that’s BPM - EPM was generally considered pretty good for an all-in-one stat in 21-22, 22-23 and 23-24. Then Shai topped the lists in 24-25 and this season (Shai might have lead in 23-24 but I forget and i don’t pay for dunksandthrees).

and i agree, the DBPM part of it that you referenced in your second sentence is incredibly stupid.

You’re thinking of BPM on basketball reference

Hey man, I think they might just vote him 4th now

Okc will repeat then next season the ringer voters will vote denver as title favorite 7-1 because they added kyle kuzma to their bench or somethingh

The r/NBA best player ladder is even more brutal than the NBA MVP ladder lol

Idk man if he does this back to back we might have some uncomfortable discussions about him MAYBE passing Luka /s

Curry will retire and go up in rankings

He 100% is and has achieved the awards Luka fans been saying he would get for years now. And once again it’s shai Jokic in the mvp race Luka is once again a after thought

Assists contribute to every positions DBPM, as do all of the stats used in BPM’s calculation.

They’re stats for ppl who never played sports 

They’re stats for nerds who can’t run a sub 12-minute mile

Shai has higher actual DARKO since last year. It’s just that it is a rolling average stats so it still includes he bad years like 2022.

pbpstats.com

The turnovers edge is unironically gargantuan compared to the efficiency edge 

Either one of the two of them can look like easily the BITW any given night, they’re both that much better than everyone else, which is saying a lot.

Anyone who says one is definitively more talented than the other is just lying to themselves (not that you can’t have a preference of Jokics passing, Shais defense, etc.).

I think the big differentiator in a lot of advanced stats, and the reason I personally see Shai pulling ahead, is literally just Jokic has a tendency to take halves or even games off. I don’t blame him, he’s a big fuckin dude, but Shai doesn’t really do that so it doesn’t weigh down his impact metrics that tiny bit like it does for Jokic.

Keep in mind OKC’s schedule though, Shai will still be excellent but I expect these numbers to drop slightly once they get into the latter half of the season

Nuggets fans tend to give Shai flowers more than any other fanbase

Jokic has never been this good, and it’s pretty obvious. Shai is on GOAT level just doesn’t have the track record. Elite defense and offense. Notice how Jokic stans stopped using advanced stats ever since SGA pulled way ahead. All they have now is outdated BPM who not only has Jokic ridiculously high, it ranks Reed Sheppard as the 11th best player lmao.

I think peak over longevity makes sense when the peak is leading to titles

Like any team would take 2 titles in 2 years over being very good but not quite dominant for a decade that’s an obvious choice to make

For example Shaq could have retired right after 2002 and I’d still probably have him top 10 all time they’re not going to take away the 3 straight FMVPs because he didn’t play longer lol

Ultimately when anyone debates “who was the better player?” they almost always really mean “who was better at his best?” because for example no one cares if 2014 Tim Duncan or current LeBron is better so I don’t see why rankings shouldn’t reflect that as well

he’d still be short of top 10 imo, but he’d firmly be in the top 15 conversation

Here’s roughly how I see my top 15 (roughly in this order):

1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Russell
7. Chamberlain
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
11. Hakeem
12. Steph
13. KD
14. Big O
15. Dr. J

2 rings and 2mvps feels like he can be slotted pretty easily ahead of KD/Big O/Dr. J - and it’s a convo with Steph and Hakeem. I think you need 3 rings to break into the top 10

I’m a Kobe stan, and even I know that we’re witnessing the greatest guard peak since prime MJ. As great as Kobe was, he was never able to quadruple crown in a single season

I’m taking SGA over Kobe idc what anyone says

kd wasnt no.1 before sga took over btw

lol you stepped into an sga thread..get the fuck outta here bitch

Dude cut it the fuck out lol. He’s ahead of Jokic right now let alone Luka lmfao

Dude said Luka 😂🫵

Luka has no argument over Shai except voter fatigue.

At what

Shai is having the best season in the history of the nba

you will never stop dickriding him, don’t you? Even when the guy “supposedly” from your team is overtaking him in real time

This did get me thinking about how the 3 best players in the world are on small market teams.

Source?