This was called a foul on Naz Reid
I know we like to mock the refs - and it’s fun in every sport - but my friends they do not have access to multiple slow-motion angles (outside of reviews).
Calling this shit out in real-time from a baseline vantage point is not easy, that easily looked like it could have clipped his head.
Unfortunately the wolves also didn’t have access to slow motion reviews, because they already had to use both of their challenges successfully to correct other bad calls by the referees.
You should get your challenge back if you keep getting it right. If the refs are just gonna continuously fail at their job, that’s on them not on you
The league doesn’t like it because it’s less fun to watch and makes refs look like fools.
But as challenges are streamlined and the delay is lessened, they should definitely consider that.
I’d agree except the league is clearly ok with foul baiting and endless freethrows so…
Gtfo sir you’re being too logical
You would think that, but it cuts into ad time. What they need to do is add a gambling element to sponsor the challenges. Then they can have as many as they want.
I dont like challenges as they are bow, because on a technicality a ref can say, “I was right” ,get you an unsuccessful challenge and now you dont have any while the other team has unlimited challenges lol..
But i hope they figure out a way to PROPERLY define certain rules and also figure out a way to shorten review times (sometimes they take forever, when they have a dedicated department watching all replays of every game at all times.
1 used on Hart flopping on another play
Tbf one of those challenges made no sense. It wasn’t going to lead to fts yet finch challenged it like 6 mins into q1 for some unknown reason.
That stupid tech Rudy got was ridiculous though, stupid he had to even challenge it. Just give hart the flop tech for fucks sake and move on and play the game.
Thats 2 more than you wouldve gotten a few years ago. Gotta accept the circumstances that are given to you
Gotta accept that the refs keep making the wrong call specifically against one team?
Accept that we get to debate calls. Accept that they gave us the second challenge like we asked. Accept that if every call got debated the game would be 10x worse to watch. Accept that the refs are human and its impossible for them to be perfect. Accept that everybody on earth thinks the refs are unfair to their team
Brother there are wrong calls in every 1st quarter that’s ever been played lol. No one made Finch blow them both that early, the best coaches very often wave off a challenge because it’s not the right time
Them’s the breaks
He even did clip his hair!
I can’t say I envy refs in most any sport.
It’s a totally thankless job because nobody gives a shit if you make the right call 98% of the time, they skewer you for the bad ones.
But we don’t have robot refs (yet), so human foibles are just unavoidable.
I’ve reffed multiple sports. Basketball is by far the hardest. There are multiple very close judgment calls on every single play. And it’s all very fast and you never have the perfect angle.
Having also reffed basketball I agree, although I’ve never reffed hockey and it’s a similar speed on fucking ice skates lol
Makes me wonder, if he had a haircut like Guile from street fighter, would clipping his hair constitute a foul if it pushed his head while he’s shooting?
Yes ask Coby White lol.
ref blew from the opposite sideline instead of letting his colleague with an infinitely better view make the call
But this could easily be auto-reviewed in about 10 seconds, I don’t know why they aren’t making better use of technology
Do you really want to add like 1-2 minutes of getting the slow mo up and a review on every single play where a foul is called? Because that’s what you’re asking for there
No it’s not what he’s asking for. A third party could review every play while they are setting up the inbound like how the NFL has their replay review assist. Refs don’t need to look at the replay just have an ear piece in
Okay, but most fouls have gameplay implications, like changing of a possession, or giving a player free throws. Someone has to be doing those reviews, which takes time, and if the thing that is the result of the foul has already happened, like the first free throw, or play stopping and the other team getting the ball, it’s too late.
So if you want to facilitate that, they need more than an earpiece. The NBA moves faster than the NFL for that. So you are asking for a minute of delay after every foul.
No. All they have to do is watch one replay of it after the play and if it’s obvious IN THAT ONE REPLAY, tell the refs and change it. If it’s not obvious after one replay then move on
And what happens if it’s a live play, no inbound?
The same thing that happens with a challenge — it can’t be reviewed. Obviously that’s a limitation, but just like with challenges not being able to fix everything doesn’t make it bad.
I think that auto reviewing every single dead ball play would be a bad idea. People are already complaining about all the stoppages as is.
I don’t know if letting someone off camera/off site call in a foul would be a good look if the NBA wants people to think it’s not all rigged…
Yeah getting the calls correct and showing a replay of it would totally make viewers think it’s rigged…. Tf are you even trying to say?
This guys an idiot lol
Even if you were making a good point (you aren’t), you could just have the 3rd party flag to the officials that they need to take a second look, but still give them the final call.
It doesn’t matter how decisions are made, people are going to complain if the calls are made wrong. And having extra eyes on it doesn’t guarantee that the calls are right, but I do guarantee that it will lead to more suspicion of the league when bad calls do get made.
I couldn’t care less if you think my point is good or not; it is the correct take and anyone denying the truth would change their mind by the 2nd bad call against their team if implemented.
Absolutely not. I said 10 seconds. Secaucus hits a button and then immediately sees the replay w/ opportunity to do a quick overturn. Optimize for low latency even if sometimes the call is wrong
Nothing takes 10 seconds. It takes 10 seconds for the 3 refs to walk over to the table in the first place, then they have to get the screens set up, they have to watch the thing more than once. Like, have you seen how long challenges take? The process isn’t meaningfully different here
Lack of imagination, lack of technology. 3rd party checking in real time, and if something is overturned the refs get told through their earpiece. No reason for it to be local. No reason to watch multiple times to double check, just make it quick
why can’t there be an extra ref who’s only job is watching the broadcast as well as all useful angles. then they can let the refs know if they need to spend some time looking.
The NFL does this and it works. Idk why the NBA hasnt
Because when they auto-reviewed other things in the past everyone complained
i really think nba needs to increase the number of refs. the game is moving so much faster now than ever before and each of the three is tasked with so much. the nfl has learned this and has like 10 officials on the field and many other sideline support staff.
Well he also took like 4-5 steps after catching the ball without dribbling. It was pretty obvious in normal speed to get at least one of the calls right
Pretty trash take considering they erased one of the most impressive blocks I’ve ever seen and they can literally look up at the jumbotron after every close play. Refs reconvene to correct calls outside of challenges all the time.
“Pity the refs” is always the wrong argument. Everyone else had a hard job too, just get it right.
They are not supposed to look up at Jumbotrons to change calls. Are you a child or something?
Probably don’t give floppers benefit of the doubt. If they have an egregious flop early on then the defender should ALWAYS be given the benefit of the doubt
The problem is instant replay should be used faster and often. There should be a ref upstairs with all the angles that can quickly make the call or overturn a call. This makes it so there isn’t any delay.
OK, yeah. I get that. But don’t you actually still have to SEE a foul before blowing the whistle?
I get missed calls completely. I don’t get phantom calls like this where the ref is apparently just guessing.
It looks like that cuz IHART sold the contact which he always does.
If you don’t see a foul, don’t call a foul.
It’s very easy to NOT make a call you CANNOT see though. Normalize that.
As refs we are trained to call what we see and only what we see.
damn, if they cant do the job properly, maybe they need a new job.
The problem isn’t the refs (this time). It’s that the players throw their head back like they’ve been shot with absolutely no repercussion.
Agreed. But why aren’t they doing anything after the game? Why are they letting this continue?
Why ruin your own product?
So why are we still using them? We could just use a bunch of drones with cameras and just have these refs sit in front of monitors making calls. I remember when pat bev took the photographers camera to debate the ref and got a penalty. I don’t like refs, they put the integrity of the game into question, mafia already been paying them off to hit parlays. Technology and cameras don’t lie. And the amount of money this league making, it’s crazy to say that this change would be too expensive.
If it’s too drastic of a change, just start testing it I’m the G league. And also you can keep on court refs, just add this in addition to it. Think about what they go to when getting coaches challenge anyways, the same cameras.
Ure right but they rewatched and still called it
No they didn’t, the wolves didn’t have a review
The wolves great head coach decided to burn 2 challenges on useless plays in the first qtr
Useless plays? You mean like saving Rudy from his third foul? That was a necessary challenge.
Prob woulda been more useful here, gobert won okc the game anyways lmao. Missed ft and the flagrant were crazy
Naz Reid
Difficult call to make in real time. Great block by Naz tho
Replay exists
Did they ask for one?
They already successfully challenged twice, so they couldn’t anymore.
That’s how OKC gets you. They foul a billion times, but you only get two challenges.
And then they go “but there’s not a big free throw differential”
I’ve thought for a while that you should continue to get challenges if they are successful. You shouldn’t be hindered because of ref incompetence.
NBA Jam rules
I agree it’s a bad call but are we gonna slow-mo every single foul and pick it apart? or only for certain teams
Nuggets flair. You know why.
lol that’s not how it works
You can defend floppers by looking at flair. The issue is the flopping. Not the fans upset by it.
But hey, makes sense because of “flair” 😂
So you agree that in both this case and the first flagrant on Gobert, iHart is clearly flopping, but you’re just objecting to the likely motivation of the person pointing it out?
How is IHart flopping in this clip? He’s reaching for the ball that got blocked.
Do you not see his head unnaturally snap back on every play?
I guess from okc’s perspective this is normal play
Nuggets fan detected. Opinion rejected.
What happened next?
OKC won the game
You lost the argument here
Thank you, Kanye. Very cool.
He flopped next. That’s what happened next
But beacon of reason Doris Burke did call it “an absolute foul”
One would think, that if you actually believed either call was justified, you wouldn’t refuse to answer either question.
We all know OKC won, but it’s a problem if a team benefits from unfair foul calls in a close game
Where did I say the call was justified? I simply said he didn’t flop. Not my fault you’re this upset over a single call in a full basketball game.
I mean, we nit pick the shit out of everything on this sub. First-time.noose.jpg
No. Do it after the game. Send out fines and suspensions
It’ll fix itself quickly
No you’re right. It does get frustrating as a wolves fan when we play the thunder and the Lakers though. We get such a bad whistle.
I was actually quite surprised how much did get called against the thunder last night, but they still found a way to make 3 horrible calls against the wolves
I think its fair to do it when in this game there were already a kind of egregious, fairly obvious attempts by refs to control the game in a way they shouldn’t. The ref who made this call wasn’t in a position to see it clearly, there was a ref that was. They should have let the other dude handle it given that they were right there.
There were a handful of bad calls the wolves got too.
But its only fun tk shit on the thunder
If the wolves flop like okc, post it. We will shit on them too
we’re not psychotic European haters
we don’t watch basketball to take clips for Internet points
You have seen one flop from this game from hartenstein.
When I finish work tonight ill find a wolves flop to keep you happy.
Do you think that’s the only hartenstein flop? He’s learned how to do it. He does it all the time
Im sure its not. Ive seen him do it before. But from this game? Yes i do.
Plenty of players flop. Im sure players offensive your team do as well
One flop per game is a decent average
Good thing its not one per game then
Oh I know. He flops way more than that. I was just trying to be fair
Lmao fair bump
At least flair up if youre going to talk your shit
My frustration is they always let fouls go during last second shot attempts and then call this
When will y’all understand that not every wrong call by refs is some disastrous malpractice? You’re seeing this clip from an alternate angle, in high definition, slowed down like 5x its regular speed. Do you think it’s easy to catch a call like this in the middle of a game?
No because OKC something something free throws! SGA blah blah merchant!
If it’s not easy for the crew to call during live play, then can we agree that the league needs to either simplify the rulebook or get more refs?
Admitting it’s hard for the refs to do their job shouldn’t excuse the league for not enforcing its own rules.
Bruh, that’s their job though? They’re literally paid to make that call. If a restaurant messes up your order most people send it back, they don’t start defending the chef for messing up their order.
They are also paying attention to fouls offball. They’re going to miss some calls or pull the whistle on stuff like this.
There are thousands of examples of bad refs and calls you can use, this one isn’t one of them.
A player is running behind the player and swings his arms just near his head and the player shooting turns his body in a way that would match the movement he would have made if he was hit.
The ones that get me are the stupid fouls where they know it’s a foul but won’t call it unless the shot is missed, that’s the more egregious shit. I get not wanting to stop play but if you care about that, then eliminate the jump forward movement.
It’s easy, if a player jumps forward (even if that’s their normal act of shooting) then it’s not a foul and if the foul was called, it can be reversed and called an offensive foul.
Watch how fast that shit stops after two weeks of those calls
A bad call is a bad call, there are worse calls missed than this but that doesn’t excuse it
According to Doris burke - “an absolute foul”
The clip conveniently cut it short, but she was in the middle of saying that Reid got the ball and it was a bad call.
It’s funny cause the clip starts about 10sec late and ends about 5sec early to hear Doris go from literally saying that’s an obvious foul to saying its a bad call
She said it was an absolute foul before they showed the replay/this clip.
I know. And then they saw the replay and she said it shouldn’t have been a foul.
Good for her for correcting herself, not everyone does that
If you say it’s an obvious foul, you look like a fool when it isn’t
Yes yes i know. Im just saying she shouldnt say things are absolute with no real information in anything, especially coming from her who constantly uses narratives to create a different perspective than whats actually happening. Dude relax im not trying to talk bad about your thunder, im just annoyed at doris burke
Why down votes?
Commentators who are able to shape narratives on a whim shouldn’t make definitive comments, especially if it’s a wrong one. Even moreso since Doris in particular is already known to be one of the most biased national tv personality.
I dont know:(
The agenda pushing is getting really old
Nuggets flair. It’s all they know. Been doing it since the Embiid years.
Kiss already
everyone yapping about a tough call, the official on the opposite side of the court blew his whistle when there was a ref on the same sideline with a better view. anyone with ref experience knows opposite sideline ref should not be the one making that call
Bad call but i promise you there was multiple miss calls in the game as well. Officials miss stuff all the time & don’t have the benefit of watching it from home from multiple angles & speed.
It typically balances out in the grand scheme of things.
Strangely it doesn’t when you play big market teams like the Lakers.
The claim that it balances out actually isn’t true.
You think the missed call where the defender yanked down Chet’s arm on a rebound which ended up leading to a turnover in Minnesota’s favor at the end of a close game wasn’t impactful? Or the one a minute before that where Hartebstein got whacked by two defenders on a layup without a call? This subreddit decides to be very selective on which team they care about missed calls for.
Fucking thank you.
People wonder why okc fans have become insufferable. Its literally a counter jerk to the brigading that goes on here daily.
He also traveled into this shot
Naz Rubio
Hi
Gotta see the reverse angle. Inconclusive video.
Nuggets flair, I see you
Wolves should have challenged. It’s not like they used both their challenges in the first 14 minutes of this game to correct two other bad calls.
nba challenge rules are the worst in any sport
Yeah it’s the thunder, what do you expect. Their games are officiated completely different than other nba games
Bad call, no question.
Breaking news! The refs missed a call in a game where they awarded both teams 37 free throws!
Okc getting those packers calls
That’s a normal block.
It’s just the standard OKC Flop
They burned both challenges 1st half its on your coaches
Awesome play by that guy, whatever his name is
Well, yeah, you’re not allowed to block the player from shooting the ball.
Oh hartenstein. Ever since he got to okc the flops are out of control
Wonder where he learned it?
Hartenstein is a flopper now????? Lmfaooooo
Oh…you don’t know, do you? Well this is awkward.
Who wants to be the one to let him know?
You gotta pay the OKC tax when playing them. Every swipe and grab by them is legal, every one you do is a foul. Duh.
There should be a suspension for this. Just an egregious act of violence
Hartenstein is such a little bitch. He needs to be fined for flopping
Edit: How am I being downvoted. This loser flops like he got shot on a daily basis
21W ,
After these past few days hartenstein is such a flopping bitch. About to trade him in my 2k season. Don’t want any punk ass bitches on my squad.
Actually currently in the playoffs about to release this fool for nothing.
Like why does the NBA not have someone else to clearly correct refs? Coaches have a replay person on bench to help determine when to challenge, like is it not possible to have another person only flag the ref down for stuff like this? lol this is so egregious
Not why we lost that game yesterday.but by God we always seem to get terrible called games vs the thunder (both ways). I swear the nba sends their worst refs when we play them.
OKC gets an elite whistle.
I have been disliking teams ever since I started watching basketball, I also disliked players on my own team (DeMar, Aldridge), I disliked media members etc. What I’m saying is I’m a quality hater and I don’t remember hating a team as much as I hate OKC right now.
Oklahoma City getting the benefit of an absolute dogshit call?
I’m shocked!!! Shocked I tells ya
Didn’t know kids can drink this young in Oklahoma
Floppensoftenstein
Was watching rhe game live it def looked like a foul in real time
If hair counts for the purposes of out of bounds, does it count for a foul?
If it does.. then this would be a technically correct foul.
hopefully the refs will continue to help the best team in the league with a few phantom calls each game
Literally just make your free throws and you might’ve won
Irrelevant to my comment
Not at all. You can’t claim the refs are helping the other team when they gave you plenty of help to win that same game.
Surely you can find multiple phantom calls that the refs gave the Wolves at crucial moments then, right? The absolute dripping irony is making me drown here
You turned the ball over 4 times in crunch time. The refs didn’t make you fall apart when it mattered.
wolves got more free throws in this game than OKC.
they would have won if they made them.
The refs called a foul on…a foul? And?
Foul
We got ref defenders in here wow 😂
Correct call
Clearly ai generated NEXT
Against Jaylen Brown that wasn’t a foul even when there was contact
OKC is lava on offense
And?
If they didn’t have a challenge left, then tough shit.
It’s easy for you to see at 2 frames a second.
Try making that call in real time.
It’s not like this call lost y’all the game. When a call in the last 10 seconds is missed that’s the worst
These F ing refs are at it again.
Investigate them for gambling
The timberwolves only lose when there is an officiating agenda against them or the opponent uses dirty, cheating defense. Common knowledge for a couple years now.
It’s a bad call. But it was a really tough angle in real time. Also definitely not the only missed call in this game.
True, seconds before this Naz got fouled on a layup
What about chet getting his arm yanked on a rebound at the end of the game? Or when hartenstein got hit multiple times? Or the ant defence that was clear contact on shais arm before he hit the middy?
You got away with things too. Take the dummy out and grow up.
Do you guys genuinely think the NBA has some agenda to favor the Oklahoma City Thunder over the TWolves, who have one of the most marketable young American stars in the league?
I think the refs suck and OKC is the best team at taking advantage of it
Better than the Lakers?
Bro it’s a Wolves fan being salty. Don’t expect logic.
1a and 1b
This is a non crazy take and it’s just relentless downvotes. This sub really is sad.
lol don’t expect logic in this sub.
Thunder fans in the replies of any NBA post including the Thunder prove the point time and time again that they are 12 years old
Why is it a bad thing that Thunder fans would comment on something regarding the team they support?
Or maybe theyre just tired of a select group of fan bases being bitches and whining about cherry picked bs all of the time.
I don’t even see bad Thunder comments in here.
Dude of course, the thunder get to rape and pillage and you can’t breath on them. Hartenstein flopping that much at that height is so pathetic
You do realize how close the free throw differential was last night, right? And the exact same amount of fouls were called on both teams? Maybe make your free throws and then you’d win a game
Sorry, forgot I was out there on the court. I’ll get my game up
Thank you. That means a lot to me. Sidebar happy Thanksgiving
Lmao, So true brother. Happy thanksgiving boo
shit happens