Reggie Miller seems outraged that somebody would have Giannis on their Power Forward Mount Rushmore
I can maybe understand why Shaq hates on other centers. But what on earth is up with Reggie’s hate for Giannis? Lol 😂
Pacers and Bucks hate each other? I guess? Truly idk
Do they?
I mean it makes sense geographically, but I don’t think there’s been enough relevant basketball/high stakes/playoff basketball played between them for much of a rivalry to develop.
Granted I’m under the impression that there’s no true rivalries in the NBA. It’s all Cavs - Warriors type stuff based on who’s been good and played a few playoff series in quick succsion. (Which is my least favorite part of the NBA. The NFL and CBB have ancestral rivalries that exist no matter how good either team is. A chiefs fan hates the raiders just as his father before him and his before his. Does anyone actually care about a Bulls pistons game more than any other game on the schedule these days?)
They really don’t, if anything it seems like the Pacers dislike the Bucks. Maybe it was more of a 90s thing.
I’ve been a Bucks fan since the Jennings days. In my experience, other Bucks fans have way more beef with the Bulls and Celtics. Individual dislike for Hali, but that stems from his antics more than him being on the Pacers.
Yup this is exactly how I feel. I nothing Indiana. I hate Haliburton
Heat and Knicks always hate each other
Melo and LeBron are obviously good friends, but that’s as far as that went.
Lakers Celtics rivalry has spanned decades so that’s a true rivalry right there
Knicks, Celtics, and 6ers definitely still have pretty hardcore fans/rivalries.
The last few years have had multiple instances featuring the Bucks and Pacers, Giannis and Hali(‘s dad). Reggie being a Pacer stan can’t shake the hate for the team that gives the Pacers a hard time. Even recently he went off on him for his uncalled travel and how easy it is to play like that now.
The guy with zero rings wants to gatekeep the greatness of a homegrown superstar that carried a small market team to a chip.. something he failed to do.
Probably didn’t shake his hand after a game or some shit
Giannis didn’t invite him to his birthday party
Reggie’s cousin is a ladder.
Because there’s no Dirk on his list
Replace Malone with Dirk
I’m gonna get downvoted but Malone over dirk isn’t crazy. He has more MVP’s, more All-NBA selections, 4 All-Defense selections to dirks 0, 3rd all time leading scorer, and his longevity had his game age WAY better than Dirk.
Off court hate aside, 1 title shouldn’t just scrub that.
You’re not crazy. Malone is one of the best players of all time.
He is also a rapist.
Both things can be true simultaneously.
2nd greatest rapist baller after kobe.
*Pedo
Both. Sexual activity with a minor is classed as both pedophilia and statutory rape.
Giannis is not worse than Dirk.
Never said he was, but I assume that’s why Reggie is upset, not because it’s a slight at Gianni’s
He hates the Bucks. He’s terrible whenever he commentates a Milwaukee game
In fairness to Reggie, he is terrible when he commentates the games of all other teams too.
You can remove the last 3 of words from your comment
You can always hear it when he calls our games. Maybe it’s jealousy because Giannis actually managed to get the job done while Reggie failed Indy?
He had a rancid souvlaki once that caused him awful food poisoning.
You can tell when he announces games that he just hates the Bucks in general.
division rival…
Reggie is kinda dumb
Who the F does Reggie think warrants the 4th spot? His own argument doesn’t make sense. “if he got one more”…. well, Karl is on there with ZERO
And Garnett with one - same as Giannis
Giannis got 2 MVP’s
Should have 3
Like 7 top 4s in a row in mvp voting on his way to a 8th
Hell if he keeps playing the way he has, he’ll have a very good chance to win it this year.
Bunch of all-NBA and all star nods, MIP, NBA Cup MVP as well.
Not to mention several all time Finals moments and arguably the best close out performance in a Finals series.
Does any other player have free throws on their career highlight reel? My guy has been plagued by them but went 17⁄19 in game 6. Stud.
And won while perhaps still being the best player on the team, but still nowhere near having the impact Giannis had
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That was 30 year old KG with 13 years of tread on those tires. He took the Lakers to 6 with Sam Cassel as his 2nd fiddle.
Prime KG played in the west with the likes of the Lakers/Spurs dynasty.
Prime KG playing the east? 😀
True, but if we are arguing championships as Reggie brought up, Id value Giannis’ ring and performance in the finals over KG’s
Yeah but KG wasted his prime years in Minnesota
That’s true. KG didn’t get to play for a historic powerhouse in a big market like…. Milwaukee.
Pacers and Bucks rivalry is real.
Reggie Miller has always been like this with Giannis, it’s not a rivalry thing (or if the rivalry factors it’s just encouraged him). Had to listen him commentate the ‘21 run like he was witnessing the fall of man.
He hasn’t always been like this. He actually used to really uplift Giannis at one point. I feel like he didn’t start hating on him until the back to back MVPs
As a Bucks fan, he’s always been anti-Giannis. Or at least once the team was competitive.
I remember back in 2017 or 2018 Reggie wished he could come back with Giannis’ game, but with his own jump shot. He said he could then destroy Jordan. Reggie has always had something to say about Giannis’ shooting, but he did praise his overall game for the most part. As the accolades started rolling in and the rest of the word began to respect Giannis more, Reggie’s disrespect grew at the same rate.
To be honest I think that’s kind of the natural process of how people come to dislike certain players. Like everyone liked Shai until the Thunder started really winning. People like them because they don’t feel threatening, but then they get very good and for whatever reason that can feel threatening so people turn a bit.
This is just a thing in life. Everybody loves a coming up story. Watching someone grind and get better, beat the odds, make a name for themselves.
However, once that person achieves something really big. They start to hate them, talk about how they didn’t earn it, they changed, etc.
The reality is large accomplishments that come with accolades or prestige make people stop and consider themselves and how they are coming up short in their own life. Often times in areas that aren’t even related. A lot of people quit on themselves. A lot. Everyone slacks off at points. So when a refugee who grew up completely poor and was written off his first five years in the NBA gets MVP twice, its like “fuck if he could do that, why couldn’t I get a ring/get that promotion/whatever”. And deep down they remember the times they quit or slacked off.
I figured this out when I realized my family and friends I grew up with liked me better as a junkie than when I got my PhD. Despite bitching at me non stop to live up to my potential and cheering me on at first.
(Not saying my example is the same, but its the same underlying idea. People don’t like you achieving things they think are impossible, because it reminds them of their own shortcomings).
Not for him. He’s been weird about Milwaukee since before the new rivalry kicked off, despite the fact we won three (3) whole playoff series in his entire career, none of which were against the Pacers.
I mean…Dirk
Dirk has one more finals appearance and much better shooting but is there a single other argument to put him above Giannis?
Longevity is why i have Dirk above Giannis right now but when he ends is career he could definitely pass Dirk by then. But he hasn’t yet in my opinion
Giannis already has the same amount of All NBA selections, and 3 more first team selections than Dirk, alongside winning a DPOY and getting selected to the all defensive first team 4 times. His resume is already more impressive than Dirks, the ONLY thing Dirk has above him is All Star selections and he 100% didn’t deserve one of them.
You forgot the 11K more points that Dirk has over Giannis. That more than 50% of what Giannis currently has (20k).
Giannis is great but let’s not act like Dirk isn’t an all time great. 6th all time in points. 6th.
Very fair.
From Reggie’s perspective as a shooter, I can see why he’d prefer dirk even though I don’t agree. I don’t see who Shaq would say is above him, since idk why he’d say dirk is a power forward and not giannis
He also has Barkley on his Rushmore, another with no ring
Chuck was a phenomenal basketball player and absolutely has an argument to be on the Rushmore of PFs. MVP & 11 x All-NBA (5x 1st team).
They’re not saying Chuck shouldn’t be in the Pantheon. Just that it doesn’t match his reasoning.
His Giannis take is definitely stupid
Chuck was awesome. Giannis is better, and at 31 years old, has already had a better career than Chuck did. 1 Championship, 1 Finals MVP, 2 MVPs, 9x All-NBA (7x 1st team), defensive player of the year.
No one here debating that. I don’t think. Giannis gets all his flowers.
Me when I’ve totally missed the point
How is that better than Giannis’ resume
He says in the same convo he considers an argument for Rodman lmao
no fucking way BAHAHAHA
maybe dirk. probably is just biased towards who he played against
I’ll tell you what Karl Malone doesn’t have zero of
2x MVP 1x DPOY 0x kiddy diddler
If we’re using guys being pieces of shits against them Kobe can’t be top ten because he’s a rapist too
Sounds good to me
Don’t even need the raping to keep him out of the top ten tbh
I mean, sure. I don’t have Kobe in my top 10, anyway. I’d be pretty pumped if people quit glazing that rapist.
He is not top 10 either way.
He’s not top ten either way
Even if you disagree giannis is definitely in the discussion. Reggie is acting like it’s some crazy idea he would be.
to me shaq saying hes not a power forward is an even dumber reaction than reggies lmao
Right. He’s more of a PF than Duncan is. Duncan played 64% of his career minutes at C and 36% at PF, but it hurts Duncan’s legacy if he’s viewed as a C rather than a PF so people like to view him as a PF.
it hurts Duncan’s legacy if he’s viewed as a C rather than a PF so people like to view him as a PF.
He won 5 titles, and he’s in the extended top 10 discussion all time. I think we are splitting hairs to say it hurts his legacy
Best PF of all time sounds better than top 5 C of all time.
Luckily for duncan he’s both the best PF of all time and a top 5 center of all time
Who’s even a forward anymore? Wemby is playing guard more than anyone his size. Small sample size, but I see Giannis as a guard forward. Small forward really despite his size. What’s size anymore? Some players are combo and that’s what Duncan was despite what he was listed on the scoresheet.
Honestly, I think that was more of a response to try to defend Reggie’s immediate reaction. And then just held onto it even though Reggie still considers him a PF (as we all do).
he does tend to double down
I’m not convinced shaq can name the positions of other players.
reggie acting like he just said giannis is better than that scrub michael jordan
In Reggie’s defense he played with power forwards like Dale Davis, Lasalle Thompson and Antonio Davis. So he knows something about power forward greatness.
It’s too early for Giannis is an insane thing to say lmao.
Its also an interesting window in the psyche of your average nostalgic oldhead. Literally stuck in time
Shaq saying he’s a 3 is nonsensical as well.
He’s definitely a 3 in the era Shaq played in. I’m not saying Shaq is right but in his mind I’m sure 4s are guys like Malone, Duncan, and enforcers like Charles Oakley etc not guys who routinely bring up the ball and initiate offense. Like no 4 in Shaq’s era or before is initiating a pick and roll as a ball handler.
In the modern game he’s definitely a 4 but in any prior era he probably wouldn’t be considered one.
There is no way he would play the 3 at nearly 7ft tall and the massive wingspan he’s a PF in any era. Probably just wouldn’t be given the room to operate in the past but he’d still definitely be a 4.
I honestly think that is such a wild statement, maybe even crazier than Reggie’s reaction.
It’s just that old school PFs hung out in the paint, didn’t ball handle like Giannis. I think he designates him a 3 because of his playstyle but it’s like dude, he plays the 4. He’s the other “big” with the 5.
I mean all that matters is Which era did the player play in.
It’s literally a microcosm of humanity. No one can adapt to change so they yell at the sky.
For real it’s like they think Giannis just entered the league. This is his 13th season, he’s an NBA vet, he’s accomplished more than like 97% of all NBA players to ever play.
99.5%
2 MVPs alone is rare company
Yeah back to back MVPs is insane territory to be in. Any player that can win back to back MVPs is probably already automatically in the top 20-25 players of all time. Giannis also won MVP, DPOY, a ring, and FMVP in 1 year. That’s a peak that only a handful of players have ever touched. Giannis is one of the 20 greatest players of all time imo and I don’t even think that’s a controversial opinion.
he had an insane run
2 MVPs, 1 DPOY, and a ring/FMVP in a 3 year stretch puts him in all time peak conversations
With him dropping a 50 point game to win the finals lol
Accomplished way more than Reggie. Obviously.
His reasoning is even worse. “If Giannis had another championship” when KG and Malone who are on there have a combined 1 ring
And combined 0 finals mvps
Magic Johnson had 12 years on the Lakers. Imagine somebody saying he didn’t put in enough time to be considered GOAT worthy
It’s even worse than just Magic’s 12 in LA.
Bird had 13 in Boston. Bill Russell had 13 in Boston. Jordan had 13 in Chicago (and 15 overall). Wilt had 14 overall.
Could be half of a top 10 all time list but apparently that’s not enough time for Reggie.
Reggie hating on Giannis is a thing for more than 5 years. All of his commentary is always negative in regards to Giannis and he openly dislikes him.
Bucks Pacers rivalry runs deep!
All the way back to the first mid season tournament semi-final game in 2023!
Honestly id respect it a ton more if this was the true backbone of it
He’s hated Giannis for as long as I can remember
Since like 2017 at least
100%. Reggie is a clown when it comes to commentary on bucks game. He hates on the bucks and Giannis all the time. Then he brought up maybe if Giannis had 1 more ring but Karl Malone has none and KG has 1. GTFOH
Yeah but usually he goes for the “passive agressives” Types of comments about Giannis game
Man could have 60 points but any bucket other than a dunk and he’s 100% letting the audience know “you can live with that”.
He’s the same way with luka, idk if it’s Euro bias or the newest Gen after LeBron and steph he hates or what
even if he disagreed, that’s such an outlandish overreaction lmao
I’m shocked the dude didn’t ask him why or push the point at all. He’s totally justified
seriously, if i hadn’t seen them say giannis, based on reaction alone i would assume said tobias harris or something lol
Honestly, I’d consider Reggie Miller for my all time outlandish overreactions Mount Rushmore, but Reggie has no NBA Titles… Soo…. Nah…
Reggie Miller has garbage NBA takes and has shat on Giannis for years. This isn’t a surprise.
I would also argue Giannis is already the 2nd best PF ever, and is at worst 3rd.
His actual PF Top 4 isn’t that unreasonable: Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley. I’d have Giannis after TD personally and I feel you can mix and match the rest + Dirk.
I just find the complete dismissal of Giannis kind of disrespectful.
He also says earlier in the interview that Dennis Rodman is close to being on his Rushmore.
It is unreasonable considering Giannis is more accomplished than everyone there other than Duncan.
Duncan is the only obvious lock before Giannis. And if he’s not already ahead of Dirk and/or KG he will be either this year or next.
Malone and Barkley both lack a title, while Gianni’s has that and a Finals MVP, and just as many regular season accolades.
It’s just Miller underrating Giannis. All those guys are greats too.
I mean Giannis has had a better career than Karl Malone and Charles Barkley.
He’s also just a plain better player than both.
Charles barkley over giannis in big 2025. Yeah okay
I don’t think Barkley would even put himself over Giannis
He’s 2nd Probably won’t be first tho. Unless he wins more rings
I think he’d need to win 2 more and another mvp to be at Duncan’s tier
Most of the old head players have horrible takes. It’s because they have huge blind spots for when they played. They don’t care about what came before or what came after, their time was the best time where all the best players were and everything else is bullshit.
2 time MVP. Carried his team to a championship. Almost 10 years as a top 5 player in the league and they’re saying it’s too early?
Everybody else who is brought up after Duncan (Barkley, Malone, Dirk, KG - maybe not Bob Pettit, but his name never comes up in these conversations) has some gap in their resume that Giannis doesn’t have. Whether it’s a ring, an FMVP, defensive accolades, they’re all missing something. But Giannis has it all
Also Duncan is arguably more a center than a PF. He played more minutes at C and he came into as NBA as a C and only played PF because of who was on his team that drafted him. Also, he’s 100% a C in today’s NBA
At this point he’s undeniably better than Dirk, and probably Barkley. I love Barkley but he didn’t play defense like Giannis does and Giannis might not be as well rounded of a scorer but season by season Giannis has outscored him from his 5th season on. Barkley has a slightly higher shooting percentage until his production falls off and then Giannis is much better. 3pt% is a wash.
I think it’s hyperbole to say he’s “undeniably better than Dirk”. If someone has Dirk over Giannis it’s hardly outrageous
what was his reaction to karl getting on the list??
Erection
Karl Malone on if he would acknowledge his rape baby: “It’s too early. Maybe if he made the NFL”.
Anyone who has watched a Reggie Miller commentated Bucks game knows he hates on Giannis.
Which is weird cause he’s pretty complimentary towards other players unlike other retired stars
Every year Giannis doesn’t leave is another player coming after Millers career “loyalty”
Didn’t Dirk already break that
Yep, key word there was another
Wake up old man! The future is here
All sports are bad for it, but basketball probably has the worst case of “it was better back in my day… because it was my day”
Basketball is in the perfect middle ground of being a team sport so you can’t put all praise and blame on one individual and the teams being small enough for one person to completely make the game about themselves which let people credit and discredit players as they wish.
Reggie commenting during that travel “I could’ve played til I was 50 if they let me do this” type shit was EXACTLY this. Absolute nonsense, not even close to reality, he’s never been a tenth of the player Giannis is, but seeing him not get called for a travel = it was harder for me! lol ridiculous
Sure, that was an egregious travel, but a travel is a travel. If Reggie thinks he’s never gotten away with a travel, he’s delusional lmao
He also if you try to make prime Reggie do that move he was not the athlete that Giannis is to be able to do that
He’s taken aback with no reasoning behind it. If its not Giannis, cool, but? His reaction would be more appropriate if he said Zion Williamson or something.
This just made me dislike Reggie so much more. The most undeserving top 75 player, and a certified hater.
And why is he talking championships when he’s good with Karl Malone?
No issues with no rings Malone there, but Giannis needs a 2nd? Makes no sense.
It’s even funnier if you consider the actual top 5-6 PFs except Duncan…
Giannis has 1 ring.
Malone 0.
KG also 1 and he didn’t carry like Giannis or Dirk, it wasn’t peak KG.
Dirk also 1.
Barkely 0.
But the issue is Giannis only has 1? Reggie Miller is a clown.
A clown with no rings
Karl Malone is 3rd all-time in points scored. He’s got a case without a ring. Don’t get me wrong, Giannis broke the NBA like Steph. He’s impossible to guard in transition. He deserves to be top 4, especially by the time his career is over. But so does Karl. Its not a crazy selection as if somebody said Carlos Boozer or something.
Saying Giannis isn’t on the Mt. Rushmore of PFs is literal insanity. Dude is a multiple time MVP, DPOY, and champion Finals MVP with a 50 point close out game to seal the chip. Like, what are we even talking about here???
An idiot by the name of Reginald Miller.
He is probably the 2nd greatest PF already unlness you are tied to some insane RANGZ brain
Shaq asking if Giannis is a Power Forward like four times in the clip just makes his opinion irrelevant.
I honestly was in shock. He’s also been in arguments about Giannis being a center and said that Giannis was a PF. It’s been years and he’s asking that.
Brook Lopez has secretly been a SG this whole time.
Luka Doncic, Center, Los Angeles Lakers
i hate this bum
I can make a case putting Giannis at 2…
He makes the mount rushmore of PFs easily btw. He got a legit ring, plays both sides of the ball, DPOY and is in the top 5 MVP race for the last five years
Miller does a lot of yapping for someone who never made 2nd team all-nba let alone 1st team
Shaq is one of the worst basketball analysts ever and has won everything so let’s not use this reasoning.
Both Shaq and Reggie need to stop yapping
Guy who never won a championship argues that if another guy won more than what he already has won, then he’d be considered more better.
Not like I needed another reason to hate on Reggie after last night’s game but here we are
Giannis is so clearly in the top 4 and he’s still got years to go and isn’t slowing down yet. The only guy with a clear cut case over Giannis based on accolades is Duncan and Duncan isn’t a clear cut PF. I’d put Giannis on par with Garnett but that’s comparing the entirety of Garnett’s career to Giannis at 30. Garnett’s total accolades can be offset by the fact that he never won a ring as a clear cut 1a.
It’s Duncan at 1 then Barkley Malone Giannis KG and Dirk in whichever order you wanna put them
Giannis is pretty easily the 2nd greatest PF ever behind Tim Duncan. He has the awards, he has the numbers, he has literally everything.
All Reggie miller does is hate on Giannis and loves the sound of his own voice while doing so. He’s jealous of Giannis having a ring and being actually respected while he is just pitied for being a ringless pacer legend. (What ever that is)
Reggie has decided long ago that as long as he’s loud about it the take is good.
Into the retirement home with his bum ass
Lol Giannis is already the 2nd best PF ever
It’s Timmy at 1 KG at 2 then whatever else you want, but those are pretty firmly my top 2 PFs. Giannis being on someone’s top 4 isn’t that crazy lol dudes a freak of nature.
Giannis is definitely a 4
He’s a downhill, face up PF
The apex of the Blake Griffin types
This is why we don’t listen to former players when considering these ranks
Giannis is very clearly #2 at this point. Dirk doesn’t have the DPOY, and both rings are almost equal at this point. Dirk still has the edge for that playoff run, but giannis also had that phenomenal block on ayton AND dropping 50 to close it out, with a busted up leg, AND the clutch free throws. The multiple mvps and the DPOY tells me all I need to know about giannis in this debate. Duncan #1, giannis #2, everyone else can fight it out after that
I’m the biggest Dirk fan there is and I agree. Giannis disrespect is insane to me. Feels like people are mad that he’s this physical freak despite the fact that there is a lot of skill involved in his finishing imo. I’d argue the discourse would be a lot different if he was an American playing in New York.
Reggie Miller was a one-dimensional player who couldn’t win it all. He has even less depth as an analyst.
He wasn’t even the best player in his own family
I wish I could be 7 feet, run and just dunk. That takes no skill at all.
lol comments like this are so dumb.
The fact that Giannis is so big and strong but can still dribble and move like he does is incredible really.
Are you calling James harden dumb
His comments about Giannis were also dumb.
If OP was making a joke about Harden’s comments from several years ago, then I’m dumb.
I think guy missed the joke but yes I’d def call harden dumb
You also get 5 steps with the gather
Giannis has the ring. Finals mvp, two MVP’s, defensive player of the year. Routinely averages 30. He might be the best when it’s all said and done
giannis is, without question, the best after tim duncan
NBA on NBC was great except Miller and Tirico. They brought over the SNF shit where they talk about everything but the game. Crawford kept having to bring things back to what was actually happening.
I loved Jamal Crawford on NBA TV I think he’s gonna be great on national broadcasts now
Reggie is just jealous Giannis did what he couldn’t, win a ring for a small market. All I see is a bitter old man who can’t let go of the past
If you consider Duncan a center (as I think we should) there’s a better argument for Giannis as the surest member of the PF Mount Rushmore than being left off it
He’s a small forward that plays the power forward position
Malone is a horrible, god awful person, but belongs on the list. Dirk might be the final pick, but not mad at Giannis making it.
His reaction is silly. There are basically six legitimate options with one still playing so some combination of the four is inherently pretty close. I think Duncan, Malone, and Barkley are locks and the other three are up for debate and personal preference (I think it’s perfectly reasonable to take Giannis over KG and Dirk already with the caveat that he’s still in his prime so his career numbers are going to look much better when it’s over). As always, thoughts about his personal life aside, the minimization of Malone’s standing in this sub is wild. I loved KG but I think it’s arguable that Giannis is a more impactful player on both ends and his career stats will pretty easily outpace KG’s.
Giannis a top 2 PF of all time already fuck off Reggie.
I think Reggie wanted Dirk and Chuck there just as a respect factor, Giannis is still playing. But honestly he’s the 2nd best PF all time already