We showed an 11 year NBA veteran (Tom McMillen) is his name in the Epstein files. Things got awkward | PTFO
A phone call from Pablo at this point is like the Grim Reaper knocking at your door.
“Why did I go on a show called Gotcha?”
“To Catch A…..what now?”
Wine coolers? They are my favorite drink and every 40 year old man’s favorite drink.
Why don’t you take a seat?
Bring out the gotcha dancers
🎶 Joan gotcha! 🎶💃🏼💃🏼💃🏼
I miss Johnny drama. If they made Johnny’s banana’s I’d watch it
You got got! You got got! You got got!
I’m QUITE confident in my own past, but NGL, if Pablo invited me on his podcast, I’d have to REALLY think about it.
I’d move to the Philippines, take no chances
Bro why would you move to the Philippines to escape from a Filipino?
How does that make any sense. Move to Argentina.
Pablo: who is your favorite band? You:Umm, well I like Your lawyer: you don’t have to answer that
he had Adam Friedland on the show and I was at peace that we’d finally find out he eats his boogers when the cameras are off, but it was actually pretty harmonious and enjoyable
Just two of the finest journalists of today talking shop
Well a fine journalist and today’s most renowned centre-left public intellectual, but yeah
The millennial Jon Stewart if you will
Adam Friedland, the millennial Jeff Goldblum?
Ahh ahh yes, yes, yes, mmm hmmm mmm hmmm, exquisitely so, mmm yes
Adam has admitted to eating all sorts of bodily fluids and also dust because he is a bug
I mean half the video is literally showing the president, so it clearly can’t be that important if people still vote for that dude.
Like that meme? Ha
It’s a shame the only journalist we have with any balls is an NBA podcaster
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Better live now before the grim reaper come knocking on your door.
His crystal-clear memory of every tiny detail about his career makes this ”I can’t recall it’s been ages” act even funnier
I’m not saying I necessarily believe him, but “former basketball player remembers more about his basketball career than about other stuff” really doesn’t say anything to me. I remember watching the 2014 WC semis and the celebrations when Argentina made it to the final, and there’s stuff that I did 5 years ago I couldn’t tell you if I tried.
I can remember Gobert getting away with basket interference possibly costing Lithuania a medal and Rudy Fernandez flopping also possibly costing Lithuania a medal with great detail among with a bunch of other stuff that truly doesnt matter anymore like the 6ers looking cool with the ninja style headbands and how and why they were banned. Yet i couldnt tell you a most of the stuff I did in the past 5 years.
Human memory is not reliable.
Nah you’d remember partying and socializing with the most notorious child pimp in human history and a future president. As well as angling for ambassadorships. These aren’t just random mundane things you can’t remember from 5 years ago lol.
I know if I’m still half asleep or what but this is not the headline I was expecting in this sub.
Its as grammatically incorrect as most of them…
/s
It’s*
Touché, lol…
I’ve always wondered who that giant dude next to them in these videos was. Had no idea the guy spent 11 years in the league.
Idk why this guy even agreed to do this interview
It made me think of when John Oliver interviewed Dustin Hoffman and brought up all the woman reports. After it didn’t go well, later, in the retelling of the interview to people, he’s like, this guy’s ego is so great and thinks so little of me, that it didn’t even occur to him I would ask about it.
Crazy, right?
Thanks for reminding me that Hoffman is a giant sack of shit. This 24⁄7 news cycle causes my brain to forget things.
The entire news cycle is an endless sack of shit. No worries
What did he do?
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-who-have-accused-dustin-hoffman-of-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12#anna-graham-hunter-said-hoffman-spoke-openly-about-sex-in-front-of-her-and-groped-her-1
holy fuck, the first article is bad and then it just keeps going and going jfc
Ugh, first time seeing this.
Jesus I actually never knew about Dustin Hoffman
I never saw it, here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZNuh0xxKis
This hurt to watch. Hoffman keeps proving John Oliver’s points while thinking he’s proving John wrong. Thanks for sharing, I think this interaction so perfectly sums up the cultural shift in thinking that we should be fighting for.
Turns out this all came out during the Kevin Spacey thing. There were like 7 women who accused him and also Meryl Streep mentioned that he groped her too. I can’t believe I don’t remember any of it.
Right? And that’s precisely what needs to change. The most telling thing in both your link and OPs is that both Hoffman and Macmillan try to use the “oh it was sooooo long ago” line. Throw millions of dollars to crush the story and sweep under the rug and when it comes out/resurfaces years down the line, just deflect and make anyone mentioning it feel silly for referring something that was so long ago. Ugh so shitty
His ego was oozing from his body throughout this interview
He was not familiar with Pablo’s game.
I wonder if the Latino name and boyish face make people not take him seriously for some reason
Undercover Asians of the Pacific.
Filipinos are the most powerful people in the world
Phillippino swag
ASTIG!!!
At the beginning of the video, McMillen brought up the Filipino population in his old district, trying to schmooze with Pablo. Pablo wasn’t having it
He also brought it up again right after when they were talking about altar boys.
Probably more likely that no one takes any sports journalists seriously
What does being latino have to do with it lol
People stereotype, I don’t know man
Because they have gotten away with it for so long and spend so much time getting their dick sucked by interviewers they have too much hubris to even bother lying well
Everyone knows repeating “I do not recall” works just fine no matter how obviously bullshit it is
We’re ruled and owned by a group of pedophile elites who think we are as stupid as they are.
At the end Pablo says he first reached out to interview him mostly about harmless things, then the Epstein files with MicMillen in them got released so he had to ask about them.
I call bullshit. There’s literally no other conceivable reason to invite “Tom McMillen” on your show.
The invite was from before anyone could look up his name in the files…
No it was because he was in the background of a video with Trump and Epstein so he rejected the invite, and then the files came out and he decided to reschedule.
Former athletes love to talk about the good ol’ days, especially bang average former athletes.
I mean that was explained at the end of the episode.
PTFO emailed him asking about an interview to talk about pretty much just the video he showed up in with Epstein and then the rest of his honestly impressive career. The email wasn’t about Epstein, really.
Then the Epstein files that were released became searchable and his name showed up between that and the Interview
Sometimes when people got away with so much, they forget just how much shady shit they did over the decades.
Few people actually do their homework, so Pablo does catch them off guard.
Heck man, it just might be normal everyday life to them doing shady things everyday. Perhaps why they’re so numbed to their actions.
Pablo is asking the questions he has all the answers to
As a good lawyer does
The LSAT panic attack…whatever happened there
Whatever happened there?!!
Correct.
Doing an interview with him must feel like the NBA equivalent of being caught by Chris Hansen
Pablo is gonna start having to pop up in people homes in order to get an interview.
Am I going to be…o-rested?
This old creep is full of it
“I didn’t think I’d be walking into a camera fest… I thought we were going to be able to molest in private”.
Look it was 30 years ago! Can’t be held accountable for something so old, it’s best we leave him be since he asked nicely
30 years is too old, if it was let’s say, 13 or 14 years ago he would be much more interested.
Yeah, he’s a very bad liar.
Bet he’s frantically hiding everything and figuring out ways to deny it as we speak
I met this dude when I was a kid. He was going door to door when he ran for Congress in Maryland. I remember being amazed how tall he was. Now I have a small connection to Epstein and it’s gross.
Oh dang.
Massages?! Orgies?! Name on Epstein flight logs going to palm beach on dates with no known events 😵💫
I haven’t been involved in this thing in 35 years. Let’s move on—let’s move on.
Involved?!
I don’t recall… I don’t recall! I don’t recall any of this. Can we please move on. Please can we move on? I don’t recall, I thought we were talking about sports and stuff.
I don’t recall… I don’t recall! I don’t recall any of this. Can we please move on. Please can we move on?
I don’t recall, I thought we were talking about sports and stuff.
Pablo the hero we deserve.
That “I haven’t been involved in this thing in 35 years”
… did he just admit he did those horrible things and incriminate himself?
Yeah, I noticed that too. If Pablo didn’t plan on having a follow-up, he should’ve asked “so what exactly were you involved in?”
The way he repeated it felt coached. Maybe a lawyer has been prepping a defence with him
Probably did 34 years ago lol
Have I been stealing from the till? What? I haven’t… I mean, I haven’t stolen from the till within the last 9 days, what are you talking about? Let’s just move on.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 I gotta watch this whole thing now.
Pablo may be the most hardworking reporter in America right now.
Him and coffeezilla
idk maybe this is parasocial but it seems like coffeezilla is bloodthirsty (like he cares more about the gotcha instead of the damage done by his subjects) and it gives me the ick (even if I can acknowledge his skill and thoroughness)
It does come across editorialized especially when using the robot and stuff for dialogue. The research is there but it does feel less about uncovering truth and more about crafting a story which is fine and man’s doing what the people want but it makes me hesitate
He’s basically TMZ for Youtube creators but is not as crude about it. I like some of his stuff but it does sometimes feel like I am watching a high school fight when he gets into the back and forth with the people he is exposing and he always tries to add subtle zingers in his responses and makes a face that leads me think he thinks they are the most clever things ever.
that’s the thing, i know we hate on TMZ, but they fact check, if TMZ is reporting it, like 99% of the time its a real event
they been sued too many times not to be right
Not even close, he’s just the only one the teenagers on this sub pay attention to.
There are tons of reporters doing actual important work out there right now, putting their lives and livelihoods on the line, but people here don’t want to read actual news.
Do you have any good examples? I’d like to read more proper journalism.
Propublica.org
That man is very keen to move on.
He seems to genuinely think that things that happened 30 years ago don’t matter. By the end of it he’s not even denying anything, just repeating how long ago it was like that makes it ok. These guys never expected any of this to come out and it couldn’t be more obvious.
He frames it as the cameras there being the bad thing rather than whatever insane sex bullshit he did that day.
I’m not some creep that goes to a pageant owner’s televised party filled with pedophiles and young models! The cameras weren’t supposed to be there!
The New York financier Jeffrey Epstein?
With the island?
Listen, we’ll sort this out. Let’s call Ghislaine.
HAH!! Nice try
Stop calling her Ghislaine! How do you know these people??
With all due respect, if that was in the news, I think I woulda heard about it
I think you mean Jeff Epstein
I’m so happy Conan’s podcast is getting referenced more and more often
Looked like he was crapping his pants
When he took the sip of Coke you knew he was bullshitting. Dude has a terrible poker face.
The iPad dramatically cropping his panic movement is awesome
Dave Chappelle did a stand up bit along time ago about how you’d react being accused of something you didn’t do. It was pretty good.
If I were on some guy’s plane 35 years ago and then 6 years ago he’s convicted of being a child molester, my god. I wouldn’t be doing interviews.
This was always the downside of releasing the Epstein files. A lot of people are going to be in them who were not pedos. BUT!! There were an awful lot of people who saw that dude’s lifestyle and knew within seconds they didn’t want to have anything to do with him. That should have been a natural response to this guy.
Got a link to the stand up bit? I’m not sure if I’ve seen that one
https://youtube.com/shorts/aq3cg4Bm_1Q?si=WF5ZOOCyP7tpO04_
I found a short of it lol
Edit: found a version with more context as well
https://youtu.be/N2mnLGWXGPI?si=lBeccZl6XdiXvSfC
Damn he was funny lmao
Used to be so funny :( transbrainrot is a serious disease
It’s from either “killing em softly” or “for what it’s worth” but he’s yelling about being accused of cheating.
Ayup. Jeffrey Epstein was, if nothing else, very good at ingratiating himself with very powerful people so I’m not going to condemn someone who met him a few times at various parties and exchanged pleasantries… as long as they were at social functions were all the teenagers were fully clothed
Yeah dude have links to virtually every powerful people, ‘directly’ or indirectly. Iirc his early link to Michael Jackson, before we know MJ did at least visited his Palm Beach house, was only from having the same lawyers, and his meeting with Hawking in 2006 was for science convention.
This isn’t going to be a straightforward investigation.
How about,”I was trying to get into a political position and I was socializing with some people who I thought had some influence. I had no idea they were a bunch of perverts.”
It’s such an obvious and easy explanation. There’s plenty of people that are probably getting tied to Epstein for this very reason. The fact that he stumbles over this so much is a terrible look.
They can’t say that because then they actually have to take some blame internally. Not even the majority of the blame, just some small part is enough that they refuse to do so.
A narcissist would rather die than admit they we’re in the wrong even for a second.
Of course by pretending they had no idea they actually admit something far worse about their character but that’s besides the point.
Sure but a high profile politician being the subject of a conversation between dc high rollers is not unusual. There doesn’t appear to be a gotcha here. In fact Gwen says Tom “lost touch with Epstein”. Everyone in washington in the 90’s is 1 degree of separation from JE.
Listening to this interview I had this thought over and over. It is almost certainly true for a bunch of people too, seems like it wouldn’t be difficult to establish
My favorite part of this interview is when he’s confronted about the flight logs, he claims that:
I know I’m stating what should be obvious but It’s either not true and you know that with complete confidence OR you don’t recall. Vacillating between the two is a pretty clear indication he does recall and he’s nervous about the conclusions people will draw from confirming that recollection.
It was clear he was recalling before all that when he reached for the Coke bottle for a drink.
What minute/second mark was that
My favorite part was when McMillen repeatedly referred to Epstein as a “collector of people” without any explanation as if that’s just a term we’re all familiar with. Brother what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
You really don’t understand what that means?
Like that friend that loves to name drop that local celebrity. But on a scale that’s global. Epstein could say he hung out with Bill Gates and Chris Tucker or that he flew Stephen Hawking to a science conference. Or he met a royal family member and had lunch with Donald Trump.
I’m pretty sure that’s what Tom meant unless you really think he just came out and said Epstein is collecting teens in his basement.
Dude had to go to his pr to pull up a written response lol that was a horrible look.
When he asks to stop talking about it and just move on, then you know there’s some shit there. An innocent person can talk to it and their experience but he was def in that plane. (Pablo shows him in the logs btw lol)
He remembers when the ref pushed him in a game against Soviet Union but def not 2 plane rides on Lolita Express. OK
He can remember the smell of LBJ’s breath when he met him at 17, but tie him to Epstein and all of a sudden it’s “35 years ago and your audience doesn’t want to hear me talk about that.”
I thought I was just lending out my huge NBA dong to a normal, above board orgy. I had no clue id be entangled in an international spy / blackmail operation
Yep and all of that felt intentional by Pablo. That if he could talk about other things in his past from years before so vividly, saying “I don’t recall” to anything Epstein related wouldn’t hold much weight and just make him look more guilty.
Fuck all these pedos
Pablo found the fuck outta this one.
McMillen: “man, gotta tell ya, I’m stumped Pablo. who could this other ‘Tom McMillen (Congressman)’ be? we should really find that guy”
We’re all trying to find the guy who did this!
If you pick up and it’s Pablo calling, HTFU
Guilty
I listened to the entire thing. The guy had an interesting life and surely benefitted massively from his political connections later in his career as he became part of the permanent political / wealth class.
It’s not very plausible that he didn’t remember being on Epsteins plane and his defensiveness towards the end was very suspect. He could have brushed it off as traveling for some political function but really screwed up in his non response.
Word. I have no doubt Epstein had lots of powerful people in his circle he didn’t traffic children to as cover. He needed the rep as a connected, social person in order to do the criminal stuff, which he probably only let a select group into.
McMillen being so nervous makes me think he knew.
“It was 35 years ago! Now let me recount my entire college basketball career for you.”
When they show clips of the parties between Epstein and Trump, I always wondered who was the guy that towered over everyone.
Thank you Pablo for that answer
Pablo found out for you.
He would have been much better off not taking that interview.
Tom McMillen is guilty af or at least knows something. That was not an innocent man squirming.
It’s funny how everyone that had some association with Epstein all the sudden can’t remember anything, specifically during those years.
Lmao Pablo is a savant. This dude was shitting bricks
“I dont recall”
Lmao. This is a man who has talked to his lawyer.
He definitely spoke to his lawyer afterwards. The correct answer he should’ve given is “you’ll have to speak to my lawyer if you have questions about the Epstein files”.
I’m so very comfortable with turning this into a witch hunt. Not everyone who was involved with Epstein was a pedofile but even the ones who weren’t should get real comfortable with a very deep microscope into their lives.
To be fair, the problem with the historical witch hunts wasn’t the increased scrutiny, it was the amount of innocent people being tortured and executed by mobs in spite of actual evidence.
We should all support the thorough investigations, increased scrutiny, and calls for transparency. But the people calling McMillen guilty of child rape because he looked uncomfortable here are part of the problem.
Pablo has more journalistic integrity and balls than any of the spineless reporters in the White House Getting walked over and pitching softball questions all day everyday
Low bar tbf
As part of his explanation did he confirm that he was in Palm Beach at the same time as the flight logs say he was there?
nah this man is so guilty the way he asked to move on
“Please can we move on” the way he delivered it, is about the most guilty I’ve ever heard anyone sound
Hilarious.
Pablo Torre = the New Chris Hansen? I want off this timeline. Hi, I’m Pablo. Just have a seat over here. Have a seat.
If it isn’t directly guilty, he’s working very hard to withhold what he does know to protect his inner circle
This motherfucker is doing work.
I’m so fucking sick and tired of “let’s move on.” If you’re not guilty of anything, just answer the questions patiently and sit through it. I so desperately want all the information to come out.
“I betcha you don’t recall 35 years ago” to a man who just turned 40 is wild
At least it isn’t a Lakers post.
The email is damning. He 100% was asking to get back into touch with Epstein through an intermediary. Brazen Tom’s initial lie here.
“It’s irresponsible of me not to ask,” what a line by Pablo. Him digging into this and holding Tom accountable was satisfying. Even ending with “any final comments on this?” and not letting him get out of this was chefs kiss
At this point, I should expect Pablo to give me a call about the candy I stole from the Six Flags gift shop in ‘04.
Where can I see the deposition he showed onscreen?
I love Pablo lol. Tom got real quiet and real forgetful real quick when the questions became…real. Fascinating to watch him squirm at the end and end the interview.
“It gets tired and people focus on this” yeah dude, because actual humans were trafficked and we are learning you basically were able to shake 2 demons hands and were breathing their air. Fuck you “being tired”
As soon as someone’s responses are “I don’t recall” multiple times in a row, you know they’re lying. It’s what lawyers tell you to say to not make any suggestions or implications
So I was listening to this yesterday while preparing dinner. It was a nice interview and went over Tom’s history. Interesting guy but it was time to eat.
I HAD NO IDEA IT WENT HERE!!! Holy shit Pablo don’t play. He killed him to sleep and attacked Good Job PT
I don’t recall. I don’t recall. Let’s move on!
He clearly didn’t google Pablo Torre’s recent work …so out of touch …
Why is no one calling LeBron James a pedophile. He was at the Diddy parties
How is this any different? You guys give him the benefit of the doubt for no one else?
Release the Diddy files!
Insinuating every name in the Epstein was aware of or participated in child rape is just as crazy as Pizza gate
At this point, I’m going to assume he’s an idiot for even taking this interview.
Trump is obviously a pedophile.
The fact he was the guy guarding the inbound pass on the infamous 1972 Soviet vs US Olympic game was crazy, he’s done so much in his life. He’s like if Forrest Gump was a pedophile (possibly)
I love that the Epstein files have become some infallible document now, and everything and everyone on it is automatically guilty and its contents are 100% proven. I’m sure none of it has been fabricated in any way.
That was a party hosted by Donald Trump where people expected to have fun, and so they did. Epstein was a guest at a time when he was a popular figure neither a felon nor notorious for his unsavoury / criminal private life. To grill one guy like this as if he were a criminal for attending that party, and possibly being on a private flight (yet not going to Epstein island for instance, which would have been a red flag) smacks of a witch hunt. Pablo had nothing at the start , nothing at the end. Leaves a sour taste
Why would you agree to this knowing Pablo is literally all about exposing people? He walked into a death trap
He totally orgied Gwendolyn Beck
He got to the Epstein party and knew enough to avoid the cameras… but, he knew nothing… sure.
Interesting behavior from someone who is a political appointee, people in politics usually seek the camera.
Very interesting…
Ooooooof. That was not the squirming of a person who knows nothing.
If you have things you don’t want found out, why the fuck would you do an interview on “PABLO TORRE FINDS OUT”.
For someone who spent his entire NBA career in front of cameras it’s quite suspicious he hides from those cameras at the first sight of them. Especially when you were around Trump, who was famous, why would you expect cameras NOT to be there? It’s pretty damn obvious.. 😂
PROTECT PABLO TORRES AT ALL COSTS.
At this point, Pablo might be the research department for Nardwar lol
I really hope that Pablo stays happy and healthy. He’s got to be pissing off a lot of very rich and powerful people with his reporting. Keep knocking it out of the park Pablo.
Biiiiiigg Tom McMillan, what has he ever done?
Oh shit! That?
Trumps number 1 on the list and nothing is happening. Therefore, it doesn’t matter.
he was a collector of people
That’s an eerie descriptor
Run this by body language experts 🤣