Position player career cWPA leaders. After his ALCS, George Springer has helped his team win a championship more than any other position player in history.
Too bad his career is tainted by being on a team of cheaters
This isn’t even an opinion, they were caught cheating as much as any ped user, the fact people still debate this is very funny
He will always be remembered as a cheater.
I wish it was literally any other Blue Jay who hit that homer against the Mariners, unfortunately it was a reminder that cheating in baseball has no real consequences when it was enforced like it was.
Not only that, but people will actively deny the truth simply because the guy hit a home run for the team they like
What are you expecting people to do? Handwringing apologies every time the team plays?
Springer cheated, he should have been punished, they all should have been. The Astros should have had their WS taken away.
But they didn’t, and it’s almost a decade later, so… I’m just going to watch my team play baseball.
I’m just one guy but I don’t think Blue Jays fans have anything to apologize for here. The cheating didn’t happen in Toronto and now he’s on your team so of course you’re gonna be happy when he helps you succeed. Blue Jays fans shouldn’t have to answer for Astros fans’ defenses of cheating Astros.
Thank you. I haven’t ever waded into this discourse because it’s so futile, but this is really the most cogent post I’ve seen on the topic, (as well as OP’s, who you’re replying to).
What gets me fired up is the Dodgers fans acting holier than thou about Springer being on the Blue Jays and performing in the playoffs again, when they have Mookie Betts on their team who admitted to the same damned conduct, and whose team was punished in a year when the Red Sox BEAT THE DODGERS FOR THE WORLD SERIES.
I read the comments from Dodgers fans this week and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
Ok hold up, I’m sure dodger fans are annoying but there is a massive gulf between what Springer and the astros did vs what mookie and the Red Sox did. Springer is a legit cheater and the astros used real time video to cheat. Regardless of someone being on second base they used video to blatantly look at the catchers signs and tell the batter what was coming AND used it in the playoffs and would not have won without it.
The Red Sox did not and could not use their sign stealing system during the playoffs because MLB put people in their replay room. In comparison to the astros all the Red Sox we’re doing was using video to interpret the opposing teams signs used while a runner was on second, then if a team didn’t change their signs up from the previous scouting report the runner on second could read it and convey to the batter. This was only possible with a runner on second and only if a team didn’t change their signs up from game to game. I don’t know if you’ve ever played baseball before, I only played up to college, but we were trying to steal signs from second base and changing our signs up game to game in Little League when I was 12. That’s a part of baseball. Using video to read signs in real time directly from the catcher who isn’t trying to code/hide them, then immediately telling the hitter is just scumbag cheating.
Ironic how you wanna talk about denying the truth. Most baseball fans are so blinded by their Astros hatred, they fail to do any critical thinking. Why did the Astros players get immunity, why didn’t the players get suspended, and why wasn’t the title stripped? Hmm I wonder. Let’s see what actual players in the league at the time had to say:
Logan Morrison “I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs,”
Dallas Keuchel “during the course of the playoffs in `17, everybody was using multiple signs,”
Joey Votto “The idea that they (the Astros) were the only one doing something wrong just baffles me.”
Lucas Giolito “Based on everything I’ve heard, it was like all the teams that were in the postseason that year were doing the same shit”
Chris Sale “If the Astros were the only team doing it, then yeah. Give it back. Take it back. I know for a fact they weren’t,”
Steven Souza “I’m not going to get into to all that but you should know that if you think Houston was the only team with a sign stealing system you’re dead wrong.”
Chris Bassitt “…Houston was not the only team doing stuff… one team essentially got caught doing it – or was the guinea pig of doing it to clean the whole entire league up”
Josh Reddick “I was there, so theres my proof”
Kris Bryant “Absolutely not. I definitely think others were.”
Josh Donaldson “Please don’t forget if you were a Yankees/Red Sox fan, none of your guys are (Hall of Famers) because both of them got caught using Apple watches before the Astros got caught.”
Erik Kratz “I can tell you that a team that has been to the World Series often recently, we caught them doing something almost similar. The Colorado Rockies were doing the exact same thing in 2018…They used to take a Theragun and bang it on their metal bench. They were doing the exact same thing.”
Will Clark “How can I put this mildly? They got caught. All the rest of us, we didn’t get caught.”
The Astros used the garbage can banging as a signal, which afaik no other team is accused of using an audio cue this way.
If everyone else was doing it too, how were they signaling it?
It’s not the audio cue that was an issue but the fact that the Astros set up a camera in center field connected to a TV in the tunnel. Stealing signs isn’t an issue, but stealing signs using technology in real time and relaying that message instantly to the batter is cheating.
The 2018 Red Sox illegally used technology to steal signs and then runners would relay them when they were on second base. Which is why the 2018 Red Sox had a team OPS with RISP higher than any team in the previous dozen years.
And Red Sox fans claimed they decided to stop cheating in the playoffs, but they just happened to have a team batting average with RISP that was like double that of any other playoff team.
I don’t know for certain, because no one does, but starting in 2018 MLB started posting personnel in every team’s replay room during the postseason. So it possibly is true the Red Sox couldn’t utilize their relay system in the postseason that year.
I don’t know why MLB waited until 2018 to do that since they knew in 2015 that teams (Yankees and Red Sox) were using the replay room to decode signs.
The post you replied to mentions the Theragun which is an accusation that’s existed for years. And the rumors at the time suggested the Brewers and Rangers may have been using the same Theragun method.
If Manfred had the balls to do an actual league wide investigation, we would know that answer. That’s why the punishment for the Astros was so light. He knew he was punishing a team that was doing what everyone else was doing. Bud Selig at least had the balls to call in an outside investigator when steroids were the big scandal. He wasn’t afraid dig and see just how league wide it was even though he knew it would stain his own legacy.
this is always the most pathetic defense I can’t believe astros fans regularly trot out. “other teams probably were also doing the stuff we got caught for, they can’t punish us because of hypothetical other offenders!!” doesn’t make any sense
Agreed. I wouldn’t be mad if it was any of the other 8 guys in the lineup but it just had to be Springer
Fuck the cheating Astros and fuck Springer
I’ve played my fair share of baseball and I would have a bigger advantage knowing what pitch is coming than using PED’s
Doubtful, guys hit fly outs and grounders in BP all the time
I think we have enough evidence from “non cheaters” that PEDs can be a massive boost
Soto being on this list before his 27th birthday is crazy also.
Won’t be adding much to that number playing for the Mets
Braves fans don’t get into heaven FYI
Checkmate atheists
Mets fans have to live in hell on earth.
Pretty sure that’s what Philadelphia is called
We don’t die, we multiply?
It’s not necessarily a stat that you build as your career progresses. Hal Smith is there due to a bottom of the 8th go ahead HR in the 7th game of the 1960 World Series, which gave him 61.71%.
Exactly, he’s 10th all-time with a whopping 8 career postseason plate appearances
Edit: here’s the most important one:
https://youtu.be/qoisw4EjnGc?si=0UZ-lF2apDR-KKL5
Top all time
I don’t think so: players today get so many more playoff plate appearances that it’s going to skew toward recent players. I’m surprised anyone old is on the list at all.
Yeah but each PA means less for cWPA than it used to.
Doing well in the ALDS doesn’t help cWPA as much as WS would. So if anything the larger sample size is almost more impressive.
I guess. If anything, it mostly just means George Springer has played in a lot of Championship and World Series.
Yeah absolutely
2015 WC and ALDS
2017 ALDS, ALCS, WS
2018 ALDS, ALCS
2019 ALDS, ALCS, WS
2020 ALWCS, ALDS, ALCS
2022 ALWCS
2023 ALWCS
2025 ALDS, ALCS, WS (pending)
He is 5⁄6 in ALDS, and 3⁄5 in ALCS.
He only missed postseason 3 times in his career. 2021 was by only 1 game. The other 2 times he made it to the WS the next year with the same team.
Tell that to the goat Hal Smith apparently
Most impactful cWPA hit of all time, and the only reason people remember it at all is people bringing it up when talking about cWPA, which is so damn funny to me.
Can someone point me to this leaderboard? Is it just in the postseason or something? All-time list looks like this for me: https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/cwpa_bat_career.shtml
Here are some other fun George Springer stats!
But the main point is, they tried. Whether it was efficacious or not is immaterial to the fact that he was a cheater on a team of cheaters in a cheating organization, who was not punished for being caught cheating.
I also think too many people focus on the trash cans element and not on the bit where they set up an undisclosed camera feed from center field, without the knowledge of anyone in MLB to get real time signals secretly fed to anyone in the organisation.
That alone is an unfair advantage regardless of then communicating it out through trash cans and also happens to be in breach of the standard MLB copyright disclaimer about unauthorized broadcast without express written consent.
Bingo. This wasn’t your runner on second waving an arm saying “I think he’s gonna throw a slider” to his teammate. This was very literally and textbook a conspiracy to benefit the Houston Astros. Fuck their team for eternity.
Amen
Exactly. Also, I think in most cheating or unfair advantage conversations people get caught in the extremes.
Cheating is about intent, not grand effect.
If you cheat on your SATs it’s not suddenly not cheating if you only manage a 1800⁄2400. You might not take a spot from someone in Havard, but you’d be unfairly taking a spot from someone.
For some reason some people only consider it a problem when they win the race.
Specifically, Mike Bolsinger. Astros torched him in the game with the single most bangs of the entire season. The Jays demoted him and he never returned to MLB.
He later sued the Astros unsuccessfully because of the cheating.
Why does Mookie get a pass then? He was definitely on a team that tried. People always excuse it as “it wasn’t as bad” but he very much tried.
And that team was also managed by Alex Cora.
BTW, why do Astro fans ALWAYS bring up this point? Like the old saying, “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”
There are plenty of us Dodgers fans who will always remain salty at both teams, at least the Red Sox traded us Mookie as mends.
The reason for the Astros hatred. The attitude of the Astros players, franchise, ownership, and its fanbase. Never a sincere apology, just lying, silence, and smirking with straw man arguments to protect their illegitimate title. Add in the racist crap they pulled on Darvish, they just sucked. It’s too bad the commissioner only thinks the trophy is a, “Piece of metal.”
The 2017 Yankees and 2017 Red Sox also tried, along with, according to players, a bunch of other teams.
The 2018 Red Sox succeeded.
Maybe we should ban everyone from baseball who played in the 2010s, just to be safe? Wouldn’t want any cheaters around!
Damn this site is crazy, I’ve never seen it laid out like this before.
I love the absolute hate that went into creating this 😂
Fun fact: a die hard Astros fan runs that website and did all the research.
Mad respect to that person.
absolutely psychotic, huge props for sure.
It also why we get a bit annoyed at weird altuve hate, when one of us literally proved he wasnt okay with it. Anyone thinking theyre favorite player wouldn’t a least be like him is insane
You got downvoted for being right, this sub is fucking putrid.
Altuve was by no means a willing participant. What was he to do? Rat out his current team, something never done in the history of professional sports?
He only cheated a little bit so it makes it okay.
I mean dude won the MVP that season and baseball is a team sport. if guys before or after him had this advantage, even if he didn’t use it, it affected how pitchers pitched to him, it affected whether or not there were players on base when he got up to bat.
Astros had a really good hitting team that year, and who knows, they would have done really well without the banging, maybe even as well as they did with it, but we’ll never know because they did do it.
It’s amazing.
Rare Astros fan W
Tony Adams. We all have mad respect for him. I’d definitely check out the Frontline documentary about the scandal; it’s got some glaring inaccuracies, but they took the time to interview him and get his perspective which is awesome.
That’s crazy
So many bangs I feel like I’m watching a Knicks game
How many man-hours went into producing this. Holy shit
Cheating is a part of baseball’s long history. If you don’t like cheating, you don’t like baseball! /s
Oh that’s so interesting. Someone should post it on /r/dodgers
Should bang.
Shows how hard baseball is. You’d think he’d have have done much better given what this chart is showing.
The difference between someone battling 200 and 300 is only 10% of all pitches. Baseball is a game of those small margins that make all the difference.
Huh, it seems less used than I expected. Started mid July it looks like and wasn’t used every at bat after. Just some
David Freese my GOAT. Really a shame all the attention wound up having negative effects. Mental health is no joke.
It’s looking like he’s in a better spot now, is saying he might be OK accepting the Cardinals HOF nomination sometime soon.
That’s great to hear, truly.
That is good to hear.
I fucking hate that guy for 2011 but ya know, I’m glad he’s not mentally unwell anymore.
Yeah. I know he didn’t think he deserved to be in the Cardinals HoF. The thing is, we did/do. Would love to see him in the red jacket he earned one day soon.
I say simply, if he doesn’t want it he doesn’t want it. That’s fine
What happened? Genuinely asking
Bunch of issues involving depression and anxiety with alcohol mixed in. In a better spot now, thankfully.
Article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/04/20/david-freese-world-series-mvp-depression-alcohol-pirates/100703658/
Thanks. Never knew
Also probably worth adding he turned down the Cardinals HoF induction so instead they named the area of the stadium where his walkoff homer landed ‘Freese’s Landing’.
The city & team really want to honor his legacy as much as possible & he has clearly struggled with the idea of being some quasi-mythic hero.
I don’t think anyone holds it against him. It’s a remarkably human thing on both sides (that people want to celebrate him & that he doesn’t want to be celebrated).
I mean, the trash cans helped him a lot.
No one will ever convince me that they weren’t cheating in the WS.. like how does kershaw not get a single swing and miss on a breaking ball in Houston. The only pitcher that had success there was Alex wood, who was the only one that changed his signs constantly
no one should try to convince you. Manfred’s report confirmed they were cheating through the playoffs. He’d have no reason to make that up.
There was a jays fan saying otherwise but before I replied to him, he deleted it.
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Yeah now it reads like everyone is angrily agreeing with you lol
That chain of [removed] tho
I don’t think anyone sincerely believes that. You’d never cheat your way through a playoff run and then just randomly stop right before the end
It was confirmed that they did cheat in the 2017 playoffs in the investigation. Go read the report.
like how does kershaw not get a single swing and miss on a breaking ball in Houston
Evan Gattis himself said they knew every pitch that Kershaw was throwing before it left his hand
And yet we have asshat Dodger fans in the r/dodgers sub holding this against Kershaw. The whole Kershaw narrative would’ve different if not for that game and the cheating. Dodgers likely win that game and Kershaw would have been in line for world serif MVP.
But! The astros cheated and stole a World Series ring. And now newbie dodger fans are parroting the Kershaw choke narrative without having a clue of the context.
Regardless…fuck George springer and fuck the 2017 astros.
Idk why there is some narrative that the Astros didn’t cheat in the 2017 postseason. Here’s a brief excerpt from the commissioners report
“Although the Astros’ players did not attempt to hide what they were doing from Hinch or other Astros employees, they were concerned about getting caught by players from other teams. Several players told my investigators that there was a sense of “panic” in the Astros’ dugout after White Sox pitcher Danny Farquhar appeared to notice the trash can bangs. Before the game ended, a group of Astros players removed the monitor from the wall in the tunnel and hid it in an office. For the Postseason, a portable monitor was set up on a table to replace the monitor that had been affixed to the wall near the dugout.”
There’s also a screenshot floating around out there somewhere from the official Astros 2017 World Series commemorative film where you can literally SEE the table and chairs in the dugout tunnel where the live sign-stealing was happening, confirming it was there at that time.
yep some people even want him to be in the hall of fame… can you fucking believe that
He’s going to be 36 years old and he’s got 1480 hits, 293 HRs, and 42.3 bWAR. He needs 18 more bWAR just to be in the conversation and realistically needs around 28-38 more bWAR to get voted in—and this is on stats alone, not counting the trash can banging. Adrian Beltre is often cited as someone who aged well and Beltre only earned 15 bWAR after turning 36.
He’s not going in the Hall of Fame. Springer is going to become Bernie Williams with an asterisk, and Bernie Williams never got more than 9%.
The numbers aren’t there for it I think, but he’s having a career year at the plate since becoming more of a DH and now he’s got the career highlight ala Mazeroski, who got in pretty much because of his 1960 walk off homer. It’s pretty unlikely I’d say but who knows what will happen though.
People want Mookie to be a hall of famer too, of course, despite his team cheating in 2018 and attempting to in 2017.
Mookie even admits he knew the Red Sox were cheating in 2018 and did nothing to stop it.
Hal Smith with the 8 PA
Even more shocking is that 61.71% came from 1 At Bat in GAME 7 of 1960 World Series 2 outs 3 run homerun in the 8th
Highest occurring cWPA event ever, over Bill’s walk off that won the world series
Off the bench too in that game. Absolutely insane.
Has got to be up there in terms of greatest but largely overlooked play of all time. Modern comps I could think of off the top of my head would be Lance Berkman in 2011 and maybe Tony Womack in 2001.
I’m glad that even though it’s remembered a fraction as much as Mazeroski’s walk-off, it still played a crucial role in getting the WS championship, unlike some other insane moments that ultimately ended up on the losing cause (Rajai Davis)
Josh Hamilton in 2011 Game 6 would be an all time classic home run if Berkman didn’t happen
Couldn’t have not happened to a nicer guy
The Endy Chavez catch
modern comps
citing an event from 24 years ago
We’re getting dangerously close to the 00s moving into the history books like the steroid era has.
Foolish Baseball made a video on that hit that goes into cWPA
There’s a great moment in the 1960 Pirates reunion in Pittsburgh where they screened the final game and had as many of the living players in the crowd as possible.
When the Smith home run happens, the entire auditorium gives him a standing ovation and the elderly Smith slowly, humbly stands up to acknowledge the cheering
Beautiful
Right this is the clue, that got me thinking that this stat doesn’t truly measure what the title says. By measuring changes in win probability to win a championship, it gives much more credit than is due to players who are losing in a game at the end of a series.
Saw that Hal Smith earned over .61 in a single play which isn’t possible unless you’re batting while down by a few runs near the end of game 7 in the WS, with runners on base. Which many players never have the opportunity to do! Especially if they’re on a team that’s usually winning or closes out the series in less than 7 games.
Look at a hypothetical example using a player I’ll call Winning Hal Smith or WHS, in game 7 of the WS.
Batting in the top of the first, WHS hits a 2-run HR. I’ll generously say this changes the win probability for this championship game from .5 to .65, earning WHS .15 cWPA.
Then while winning 2-0 in the 3rd, he hits a 2-run double, moving his team’s win probability from .7 to .8 and giving WHS a new total of .25 cWPA.
In the 6th, he hit hits a solo HR making it 5-0. The win probability goes from .85-.9 and his cWPA is .30.
In the top of the 9th, Winning Hal Smith crushes a 3-run bomb. The score is now 8-0 and the win probability goes from .97 to .99, raising his cWPA to .32.
So after hitting three HRs and driving in all 8 runs, Winning Hal Smith has helped his team with .32wCPA, about half of what the real Hal Smith accomplished with one 3-run HR while his team was trailing. Winning Hal Smith’s team was never trailing because WHS helped his team too damn much.
Which Hal Smith helped his team win a championship more? I rest my case.
TLDR: Some stats don’t measure what they seem too. The world of statistics is an awesome place though!
But the stat is literally designed to account for the situation. Losing in the eighth of game 7 gives you a lot more opportunity to add probability to your team’s championship odds than almost any other situation. That’s what cWPA is measuring.
Helps when you cheat during your first 2-3 years in the postseason with the Astros.
I’m a diehard Jays fan but I will always cringe when our broadcasters / stats graphics revere in Springer’s postseason stats and accolades from his past.
And while I will say that there is a fair bit of stone throwing from glass houses on that issue, there is absolutely no need to bring up “Springer’s great postseason run” from 8 years ago, nor is it helpful or that fun to reminisce in moments that didn’t even help our team, let alone under the circumstances they were committed. It’s 2025. Let’s focus and be happy for us, right now.
But it’s not like Springer has asked them to bring those stats up or sing his praises from his career in Houston, it’s more a rare grievance with our own broadcast
Yeah people shouldn’t be acting like it didn’t happen cuz it certainly did. I have no hate for the Jays, except for Springer. Vlad’s awesome.
I screamed insults at my screen all night except when Vladdy was up.
I have mad respect for that guy.
That’s how I felt about the Big Dumper. He was a nerve-wracking at bat every time
I know some Jays fans feel some type of way about this situation (for good reason) but this is the correct take imo. What he’s done now should be the highlight. Let’s not rewrite history or make it seem like the early post season success was genuine.
Have the calculations been done removing 2017 and 2018?
Thank you!
He totalled 60.4% cWPA in those two years, with most of that coming the 2017 World Series, when he hit .379/.471⁄1.000 with 5 homers and 7 RBI’s and won the WS MVP award, with his biggest moments being a 2-run homer in the 11th in game 2 and a 2-run homer in th 2nd inning of game 7 to run the Astros’ lead up to 5-0.
Yeah, not like there should be a giant fucking asterisk next to his name or anything.
Here we are watching the consequence of Manfred letting them get away with it. Seattle should be in their fist world series. Instead, this fucker got to keep playing.
Helps when you are cheating.
Wonder how much of Freese’s is from Game 6 alone.
51.84%
Nah, that can’t be right. Anything other than a World Series Game 7 has a harsh fractional multiplier. Now, a World Series Game 6, World Series Game 5 (series tied at 2-2 after 4 games), or LCS Game 7 have the least harsh multiplier at ½…but that still means he’d need to have had 103.68% WPA for that game. Which, okay, the two famous plays add up to about 91%, but…huh. Actually, he did have a +11% walk earlier in the game, so even with his first two plate appearances being outs and thus having negative WPA… it’s possible that adding in defensive plays, he might’ve come close. Okay, yeah, wow, that is what it says.
Fun fact about WPA: The single highest WPA recorded in a game was 1.503 by Art Shamsky of the Cincinnati Reds in 1966. Shamsky did not start the game and the Reds didn’t win the game. He entered as a pinch-hitter with one out in the bottom of the 8th inning and the Reds down 7-6 and hit a 2-run homer to give them the lead, but the Pirates tied it 8-8 in the 9th and went up 9-8 in the top of the tenth; Shamsky came up with one out in the bottom of the tenth and hit a solo homer to tie it. The Pirates scored two more in the top of the 11th, Shamsky came up with two outs in the bottom of the 11th and tied it with another 2-run homer. The next Reds batter made the third out and they went down 1-2-3 in both the 12th and the 13th, so he didn’t get a fourth at-bat as the Pirates won 14-11 in 13 innings. Three plate appearances, three home runs, all coming when his team was trailing and either tied it or gave them the lead.
Funny you mention defensive plays wrt Freese because he made a pretty big error in game 6 that almost cost the Cardinals the WS.
But defense isn’t part of WPA/cWPA…
David Freese also had a hell of an NLCS in 2011…
seriously fuck that guy
84.5 of his 87.2 career were in the 2011 playoffs.
0.8 in the NLDS, 15.4 in the NLCS and 68.3 in the World Series.
He can no longer hurt me after 2023
Hopefully he won’t be cheating in this World Series.
Cheater
We putting cheaters on a pedestal now?
But you don’t get it, he’s reformed, he’s a Blue Jay now, and a different jersey absolves everything!
Hopefully you have never celebrated any start from Gerrit Cole. He was in the 2018 team that also cheated. He may not have needed bangs but for sure knew.
Now? You seen how many people call Bonds the GOAT?
Hope you don’t put Betts on any pedestal!
(FYI I hate the Astros, but hate the 2018 Red Sox too.)
George Springer has won one championship.
During a year he and his team cheated.
90.8***
Uh yeah is that adjusted for sign stealing?
What’s the point of a post like this when his team literally cheated to get at least some of these numbers? Seriously? It’s meaningless. As far as I’m concerned, David Freese owns this.
Wtf did Hal Smith do in those 8 plate appearances?
He’s the one who hit the go-ahead home run in the bottom of the 8th of game 7 of the WS in 1960 and is actually the biggest hit in baseball history in terms of cWPA, but it was forgotten because the Yankees tied it up in the 9th then Mazeroski hit the game winning HR
i was confused on how it could be more impactful than a walk off game 7 home run, but it makes sense considering the probability to win was much higher with the game tied in the 9th than down 1 in the 8th
It’s wild how much more impactful that hit is compared to Kendrick’s foul pole bomb heard ‘round the world. Similar situations, just a difference of 4 outs for their respective teams. We had 9 outs left after that though, while the Yankees only had 3 left to recover.
He hit the single most important postseason hit of all time according to cWPA.
From MLB : “When you see that Hal Smith’s 1960 World Series Game 7 home run was +63% cWPA added, it means that when he stepped to the plate with Pittsburgh down 7-6 in the eighth with two on and two outs, they had a 31% chance to win the Series. After his homer gave them a 9-7 lead, those odds shot up to 94% – an improvement of 63 points”
63% with one swing wtf
Biggest hit of all time as others noted but I also believe this stat is a stat you could negatively effect with more plate appearances if you’re getting out, so only having 8 PAs helps him if he would’ve had more unproductive PA,s
The Monster Freese
OK lol. This mfer used a garbage can to get this stat. Are you trolling us right now?
What are the stats with vs without trash cans
It’s easy when you cheat. ;)
Turns out knowing which pitch is coming helps!
Only needed to know half the pitches
Here is the leaderboard for pitchers
Unbelievable
Bumgarner almost singlehandedly won that 2014 WS. Dude was one of the most dominant world series pitchers ever.
Gave up 1 run in 36 world series innings for a 0.25 ERA.
Holy fucking shit
It really was beautiful watching him pitch in that World Series. A literal masterclass.
What makes this even more impressive is that Rivera got -59.67 cWPA from that game 7!
Fucking 141 postseason innings, I never realized
Well he’s a known cheater, so why would he count?
It still belongs to Freese, not some cheating rat
Now do it removing any Asstros postseason from 2017-2019
He also cheated, are we just gonna ignore that?
The absolute whitewashing of this fucking cheater is beyond abysmal.
He should have been banned from ever stepping on a field ever again, instead we get a nonstop barrage of cockstroking of this piece of shit from the media.
That’s not how you spell ‘Trash Can’ 🤔
Legit can that stat be calculated taking out the 2017-2019 astros? I bet David freese rightfully reclaims his spot has the most clutch postseason hitter of all time.
Fun fact: Joe Carter’s home run in 1993 had a 100% Championship Win Probability.
I think you’re just making a facetious comment about that at bat being awesome, so, fair and carry on.
But in case anyone is curious, Carter’s homer wasn’t actually that high of a championship leverage event, maybe surprisingly.
First, it was game 6, so even if his team lost, they had a lot of remaining championship equity. It means the swing, even if it took the game from near 0% win expectancy to 100% win expectancy, would have only been on the order of ~half a championship.
Second, there was one out and 2 men on in a 1 run game. So again, the delta from prior win expectancy to the 100% post HR win expectancy isn’t close to 100%.
But honesty not trying to rain on the Carter parade, by all means celebrate the greatness.
Is there a filter here where we can remove how much trashcans helped him get this number?
Some stupid arbitrary stat to make Springer look good. Guy is a POS cheater.
David Freese still gives me nightmares.
Where is the asterisk for springer? Known cheater and disgrace to the game
And all he needed was a trash can.
Fuck this cheating asshole.
Cheater.
I would rather admire more about Bonds and Arod stats at least their performance were entertaining.
Trash can did most of that work
Some baseball fans are so hypocritical when it comes to their stances on cheating. The goal post is always shifting and many will be totally ok with cheating based on their own subjective views of severity. Mookie Betts was involved in a less sophisticated cheating scandal so he is absolved right?
I could understand the obsessive Springer hate if he was the mastermind behind the whole plot with the Astro’s but he wasn’t. Clearly the Astros 2017 title deserves an asterisk and so does many other teams accomplishments that were doing some form of cheating during that time as well.
Tom Brady isn’t demonized for the 2 major cheating scandals he was involved in with the Patriots because at the end of the day, regardless of the cheating, he proved he is one of the greatest to ever play the sport (I’m not a Patriots fan btw).
If Springer only found success via cheating, then yes he is not worthy of any praise whatsoever, but that is not reality. The dude is great and he has proven it so.
Once a cheater, always a cheater, is just narrow minded bullshit that people latch on to because they can’t comprehend the nuances of being human and have an inability to understand that people can change and be redeemed.
I find it difficult looking at Springer’s playoff stats without thinking of the cheating scandal. Every time the broadcasters post how many home runs he’s hit in his playoff career, my mind goes straight to the trashcans, so it’s hard to take his stats seriously.
Bang bang cheater cheater
How much were those stats inflated by postseason cheating? He should be lumped in with the PED users.
It’s repulsive when you realize he’s a cheater. Take is stats away from those years and show us what the stats look like
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A cheater is at the top of the stats? Color me surprised.
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Now let’s see where the trash cans rank on this list
Poor Lance, if he hadn’t gotten injured in 2012 I think he manages to get some counting numbers to be a good HoF candidate.
That’s terrible
David Freese 😡
Tony Womack’s last PA in 2001 was about 38% cWPA alone so I wondered where he was on this list… turns out just 34%. He had a negative cWPA in his 4 other playoff years
Good time as any to say fuck David Freese.
should have an asterisk
Guys a fuckin cheater and I just want everybody here to know that is why he was booed, not because he was okay after being hit. Saw a lot of flack on this sub trying to compare Mariners fans to an average Philly Eagles fan when they win lol, and that just wasn’t right
