I stand with Tim here. It’s horrendous.

I saw this rant watching the episode earlier today and I agree so hard with Legs. I fucking hate the order of the stats in the updated site. makes/attempts should be next to points.

FGM/FGA is how I judge a player’s performance. Now I have to find that dumbass slider to turn on all stats and then horizontally scroll to find it.

Ngl I’m so happy that someone has actually come out and said this, I thought I was going crazy.

Having PTS/REB/AST/STL/BLK in that order is kind of nice, but not at the expense of having to expand the table just to see FG/FGA

Finally someone in a prominent place complaining!

It’s not even like it’s bad, but after like what would nearly be 2 decades of looking at the ESPN box score. The change is hard to get used to.

Attempts and points being so far apart hurts my brain. Plus I feel like 3pt% and especially FT% are pointless stats to include.

Also why did they make this change like 7 games into the season and not in the pre-season?

They 100% did it for gambling.

This might sound strange but Yahoo has the best box scores

I keep looking at the wrong columns because I’m so used to the old one. Also they keep switching the gamecast, box score, and highlight positions when the game ends and I somehow always click the wrong one.

Agree!

Tim is all of us.

On a related note, it’s interesting that Adam Mares, a Nuggets reporter/blogger and Legler, a national media figure, seem to be talking more frequently. I wonder why.

We don’t need the percentages either like come on this is built for mouth breathers. I don’t need a whole column showing me ¹⁄₅ is 20%

The reason I use real

What I want and nothing else

gemini and chapgpt (both) helped me write a tampermonkey script that reorders the box score to the old style. it got complicated because of the different ways you can navigate to the box score within the site.

// ==UserScript==
// @name         ESPN NBA Box Score Custom Order & Hidden Columns
// @namespace    http://tampermonkey.net/
// @version      1.3
// @description  Reorders and hides Box Score Columns
// @match        https://www.espn.com/nba/*
// @grant        none
// @run-at       document-idle
// ==/UserScript==

(function() {
    'use strict';

    const BOX_SCORE_TABLE_SELECTOR = 'table.Table.Table--align-right';
    const NEW_ORDER_INDICES = [0, 9, 11, 13, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 15, 16, 1];

    let observer = null;

    // --- Column reorder function ---
    function reorderTableColumns(table) {
        if (!table || table.dataset.reordered === "true") return;
        const rows = table.querySelectorAll('thead tr, tbody tr');

        rows.forEach(row => {
            const cells = Array.from(row.querySelectorAll('th, td'));
            const newOrderCells = [];
            NEW_ORDER_INDICES.forEach(newIndex => {
                if (cells[newIndex]) newOrderCells.push(cells[newIndex]);
            });
            cells.forEach(cell => cell.remove());
            newOrderCells.forEach(cell => row.appendChild(cell));
        });

        table.dataset.reordered = "true";
    }

    // --- Main logic for boxscore pages ---
    function runScript() {
        // Only act if the URL really is a boxscore page
        if (!location.pathname.includes("/nba/boxscore/")) {
            if (observer) observer.disconnect();
            return;
        }

        if (!observer) {
            observer = new MutationObserver(() => {
                const tables = document.querySelectorAll(BOX_SCORE_TABLE_SELECTOR);
                tables.forEach(reorderTableColumns);
            });
        }

        // Do an immediate pass
        const tables = document.querySelectorAll(BOX_SCORE_TABLE_SELECTOR);
        tables.forEach(reorderTableColumns);

        // Watch for dynamic table reloads
        observer.observe(document.body, { childList: true, subtree: true });
    }

    // --- Watch for SPA-style URL changes ---
    function observeUrlChanges(callback) {
        const pushState = history.pushState;
        const replaceState = history.replaceState;

        function onUrlChange() {
            callback();
        }

        history.pushState = function(...args) {
            pushState.apply(this, args);
            onUrlChange();
        };

        history.replaceState = function(...args) {
            replaceState.apply(this, args);
            onUrlChange();
        };

        window.addEventListener('popstate', onUrlChange);
    }

    // --- Kick everything off ---
    observeUrlChanges(runScript);
    runScript(); // initial run
})();

I don’t claim to understand how it works, so please use at your own risk and don’t ask me for help if this doesn’t work for you.

Looks like it was developed for aesthetic and not functionality. ESPN is literally going out of its way to fuck up every single aspect of their company.

Tim leglar is the goat

Feel the same way. I’ve been going to nba.com . I really like it.

When they release Box Score v3 it’s gonna blow your socks off. For only $3.99 a week you can reorganize columns how you like and it’ll save to your Meta account (mandatory)

I noticed it too. It’s annoying.

https://plaintextsports.com/nba/

You’re welcome

Why fix something wen it didn’t need to be fixed? Stupid ESPN 🤬

At least they finally foxed the contrast issues with the Game Trends graph on the ESPN app.

I don’t trust ESPN for anything factual ever!

Damn. Zach Lowe really let himself go.

The “real” app is great if you ignore the absolute degeneracy of gambling culture in the comments

He’s right and I feel better now because I thought I was going crazy and it was user error

no sofascore in the states?

Cant stand it either. Always changing shit

THANK YOU

Its so unnecessary

I too hate it, but when I first realized they changed it i was like “like that’s really annoying”. And didn’t think anything of it.

But hearing Legs rant on this made me happy that I wasn’t alone in thinking that haha. He also said he’d try to use his influence to try and change it back. Legs will be GOATED in this sub if he accomplishes that.

I hate how it always takes me to the app now too

100% agree

💯 100% FACT!!!

The app one sucks now too

What I wanted: replace FGM/FGA attempted with 2PM/2PA.

What I’d have accepted: a separate column for TS%.

What I got: separate columns for FG%, 3P%, and FT%, right next to the actual fractions.

(I had to check myself and ask if I was just objecting to change because it’s change. My conclusion: that’s part of it, but also, the new box score is more cumbersome, and it’s bizarre how points are so far from the shooting splits that I have to scroll back and forth instead of seeing both at the same time. It’s just not worth the questionable convenience of having the fractions converted into percentages.)

one of the few things I agree with him on

Basketball reference or NBA.com

Not to mention the game logs are setup differently depending on what sport you’re looking at. For basketball the most recent game is at the top but for football it’s at the bottom. Who in the world thought it made sense for the same site to show the games in a different order based on the particular sport?

Same, definitely not a fan

So true. The other night I thought all 5 starters on my team scored less than 5 points before I realized it was shuffled around and I was looking at personal fouls

Use CBS Sports, instead. It has a normal box score display.

Legs is legit

Thanks Tim.

i share this sentiment. i hate it and i am equally perplexed why they’d do it. it’s especially bad on mobile

It’s so wild to me that this many people still use ESPN app. The autoplay nonsense got me off that long ago. There are such faster apps for finding scores

Tim legler is the man of the people! I hope I got that phrase right. But I am so happy that someone in the mainstream said this, because it is annoying looking at ESPN box scores now.

Same

Agreed

Eventually, the box score will include bet place. Pro bet win with a green check mark. Pro bet loss with a red number.

It’s pretty obvious the decision makers at ESPN are not sports fans. It’s almost like they’re try to degrade their product as much as they can rather than trying to enhance their user experience.

I agree it drives me nuts. I like to look at shooting stats

Crazy that people use ESPN for literally anything other than watching a game live 😂

Agreed, it’s terrible

Thank goodness someone in media is talking about it. WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS CHANGE

Lol I made a comment in a GDT yesterday asking for an alternative to ESPN for recaps or boxscores

I casually glance at college basketball box scores. They all seem to be standardized. Is there no standard measure anymore? 

SAME!!!!! holy shit, wow i’m glad i’m not the only one

Stupid people trying to justify their smart job

I noticed this immediately and thought maybe it was a bug, especially since they didn’t change the columns on other stat pages, just the box scores. The fact that this was done on purpose blows my mind.

I was thinking I was crazy that FGs were missing without scrolling. Glad to know I’m not. The whole app is hot garbage.

YES!!! I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this

Same Tim

“Legler cannot stand”

Espn sucks

Dunksandthrees has an immaculate box score

So it’s not just me. It ruined my day when they changed it .

I still use plaintextsports. I can’t remember who made it on this sub but it’s great and I’ve used it for years

Those box scores are awful on mobile. Go back to the old format!

The yahoo app has been amazing, I’ve only ever used it and when i tried espn I threw up in my mouth at their ui and stats lol

I thought it was just me!! It’s ridiculous. Change it back to the way it has been since the day Gamecast was invented 20 something years ago

They definitely needed to put steals and blocks but getting rid of fg/fga is fucking insane

wtf is wrong with Tim legler’s face

Probably some dei hire and change from folks running the show with no real world experience

Stop supporting  inept behavior 

This reminds me of my university almost 20 years ago finally getting a Jumbotron and missing out on adding in FOULS for player stats. No one cares about fts within the smaller stat board

They hadn’t changed it some 15 years later. I stopped asking