have really benefitted if they drafted a center in that range.
Nets can just sign him in the offseason
Brooklyn Nets are the Hufflepuff of the NBA
The Nets are what the Clippers will be in 2-3 years when Harden and Kawhi aren’t on the team anymore and they don’t have any draft picks 🤷♂️
As a Nets fan I’d only be interested in Kuminga because Jordi could possibly raise his value to where the team option is a possibility so he could be flipped next year as an expiring.
Nets could trade CT and Sharpe for JK and maybe 2 2nds then hope to sell high on JK in 27 and if he stinks decline PO and let him walk.
Would hate to lose Sharpe but with Clax-Clowney-Wolf they have a nice collection of bigs. Sharpe has improved massively though and would be a boon for a contender. He’s an underrated defender where he can protect the rim and move his feet and is a pretty good finisher. He absolutely could fill the Looney role to a tee.
What they gonna gets from the Brooklyn that’s going to help them now? MOJ can hoop but can’t play a lick of defense and other teams probably got better stuff to give Brooklyn for him.
Kuminga is the GOAT, if we measured it as proportion of time we talk about the player compared to their impact on the court.
The Warriors’ insistence on playing small is their undoing.
Front Office has been so bad. They panicked and got Jimmy Butler instead of younger big men that can develop.
Their picks have been horrendous. Podz, Wiseman, Kuminga. I mean bruh.
This has got to be cope. The Nets had no interest in making him a RFA offer, why would they wanna trade for him!?
I’m calling bullshit. Nets had little interest before he got signed. We want no part in that contract unless there is serious draft capital for us in the package. It’d need to be capital + Kuminga for Cam Thomas to work. Warriors wouldn’t give us post-steph capital, and we don’t want to take on salary for nothing. We won’t let Golden State out of the 2nd apron for nothing.
Kuminga is just a bad fit long-term, too. Everyone getting minutes now (except for maybe Terrance Mann) could plausibly be part of a playoff team in 2-3 years. Kuminga is not a piece that a star would want to play with in 2-3 years when we start making moves in FA.
RIP Kum splash bros
Kuminga fumbled the bag so, so, so badly. Didn’t he have an offer for a contract for 75m in 3 years during the summer, way before all the contract disputes started?
And then it was 2 years T.O. and he wanted 2 years P.O.
Dude is not gonna get 25m a year in this market. He might get lucky and get maybe 10m, but I’m not even sure about that at this point.
hopefully he goes to a team he can get the minutes to play through mistakese and develop
Would it be safe to say Golden State has kinda ditched the idea of their young core until Curry announces his retirement?
Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody, Baldwin, Poole. The only one that’s still hanging is Podz
Kind of but they have some young guys showing a lot of promise this year. Moody gets significant minutes and is doing very well from 3. Will Richard’s is doing very well considering his draf position and Quinten post is coming into his own defensively.
For all that is good, please make it happen.
Is it that time of year again?
What is Kuminga’s trade value? He doesn’t see much play on a team that is constantly fighting to make it to the play ins…
Just get it over with already. It’s too little too late but at this point just need to cut and run.
When betting on yourself backfires, yikes
Theyre addicted to setting this guy up for failure and acting surprised he is disgruntled
Warriors front office completely squandered Curry’s last years with them
does everyone just forget 2022 happened? Most stars would be happy with a title in the last 4 seasons.
Y’all had three first round picks in 2020 and got basically nothing from them while Curry has been playing at a high level that whole time.
go look at your own draft history and like half the guys are probably out of the league already. we traded dlo for wiggins and the kuminga pick and wiggins got us a title. We didn’t need the kuminga pick to be anything, it was a freebie and we got a title out of the transaction. winning and drafting is hard. Giannis and Jokic only have one title. Luka has zero.
People also act like injuries haven’t happened. Wiggins had a whole family emergency. Dray beat Poole up. Klay slowed all the way down. Last year was a solid opportunity, but Curry got injured.
In hindsight there are always picks. Even if we got Lamelo, he hasn’t played and Poole probably doesnt go curry lite in 2022 to secure a chip. Franz may not develop the same for us as on the Magic.
Nonetheless, we straight up won a chip. Any and everything after that is gravy. I dont ever see the nuggets or okc talking shit about it either, which are the only other teams that could.
I don‘t want to read about this bum anymore
Why, Nets? Why?
I mean from a warriors perspective Claxton makes a ton of sense. Don’t know why the nets would want Kuminga though.
NO
His media chatter to actual production ratio has to be highest of all time.
Warriors need a an athletic 6’10-7 footer. ENOUGH with all these 6’8 dudes that ALWAYS get dominated by true athletic bigs like AG and Paolo. Should’ve trade traded his behind for Markkanen when they had the chance
I hear Klay is available
trade him to the mavericks for Klay