Coach Ty Lue: “When I was coming up, guys cried about not playing enough minutes. Now guys cry about playing”
Magic was discussing load management on Byron Scott’s podcast and how it hurts the game. He mentions that players (top players) wanted to be in every game. “You want to play for your guys and with your guys.” He also talked about the All Star game and how players should at least give like 75-80 percent effort, and participate in the rest of the weekend like the top players did before. “That’s what made everyone want to tune in and even made players want to watch too or even come to the game or show up to the all star weekend.”
He’s right. Who wants to tune In to watch these players that make generational wealth give like 20% effort in the biggest weekend supposedly for “fans”?
Yeah the All Star game itself sucks these days but the rest of the weekend treats viewers to ads, Kevin Hart, ads, a prop-centric dunk contest scored purely on vibes, and ads. And Kevin Hart.
it cannot be overstated how awful and cringe the nba production manages to be for the all star weekend. it’s like they found the marketing executives with the least amount of basketball background and put them in charge of every decision.
Only going to get worse now that abc and nbc are the candidates for televising games. Probably going to start having ads play during free throws in a corner box.
Pacers local broadcast already does that, so I’m shocked ABC doesn’t.
Your comment is still underselling the amount of ads and Kevin Hart we got lol
Don’t forget Mr. Beast…
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I still dunno what is so special about Mr. Beast
…and ads that feature Kevin Hart!
Tie a salary dock/bonus to performance and see these guys play like the world was ending.
Performance based incentives fundamentally do not work in team sports. You are attaching a personal benchmark to a team activity which is a surefire way to get a whole roster of guys only playing for themselves instead of their teammates.
Do some Disney movie shit. If Shai is late to practice, JDub gets fined 20k. If JDub is late, Chet gets fined 20k etc etc lol.
But in all seriousness, it needs to be games played, team wins, teammate grade, attendance, punctuality, effort in practice.
Lots of companies use KPI’s, it’s not a bad structure. Just attaching the KPI to PPG is a shortsighted and fallacious way to get there that creates more problems than it solves
25% of your contract
Maaan if the NBA wanted to truly make it about the fans and the players they should book an NBA player(s) for the MC/comedian Kevin Hart role and the Inside the NBA commentating roles. If the weekend is truly about them include the players and put them front and center. Doesn’t even have to be an All-Star guy
Blake Griffin seems to crossover for nba + comedy
he’s had stand up gigs at places like the Laugh Factory
I love this idea. I wonder if the players have too much pride to be part of the show if they aren’t selected to the game.
I’m sure there are plenty of role players who know they are role players who’d be down to do this. You likely won’t get fringe all stars/snubs but I’d be shocked if you couldn’t find a few team clowns in the league who’d love to do it lol.
Blake Griffin would have been all over this. Heck, even now he’d be abetter and more relavant choice than whatever Z-listers they get to show up for Fri nights
True. It’s actually a way for some end of the bench guys to get some more name recognition.
It’d be fun to have a different player color commentate each quarter. Or have them do some sideline interviews.
I’ve seen better dunks by randos on dunkademics on IG
Pretty soon players will get paid a MILLION dollars a game to load manage.
Median family with 2 parents and a kid earns around 90k a year as a household. And a player is gonna get like a decade of their family’s salary each game.
The NBA is built on some weird financial foundations.
Jaylen Brown is one of a few guys that doesn’t load manage, not sure why you went at him out of nowhere
I want to be clear on something
I am not asking for Jalen Brown or any other NBA player to play injured. I don’t care how much he makes or how valuable he is to his team or my entertainment
I DO FIND IT UNACCEPTABLE for players to play Wednesday and sit Thursday for Load Management or in the name of Injury Management for an old injury or supposedly trying to prevent a new one
Load and Injury management at various points during the season did NOTHING for Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garland, Damion Lillard, Jason Tatum, Tyrese Haliburton or Steph Curry at playoff time
It did nothing for Giannis and various others in the 2024 playoffs
The analytical folks are selling basketball fans bull crap that REST is the first thing necessary to win at a high level
That’s BULL
Just because those players got injured while load managing doesn’t mean they wouldnt also get more injured if they hadnt load managed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBATalk/s/F8KwHdaVTK
Sure these clips could be cherry picked, the lows will still be the same if you’re watching a injured hornets team play in April. But you absolutely just will not find a 90s or 2000s nba team that can match the highs of what is being played today
Well you have to make the regular season count. Lots of those players had great regular seasons, but what did it mean for the playoffs? Nothing. The NBA has to do something to make things matter more during the season. Else why go 200% all out for games that barely mean anything
No no he actually plays through injuries, my bad. That was unfair
He’s the first guy to earn 80m a season though.
I don’t follow salaries too closely, but I’d be absolutely floored if Jaylen Brown was on a $6.5 billion/year contract.
He’s a finals MVP. Give him that 6.5 billion/year contract Boston!
50⁄50 partnership..and business is booming…..
Terrible experience for viewers (impossible to view). Worse experience in person.
Gambling is the only think making it financially profitable for the media rights I feel.
NBA players are workers at the end of the day. They’re generating that value. In fact, they’re generating far more value and half of it just gets taken by the owners who aren’t working to generate the league’s revenue.
They are entertainers and paid like entertainment
The owners made the initial investment though, exactly how asset ownership works.
If I hold $1000 of Apple stock, I don’t worry for Apple. apple employees slog hard and help my stock price go up, enriching me.
It’s a product of rings culture. Why try hard in the all star game or play big minutes in the regular season when all that matters to fans and analysts is who’s got the beat damn resume, as if everyone’s applying for a job at the goat office
It’s more just a product of being paid so much. It’s the same in other sports as well
Ring culture always existed. Back then thought players wanted the extra cash and visibility. Now not so much.
If the Dunk Contest for example awarded $8-10m, or some other large financial incentive, you’ll get high profile players signing up again
It’s more just a product of being paid so much
This. There is just too much money on the line for players to risk injury on a meaningless game. 15 years ago the difference from being injured or not could cost you 5 mil a season (which during a 4 season contract could ammount to 20 mil). As an example, when Steph got injured and signed his 2nd contract, he locked in for 11 mil a season, meawhile, Harden when he blew up with the Rockets, got paid around 15.5 mil a season. Although that is a lot of money for the avrg Joe, and even accounting to like 50% inflation during the period, that is still 20-30 mil ovrl left on the table. Nowadays, if a guy gets injured, that can be the difference between a Jalen Green contract (100 mil) vs a Evan Mobley contract (250 mil), and that’s way too much money to risk it.
It’s all the same as generational wealth tho. 20 mil is like generational wealth two decades ago.
The fact this has so many upvotes is hilarious
Ring culture is nothing today like it was 30 plus years ago, social media and hater culture popularized by the 24⁄7 sports media and podcasters and talk shows has made it completely different than it was
Ring culture definitely didn’t always exist, not in the form it does now. If a player leads his team to three conference finals and two NBA finals, but never wins a title, fans and media will, with a straight face, say “That player never won shit, he’s a loser.” That wasn’t around in the 90s and early 2000s.
Make the all star appearance a million and the victory 10 million and you’d see a lot of effort
Shouldn’t have to do that they should understand how the all star game helps inflate the popularity of the league and thus their bloated salaries
No you wouldn’t lol.
This is where baseball wipes the floor with the other two big leagues. Everyone is out there throwing and swinging as hard as possible.
Byron Scott was discussing Fellatio in a high school janitor’s closet
I’m not trying to pile on him, I’m not a full blown Lebron hater (though I will toss a jab here and there). But I think this is totally on guys like Lebron and his lack of taking it seriously. When the TOP guy doesn’t care, the rest won’t. When Jordan was there, no one wanted to look “weak” or like he wasn’t at least half trying in front of Jordan. Same with Kobe. THEY cared so everyone else HAD to. The top guys now (and to be fair, not just LeBron) don’t care, so the younger kids don’t.
And even the ones that do like Wemby, us hardcore fans love that effort, but he got clowned by a few people online (in our “trying is cringe” culture) and I bet you a lot of his fellow NBA players looked at him the same way you may look at a new worker trying too hard, “Hey man, you’re making the rest of us look bad. Chill.” Cept sorry, yall making millions, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask you guys to half way try during all star break playing a children’s game.
Spurs invented load management bruh
What does that have to do with not trying in the All Star game?
Kobe was like 10 - 5 in the all star games he played and if we’re being real 90% of all the great moments in All-Star games of the past 2 decades involved him somehow. He was such a tryhard hahaha (I mean that in the most complimentary way possible)
LeBron is one of the players who actually puts in the effort for all star games. Even recently in the 2023 all star LeBron blocked SGA’s layup & SGA (at least jokingly) wasn’t too happy about it.
I hated this tournament format thing because it easily prevents some other player, likely a young one, from asserting themselves heavily to showcase they want to play hard because you could end up only playing a couple minutes. I wished we had the normal format, with how he played it would’ve been cool to see Wemby play longer & potentially be in the running for all star MVP depending on whoever his other teammates are.
What’s the big deal if LeBron missed the recent one, he’s 40 & people always complain that other younger stars aren’t talked about enough in comparison. I guess you could have wanted a slot be used for a replacement, but his team won pretty comfortably without him, so it’s not like the talent became lopsided
Biggest drop offs in performances is guys like Jokic & Luka who thrive in making successful plays in difficult situations, but it’s unoptimized when they are playing with max spacing & defenders that aren’t going to double them up.
nah Lebron has always been one of the lackers in All-Star. I still remember Kobe clowning on him passing up the gamewinning shot
or how he never participated in Dunk Contest despite putting his name into it cause he’s too scared for his image
I always thought it was more he wanted to keep his knees for longer.
The reason people wanted a replacement for Bron wasn’t because they cared about his team winning or losing. They felt that it was selfish of him to deny that spot from someone else who could have participated. It could have been used to promote a rising star but we didn’t get that chance.
The best all start game was Kobe going full-go and blocking LeBron. It made all the players care at least a little bit about the game
Guys having shorter careers probably actually helps the game too. There’s plenty of top talent but the NBA is still promoting the old guys
I mean, of the three old guys they are promoting, one is worst a top 2 player of all time and maybe the GOAT, one is arguably top 10 and the greatest shooter ever, and one is a top 20 and one of the most surreal scorers ever. All three still play like they just turned 30
No the old guys are the popular ones because of the fans
If the younger stars like Ant and Jokic were more popular than LeBron and Curry they’d be the ones always talked about and shown in the promos
While I completely agree, I don’t think I can put 100% of the blame on the players. Ring culture has made it so that a lot of these guys will sit a regular season game with a nagging ailment if it means they’ll have a shot at a healthy playoff run. If not they’ll get crucified by the media, and sports media is a lot more omnipresent and relevant today than it was back in Magic’s day. Guys like James Harden, Paul George, Donovan Mitchell, will earn so many ‘points’ with the media by winning a championship, so in their eyes what’s 10-12 games out of 82?
Guys like James Harden, Paul George, Donovan Mitchell, will earn so many ‘points’ with the media by winning a championship, so in their eyes what’s 10-12 games out of 82?
Funny that you put his name in there when Harden is actually a player that won’t sit out even if he should
Everything is an overuse injury now. Before the aau circuits, players played different sports during the year and were effectively cross training without knowing it. This built strength and dexterity, but more importantly it gave their bodies a rest from repetitive movements. Anyone who has ever had a bad case tendinitis will tell you how debilitating overuse injuries are. Now your body has to compensate, and then boom, a real devastating injury happens. It’s all a chain reaction in the body.
This is why cross country nerds were the most frequently injured people I knew.
This tracks. A lot of the varsity guys always seemed banged up, but the dudes in the slack pack were just fine all season.
Tracks 😏
Tracks into Spring
Former cross country runner who now wears a knee brace. Can confirm this fact.
This is true. Just did 1 year of PT to fix my 12 year old knee problems from XC.
Pretty much, we’ve known this forever. It’s why we have names like ‘Golfers Elbow,’ ‘Tennis Elbow,’ and ‘Painters shoulder.’
We just saw at least 3 Achilles tear/ruptures effect this last post-season
There’s more games in a season and post season now (since they’re all 7 game series now)
And players make more money and can generate their own exposure w social media these days
Man as a former collegiate tennis player, tennis elbow fucking sucks. Shit hurts so bad and you can’t play through it at all.
The increase in the number of games is marginal - the issue is that the # of games has stayed consistent while the style of play has become more and more demanding. The way the game is played now is so much tougher than years past and you cannot realistically expect most players to hold up for 82 games and play hard in an All-Star game. That’s why what SGA has done the last 2 years is remarkable - 75 and 76 games played plus playoff runs. Ditto for Jokic’s durability.
I’m dealing with some patellar tendinitis right now and I took a week off and the first game I played it was bugging me again. Bothers me when I squat and do other leg workouts. I want to take a month off but I have men’s league games and I also live for playing ball so taking that much time would be so tough. But if I don’t I’ll have this forever.
gotta take 6 weeks off my boy, that’s what i had to do and i was in college, 20 years old
Yeah for sure I’ve had this before and it only got better when I just happened to not play ball for a couple months
In addition to the other advice, get you a knee strap too. They make ones specifically for patellar tendinitis that aren’t super bulky or invasive, and that helped with mine when I got it. Def take some time and do some PT too though, don’t let this turn into a forever problem
Physical therapy. Just shutting it down won’t solve the problem. Gotta strengthen the muscles around it.
One thing I love about Trae, he was clearly injured throughout the year and gave us 76 games. Despite being one of the most physically diminutive guys in the league, he’s usually out there
Won’t be worth it if something really bad happens to him and then boom he can’t no longer play at his level.
And the Hawks were one of the very few teams where it makes a difference, they needed every one of Trae’s games to get the 7⁄8-seed advantage in the play-in. If Trae was on the Celtics in the late stretches of the season when they’re 10 games ahead of the 3rd seed, what benefit does playing him slightly hobbled provide?
I mean, that’s thinking pretty short-term. They knew they were gonna get smoked in the first round regardless.
Long-term they need Trae to continue playing at an elite level for years to come to:
Bring in ticket sales and hope they can put together a good roster in the next few years
Keep his value up if they decide to rebuild and trade him
“But.. The thing now.. Guys my age: we can’t walk.” 🤣🤣🤣
That’s the thing
Doctor: “Grant hill your ankle is fucked my dude”
Grant hill: “fuck that im playing”
*2000 season finishes
Grant hill: whoops ill never be an all nba player again🤭
This isnt even close to what happened. Hill did not know how bad it was because it was misdiagnosed.
Not true. I watching grant hill in person speak and he said that it was his fault because he should have listened to doctors.
“I think the one thing I should’ve done was I would have listened to my body. I didn’t listen, didn’t trust my instincts, didn’t trust what my body was telling me, I was listening to the so-called experts, and it really derailed what had a chance to be a really special career and a real special trajectory from my first six years in the NBA,”
you’re lying
He’s telling the truth. I was there too
can confirm, I was the microphone
I was there as well. He said that it was his fault because he should have listened to doctors.
When he was playing here I was lucky enough to bump into him and I asked him another his ankle injury, specifically about this injury and he said (and I’ll never forget this) “who the fuck are you? How did you get into the bathroom?”
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He played 57 games in total in 4 years with the magic after the injury. Half of that he was out because of an entirely separate injury that had nothing to do with his ankle. People gotta stop making shit up
Well given that it wasnt with the Magic that the fuck up with his injury happened, I’m gonna say that you arent correctly aware of what happened.
Blake Griffin is a better example than Hill here. Bro sacrificed himself to get the Pistons to the playoffs
No that wasn’t the issue it was sacrificing himself to play one game during the sweep when they had no chance. He should’ve been ofs
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Gross.
Ding fucking ding
Its a different age now. For those who play too much, it overwhelms their knees and that’s how you get 3 achiles tears in one playoff run
Totally agree.
It’s weird though- when I watch old games with Iverson, Jordan, Kobe etc… it really Seems like they try harder every game and are more aggressive/physical. So I don’t really get why what you are saying is true- but I for sure believe it. Like, are they just faster and cutting more and jumping higher? More actions a minute I’m guessing?
More actions a minute because the game is faster, but the bigger thing is that some of these rookies are coming in with wayyyy more mileage than back then. It’s gotten to the point where some of these players are growing up playing basketball year round between their school, AAU, and camps.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking as well.
Maybe the first time a Cavs fan and Warriors fan can agree 🤫
You got it. More actions a minute, more quick twitch start stop movements, and AAU overkill building up over time.
It damages those knees and I understand people getting tired of load management, but without it you see whats happening to these guys. The alternative is worse people gotta realize that.
achilles tears aren’t related to knees lol
they can be related to calf injuries which at least 2 of those 3 players were dealing with. but it’s very typically an idiosyncratic injury - you can check out the achilles rupture sub to find that almost none of the people in it are hardcore athletes
there’s also not more “actions a minute” or whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean, this era isn’t even the highest pace era
I think they’re talking about ACL in the knees
Yeah I remember all the possessions where it was basically a two man game on one end with everyone else standing around then an iso post up on the other followed by another iso drive, etc. You could easily take plays off because you weren’t involved at all in the action. If you look now at how teams swing the ball around trying to find the open man and then a pick here a bump there and as defenders you’re running end to end fighting through screen after screen to stay in front of your man or cover the shooter. It’s easy to see how there’s far more wear and tear in today’s game even if the 80’s and 90’s were far more physical.
Being aggressive or physical will bruise you up, but it won’t put stress on your Achilles like constant cutting and stuff will
Lateral movement is the real killer of the body and there is far, far more today then there was in previous eras. Guys also have to cover more of the court with the 3pt shooting. Imagine if a sport increased the size of court/field that effectively what happened with the boom in outside shooting. Plus there are more possession today since pace is emphasized, especially compared to the 90s which was one of the slowest eras ever.
Put that all together and you have much more strain on the body then there ever was in previous eras
A good comparison would be the low impact post game of someone like Tim Duncan and that era is much easier on your body. Where as the new era guys are pushing their knees and legs on such dynamic moves constantly. Derrick rose as an extreme example
Play designs, off ball pick settings, switching are also just simply way more complex than before into of that
Which games you’re watching is also a factor. We have this golden image of the past greats that they never slacked but even they had off or lazy nights. People will be comparing Hardwood Classics to a random Tuesday game
Check those games again. The amount of movement it’s miniscule compared with today’s game.
The game itself just seemed more physical back then
Nowadays, rule changes explicitly to give offense a bigger advantage bc scoring generates more views for the NBA
Must be all the avocados.
There is also a lot more movement on defense now due to having more 3 point shooters on the floor. Dellavedova guarding Steph with 100% effort in the finals resulted in him having to get an IV due to dehydration. Four flat isolation plays were more common in the 90s due to illegal defense rules, which often resulted in eight players standing around at the end of the shot clock.
The solution is insanely obvious but Joe one would agree to it and that’s just reduce the number of games
But Hali halis minutes were down including postseason
Dirk can’t play soccer with his kids because of his knees
There are still plenty of guys complaining about not enough minutes. The superstars playing 35+minutes per game were never saying “I should just play 48 coach!”
The guys saying they should be playing more are still there. Jonathan Kuminga is right there.
The level of player complaining about not getting super star minutes is always there, its fucking stupid to say its not.
Ai and other people wanted to play the whole game . Plenty of stars were like that
Ai and “other’s” isnt exactly a ton of examples.
There are still players like that today who dont want to be taken out. But there are coaches, medical staff and decades worth of intel saying that it isnt sustainable over a full season.
Paul George probably. For some reason I can vividly picture him in tears.
Well have you seen their AAU mins growing up? Can’t blame them when they finally get paid to be professionals they want to protect their bodies more.
All the older generation does is complain about how the younger generation complains about everything. Its such a tired take.
Yeah but like…Lue is right lol
edit Why are you booing me I’m right.
I’ll add as well, Lue isn’t your generic retired player whining for attention; he’s an active head coach and one that seems pretty well respected around the league at that. I don’t know if that means he’s right or not but he’s actively interacting with this generation on a day-to-day basis and he’s probably not saying this without concrete examples in mind.
Yea its not like we have never heard of a young player in today’s NBA complaining about not getting a big enough role with the team… come on now.
He’s not. Players complain about not getting enough playing time all the time.
Because you and Ty Lue are not right see Kuminga I bet he’s crying about playing too many minutes.
Except that fans don’t seem to understand why. NBA players run significantly more miles than they did 2 decades ago. Modern defenses are a lot harder on the body. What we see is the NBA body breaking down a lot more. If you jogged at your local rec center and played 3 full games. Then watched a guy actually sprinting for 2 full games and saying the third would be too much, you would understand the difference. Instead fans either don’t understand this or choose to ignore it.
And it’s not hard to just get from a layman’s perspective. Guys are working out more than they did in the past. They have a ton of more knowledge and understanding of diets and exercise and strength training. But they are more injured. It should be pretty easy to understand that their bodies are being asked to do a lot more. Or I guess you think humans are devolving and bodies are worse today in like a single generation of humans. Which would be pretty moronic for anyone that has even the slightest understanding of evolution.
don’t they only run like 15% more? and practice a lot less during the season. between advancements in medicine and recovery, better travel and scheduling etc it seems like they have a lot of things that have skewed in their favor as well.
If you believe that, explain why they are injured at a higher rate. And why are you acting like 15% of miles is nothing. And you ignored how much harder they are moving. Full sprints to cover a moving ball. Go watch tape of Lue standing in the corner while Kobe held the ball and then made a move after having it for 7 seconds. Again if you think modern defense is only “15%” harder on the body, explain why they are breaking down more. Because the human body hasn’t made any big changes. And the players have more understanding of all these injury related things. So they SHOULD be getting injured less. Explain it.
Practice less schedule is more spaced out … for some reason fans will find the need to try and excuse why players don’t play
Then why are soft tissue injuries way up?
We just went through a playoffs where 3 different all-stars tore their achilles tendon. This is an injury that used to happen to fewer than 2 players on average per season.
He literally complained that their own generation complained too
His generation’s complaint: “my biggest flaws are that I work too hard and my dick is too big”
Obviously not the same complaints
The Michael Porter Jr generation
I can’t wait to do it to the generation younger than me. They deserve it for not knowing what it’s like to take blame for everything.
But it is the most valid complaint of them all
And all fans do on the internet is act like they know more than someone with direct knowledge. You have no grounds to put such a dismissive comment when he’s giving his highly informed perspective.
Log off then
Yeah it’s the cycle of life . When I was young I thought my gen was the smartest of all time. It’s inevitable
But…Lue is literally a fucking coach in the NBA lol, so yeah he can complain, wtf?
After the post of a 90s bulls game it was clear how much slower the game was. They say there’s no defense but in comparison the modern game looks like you really have to work for your points. Points are scored in the first 7 seconds so there’s not really time to relax. For 82 games that’s going to wear anyone down especially if you have high usage. Unless you have an insane engine like LeBron and also able to pace yourself no one is lasting the whole season.
It is faster because defense has been gutted. Points are far easier to come by now. Luka said it best when he said it was harder to score in Europe. It isn’t because those players are better, obviously.
Yeah core principles of modern basketball are “if we had one more shot and 1% better shooting percentage than our opoonents, we win 100% of games” so the focus is on two things shooting more than your opponent and shooting better than them.
That quickly becomes a two way battle of shooting (mostly 3pts) and transition basketball (aiming to score in as short amount of time as possible)
If you can’t outshoot the opponent try to outrun them in transition. And this seems to be the most efficient way of winning, so this is modern basketball.
Defense doesn’t have to be relevant in these principles if both of them are executed well. That’s why most of teams focus on offense and that’s why the whole shape of NBA is as it is today.
This might sound controversial but i do think that 2025 Indiana Pacers could go blow for blow with any team that won championship prior to the 2010. The basketball evolved so much and they are q perfect example of it.
They have like 10 guys that can get hot as hell, and they never need more than 7 seconds to get a look. You might say that any team can get hot and that is true, but Pacers have shown that they tend to be hot more than not for multiple seasons now. And they play cutting edge modern basketball where all 5 guys can shoot, and they run their hearts out every game.
Defense hasn’t been gutted, on the opposite defensive scheme are more evolved than before and require players to move much more with more help defenses and close outs. In comparison defenses before were much more static.
Go watch back some games in the 90s and you won’t find anything like that for example:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ui0pgZFTLBE
Its cause the 3pt line is shorter,court is smaller,so there is a lot less space to cover,and theres no 3 seconds in the paint.
Its the same principle as back then,when no one could shoot,so everything was congested,and it looked like better defense.Players today have to cover 2x the space.The offense back then was based on posting up a bunch of times,cause of illegal defense.You had non shooters space the court,cause you couldnt double like today.And its faster,cause the game moved away from postups,cause theres more efficient offenses,cause everyone is more skilled,and can shoot and dribble.
Watch a game from the 90s.The difference is shocking
Knicks whole starting 5 did it while averaging 35+ minutes
games now also have tons of extra delays, killing pace and giving guys dead time to rest with challenges and reviews
Thaaaats why KD’s, Dame’s, JT’s and Tyrese’s Achilles exploded 🤯Having calf strains/tightness and playing through it because these cats need whining about having to play, I understand it now
We just saw Tyrese Haliburton, Jayson Tatum, Damian Lillard and Kyrie Irving get season ending injuries because of this mentality. Playing back then and now is a lot more exhausting on the body. Players who force themselves to play are going to be injured even more. That’s why load management, as much as I find it annoying, for the most part I understand why it is used.
If you close your eyes, he sounds like Ron Artest.
And the new age fan defend it like it’s okay
How many what-ifs could’ve been avoided if there was load management? Grant hill was famously pegged the next one after Jordan, played through a nagging ankle injury and never played at an all-nba level again. Ralph Sampson, who could’ve been an all time player lost his career due to rushing back from arthroscopic surgery.
If kawhi wasnt load managed through the 2019 season the raptors dont win the championship and we miss one of the greatest offensive carry jobs of nba history
As long as the regular season remains 82 games, and as long as the playoffs are the only thing that matters, load management will always be a better decision than trying to tough it out
it’s not like they watch the regular season anyway. they just want to min/max their team for the playoffs
All of THIS
So if Player B misses two games in December, 3 in January and a handful in the Spring months for REST they weren’t watching anyway
Yep. As the all the other comments in this thread show.
Its crazy cause they play less, put less effort and get paid more than ever.
I dont watch anymore unless its highlights on reddit/youtube 🌚
It really does feel like some of the guys coming in are really just tryna get their bag as quick as possible then coast.
TW : Shannon Sharpe in the video
When I pay \(200 - \)400 for a ticket I want to see the best players play. If you are a fan, I’m really not sure why you would defend load management
Because none of these guys are watching regular season games. It’s really as simple as that.
I want to see the best players play. If you are a fan, I’m really not sure why you would defend load management
you want to put them through a meatgrinder so you can maximize fun at 1 game
i want them to be in the league for the next 10 years
I’m really not sure why you would defend load management
i will for the rest of my life, players will continue to load manage to take care of themselves (and in turn their team) and you’ll keep crying about it
That’s probably Tom Thibodeau’s guys he’s talking about
The no practicing thing is evident in the games. I’m still not convinced guys are more skilled now, the game has just opened up and is played
Do you hear yourself “not convinced guys are more skilled now” “game has just opened up”. The game has opened up because everybody is more skilled now. Everybody can shoot, everybody can dribble, everybody can pass. Defenses have to pick their posion and make sacrifices because players are the most skilled they have ever been.
Pretty sure rule changes and how the game is officated have had a huge part in opening up the game as well.
I’m still not convinced guys are more skilled now
What exactly makes you think players are not more skilled now ? When people say players are more skilled, they are usually talking about the average NBA player and not Star ball handlers.
No shit; look at the money they get. The fire gets put out quick.
So dumb players play a faster more intense type of basketball on the body, if you were actually watching these playoffs 3s weren’t relied upon. It was intense basketball looking for mid ranges, easy layups, each possession was literally hard fought. Why should players go that intense on a December night? So there bodies are done come playoffs? The old players were playing in a slow era of basketball
Talk that ish Lue…
“The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress.”
-Socrates (390 BC)
Aka they soft 🗣️
Teams are playing faster than ever every year. Teams no longer just walk the ball up the floor. Heightened exhaustion causes more injuries so teams now need depth in order to manage their team through 82 games compared to the old days.
That’s just reality now. Unless the nba is going to change how many games are played. Quite frankly folks just have to grow up and get over themselves.
A shot at Kawhi and maybe Harden?
Harden? You’re joking right?
Nba needs to look at basketball at the lower levels. Kids playing in what 7-10 games a week at aau level doesn’t make sense to me. How many injuries must these kids be racking up.
“You had to train your body”
Thats the problem. These guys arent conditioning. Exercising and conditioning arent the same thing. These guys can workout and post those vids all they want, but working out muscles isnt the same as conditioning the body.
Also, the reason these dudes cry so much about playing vs then, is because they getting paid big, guaranteed money either way. Dudes were rich then, but not like today, and still fighting for scraps. Playing each game was a good payday, and an All Star game payout was a highlight. Now, these guys make more during a regular reason game than they do during the All Star game, which is another reason why they dont care for it.
They barely practice in college as well
It’s ok to say soft is soft
It’s possible that people are still “crying” about not playing enough minutes.
Ty Lue is a real one. There’s a reason everyone wanted him, besides the Championship pedigree he’s a good dude and a great coach. Everyone likes him.
All I know is there is no way I would pay hundreds for a ticket without knowing for sure a player is playing (barring actual injuries).
Guys “cry” about being overused and ruining their health and careers, everyone wants to play
Stop going to games. Use your wallet as a voice.
Ty Lue played 12.5mpg his rookie year. He needed the practice.
Makes sense why the NBA is whacks 90% of the season
They get too much too fast. If there was a penalty like your salary drops when you sit maybe they’d stop.
People argued me down that they needed to rest more this season.. I kept saying playing keeps them in shape which can reduce injuries. Almost all the dudes that did heavy load management got injured.
Did guys play as much AAU basketball as they do now when he was coming up?
Yet, Klutch Media, LeBron, and some superstars like KD will have you believe that the media and the fans are the problem. Two things can be true at the same time.
Yes, the media needs to do better in general. There is little actual analysis of basketball and just bad takes for the sake of controversy. Like Michelle Obama said, it’s like Real Basketball wives out there. That being said, fans are reacting to the players load managing and not taking the game seriously. Players today are more enamored with the lifestyle associated with being an NBA player than they are the game itself. Which is sad.
You never had to have Jerry West or Bill Russell come give a pep talk to players in the 90s in order to give a damn about the all star game. No one is expecting game 6 of the NBA finals intensity but there has to be a middle ground between that and whatever farce we’ve been getting for the past couple of years.
I wanted to play every single day growing up because I loved basketball so much. It was fun and nothing was better to me. I truly think some of these guys dont love basketball and its sad. It could be a generational thing too. I’m not sure. I just can’t fathom getting paid millions to play your favorite sport and you can’t be bothered to play. There needs to be a financial penalty to it. Contracts should be game based. You dont play you don’t get paid.
“They are, yo know, what we use to call “Bitches”.
Because video games. /S
This is what happens when players run the league.
Coach Tylil…. Please teach me baskutball ok…sir please💪…I from kerala and i am rising star…. beat many people….sir i will become yur disciple👌…please boss…
When I was young we’d make out in the court now the players only want to bang.