You traded Pena?

Walter Alston signed 23 1-year deals with the Dodgers. He won 4 Wolrd Series and lost 3 in that 23 year span.

Movie isn’t even right. Art Howe still had another year on his contract but the Athletics fired him after 2002.

And Billy Bean tricked the Mets into thinking Art Howe was a good manager.

RIP PSH.

What about the fans? They could have taught one of them.

I miss PSH

I love how Moneyball always randomly pops up

Lou Brown did alright in Cleveland. Of course he had his sweet gig at Tire World to fall back on.

Lol only if you want to do something different from the what the organization wants to do 

What kind of manager even accepts a one year deal? Pujols at least had the self respect to say no.

If rumors are true, Arte is looking to sell after the new CBA is made.

He’s also on consulting services contract or something for them. That contract pays him \(7 million dollars annually from what I read. They probably offered him a 1 year contract for \)3 million and he told them to fuck off.

A Gm going to be fired at the end of the year wanting to test his special assistant and a team that needs a manager

Not sure if this is how it works, but if a manager is under contract for 2027 and there’s a lockout, do they still get paid?

I get owners being cheap. But on a first year manager contract? Also what’s the point of not giving them a longer contract?

When a strike happens, do owners have to give back pay? Isn’t it the players that go on strike?

If you could get a manager on a one-year deal, why not?

Hell, I’m surprised Arte didn’t ask for an “at-will, can fire at any time for no reason at all” contract.

It’s not speculation at this point. There will absolutely be a lockout and probably for the whole year

I’d say that the odds of a lockout after next season are close to 100%.

But the odds that any regular season games are missed is closer to 10% or so. Call it 50-50 odds that Spring Training is truncated down to a couple weeks.

…but if we do lose any games, we’ll probably lose months, or the whole damn season. Canceling games for a work stoppage would be a point of no return, once that happens everyone’s going to want to make the lost revenue mean something.

Planning harder for a lockout than he ever has for building a competitive team

And only because it’s going to save him money

Arte Morono

And Albert.

Ohtani and trout. Nothing to show for it

I legitimately forgot ohtani spent years on the angels. That’s how bad they fucked it up. The first team that one of the greatest players played on is an absolute after thought. 

No, it’s widely assumed that a lockout is going to happen because the players and owners can’t come to agreement on setting restrictions for contracts. Owners want the cap because they don’t want to increase payroll, players want the floor because they don’t want bottlenecks on their earning potential, and the needle hasn’t moved at all on this.

There’s also been rumors that Arte could look to sell after the new cba and wouldn’t want to have many contracts locked down to hurt the value.

possibility

Certainty. There will be no baseball in 2027, not for a long time. Just like in 1994, baseball owners think they have to destroy their product to make more money from the product.

Enjoy the World Series this year!

Suzuki is tied to Perry. Perry has 1 year left on his contract, which is in line with the lockout. Arte may or may not have planned this to line up or its a coincidence

Anyway the Angels are having a lot of contracts in the front office and on the roster come off at the end of 2026 and 2027, so this could very well have been timed to be a sell point for team (hopefully)

They’re not. Arte Moreno is just massively incompetent. The Rangers gave a 4 year deal to a manager this month.

Both

It’s not just Arte. The Cubs structured a majority of their “core” extensions to go through 2026. Happ, Hoerner, Seiya, Taillon and Boyd are all free agents after next year. The only (post-arb) contracts they have on the books in 2027 are Dansby and Shota (if they pick up his option). Ricketts has been planning this for five years, from the moment they signed the last CBA

Arte’s never been cheap. It’s the casual fans that only parrot what they get told on here that think that.

He spends….it’s just that “he” spends and not his GM…so you get a washed Pujols, a washed Hamilton, a washed CJ Wilson, etc….

He brings in guys he thinks will have start power and be great, not realizing they’ve already peaked and are either regressing, or will be within the first year or two of a long-term deal.

He’s essentially the Jerry Jones of MLB. He goes out and gets “his guys” even though his guys haven’t been good for a decade.

Yeah I’ve literally never seen a single person that wants a salary cap who cares how much money owners make. It’s a complete strawman argument from people LARPing “solidarity” with multi-millionaires who also could not give less of a shit about them.

Not only this, I think the media and players union are massively overestimating how much popular support they are going to have. Yes, in terms of wealth the public is closer to the players than the owners… but when I see guys getting 300, 400, 500m+ contracts, they aren’t exactly all that close to me either. Like, I’m not going to lick billionaire boots, but I’m also not going to lick the boots of guys like Harper, Scherzer, Soto, and even Boros, and I don’t think thats a particularly uncommon sentiment (especially off of reddit).

From where I sit, the only thing I want is baseball in 2027, and the primary thing that appears to be getting in the way of that is the player’s union being opposed to something I think would probably be a net benefit to the game, if implemented correctly as it has been in other sports. If the players actually strike, the damage to the game will be immense. They should open their eyes, stomach a salary cap, and in return push for a salary floor, or quicker free agency.

Funny how it’s always the LA and New York flairs calling people bootlickers. Surely there’s no ulterior motives there lol

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People boil this CBA stuff down to players vs. owners, but the leaves out the most important party (and the reason this business even exists) which is the fans.

We don’t get a seat at the negotiation table, but fans absolutely have their own set of priorities for the sport – some of which are going to align with the players, and some of which are going to align with the owners. Wanting a relatively level financial playing field just happens to be the latter.

But the Dodgers need to win again to officially ruin baseball. We’re at a stalemate.

Looking good for the Expos Nats next year too, if that’s the case.

It’s not going to come with the right concessions though, because the owners want to spend less money, not more. If it’s good for the owners, it’s not going to be good for the players, hence why neither side wants to budge. You really think you’ve figured something out that the players union hasn’t?

There’s no doubt in my mind that if the owners are united in wanting a cap at all costs, they could get the players to overwhelmingly agree to the cap

But one thing to keep in mind is that NYM, NYY, TOR, LAD, and a couple other teams really dont want a cap

The thing is, the owners have made no indication that they’re willing to compromise with a cap floor. And seeing how there are teams whose payroll is lower than the cap floor of the fucking NHL I have no reason to believe they are willing to do so.

The reason why there is a hardline anti-cap movement in the MLBPA is because of that reason. A cap without a floor is just a blanket suppression of wages. And given how even the lowest salary floor in North America (the NHL’s) as a comparison would mandate a minimum spending of about 155 million in the MLB, that there is another reason why we’re probably gonna be seeing this fight last a long while. Cause going by overall payroll there are 14 teams below that floor and if you go by 26 man roster which is the way the NHL salary cap is calculated there are 24 teams below the floor and 10 teams with a 26 man roster payroll lower than the NHL salary floor.

My rule of thumb is that someone who blithely calls other people “bootlickers” online rarely has opinions worth listening to. So far, I have not seen strong evidence that this is a poor heuristic.

The correct answer is Dean Spanos

Arte. Thankfully Frank was an equally bad husband and we got out of his ownership relatively fast when all the drama started hitting the fan.

Does Ms. McCourt still have that “#1 Fan” parking space? lol

As shit as Arte is for actually winning, he has kept parking cheap, the Angels in Anaheim, beer cheap, and tickets cheap

Cap and floor please

If you mean Ohtani, it’s because the Angels were the only team that would let him be a two-way player going into the US. While it’s unfortunate that he had two unanimous MVP seasons and a runner up year go to waste in Anaheim, I think it was a necessary part of Ohtani’s path to becoming the GOAT. Plus, if you think about it, what other teams would have let him keep going two-way after his 2020 season?