[Spears] The Sacramento Kings continue to have interest in acquiring Jonathan Kuminga. However… while Malik Monk might still be available in a package, the previously included first-round pick is no longer expected to be part of Sacramento’s offer.
The price of the brick is going down
The Co-op is in shambles.
The Warriors want it to be one way
But it’s the other way
The Warriors acting like they got an inelastic product.
Mike Dunleavy Jr. giving them too many 40 degree days.
God. This whole comment thread is going to make me rewatch again….for the 20th time. Thank you.
Kings are still trying to buy expired weed like it’s a good deal
I’m always telling my weed guy “Dont give me any of that expired weed!
We-ee-duh!
Stay off it
Weed…. has actual expiration dates now.
Strange days indeed
yall already got that in Keegan Murray making $150m
bro is supposed to be a 3pt shooter yet has a worse 3P% than Kuminga lmaoooo
JK would be a lot better away from Kerr
Yesterday’s price is not today’s price
Buy for tew, sell for one
Fine, I’ll watch the Wire again.
Only thing going down is the offer, not Kuminga’s value
When I have a surplus in Catan:
Yesterday’s price is NOT today’s price.
As predicted, not-playing Kuminga does not miraculously increase his trade value like the Warriors fans thought this summer.
If he keeps shooting 1⁄10 his value will plummet even further 🥴
You honestly think that will be an ongoing trend??
Seeing the way hes played the last 3 games, maybe…
Cam Whitmore just went 2-11 in back to back games so the Wizards just DNP’d him
The warriors could have listened to their fans who don’t follow draft prospects intensively and compounded on the Kuminga mistake and selected him instead of Podz. Boy that would be such a nightmare.
As a Kings fan, I’d rather trade a pack of Newport’s and a bag of chips for Cam Whitmore than over-paying for Kuminga.
I think he’d still be playing if his shot selection, effort and IQ were on point but those are the things that he’s never been consistent with.
You also have to consider the Kings picks increased in value since the offseason
The offer was a lottery protected 2030 pick, or the worst of the Kings/Spurs 2031 picks if the 2030 didn’t convey. Those aren’t any more valuable now than they were two months ago.
It’s more valuable to the Kings now?
Is it? It’s not really possible to determine the value of most picks that far out.
his play didn’t exactly miraculously increase his value either.
He played well to start the season. He was hurt a bit, and now hasnt got his mojo back yet. It’s been up and down. Who knows where it goes from here. Sports fans are so reactionary to whatever just happened yesterday and forget the future can be different. JK is only 23. Moody’s minutes have dropped lately also but nobody talkin about that, cuz it’s just in season fluctuations. The dubs were middling and needed some shake-ups, so here they are.
He played well for 4 games before he want back to his old antics.
It wasn’t about his trade value really more about the contract
This 100%
JK’s $22.5 million contract + the fact that we can basically trade 4 1sts (+ swaps) was always seen as the better option thank trading JK + another contract (Hield or Moody likely) for Malik freaking Monk
It was really annoying how nobody understood the BYC stuff this offseason. It made no sense to trade him then.
No but now they can do a 1 for 1 salary match for a better player as opposed to the base year comp nonsense.
Any Warriors fan that claimed his value would be higher was delusional. But he’s now much more tradable with his current contract (either as simply to match for a $22m player or as an expiring to the team taking him to get long term money off the books). So they still made the correct call to hold for a better offer from Sac over the summer. Maintaining that salary slot was the Dub’s #1 priority.
I’m just not sure they’re going to get a better player than a Malik Monk level dude, and even then, that gets offset by a notably uglier contract like Jerami Grant or something.
Any player worth his \(20M is simply not going to be on the table for Kuminga, because why would you trade a properly paid \)20M talent for effectively an expiring? Obviously this provides more cap flexibility, which is a win, but thinking you’ll get a notably better player than Malik Monk seems a bit wrong. Then factor in the lost pick, even one that is protected, and you very likely will get less value now.
The general idea is the team receiving him gets cap flexibility and an unprotected (or multiple) post-Steph first round pick. People want to clown on the warriors because Kuminga is grossly over-reported, but they didn’t just suddenly become stupid.
We have like 10 guards why would be trade a position of need for another one?
We aint trading for a worst version of Post in Vuc either
We can for this roster. We absolutely don’t need another guard.
I’m not sure why I need to tell this to a Clippers fan, but we can actually trade picks with JK’s salary for a much better player thank Monk.
If you’re the Pelicans, would you consider Trey Murphy for JK and a bunch of picks? I feel like it’d be pretty dumb not to given where they are.
Coby White could be a possibility since he’s an expiring and Bulls are too cheap to pay Giddey and White.
But mostly you’re correct. Monk or players like Monk are the only realistic scenario here.
Yeah… The insane complexity of the cap makes it hard for folks to understand that GSW would have to trade Kuminga AND Moody/Hield to make the trade with Sac work. It never made sense from an asset management standpoint for you guys to do anything other than hold firm with him.
Throughout all of this I cannot tell if Warriors are trying for one last Steph hurrah (others have pointed out they can now trade away more of their FRP picks) or if this is all prepping for post Steph. Or worse, more of the both paths strategy.
they can do a 1 for 1 salary match for a better player
ok, what better player?
What better player makes ~22m/year (because it needs to be about the same money for salary matching purposes), is available on the trade market, and the other team is ok with swapping this hypothetical better player for JK on an expiring?
It’s not just Kuminga, this is a real phenomena across the league.
The longer a player is unavailable, the more idealised he becomes, and the more fans (and apparently actual front offices) want him.
Seen this happen loads with bench guys for the Magic.
It’s like the box could be anything. It could even be a boat starting-caliber player!
IDK, playing him might be dropping his value faster…dude is straight buns.
Playing him doesnt get us a better record, either.
It’s not that anyone thought he’d have trade value on his own. They were always going to ship him out with picks attached and use him mostly to match salary.
It’s pretty clear what Warriors are doing. They’re waiting for a team that had some expectations but failed (i.e. Bulls/Clippers) or is already tanking to trade a serviceable starter that fits their system and/or picks for Kuminga. Not sure if it will work out or if any team is going to for this, but the idea is that some NBA team is going to want Kuminga for his potential and belief that he will improve/develop on a different team. Warriors think they don’t really need to play him at all and his brief stints of scoring 20⁄30+ pts during the playoffs is already enough to show his potential.
What player exactly?
Like, come up with some hypothetical mock trade that makes sense for both teams,
Yeah but if we play him we lose
The FRP they were offering in the summer had heavy protections. I don’t get why this always gets reported as if the Kings were offering an unprotected FRP. Also the last thing this Warriors roster needs is another guard on the team who can’t play defense.
THANK YOU
I couldn’t believe how annoyingly misleading all the reporting was. Kings were practically guaranteed to be in the lottery this year. A lotto protected pick is garbage when the team is almost certain to not make the playoffs.
Kuminga would surely take them to playoffs. Light the beam and everything.
Woah now hang on Kuminga could really turn this Kings team around
idk if they were guaranteed to be in the lotto, they sure didnt seem to think they were gonna be since they made a bunch of moves to “compete”
I am convinced that half of nba subreddit doesn’t understand how pick protections work
It’s probably one of those pick protections where it converts to 2 second round picks rather than lose the protection after a few years if they keep sucking.
Doesn’t understand how pick protections work
Can you take over Bulls front office right now please? (jk but for the longest we just didn’t do pick protections.. I’m not 100% sure we always do now anyways😭😭)
To get more engagement and clicks. Just that.
The Kings were offering a lottery protected first that conveyed into the swapped pick in 2031 to the Spurs.
IT was a guaranteed FRP, Warriors were really fucking dumb to decline it tbh. Thank god the Warriors protected the Kings from their own stupidity.
The Warriors would have had to salary dump Moody to a third team to make the trade.
That trade made no sense for the Warriors.
It was Buddy they’d have to salary dump and in retrospect that would’ve been a great trade.
They could have also salary dumped Buddy, but they almost certainly would have had to attach some draft capital to make it happen.
Buddy was a neutral asset at worst with his $9M deal.
There were only a couple teams who had room to take him without sending salary back, none of them need a 33-34 year old Buddy Hield, and they would want to be compensated.
The Warriors were very smart not to take that awful deal.
That offer from SAC was ass.
You guys were trying to give Monk away to anyone that would take him - the NBA doesn’t pay small, no defense shooting guards that kind of money anymore.
It wasn’t ass, it’s a lot more than Kuminga was worth.
Monk was and is still a much better player than Kuminga. I want nothing to do with Kuminga on my team, I just thank god Warrior’s management saved the Kings from making a dumbass decision.
Warriors would have had to include other contracts - you do realize that right?
Adding monk does nothing for this warriors team. We’re already too small. We need a frontcourt player, and the flexiubility on JK’s deal + the draft capital we have is much more likely to get that return.
thinking Monk is better than JK is classic Kings copium
its like when yall called Sabonis-Haliburton a win-win trade cause Kings made playoffs one time lol
As opposed to paying a guy $23.4 to be a bench guy that management hates?
1 year contract vs 3 year contract
And I do think some teams will believe that Kuminga can be better in a different system
Also the last thing this Warriors roster needs is another guard on the team who can’t play defense.
So true.
What they really need is a $24m/year tweener who can’t shoot, pass, or defend.
They don’t need either lol. Point is that this whole Kuminga thing is a disaster and getting Monk is just taking on a bad contract for a player who doesn’t fit them whatsoever. I’d rather they just let Kuminga walk.
DONT FORGET
we also had to trade buddy and moody in the summer and that is no longer there. no shit it’s going down
How’s Markkanen trade value now?
Higher than Kuminga I with think. Not as high as Danny Aimee thought he was gonna get though 5 frp lol
That dude absolutely does not care, I swear he’d ask you now for like 8 firsts just cause he likes overvaluing and keeping his franchise in shambles
Ainge doesn’t believe in trades that don’t involve absolutely fucking the other party over.
Danny Ainge would fit in perfectly in the fantasy football community.
Did you say 8? I meant 9.
I don’t know how Ainge still has a job tbh. He bungled the Spida trade so badly, and didn’t trade any of his vets at remotely peak value, especially Lauri. Dude should’ve been gone 3 seasons ago after his home cooking all-star appearance.
Hang onto a vet until they are worth 2 second round picks while you are regularly playing for the lotto is the best strategy.
He bungled the Spida trade so badly, and didn’t trade any of his vets at remotely peak value
Second bit is true but how on earth did he bungle the Mitchell trade?
Did he not get peak value for Gobert?
He did and that trade has warped everyone’s expectations going forward.
It’s what happens when you think you HAVE to win every trade by a landslide and don’t believe both team can get value out of it.
Yep. This is exactly why the Celtics let him go, because they realized after the KG/Pierce trade that he was looking for that sort of thing all the time when that just doesn’t happen
Aimee, what you gonna do?
Good job, Warriors
The front office has consistently over valued Kuminga while Kerr has consistently not liked how he fits. This disconnect between FO and coaching staff is going to results in basically three wasted years. They could have traded him after 2023 and gotten way better value for him
we could’ve had Markannen right now lol for Kuminga and Podz and a couple of picks.
If the Warriors had traded for Markkanen last year they also likely don’t have Butler right now either.
I’d much rather have Butler. Lauri played 47 games last year.
Some of those missed games were purely for tanking reasons though, no?
Basically anytime he gets a bump they’re gonna sit him to protect his long term health
Lauri averages like 55 games a season for the last 7+ years.
Have you seen how long that jazz tank has been
This is his 3rd team. He’s been hurt every year
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. He averaged 56 games a year before he got to Utah
Bro, did you really just try that argument? Yes, Lauri has averaged just 56 games per season the last seven seasons. That’s true. And that’s dragged down a fair bit by the Jazz holding him out in all but 47 games due to tanking.
But Jimmy Butler has averaged just 58 games per season for the last seven seasons.
Jimmy Butler has 2 finals appearances and multiple ECF appearances in said span.
I don’t even remember the last time, if ever, Lauri has played playoff basketball
Yes that was not a real thing. As soon as the trade deadline loomed, they put him out there and let him score, put up a double double or something.
You would rather have Butler?
Does Butler age not concern you?
He’s got one more year left. Then Warriors do a full rebuild.
We’re on Steph’s timeline so not really
Not really
So idk if you know this, but our best player is older.
They could have had Siakam for him lmao.
the warriors have been consistent with the fact that whey flat out dont want Malik Monk, whatever the reason is
He’s not moving the needle. The warriors want someone all-star level for a package including kuminga
You’re right. We should just ask daddy silver to orchestrate a move to give us another generational superstar. How stupid of us to not think of that.
To fuck things up so badly that even the kings and their awful front office won’t give you meaningful stuff for him is WILD
I guess the fuck up is not playing him enough? Or not trading him earlier? He’s just not that good or consistent. He’s not really worth a player and a first round pick.
The fuck up was almost certainly not trading him earlier despite knowing Kerr never liked him and did not want to play him
Agreed. It seems like a Lacob problem honestly
The GM is new so we hold out hope of competency for now
The Kings and Warriors swapping Kuminga and Monk is literally just the definition of making a move for the hell of it.
JK would be infinitely better on Kings than under Kerr
And Malik would look way better next to Steph
Idk about next to Steph but 6th man off the bench would be incredibly helpful for them.
But idk. Seems like the Warriors may have found their spark off the bench already these last few games
That’s the delusion I love to see
Will JK get more minutes to put up more points? Undoubtedly yes. Will the Kings win more? Nope.
Kuminga should thank Kerr. He can’t get any minutes, and people blame the Kerr instead.
They’re gonna pick up his team option this summer aren’t they? Do this whole will-they/won’t-they thing another year
I promise you all that the Warriors don’t want Malik Monk. They will not execute a trade that ends with Malik Monk on their roster.
The only way the Kings get JK is if they include an actual good player or draft compensation or find a third team that does want a guy like Monk who can route a different player the Warriors want to the Warriors.
lol Monk is a better player than JK. Y’all a crazy, it was bad enough during the off season but to double down with “we won’t move JK unless we get a good young player or great draft compensation” while you’re actively DNPing him now is so bananas. Like cool. Enjoy having him walk or eventually be traded for nothing of value, like if the Warriors don’t value him, why on earth would the league over pay for this bad asset.
Monk isn’t enough better than JK to entice us to take on yet another shooting guard that also has a player option for the year we’re hoping to have the books pretty much cleared.
It’s less about “Is Monk better than JK?” (He is), than it is about “Does having Monk occupy JK’s roster spot make the team better?” (It doesn’t).
Not every trade should be viewed in a straight 2k-esque 1-for-1.
Monk is definitely not better than JK
I’m not sure they need another guard.
The Bulls have picks to trade and an expiring 20m contract in Vucevic. He’s obviously not a great defender, but he could help run the offense especially when Steph/Draymond are not on the floor.
I highly doubt the warriors want Vuc, but I could see the warriors and Bulls working out a 3 team trade.
They were interested in a trade last year but the Bulls asking price was too high at the time.
Post and Horford make Vuc pretty unnecessary. We have a way bigger need at the 4
Thought the Horford plan was to bubble wrap him for playoffs not 30mpg every regular season gamelol
Thats before Post became better than him on a consistent basis. No need for him now
lol no. The dubs don’t need Vuc. Post is already better than him.
two timelines dubs are killing it
The 2nd timeline’s the one winning games lately.
2nd string*
Time is a flat string
Then simply the Kings won’t get him
Y’all keep replying and it’s weird. I just said the truth
That’s more than ok
Good, let us (unintentionally) tank in peace instead of getting Kuminga and trying to build around him.
Great
Thank god
they turned that down in the first place bc they didn’t want monks contract lol
Also they didn’t want to send Hield back to match salary. I guess now that they don’t have to, the Kings don’t feel like adding on their end either.
Give me a break. Hes not in prison. He is making 20+ million dollars and doesn’t want to put in the effort
Warriors FO since Jerry West left has been so mediocre.
And still won championships too
Agree the only really impactful moves made by the Warriors without West are getting Poole late in the first round and getting Wiggins for DLO and they were both pivotal parts in their last championship.
if winning a championship is mediocre, then 80% of front offices are bad
so Warriors are giving up Kuminga who is effectively expiring for a smaller player who has 2.5 years left on his contract
Who said the warriors will do that
You must not be familiar with r/nba s Warriors hypotheticals.
This is just Sac’s offering, not what Warriors want. I don’t see this happening with all the guards already on the roster.
Who can actually play the game of basketball at a somewhat high level.
What I don’t get, is why Kuminga, who is the larger player, doesn’t just eat Monk???
What other players could the Warriors go after in a Kumigna trade?
An undersized scoring guard in Malik Monk, while not a bad player at all, seems like the opposite of what this Warriors team needs haha
We’d not take that offer. Though, his value right now is crazy low.
Why not
Because the front office will still think they can get more or better.
And that worked out so well last time…
nothing that happened before Jan 15 matters, they weren’t trading him for 50% his value
Though, his value right now is crazy low.
So true. Just one more year of this limbo, just one more, and he will finally be valued like the superstar he is.
That’s what Joe Lacob thinks, ha.
Spears is a hack. A Warriors mouthpiece.
Ughhhhhhhh. Just fucking tank you fuck asses.
I don’t think Kings acquiring Kuminga does anything bad for the tank
You’re probably right lol it honestly probably helps, but I’m just over trying to get this fucking guy. It’s like Lavine all over again. Vivek sets his eyes on a shit player and it’s “let’s try and get him till the end of time.”
YESTERDAYS PRICE IS NOT TODAYS PRICE
Can the Kangz stop Kangzing for a bit? Vivek needs to let go of his obsession for anything GSW. Be your own person, my guy.
In his defense, he also became obsessed with the 2023 Chicago Bulls
Won’t happen- in his little tech mind he probably thinks Golden state being located in SF is the Mecca of the nba and wants to be associated with that in any way possible.
Warriors please don’t
thx
don’t get why people aren’t more open to the fit of Malik on the dubs. are you guys seeing the offense when jimmy and steph are off the court, especially down the stretch?? Shoutouts to Pat and everything, guys hooping, but they desperately need more than one guy that can dribble the ball lol
The front office never understood sunk cost and kept holding onto bad assets hoping it’ll recover.
Holy shit, Kings. Why the fuck are you doing this to yourselves? Somebody take the ownership controls from Vivek.
Warriors looking for something better like Gianni’s
Like shit to a fly
this relationship is so fkn weird lol. trade deadline needs to hurry up
Boooooooooooooooo
Did anyone watch the clip? He said its going to be a bigger player than monk. warriors made it clear they didnt want monk, thats probably why hes not in the package
It’s only the kings that would offer a frp for kuminga.
I mean to add on to this, wtf are the kings’ plan? I thought they were supposed to be tanking.
Why tho
…why?
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Kukinga
Jerami Grant would be interesting. He’s older, but can space the floor better than Kuminga can. Terrible rebounder though especially for his size. He’s also somewhat of a ball stopper so not sure he would fit into Kerr’s system.