[Windhorst] Giannis Antetokounmpo requested to be traded from the Milwaukee Bucks this past Summer.
I will choose to take Brian Windhorst’s statements as 100% accurate today.
It floors me that after so many reporters have said similar things, people still think they’re all just lying or something.
It’s because people want to think competitive stars are so emotionally attached to the city that they’re willing to stay despite the continuing losses
Giannis has made it known that he’s willing to move on if he felt that there was a better situation out there
Even Dame Lilliard, whose brand is the loyalty guy, asked out to compete somewhere else.
Remember when everyone thought the league was fucked because the Gianni’s and dame pick n roll would be unguardable? Such a shame we never got to see them click
Remember when everyone thought the league was fucked because the Gianni’s and dame pick n roll would be unguardable?
Yes. Yes I do. sigh
I wonder which better situation he was thinking of before the season started…
Giannis has had trade rumors for the last half decade, dawg.
The media was saying Giannis was gone after the Bucks lost to the raptors in 2019.
Well the media drummed up rumors, then the bucks traded for Jrue. They won a title and rumors cooled off. Rumors back on and then they traded for dame.
You don’t think it’s at all possible, and I would say likely, that Giannis’ camp has been the one putting out feelers to the media to pressure the bucks. Just because he hasn’t been traded or he hasn’t publicly said it himself, doesn’t mean all these people in the media are lying.
Right, and while he hasn’t publicly asked out, he has publicly had both non commital answers and commitments on the basis that the team is winning. He’s been very clear that his primary goal is winning, with a preference of the winning happening in Milwaukee, but the winning is the non-negotiable side, not the city.
I believe you but I honestly don’t remember reading anything about that in 2019 at least. I definitely remember hearing it in 2020 after they got eliminated by the Heat though
It wasn’t as definitive as the “he gone” stuff Shams and Windy have been pushing lately but Malika Andrews posted an article strongly questioning his future in Milwaukee and his desire to stay within minutes of us losing the ECF. He walked out of the press conference when she asked him a question not long after.
Oh yeah I actually remember that. That plus Woj dropping an article about Masai maybe leaving for the Wizards minutes after the Raptors winning the title. Really bizarre journalism was happening those playoffs lol
Yea that was a rough year for media questions. There was that, then immediately after the Raptors WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP Woj released an article about Kawhi to the Clippers and I think it was Doris Burke was asking Kawhi questions about his free agency while he’s being given the finals MVP trophy.
he was offended but doesn’t mean they were wrong. he just didnt want to discuss it publicly
notice how Bucks had to make a huge move every time before Giannis signed his extensions, clearly showing he was a threat to leave if something didn’t change
“Has had” trade rumors or “been in” trade rumors? I’m only asking because recently the distinction seems to have been important.
Yeah, it’s just this one guy though. Never BAM, never Jokic, not Booker, not Brunson, not Doncic or AD in LA (ahem).
It’s clearly Giannis using his leverage the whole time. Lebron does it too. They’re not wrong, but Giannis seems to want it both ways. Lebron actually left and when he could, he used 1 year contracts to maximize leverage.
Yeah, but every year since the chip the Bucks have gotten worse, which means every year it’s more likely that Giannis decides its over.
The lesson is those rumors were ALSO TRUE!
No.
Lmao
It’s because Giannis doesn’t have the spine to admit that he DID request the trade. On the contrary he keeps sweeping it under the rug with the “this is my city” bullshit. When it’s his words vs. reporters people of course assume the reporters are lying.
He’s doing what almost every other star does.
Going public with a trade means you have to play in front of fans that know you don’t want to be there until said trade happens. Don’t think most players want that so they do this dance.
The same/Myles moves def seemed like panic moves
I mean he v said when he’s on the court he all about the Bucks and I believe that. So him going this is my city during a game is probably how he feels and then he looks around when he’s not on the court and he sees the team is at a dead end and he wants to leave again
This is a hilarious explanation
It makes sense though. Very human. You can want to leave something while still taking pride in being a part of it.
Imagine going back to your home country, a desired vacation destination, with the money he has now meaning he gets to enjoy the best Greece has to offer … then going back to Milwaukee for work and waiting for winter to roll in
Full disclosure: I’ve been to Greece for vacation, never been to Milwaukee. Forgive my assumptions
Letting every front office know that you will not badmouth them even during the worst times is not the same as not having a spine. It’s called being a professional.
Yeah exactly, I don’t doubt that Giannis loves the city, the fans and everything. But I just don’t believe that Shams, Windy and basically every single reporter who reported this news like a million times already (Shams himself did it like 8 times probably), would do this without hearing a single thing from Giannis’ camp. There is no way they are constantly making this story up with so many pushbacks multiple times, reminds me of Butler’s agent saying Shams is lying and then next thing you know they are out.
Because they have been lying for 7 years
This sub irrationally hates Shams. Don’t get me wrong he does a lot of quid pro quo stuff with agents but he clearly wasn’t lying about the Giannis Knicks situation and this sub showed how biased they were for Giannis and against Shams
There was sooooo much smoke about LeBron going to LA…
Kevin Durant was signing with the knicks for 6 months…. Then 2 mins into free agency he was on the nets. They were wrong for 6 months. EVERY. SINGLE. One
its because it involves Giannis to Knicks and most people are on lolknicks train still
I don’t get this attitude in general. I get not wanting your guy gone, I get that small market teams get their guys rumored to be poached all the time. But the nba is a “smoke there’s fire” league. Tons of trades happen, almost every season has 2-4 big trades. Many of which have pushed the envelope of what we had previously believed likely - Davis to lakers; Durant; harden; Durant; Paul; Luka, Ect. So while I wouldn’t necessarily believe ever rumor the possibility that morant trae Giannis will be somewhere else by the deadline is not…. Shocking
I mean, I think they are. He’s been openly talking for years about how much he likes New York and playing in MSG (the Knicks also were the first team to take a chance on Thanasis, which he might appreciate). A lot of that is him trying to put pressure on the Bucks FO, but they’re now as leveraged as they possibly can be and just hoping that some iteration of “Giannis plus shooters” can contend and keep their star happy.
On the other hand, it’s also the case that New York can’t offer anything resembling equal value, so I don’t think he’ll end up coming here even if he wants out
Y’all are going to try to cook up some 3 way trade at the deadline shipping Towns out
knicks fans saw the luka trade and are now preordering their giannis NYK jersey.
This was reported in the offseason. If you guys didn’t go all in on bridges you would have Giannis already.
Same
Shams reported this multiple times in the summer and y’all called him a fraud. Windhorst even said today “I am not reporting anything different from what Shams already reported”.
Bahahahaha!!!
I don’t understand why people have such a hard time accepting the consensus reporting about this as true.
It’s genuinely so delusional, like he’s 31 years old on a dog shit team that has no way to get better, obviously he wants a trade. The most reliable reporter in the league has been reporting it for months!!!
I never really thought about his age. Didn’t realize he’d be past his age prime so soon, not that it’s necessarily going to hit him the same way it hits others.
with the way he plays i think he’s incredibly susceptible to the age cliff
The athleticism/shooting thing could hit hard if he doesn’t maintain his freak status, yeah
He’ll always be tall
Karl Malone almost made all NBA and averaged 21/8/5 at age 39. He was a better shooter than Giannis. But we’re seeing the athletic freaks and all time greats be very good-great to age 37+ these days (see harden, lebron, Steph, KD) even Westbrook is averaging 14/7/7 this year. Giannis is definitely closer to not being in his prime than he is to his peak, but he’s still averaging 31/11/6 on 64% shooting. His defense isn’t as good as his peak but his offense is better, he’s still a top 4 player in the league.
Wrong way of looking at it in my opinion. Giannis could put up empty stats until he’s 41, but I think the worry here is how many years of championship level play he has left as a #1 option
Westbrook might be averaging 14/7/7, but he was very close to not being in the NBA at all this season
Westbrook isn’t the best example, just showing that he’s still productive. Harden, KD and curry are all still doing all NBA level things and could certainly be the 2nd best player on a title team still, I expect Giannis to want to go to a place where he can be 1A or 1B, a la KG in Boston. His 22/12/6 with great defense era would extend his prime by a couple years imo.
That would be LA, OKC, the Knicks etc
Harden, KD and Curry are all great shooters. Dudes don’t typically lose that when they get old. Giannis relies on athleticism, size and smarts. He could absolutely stay great into his late 30s, but his lack of a jumper would make me think twice before putting money on it.
In the regular season, maybe. None of them have done shit in the playoffs lately.
Bucks fans REALLY defend Giannis and their team through delusion. I get it, but I don’t think it’s possible to have rational discourse about the Bucks with Bucks fans.
I can have it. If he’s out there secretly requesting trades just get rid of him at this point. I’m over it just like I was over Favre’s will he won’t he crap.
I’m kinda annoyed, cause Giannis has played a part in these awful front office decisions, forcing panic moves and overpaying to keep him make. His missed free throws lost important games. He was out for 2 playoffs in a row and still put his finger on the scales. He is not without blame himself for the current situation.
If this is all true, let’s just move on. At least I’ll know to be sad going into games instead of getting my hopes up.
Tbf we got pieces for him to compete over this past summer. Moving Dame cripples us a little bit, but we got Turner and our roster is competitive, but now that we are 21 games into the season, the needle is pretty far in the “It’s so over” side of things.
This is maybe the first time I could see him wanting out. He is past his prime, still an incredible player mind you, but he cannot carry a team to a championship the way he might have been able to in the past, especially in a league where FTs are the meta.
No bro you don’t understand, he said he would never leave the reports are lies! It’s the national media wanting him to get sent to a big market!
I love the upvotes cuz a few months ago the opposite was upvoted.
Because Giannis is treated with kid gloves.
Giannis has been passive aggressive with media comments and the shadow GM for years now and never gets any criticism.
I don’t think he gets criticism because most people completely understand why he’s frustrated. Bucks have done a terrible job for the most part since that championship run.
This is bullshit. They did not do a terrible job, every redditor and every gm would’ve done that Dame trade.
And they just got unlucky with Kris.
People are too results-biased. Just because something doesn’t work out / or even does work out, doesn’t mean good or bad decisions were made.
They’ve added alot of good pieces throughout* his career, most notably a future hall of famer in dame that was coming off one of his best seasons. They’re in milwaukee, it’s a solid job all things considered. Drafting has been a mixed bag but you can’t get everything right
Correct, Lillard then proceeded to decline and get injured as most small 33 year old PGs do, that was a poor trade and addition.
They built around him well yeah, that’s why they won a chip, but to act like they’ve been doing great since then is just not true. Hindsight in 20⁄20 but the Lillard addition wasn’t a good move.
You say hindsight is 20⁄20 but then proceed to make a statement as if you don’t understand that saying.
Every GM in the league would’ve said that was a good trade. Just because something doesn’t work out, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good decision.
Y’all need to stop only looking at the result to determine if something was the right decision or not.
I don’t think this is true at all, lots of people had reservations at the time about trading assets away for a 33 year old PG who had been pretty frequently injured in recent years.
No they did not. Every analyst in the league praised the trade.
Yesterday I saw some people arguing that Giannis’ social media people just decided to delete all that shit and update his bios without his input. Lmao. Some people still think he’s a fucking baby with no agency in his career
Some of the reactions to the Shams report this summer were insane. Shams report this summer had an entire section discussing a private meeting between Giannis, his agent, and Horst discussing a potential trade. It was never disputed by anyone involved. The only place he could have got that story was from one of those three people. Then there was further reports about his American agent doing his due diligence at looking at other teams he could be traded to. Also not disputed by anyone involved.
I get Shams is kind of a hack but he’s not reporting something like that if it’s not getting legitimately leaked to him and if it’s getting leaked to him someone has a reason they’re doing it.
Shams is a hack in the “he reports what people tell him to report when they tell him to report it” sense, not in the “literally making things up” sense.
Reminds me of Celtics fans calling him a straight liar this summer when he said Brad was taking calls on Brown/White. It’s literally his job to “take calls”.
Shams also is active in the literally make things up sense.
This same thing has been said every year for like 6 years now, followed by Giannis saying that he has no interest in leaving. At this point its just a buzz phrase to get clicks.
This line of argument doesn’t make any sense.
There’s quite a large distinction between someone like Bill Simmons speculating that Giannis might want to leave in the future and Shams reporting that talks took place between the Bucks and the Knicks.
I don’t think that Shams made up trade conversations that didn’t actually happen.
There’s quite a large distinction
Well yeah, there’s a big difference between the feelings of an individual and the business decisions of two franchises.
Shams reports what front offices and/or agents tell him to report, not the entirety of what happened. If 20 teams - including the Knicks - call the Bucks about Giannis and the Bucks tell all 20 of them to fuck off, the Knicks can run to Shams and get him to say “the Bucks and Knicks have had talks about moving Giannis.” They use to Shams for PR, nothing more.
Yeah which means that the implications of Giannis’s agent telling Shams that the Knicks and Bucks had talks over the summer are super fucking obvious
Who said anything about Giannis’ agent telling Shams? If Giannis’ agent had been the one to say it, Shams would have ended the tweet with “according to Mr. Cock and Mr. Balls of Whogivesashit Talent Ltd.”
Who else would have an inventive to leak that those talks occured?
The Bucks won’t want to upset Giannis or the fans
The Knicks don’t want trade rumors in their locker room.
Giannis’s agent is the only logical conclusion.
Can you please provide hard proof he said he has no interest in leaving?
Probably because Reddit is “consensus reporting” and we’ve seen how perfect it is.
Remember when Valančiūnas refusing to play for Denver was a big NBA story this summer?
Was that story fabricated or did JV change his mind? Which of those two is more likely?
I think Giannis gets traded, but that was also the “consensus reporting” the last 5 years.
Bucks fan and it’s been coming. He’s earned to say when he wants to leave Milwaukee and Horst should get a good haul for him.
And also, let’s say it is all a big lie from the evil media to prop up “”“big markets”“”: I still don’t see how Milwaukee wins in that situation. Like congrats you’re just stuck in purgatory for a few more years with no way to contend or build anything for the future? Really showed them!
I think Bucks fans are some of the most active on here and they were quick to defend Giannis in those threads before the season which then just sways the whole thread one way
because people are vastly overestimating why ESPN keeps bringing these things up. but they don’t seem to realize a) journalists can’t just make shit up from whole cloth, and b) everyone saying these things on ESPN is *getting fed that by someone who wants that out.*
Like, I don’t care that Stephen A. Smith would love Giannis on the Knicks, he can’t just will that into being. There is no smoke without some sort of fire.
Bucks fans are just delusional. We all knew this was true. Really had us believing Shams was lying.
Of course he did, but the Bucks control him for two more years, and unless there’s a trade that reboots with them with not only a winning plan but a star who can sell tickets, they are better off not doing anything.
If they consider a timeline more than 1 year long I don’t think that’s true
OKC/KD did it. i dont think you can point to that decision being the reason we won over a decade later.
i agree they should do something, but are probably gonna do nothing and watch as their superstar leaves for nothing in return.
They could have had Luka last season but said no.
Yeah but he wouldn’t have signed a new contract there like he did for LA
Giddey can be their new franchise guy and will bring all of Australia with him
Paolo?
hides
Clippers PR trying to bury CP3 news.
LOL. Here’s some green credits, Giannis, you can spend them in the EU. We need your agent to leak the usual shit.
Trade him already. He got us a championship. Let him go win somewhere else
I’m not even heartbroken on this news, he can dictate when he leaves but Horst needs to get something back so gotta buckle up for uncomfortable months probably
I’ll just be annoyed when the media instantly crowns him an MVP front runner again after his first 30/10/5 game with LA or NY.
Luka is having insane stats this season but two smaller market teams are dominating the mvp conversation. As they should btw sga and jokic are having better seasons.
It annoys me how bucks fans want to be victims so bad
Denver is not a small market on the same level as Milwaukee. OKC, yes
Ya’ll don’t have an awful roster – Myles, AJ Green, and Hollins are all entertaining players.
This may very well be true.
I would just hope torpedoing the entire organization by demanding to go to a place that can’t give anything resembling a legitimate return for him isn’t something he would do.
A trade with the Knicks for what they can send back would be franchise destroying.
How does Reaves sound
It’s a good start.
Kuminga + Podziemski coming to an arena near you, it won’t be cosmically terrible for the Bucks or anything
Pairing Luka with Giannis sounds good at first glance but not the best fit. Both prefer having the ball to initiate the offense and aren’t great off ball.
Giannis: Yeah buddy I am going to the Lakers for Reaves, salary and a pick
If by torpedoing you mean him half-assing it or disparaging his teammates/coaches, I don’t think that will happen.
But he has definitely earned the rights to sign with whoever he wants in FA and that might impact his trade value.
At the end of the day, he has given you all enough to make decisions that are best for him as opposed to the Bucks.
Any trade at all would put you in a better position than you are currently. The franchise is currently torpedoed, there is nothing worth preserving.
Atlanta could make such a big pick offer and match salaries with Trae Young + either Risacher or Daniels and instantly catapult to favorites in the East
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Yeah don’t think I’d be interested in Risacher
but may i interest you in the Pelicans unprotected first round pick this year lol
I think folks keep forgetting we have that. I am glad that Dairy Queen looks honestly really good though, because otherwise that would be very sad for the Pels.
yeah he’s been basically their lone bright spot
but trading away that pick is basically trading away a top 5 pick in a completely stacked draft. it’s a great asset that I feel like the Bucks would only pass on if Giannis demands a trade to a specific team.
losing both Dyson and Trae would be tough, even with injury concerns. and how do you trade trae like that? he should be on the champ team if it happens
Because I’m just not sure if there is any other way to make it work and you can not let Jalen go so what other premier asset do we have?
I agree though, a Trae + Jalen + Giannis starting lineup would be immediate favorites as legitimate contenders. Especially if we could somehow keep NAW
Porzingis, Risacher, and Dyson Daniels works salary wise, just gotta throw in enough picks and swaps for the Bucks
I love Jalen but if that’s the thing keeping us from Giannis and being Eastern favorites for 2 years then you gotta do it.
Trae-Dyson-Rizzler-Giannis-OO makes us better than any other Eastern team.
Take it from us Raps fans… Sometimes you have to move the homegrown fan favourite to make the push for that chip
KP money wise works better as the second player because his 30m clears after this season. You could do KP, ZR, and like Kennard or Mo Gueye or something, but the Bucks shouldn’t/wouldn’t do that with a side of picks.
It’ll have to be Trae and either KP or ZR
Giannis and Jalen doesn’t win us the championship unfortunately.
You need a PG to win.
Even if this doesn’t happen, I can’t believe we got out of the dejounte hell in like 2 years and completely turned our future around.
The pick is most valuable if the Bucks are bad. They basically don’t have to worry about a pick swap and also get another potentially high lottery pick from NOLA. They could set themselves up pretty well with this deep draft if the lottery balls fall their way but they probably need to move fast to ensure their odds are as high as possible.
Yo this is kinda cooking actually
They’re talking NBA on cleveland sports radio? Lol for the unengaged cleveland sports radio slurps the browns crazily while downplaying the cavs and guardians.
They do that here in the dc market too no matter how good the caps are
The interesting part to me is the Bucks called the Knicks. Did the Knicks just not offer enough? Presumably the Bucks know the Knicks wont trade Brunson but also wouldn’t have called if there wasn’t a trade to be made.
I think a lot of people are dismissing the idea that the Bucks will trade him where Giannis wants to go as a favor to a team legend (not for a discount but probably will give NYK the first crack at putting together a package)
It’s not possible for the Knicks to offer enough.
I think if a player who has done what Giannis has done for an organization you listen when he asks you for something, but there’s just not a deal to be made.
OG+Bridges+Robinson maybe?
I just dont see how Knicks have a decent offer existing.
That sounds awful. It has to be KAT included somehow.
Your idea just doesn’t make the Knicks TEAM better.
And yes I don’t see a good offer from the Knicks either
The knicks have one tradeable first (their own this year, which won’t be very good). A bunch of 30 year old role players or KAT isn’t enticing either.
Did the Knicks just not offer enough?
Amick said the Knicks basically said they’re good
https://np.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/1of3e06/amick_new_york_it_sounds_counterintuitive_but/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Yeah I wonder if that’s changed at all. Hard to imagine turning down a Brunson Giannis pairing if you can keep enough surrounding pieces
If they didn’t give up all those first for Mikel they coulda got Giannas.
The Knicks don’t have assets is the thing. Bucks called as a favor to Giannis but like Houston, Spurs, Atlanta, OKC (probably not interested) all have way more and the bucks are gonna get as much as possible for him
It’s insane how hard people are trying to act like this
Its been brewing for years because Horst has been swinging trades trying to keep him happy for years. It was always likely going to end this way with the Bucks having no draft capital and forcing a rebuild that Giannis, getting older, wouldn’t want to go through.
The Bucks sub will still cope and say it’s BS lol
Tbf it’s hard to come to terms with having to send away a generational talent that was the best your franchise ever had
I don’t think so, I think this is the first time that it’s actually been extremely evident that he wants out. The vast majority of previous reports were grasping at straws with no actual evidence that he was demanding a trade.
shams reporting this past summer that the bucks and the knicks had legitimate conversations about a trade after giannis directed them to should have rang some alarms. instead, people on here stuck their heads in the sand and insisted he was just making it all up.
Some of us will, but most of us will say it all feels different this time. But as a 40 year old Bucks fan who lived through the dark days, there’s an intense melancholy knowing that the man who saved us is likely gone, and we’re about to backslide in irrelevancy again.
Meaningful basketball is so much fun, the Deer District is such a great place to gather for a game, and Milwaukee winters/springs are so cold. It’s gonna be hard to see this all go away.
Can’t blame ‘em for venting/coping on a silly website like reddit and clinging to hope.
It’s hilarious that we’ve heard versions of this for 6+ years with zero merit and when it finally turns out to be true everyone’s gonna act like the reporters knew exactly what they were talking about the whole time and swear it’s definitely not just a broken clock situation.
Exactly this. “I’ve predicted this years, Bucks fans are delusional”. Ignoring the part about being wrong 6 years straight when no trade happened. Theres literally 1000s of comments saying that right now.
he won you your ring… time to let him go in peace…
Star Athletes are like politicians - don’t trust anything they say in public
We know this
It didn’t happen and it probably won’t happen midseason either. Postseason if the Bucks don’t make it, however…
Can we get rid of fuckin Doc Rivers too if we’re gonna rebuild?
If Giannis leaves and Doc gets to the East play-in, he might win COTY.
That should end the curse.
Wow cant believe he will be an atlanta hawk by February
Him and Trae would be a lot of fun
Could it be?
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You know what, fuck it. OKC better go save the fella and just ruin basketball for the next 4-5 seasons. I’ll come back around once LeBron retires and passes his powers onto Bronny.
i choose to believe this because the pels or the bucks is gonna give us cam boozer
Well now…just what we all wanted today, more drama!
Okc should do it, fuck it
I love the idea of Spurs pulling the trigger. It would cost them either Castle or Harper, but we are talking about pairing Giannis and Wemby here
This would be the winning move for all parties and would fix the logjam at the guard spot for the Spurs.
Either lol. Both
Water is wet
We’re having a real day on here huh
Giannis doesn’t want to be the bad guy, so he doesn’t want the word to get out of his request. It’s time for him and his agent to man up and take the toughest road.
What is the price for Giannis at this point? How many unprotected firsts/swaps?
3⁄2, good young prospect, and matching salary that isn’t net-negative
…If they fired Thibs bc Giannis said through a back channel, “I won’t play for him” maaaaan….
Giannis probably asked for a trade, but won’t take the Jimmy Butler route of burning things down to get what he wants.
If this is true and Milwaukee wants a haul…. Giannis to the Thunder confirmed…..
We don’t need to blow up what’s working
Not sure the Thunder do this unless they suffer a season ending injury to Chet. Too much risk given how good the young guys look right now. They are playing better than they were last season.
There was absolutely no reason in the world for Milwaukee to run this team out there with Giannis this year. They are cooked as a franchise unless they get a boatload of picks soon. He is a great person and ambassador for the state but this team is toast for the foreseeable future and there is only 1 way out. Been saying this for a long time.
Same here, been saying this for awhile now too. It’s best for both sides to go separate ways, no reason it should’ve even taken this long.
I mean this trade is most likely not happening till the offseason so why does anyone care about it right now lol
To be fair with all the Buck fan clowning, they’ve been saying this stuff for years so it’s understandable why there’s a lot of pushback with fans. That said, seems like the writings finally on the walls and hopefully he gets traded somewhere to compete, maybe Milwaukee gets a few picks back and a role player or two. Win-win time to move on. At least he got a chip for the city, lots of scenarios like this end with nothing in hand.
New York Giannis could be a vibe.
The 2nd apron is going to reduce the player empowerment era.
You can’t just leave anymore. Owners can simply not do it and have a good excuse because there just aren’t many options.
Back to the mines!
Well that Jrue Holiday - Lillard trade really killed the bucks
Bucks have been making slightly bad moves for years. Too many “slightly bad” to bad trades, free agent signings and draft picks. It put them in a situation where Holiday and Middleton were no longer able to carry a lackluster rotation.
The season prior to Dame being traded, he did amazing.
It was inevitable those were just the death throes
Boy, this is “Spill the tea Wednesday.”
There’s what like 3-4 teams who could realistically trade for Giannas and that’s Atlanta, OKC, Detroit, and San Antonio if I’m sure there are teams who would move mountains for him but he will have complete say in where he wants to go so most likely he’s staying in the east I just don’t know where he would land bc sadly New York really cannot make that work at all,
Would be interesting if there is a malcontent young star who gets swapped for giannis in an almost 1 for 1 (Like if Banchero or Mobley wanted out for some reason).
This summer the rumors of him leaving surfaced as usual, but then as soon as Thanasis signed a 1 year they completely stopped.
I think he’s going to at least finish this season unless him and Thansis bounce together. I’d imagine wherever he lands needs to have room for 2.
I’ll take him over Kat
What’s with the dude playing with his hair.
Cue the delusional Dub fans thinking the Bucks will trade Giannis for Podz and a couple of picks.
I just can’t see Giannis culturally fitting in New York. Not even talking about the team but the city, I don’t think he can handle the criticism and pressure the New York fans place on their players. And I don’t doubt that any team would love to have Giannis but I don’t see why the Knicks would break something solid up
The picks have to come from somewhere. OG and KAT are win now players. If a potential Giannis trade is those guys going out, and picks plus young players going to the Bucks, you need a LOT of picks. Where do those picks come from? Sure, hypothetically those two guys are worth positive asset value to a win-now team with assets, but how many of those are there? OKC? They’re not doing that. SAS? ATL? Why wouldn’t they just make their best offer for Giannis themselves? Surely that’d be preferable than landing either OG or KAT and those teams have much more appealing packages to offer. MIA? They’re not going to be help facilitate a trade that sends Giannis anywhere other than south beach. No other win-now team has obvious assets and desire for players like OG or KAT. Not to mention the contract situation for OG and KAT is tough to swallow in today’s NBA.
So it doesn’t matter if you truly believe that OG and KAT could hypothetically get you a total of 6 prospects worthy of a Giannis trade. The reality is it’s very difficult to find where those assets come from. Even if you look at Bridges and OG going out in two separate deals for assets, then assets+KAT for Giannis, if you can somehow orchestrate all of that and get the mega package, what’s the end result? Giannis, Brunson, and not much else? Probably still worth a shot because mega stars in NYC will sell, but it doesn’t seem likely to happen, or be a significant winner if it does.
Now, even if Giannis stays on the Bucks and his value declines into next season as his contract approaches expiration and the Bucks lose leverage (not clear that would happen, there’s precedent both ways) the Bucks are still more likely to favor packages from OKC, SAS, or ATL. Plus other teams who could join the mix at that point with better packages than New York, like Indiana or Cleveland.
Very interested to follow how it plays out
I’m ready for Giannis to move on, it has been reported time and time again and the amount of delusional fans that have rebuffed it is crazy. Giannis is not some chosen one who was going to ride with a trash team into the sunset, it’s time to wake up and move on
That 6’11” starting center should visit Dennis Rodman maybe possibly the lady on the Chicago sky for pointers. She’s much better.
Another win for Jimmy Haslam
This is madness