Former MIP candidate Devonte Graham debuts in Eurolegaue and ignites 20k fans in Belgrade Arena.
nah this is lame, get the “everybody clap your hands” thing going that’s true atmosphere. let me meekly yell “defence” once
Yeah for real, this is lame as hell, no one is even going “HEEYYYYOOOOOOO”
wouldn’t even be able to hear the drunk racist guy 5 rows behind you cussing at all the players
This one doesnt work. The drunk racist guy is all 20k of the fans
In the crowd’s defense, not ALL of the 20K racist fans are drunk.
The mascot raising the signs to make some noise in a lukewarm arena?
Chefs kiss
We need more suits in that arena
Hopefully they raise ticket prices high enough to get the real fans in there.
They say this is how Oracle was during Run TMC years.
This is how OKC and Kings arenas are when they’re winning tbh
Bro what… not even close
I mean, it is
You can just listen to the players themselves. European basketball fandom is on absolutely another level, flavor and style. It’s tribal, aggressive, intense to the level never seen in an NBA arena. Ever. What passes off as “fan zones” for the die-hards is literally a picnic.
Damn is this just a regular game? Looks lit as hell in there, i dont think post season game 7s in the nba hardly ever look like that.
Half the people at a game 7 aren’t even fans of the team but rich people who want to attend an event.
just another example of corporate soul-less ‘Merica
thats why NBA europe will fail (also because they think big city = popular team but its kinda the same point)
they see the numbers and nothing else they want 2 english teams where noone cares about basketball just because on paper it could make them the most money
they dont care about the culture, the traditions, the history, nothing at all.
we got full ass countries here in europe declaring basketball their national religion and all they see is dollar signs, pathetic.
Part of the process is eating the losses to build something. It won’t work immediately or anything but it takes time
Im heavilly against it, even if it succeeds it will just devide european basketball into two leagues and make it worse for everyone
you cant even begin to compare London Arsenal/Chelsea to Kauno Žaligiris for example even though london has more than 3x amount of people than Lithuania alone.
A brand new team cant replace decades of tradition culture and history, for example Žalgiris has been an organisation since the 1944 and even if magically basketball is wildly successfull and half of London support their new team it still doesnt mean anything.
I dont care what losses or gains they get its not about the money its deeper than that. They can build whatever they want but you cant build generations of passion and fandom overnight.
This is almost the same argument as why Euroleague fans hate that Dubai is playing there now. It runs much much deeper than the money.
Imagine if instead of having the NBA youd only have the celtics and the lakers representing the entire country since before the NBA even existed. Now imagine that instead of a fraction of the population at least half of them care about basketball in the US in thid hypothetical. Even that can never convey every emotion i disscussed + the patriotism because you only have a couple of teams at most representing your country.
You cant buy emotion. All Silver, LeBron and whatever other greedy ass people are involved see is the potential money. They dont care about the game or anything that comes with it here in europe, the team list is enough to see that.
I didn’t say I was in favor of it, I just said it makes sense. I mean, they’re a basketball business. Why would they not eventually try to grow it even more in Europe. The NFL is doing this more and more too.
We have greedy companies buying children’s sports leagues and their streaming rights lol. The NBA was always eventually going to attempt to move to European basketball
youre 100% right sadly
i just hope all of this ruckus will somehow birth something great because the Euroleague is very far from perfect as well
You’re not wrong about any of that except that NBA Europe will not fail because you underestimate the number of douche bags in suits that still exist in Europe.
The only way they dont fail is if they make a league that is only for those douchebags
you cant just buy 75 years of history
if the nba came in and payed or just invited every one of the most iconic teams to play in their league that would be one thing and that could actually work and would probably be better than the euroleague
they want teams to pay 500mill-1billion dollars to join a league that has nothing apart from the spanish teams because they love playing in 2 team leagues.
no money is gonna make Manchester love basketball and no money is gonna make european fans care about those teams when they have 3 generations supporting the same clubs.
the only way they could even turn a profit in my eyes is if they completely throw away all the ethics and let the russian clubs participate making it a Barcelona vs Real Madrid vs CSKA team and thats only because Euroleague banned russian teams for participating(rightfully so, just wish they did the same for israel and dubai)
It’s so jarring seeing a Lakers playoff game and the lack of yellow/purple being worn, everyone courtside wearing thousand dollar furcoats or leopard print sweats is so LA.
Why can’t they stuff the rich people looking at their phones in box seats, why do they always have to be in the front.
Why do you have to wear a color scheme to be a fan?
So many good Rockets seats are practically owned by companies and that are gifted to people who don’t care about basketball. You only see them occupied during the playoffs if the team is doing good. We have fuckin Kevin Durant coming off a 2nd seed season and our lower seats look empty. All the noise is coming from behind the goals or the top sections.
A friend who doesn’t care about basketball at all gives me tickets when he gets them from his job and they are really nice seats every time. Says that no one who gets these tickets from the company ever go to the games and they’d only go if it were Astros or Texans tickets.
Regular season game, but 2 of the best teams in Euroleague and I believe Red Star and Olympiacos fans are pretty close and refer to each other as brothers
Olympiacos fans are generally regarded as the most die hard insane fans in sports history. They light up the stadium with flares, shoot fireworks in the stadium and their pregame is battle between 200 police officers in full riot gear two blocks away.
They crazy.
No one considers them the most die hard fans outside of Olympiacos fans
Also don’t get this euro obsession with acting like crime = passion
Ultras that commit crimes are a really small part of the fanbase and it’s not like there haven’t been sport related crimes/riots in the states.
Sure it’s similar in the same way that Steph Curry and I are shooters
Yeah maybe “the most diehard in history” was an overstatement. But they up there. The electricity and vibes in the stadium are nothing compared to American sport. Though that is the case for most european teams as well.
European atmospheres pale in comparison to college basketball
This is a joke right lol
No that’s European atmospheres
you couldnt be more ignorantly and confidently wrong
but that also tells me that theres no point in discussing with you since you wont change your mind
Lol, sorry but this comment is ridiculous. I don’t think there is a single person on this planet, who experienced both, says that Belgrade atmosphere is more tame than US College basketball atmosphere. What you see here is a regular season game. You just lack the ability to imagine the levels of intensity of this atmosphere, because you have obviously never witnessed something like that.
Edit: That coward replied to my comment, and instantly blocked me. Embarrassing.
Sorry to hear you can’t afford to travel. Lighting flares does not mean Europe has a great atmosphere
You clearly are the one who never travelled in his life.
You are fucking tripping lmaoooo
Anyone who has experienced both cannot say this without laughing at themselves
I am an Olympiacos fan and i don t consider them the most die hard but that s a good thing. In any case, i think we can all agree that the atmosphere is way different compared to an NBA game. NBA games are more like an interactive show. The kids are waiting for the different cameras during time-outs, you have entertainment during half time etc. I enjoy both, but i prefer the euroleague games in terms of atmosphere.
Dunno man I’m Serbian and I consider Greek and Turkish fans way more die hard than ours
This is in Serbia not Greece
Read the banner.
It was in Serbia. The two teams ultras are referred to as brothers. So they have good relationships. The banner with Olympiakos is just that. Good relationship.
Nobody said it was not in Serbia. They are playing against Olympiacos, that’s what the banner states. So there are Olympiacos fans. The comment I replied to didn’t seem to know that, hence their comment.
Europeans don’t play about their sports
And South America. River Plate vs Boca Juniors is essentially a war
Every country were sports has its roots in communities and not in billionaires pockets is like this
US never had this even before billionaire owners. Which isn’t terrible anyways. While this is cool to admire. I’d never go to game if it was like this every time.
As a Canadian born Serb, going to my first ball game there was nuts. Serb, Greek, and Balkan bball fans in general are just fanatical. This is the upside of that fanaticism.
This is a “special” occasion, since Zvezda and Oly have a fan friendship, lasting 3 decades.
Could write a book, but I’ll keep it crisp. In 95 after the sanctions ended Oly was the first team to come over and play against Zvezda, Zvezda fans appreciated the greek fans travelling and formed a friendship. Atmosphere is great, whenever they play eachother, but its a friendly rivalry type thing, fans also compete with eachother when it comes top support, but keep it civil.
Their biggest rivals Partizan also have a friendship with PAOK, wich are rivals of Oly, so it has an addtional dimension. This sometimes ends with serbian folks singing greek chants to troll the greek opponent and vice versa.
Fans are always loud and the average attendence is 15k(ish) in a 19/20k arena, but its not as intense as seen here in most cases.
Drain a 3 in a regular season game and the whole place goes bananas.
There has never been an NBA game with an atmosphere remotely close to this lol
I would tell everyone to sit down
Bro they show out like this for their u13 leagues. Its crazy.
America basketball sucks
What an environment, jeeesh. The nba could never.
It makes it more special that it’s a game between Crvena Zvezda and Olympiakos. The fans are brothers and they sing each others chants in their games.
A Zvezda basketball game
The same chant in an Olympiakos football game
How the fuck did you become a Pelicans fan, is being from the Balkans not depressing enough?
No personal offense though, I just typed out my thoughts unfiltered.
Can’t be that bad look how lit their basketball games are
I’m bosnian, so take it with a grain of salt, there is just so much shit wrong in out region and its hard to see a better future, for most of us, this is why so many ppl are leaving the countries.
You obviously still try to make the best out of it.
One of my favorite memes to describe the situation: https://i.imgur.com/p8ywK9P.jpeg
I’m very sorry that is the state you and your countrymen find yourselves in, truly. But that is an extremely funny meme lol. I’m glad you can find humor in it, at least!
No worries, bosnian humor is pretty dark and self decapitating, this is pretty tame tbh.
Oh come on, you are not even the worst in Eastern Europe, Russians and Ukrainians literally flee to your region
I’m also a Padres fan and it honestly much more painful. At least the Chiefs are good.
I have so many questions. Why didn’t you answer my question? Did you move to the US, or grow up there? Do you have a humiliation fetish?
I casually assumed, that you’re from the balkans, but haven’t heard of anyone using baseball bats there to hit balls with it.
I have no connection to the U.S.. AD and Lonzo are probably the main reasons I became a fan.
Did have any weird intentions. Just was very surprised, that someone from the balkens to Baseball. Tried to get into it couple of times myself As I have Korean friends that are like hardcore baseball guys. But yeah I I just thought you were maybe from the US since you are kind of in into all the US sports. But guess you are just USr sports guy.
This is mentioned often but it’s not different against anyone else really. Some of the best crowd highlights come against random Ukrainian or Lithuanian teams
What are you talking about? De 👏 fense 👏 goes hard.
Everybody clap your hands?
Europe could never
That’s what happened when you have to shell out \(100 tickets and \)20 concessions… (quite literally TD Garden) which doesn’t include transportation and it’s related costs.
The average fan can’t afford to go to a game.
100%. The real fans get priced out.
NBA wants celebrities attendance. Don’t actually care about the fans.
Americans could never
College sports would beg to differ.
And I don’t know why that is. I’m American and every time I’ve gone to a concert I just awkwardly stand there. But the one NBA game I went to, I totally lost my shit and was shouting the entire time. If my uncomfortable self conscious introverted ass can do it, I don’t know why more people aren’t.I’ve never heard of any kind of American cultural thing about not going crazy at sporting events, in fact we’re encouraged to, but for some reason we just don’t?
Don’t worry about others. Dance at concerts, yell at games, if others do or don’t… Who gives a shit
Enjoy life how you want to
Yeah (no one has to read this I’m just rambling) and it’s not like I’m holding back my urge to dance, I just don’t want to, which is ok. My relationship with music is a highly internalized thing. So not only am I not dancing, I eventually decided that live music in its entirety is not my thing. I get a kick out of seeing a semi-famous cool person that I know in person, but besides that it’s too loud, sounds worse than the record, and I have no need to involve other people.
Sports, way different for me, it’s such a highly communal activity, it seems strange to me to even be able to act passively in that atmosphere, if you’re a fan of the game. Maybe a lot of the people in the stands simply aren’t (looking at you, overly expensive courtside tickets)?
That’s cool too
I think it’s awesome to see crowds going crazy like this, but I don’t actually enjoy being in crowds like this on a regular basis. I don’t want to have to chant and sing non-stop for the full game. I want to watch basketball and discuss what’s happening with those with me.
Idk either. I think phones
God damn. Wish the nba was like this. Bigger arenas with more inexpensive seats so actual fans can attend and bring this energy. So hard to be able to enjoy the game when the paywalls for attending the games or streaming the games are so high
It’s too expensive for the common fan to attend big games, especially for big market teams
It’s such a shame. There are so many amazing players and fans of all ages that would be stoked to be able to attend multiple games a year. Instead of having to save up to go to 1 random game on a Wednesday in January in which the stars are most likely sitting
This is why World Cup atmosphere is going to be absolute trash
I havent taken a look at the capacity of most NBA arenas in ages, but Belgrade arena should be pretty much middle of the pack in the NBA with 18-19k, there are just more ppl, cuz nobody actually uses the seats. ;)
It’s broken some records with 21k attendance, but I think officially it’s between 20k and 21k seats
The official capacity for FIBA and EL games is 18.500 or something, it was originally 20500 iirc, feels like the number changes every other year.
Oh shit I just realized it’s you again
There’s some bs difference in the amount of seats allowed which the arena lies about in reports :D
Lol, just had the same reaction.
its just a byproduct of american corporation greed
smaller arenas usually make for better atmospheres but if they made nba arenas even smaller noone could afford it apart from millionaires
sadly even without the capitalism side effects the US still cant replicate the history, culture and tradition. Just as an example every man on my dads side of family has been a die hard fan of the same team for about 75 years now, basically after the ww2 ended. Its so deep rooted in here basketball is reffered as the second religion of our country (though with the rise of atheism its probably the national religion) you just cant replicate that. Pretty much everyone here cares or at least knows a little bit about basketball its fkin amazing.
That being said, please god let Buzelis and Jakučionis be great, Sabonis has let me down enough and Valančiūnas is getting old
As a big Warriors fan, the best two crowds I’ve seen have been a Kings game and a WNBA Valkyries game.
Coach was trying to play defense
got a tech for this btw
Glad someone noticed this lol, 6moty coach over here
NBA is the best league in the world no doubt about this. But european crowds are insane.
Clippers tried something interesting with their wall but there is no possible comparison.
NBA is the league with the best players, but it’s absolutely not the best league. It’s WWE using bball, but with no passion in the crowd.
at this point, this is slander towards WWE.
NA is too nonchalant trying to mog everyone while euros dont care looking goofy ahh
If you ain’t in the NBA why not play in Euroleague. You’ll still get paid, and you get to play for crowds like this
Just wanna say - the money in a lot of EuroLeague teams isn’t even close. The top teams have a yearly budget of about 1 Steph Curry (probably significantly less).
But yeah, I used to go to EuroLeague a lot. When the big teams came here, atmosphere was insane.
The ceiling is certainly much lower, but a lot of guys can make more than they would in the NBA. Some guys that are on the NBA minimum could make almost double.
Europe is still cheaper than the US though, lower taxes in most countries. Sure the money is not close but between making 8 million on an NBA team and 3 million on a Euroleague team, in the end the difference is maybe 100k net after all the expenses
Not sure if cheaper or lower taxes
Maybe compared to NY or Cal, but if you in Paris, Milan, Stockholm nothing is cheaper
Okay but you’re playing in Turkey, Greece, Serbia, Spain, Italy, France most likely.
European stated salaries are after taxes too, vs the US which is before
Having known quite a few guys who went to Europe to play, the whole ‘still get paid’ thing is a mixed bag. The top teams, yes, but if your team is losing, even if you are playing well, lots of the mid tier and lower teams just won’t pay their imports. It’s pretty rough.
That’s more of a thing in lower level European basketball. You’ll get your money in EL.
The mid tier and lower teams of professional leagues absolutely will pay you unless you have some corrupt owner or sudden bankruptcy (but that’d be the death of the club immediately).
I think what you are talking about is like second/third division club in very small basketball countries. Any club in the top 150 ranked clubs should have no issues.
The Serbs just fucking love sport. Tennis? They’re there. Soccer? Absolutely. Basketball? Fucking go for it.
Soccer? Absolutely.
Uhh
Water polo -
GOATS of the world (most Gold medals in history)
Soccer -
we love it, but we suck. Other than legendary players we do not have much national nor club success except Zvezda winning European championship in 1991
Sinisa Mihajlovic - Arguably best Free Kick taker in the history of the sport, only soccer player to score a Hat-trick from Free Kicks
Nemanja Vidic - Manchester United Legend at this point, one of the best defenders of all times
Basketball -
well, you all know this one. Should be noted that historically, Serbia had almost the same timeline as USA basketball, we played it even in 50s and 60s, and many of the moves were developed by Serbian players, like the “Shammgod” wrongly credited, it was performed in the 90s by Bodiroga and was called “El Latigo” (The Whip in spanish), and even Bodiroga said he saw that from Croatian player Danko Cvjeticanin who played in 80s (Now a Nets scout)
Tennis -
There’s now finally undisputed GOAT - Djokovic, but we also had some other players who have made top 10 ATP, and WTA
Volleyball -
There was that GOAT generation that won it all 15-20 years ago, and we also had the best player of all times - Ivan Miljkovic (should be noted that Giba has it’s case for the GOAT) oh, and also we have the best Volleyball move in history - Vanja Grbic @ Olympics
Women are also insanely good, with Tijana Boskovic carrying the title of the GOAT atm
FIBA’s 3x3 basketball -
We are undisputed there as GOATs, you only need to look at the FIBA rankings and see how many serbs are currently at the top - LINK
Track and Field -
Not much success there - as one needs to have insane money in youth to become competitive on the highest level (and we serbs somewhat lack in finances) but one needs to Mention - Ivana Spanovic, long jump Serbian recorder, and Bronze @ Olympics 2016 with 7.16 meters jump (How in the world had Chistyakova jump 7.52 is still a mystery to me, no jumper today is even close to it)
Aaaand we suck at pretty much everything else. There’s some individual Karate / Taekwondo fighters, some Chess players, couple of good shooters (Air Pistol), but no much success in MMA / K1, driving sports, Golf, Baseball, Hockey, Gymnastics, etc
Definitely not arguably the best free kick taker. Juninho exists. And its not even close. He isnt even top 10 free kicks scored. Americans will see your comment and will think thats insane for Serbia. But if they see my response,its something like this. Mihajlovic is Kyle Korver and Juninho is Curry.
Um, goes like this:
Juninho - 77 career goals from Free Kicks
Mihajlovic - 67 free kick goals
Mihajlovic also played most of his career with Veron (free kick taker), Stankovic (Free Kick taker), Vieri (Free kick taker), Crespo (Free kick taker), Salas (Free kick taker)
Juninho was the sole Free Kick taker for Lyon, where no one else even considered taking a free kick
With that said, Mihajlovic has 4 goals from the corner kick in his career
And they both had their techniques - where Juninho had the Knuckleball, Mihajlovic had the fastest free kick ball on a curve, where goalkeepers couldnt stop it even if it went low.
The only reason why people consider Juninho the goat is only because he holds the Career record, but if you look other stats you can clearly see why Mihajlovic is the GOAT Free kick taker:
Free Kick goals PER game:
Mihajlovic 0.105
Marcos Assuncao 0.102
Pierre Van Hooijdonk 0.100
Maradona 0.088
Juninho Pernambucano 0.076
And also, there’s no calculation but I am pretty sure that total average distance also goes for Mihajlovic, as he scored more than 10 goals for Lazio from a distance beyond 35 meters, which no one in the modern soccer even tries to do.
And its not even close
Your soccer knowledge is not even close .. to good
I will never forget how we were beating yugoslavia 3:0 at the euro2000 and then Siniša got a red card and was sent off. He was by far, by faaar, yugoslavias worst player on the pitch. Immediately after it went from 3:0 to 3:3. Still hurts. Pozdravi iz slovenije.
I dont think that Mihajlovic has scored ten goals from a distance like this one here. https://youtu.be/mX0y1kumtss
I dont follow. Sasha is one of the greatest ever but he had to share free kicks with Crespo,Vieri etc. Players that arent even in like top 50 best free kick takers? . The best on that team should take them. Thats why no one else was considered taking them from Juninho. If he had to share them with subpar(to his level) takers, then thats on him or on the manager for bad decision making.
The best on that team should take them. Thats why no one else was considered taking them from Juninho
Again, you need to re-think your soccer knowledge
Mihajlovic was a Lefty. Veron kicked with his right.
Obviously, no matter how good Sinisha was, it would be more logical that a right-leg kicker would perform free kicks on the left side of the field.
With that said, some other players had the different approach to the free kick. Crespo utilized Batistuta technique, kicking the laser-balls, Stankovic knew how to kick outer-foot free kicks (more power) and so on
Depending on the position of the ball, it would be logical to utilize your best free kick taker - for that position
And no, Crespo, Salas, Vieri, Stankovic, ans especially Veron were not “sub-par”, they were fantastic.
To further make my point, here’s a stat:
Corner kick header goals where a lefty is taking from the right (or right from the left) - 74%
Corner kick header goals where a lefty takes from the left (or righty from the right) - 26%
In the first instance ball takes a curve towards the goal.
In the second instance ball takes a curve away from the goal.
That’s why you rarely see the 2nd instance, because first option will more likely result in a goal - so set piece taker is the one best suited for it, not the best one overall
Rethink my ball knowledge? You are mentioning Crespo,Vieri and Stankovic as free kick takers that he shared and some reasons for it. How many free kicks have they scored? Because i never knew them as free kick takers and with a search,it seems it was for a reason as i cant find any free kick goal of them.
Inswingers are a fair point but it brings you up to a point.They dont go all the way. If you are talking about someone crazy like Juninho or Mihajlovic vs someone like Crespo,then you go with the quality even if its the opposite foot and curve because the difference in quality makes up for whatever advantage you get for the right foot.
Can i have a source for that stat for corner kicks? Because my team, Liverpool,at one point had the most goals from corners in the league,when there was title challenges with Klopp and every single one was outswinger. Right from right and left from left. So either they were too good to be doing that for two season or too dumb to not go with the WAY better(three times) that could have given us even more goals.
It’s not the NBA but this looks fun as hell
Insane environment
Also wasn’t Jared Butler cooking in preseason this year? Surprised nobody picked him up
He was, but he was cut 8 days after dropping 35 on Lakers. He was then top target for several teams but we managed to pick him up.
So far he has been decent, talent and firepower is there, but he has to get used to hight intensity in EL games and he makes way too many stupid fouls.
he makes way too many stupid fouls.
he made like 4 fouls in 11 minutes a couple of games ago, really needs to work that out.
More lit than a game 7 in NBA
Rich people ruined basketball
I want to see team USA play Serbia in Serbia so badly
By the way, the current NBA Europe proposal includes neither of these teams.
…but does leave room for the famous basketball powerhouse of… Manchester…
This atmosphere is fucking electric
Now imagine being in a stadium with 60 thousand at the football,love euro nights
Give me this over playing in the NBA any day
Bro wtf. That crowd is going nuts lol
If I was an borderline NBA role player on the wrong side of 30 I’d 1000% try and be a star in Pana, Partizan/Red Star or whatever club has those sicko fans. Must be insane vibes in cool places to live
Someone needs to pump millions into the EuroLeague so they can afford more elite players. There’s guys riding the bench in the league who can be stars overseas. It would be great for the game.
The NBA would have that vibe if tickets weren’t 3000 dollars
Bro this crowd is 1000x better than the US crowd wtf
Nothing funnier than the NBA proving how lame their rich 1%ter fan base is compared to the rest of the basketball world !
I always thought jordan nwora would end up having a role in the league somewhere
He played for Efes in Turkey last year, and couldn’t find his role.
We gambled on him this year and he has been an MVP candidate so far, altho he missed 5 games due to injury.
His athleticism allows him to be deadly in offense, but he has been defensive menace as well this year.
The coach trying to contest the shot lmao
Thats insane!
Amazing. We haven’t had crowds like this in the States in thirty years. Tickets are too expensive for blue collar fans who don’t give a fuck to show up. You might get a student section at a college game like this but even at Cameron Indoor half the fans are millionaire alums.
Even before normies were priced out, american crowds have always been pretty tame compared to pretty much everywhere else in the world. It’s a cultural thing i guess.
US has never had crowds even close to this, in any sport..
Why can’t American sport do this? Is it just not how fans are raised?
Energy of a soccer game.
Uff
Yeah, better than the kiss cam
Now THIS is a better atmosphere than most NBA games
This is great (and comes with pros and cons, of course). I’m european and i just came up with this conclusion (correct if you think i’m wrong, please). In America, fans love the game, but not as much as the players. In Europe, the players love the game, but not as much as the fans.
Butler is helluva shooter.
Amazing but still so sad to see betting adds everywhere when it starts panning around…
Damn the atmosphere looks insane.
This is why Jokic laughed when some reporter asked if the crowd phased him. Euroleague is different
I hope NBA Europe doesn’t kill this
This right here is why NBA fans talking shit to players that played in the Euroleague just fires them up
I was at the game yesterday
If you have any questions, I am here