Another cheap death
Have you thought of investing into any form of defense?
Maxed my res and have armor even though it’s useless. I’ve been grinding to get ES armor. I have almost 2K health though 🫠
2k health is no where near enough for endgame content if you don’t also have 4k+ ES on top
You almost have half of an acceptable life pool
pray tell, how is someone supposed to get to 4k life?
A high tier life roll is pretty much mandatory on all your gear
As someone who has life rolls on most of her gear… What
You may have some low life rolls on some gear and not realize it. You can get really high life with life+hybrid life prefixes, life on rings def helps as well. 4k+ is very attainable in trade league(though maybe harder if starting fresh in an old league), Idk about SSF, though.
You can check the tiers and what mods are on your items with… Alt? I’m not 100% sure what the key is for PC, but basically the compare/show full descriptions key.
I hope this helps
Upon giving it another look, apparently my belt doesn’t have a life roll like i thought it did.
My rings have 101, and 106 to life, amulet gives 111, shield gives 150. (i could get 54 more life if i got perfect divine rolls on those 4 gear pieces.
I run the Morior Invictus Armor set, with the Modifier that gives 40 life per socket filled with 4 sockets on it. Out of 8 non-weapon sockets, 5 are dedicated to getting my res’s up to just shy of 75% each. and the last three are iron runes.
I’ll get a better belt as soon as I can.
I could swap out a couple of iron runes but i worry that won’t really accomplish much.
… and if you want me to not use this armor set, i’d sooner stop playing post game and just wait for 0.3 in a month.
Yup I’m waiting for 0.3, myself. Already did everything I wanted to and more with several characters much earlier in the league. Life for sure needs a buff though, even with 4-6k life+defenses it still just isn’t as efficient as pure ES or life/mana splits and that’s a real problem.
Life is rough to get without some really good rolls. It seems all my toons are always looking for more life.
My titan has almost 4k, and rarely dies. I play windancer with totems for bosses. I haven’t been 1 shot in a while, but can still die under the right conditions.
Honestly not sure why you get downvotes. I just made a custom warrior in POB with average T1 rolls on all gear slots with +600 strength and it showed like 2.6k hp. It’s probably missing some life buffs from the campaign but even with that it’s going to be hard to scale that to 4k Hp and that’s why everyone and their dog goes ES.
Brother I’ve seen titans get 6k+ HP, 2.6k HP on a STR character is a joke. Also STR characters have armor
This is an EV based character that apparently couldn’t dodge a single projectile and also has 1.9k hp, EV characters should be hitting 3k hp with proper rolls
I have 3,4k hp on kitava and can’t die unless I eat like a pack of volatiles. Hitting hard cap on res, having conversions and adding other defenses is much more survivability than maxing out hp. Imo about 2k is rather fine in early endgame but not with movement like OP’s. Literally nothing would’ve happened if he countinued to run instead of dancing in place. Or he could’ve stood behind tree if he wanted to camp ranged mobs.
I got to 18k life in my lifestacker testing pretty easily
Life rolls on all your gear, wear a shield for one more life roll, stack tons of strength and if possible something from your ascendancy like Titans 15% more life or more & better jewelery from Ritualist.
I have 85% res and a 18k ES pool and still die occasionally to mega juiced BS. Is what it is.
My current Chaos Damage lich build has me capped on res, with almost 40% chaos res, and about 8600 ES and 1600 Life. More effective health pool would keep this from happening as often. I still occasionally die to something I’ve failed to pay attention to, but it happens once in a very blue moon.
Why not just buy armor with life on it? It’s dirt cheap unless you’re trying to do ssf. Like literally people are giving away stuff
I can do T4 everything (including delirium) with a slow slam warrior build with only 2600 ish life. BUT I am a smith of kitava with 90 all res (75 chaos). I purely use armor (don’t have a ton though. Under 2k will be dangerous even with the extreme defenses from smith.
You seem to misunderstand the importance of am effective health pool on top of max res. You need at least double that hp at endgame.
Interesting. Now let’s see defences tab
From the screen it looks like OP went “Defenses? Who needs those.. max res is all i need”
Defenses from what? Everything is dead lol
Including OP
Life is cheap, death is free
Told my little Pollyanna There’s a place for you and me We’ll go down to Transverse City Life is cheap, and death is free Past the condensation silos Past the all-night trauma stand We’ll be there before tomorrow Pollyanna, take my hand
- “Transverse City”, Warren Zeevon
Hah, I was actually thinking of smth else when I posted. But thanks for sharing!
https://open.spotify.com/album/1QCBbMQEDhiasv1yIgbUDs?si=1MSqbqAxRaWs51ffTix9ew
Nah, I don’t believe you maxed your resistances either. Armor is basically useless, and you have no energy shield. This isn’t a cheap death, it’s the game teaching you a lesson
So the comment section isnt going as you planned lmao
“The games not broken. You are.” Lol I come here looking for insight (usually) only to get shit on for being a causal
You did title this “Another cheap death”, which does not indicate a willingness to learn.
Im sure “help, what am I doing wrong” would have gotten you a warmer response.
I’ve leveled every class except monk and ranger to 80 or higher. No matter how much health or ES or armor I have there are still enemies that one shot me from off screen or just hold me in place until I’m dead. Love the game and most of its systems. But if it has to hold me in place to stop me from progressing then it needs to be adjusted IMO
The fact that you tried to stack armor is a huge red flag. Armor only works against small hits. Gear that has Armor and ES will only give you a small fraction of what an equivalent VileRobe/flowingRaiment/SacramentalRobe would give. Which means to survive large hits you need to avoid armor like the plague.
The problem here is likely that you are not aware how high ES is achivable. I can assure you, besides a few specific 1-shot-mechanics a well built ES character will not get 1 shot, not even close.
Flat ES on a chest is multiplied with prefix multipliers and sockets and then multiplied again with you skill-tree-passives.
Because Flat-ES is the defining factor, people use VileRobe with Flat-ES Prefix as a chest.
Oh and on the passive tree some nodes give stun threshhold based on ES. A few of these make you immune to stuns and also to freeze.
Im not saying that its good design that “armor makes you squishy”(because of what you give up to get it), or that ES, stuns and freeze is somewhat of a knowledge check. But there is some satisfaction when you managed to make these problems go away. Good luck.
I played armor evasion and I feel your frustration, now I think it’s either you play smith or ES, and I didn’t like es so I made a Smith and finally having fun again.
Yea this is stupid but I really tried playing tactician but the random one shits made it unplayable. Maybe I could do it now that I have more currency to get better gear
You blamed the game, not your lack of skill, that’s the problem. If you wanted help then post your stat screen and ask “what can I do to not die to stuff like this”
I made it to level 84 with this build. Not shitting on the game, it just needs some tuning before the official release. I just want to be able to breathe between fights and not get smoked by an enemy that’s off screen
I’m more of a PoE1 player than 2, but what about block, phys reduction, phys to elemental convert, spell suppresion, etc. There is a lot more than just meat and ES. I believe some of this is pretty different in PoE2, but pure HP/ES is never enough in PoE1. We call them “layers” of defense.
Yeah block is overlooked a lot, it’s actually very strong to have as an extra layer.
You’re snarkily responding to people even giving basic advice as simple as “you should have more health at this point”. Sounds like you’re doing most of the shitting on
Sorry to say but if that’s your only defences then it’s no wonder you’re dying so easily. You need other forms of mitigation, either in the form more max res, evasion, block, ascendancies/uniques and preferably with some form of recovery as well.
Raw hp and 75res is the bare minimum of what they expect of a character this late in the game for it to have a fighting chance and not get one shot all the time. In other words, you are expected to invest into defences if you want a consistent character that doesn’t feel like paper.
Uhm, yea, well, I see no life regeneration nor energy shield and only 2k health. Thats not really enough in the endgame.
Honestly it’s a miracle OP made it this far on 2k health lol. I’d love to see a /deaths
I’m slamming lvl 16 maps with 1800 HP and only evasion. Starting to hit a wall with a few of the T4 bosses though ..
Honestly, as someone running a nearly pure Evasion build with Hyrri’s Ire, I think Evasion would largely be fine if Acrobatics were the default state for Evasion. There’s too many things that are unevadable without it, and 75% less evasion for it is an extreme penalty that requires a significant investment to alleviate. Without it, though, Evasion doesn’t work on too many attacks and feels lackluster as a result.
You had 0 defenses and under 2k health with 0 ES.
In this thread you say you are running armour as your defense. I see no shield/buckler in your arm so your probably running that one ability that is boosted by using a one handed weapon with no offhand. Which means you probably took no armor boosting nodes in the tree and only rely on what your wearing for the armor as well as hitting resistance caps.
That’s hardly. “defense” Armor is weaker compared to ES and Evasion yes, but you might as well be wearing nothing if you never actually spec into +armor nodes.
Honestly, you’d probably have a better time if you just went full evasion. You would still die if you get hit but you’d be hit rarely. It would also go well with the fact your playing so glass cannon like.
Even if you go full ES if you never go into any ES nodes then you’d have probably 1500 ES, and with 1500 ES and 2000 Health and nothing else you’d still get bodied by most things in T15 maps anyway.
Poe and poe2 is all about layering defenses. Hitting max resistance is the baseline. It’s not really a true defensive layer unless you go a build like Smith of Kitava and go full fire resistance and spec into layering the fire resistance overtop of other resistances and damage reduction. There you can stack like 500 fire resistance, max out the fire resistance to like 95% and then reduced 50-75% damage on you as fire. Rendering you essentially a tank.
Another thing you could do is hunt down a couple of those “10% damage taken as mana before life.” Runes that were released a patch or two ago. Stuff those into a chest piece with a bunch of sockets and stack mana and you’ve essentially made your mana pool into a second health bar.
Also this wasn’t a “I got hit through EV and one shot”, this was a “I didn’t evade any of the 20 projectiles and took all of them on the face with barely any armor”
No defenses? Why are you crying. You’re choosing to run glass
Build stun resistance, more life or ES lol
This is not a cheap death, this is you having a bad build
Should always be using the omen that reduces death xp penalty by 75%. At this point in the league they are so cheap I got a stash tab full of them for this reason.
Defenses MIA, life pool MIA, character KIA
All other commenters tried to give you helpful advice but your attitude and your unwillingness to learn from mistakes are just awful. You’re unworthy of their support. So I’d be the devil’s advocate here and give you the one comment you and your kind deserve:
“GET REKT, NOOB!”
Mobs giving you a taste of you own medicine
How are you guys playing so zoomed out lol. I feel like my camera is so close and nothing I change matters
I also want to know. This looks a lot better. Is this console only thing?
I don’t even understand how you died. What happened?
Had 2k health and the wind picked up a bit and knocked him over
An IronSpearman threw a bunch of spears. OP didnt sidewalk and so he got hit by 4 spears in a row.
Bad movement, bad awareness, bad reactions and bad defenses and worst of all he clearly died to them at least twice and failed to learn a lesson twice aswell.
Looks like he got light stunned by the first one and the remaining 3 did the work effortlessly
Comments are pretty harsh though, some good tips here and there but a lot of people who expect people just entering endgame to understand what sort of build goals are needed to progress
Bro I play bloodmage bleed build and have 2400 life 1700 es with 53% evasion. On to of that my life doubles as I kill mobs. Even I die to mobs sometimes. With almost 2k life you stand no chance unless you erase everything that dares to show up on your presence.
I play on hardcore so whenever people complain about losing time its so silly sounding. If my character dies right now ill lose 9 days of game time. You can handle the little bit of exp
Exp penalty is a bare minimum especially with cheap omens is amelioration
lol
Another press X build 😆
Are you kidding? These are some of the most tense and fun moments in the game.
If I were you and this was consistent, I’d either see if the problem was myself (getting too excited to level and not concentrating) or make it easier by picking easier maps when you’re that close.
Edit: Holy crap dude. D up. 3+k minimum hp, at least capped elemental resists and some defensive mechanism unless you have a built that can pot shot easily.
Yup, I gave up on leveling. I farm maps to do more citadels, but you always keep getting the same drops. That attack that hit you looks like blood, I get hit all the time from underground. -Max resist does nothing for that and it instantly shatters my energy shield. The game was fun though. Now I just log on sometimes to carry people in chat through certain bosses and maps. 😐
One dodge roll would save you from those porcupine needles but I guess it is better to complain than to learn how to play
Besides having no other forms of defenses besides armor, what’s ur res at?
U actually died to the arrows or whatever that projectiles were.. maybe more health or ES… ? Or more ER?
He got hit with the enemies projectiles. He didn’t even get hit with all of them. They threw them before he died.
You can watch it wide screen you’ll see. There’s no BS here just you face tanking projectiles with no defense
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You have 2k health and no es………
Hail cheap deaths to LS users
Aren’t all games a waste of time by definition? And don’t we do hardcore, because the danger of dying is thrilling? But I agree that deaths that have nothing to do with skill, but seem like they happen because of game engine problems are annoying. It’s still a beta though.
What did you die to? Genuinely can’t tell
looked like he was hit by some ranged attacks
The spider thing was shooting spikes at him non stop. Those are always high damage. You can see it was shooting before and after the death.
I go through the save exp on death omens like crazy. Because I am bad at this game.
Gonna have to chime in, while it is clear your defensive setup is lacking, I am rocking 3.5k ES, 1.5k health, playing with a selfmade build that is not zoom-zoom clearing screens but handling t16 fine and been doing Pinnacles now as well.
I die similar to this every now and then and majority of the time I have close to zero idea what actually killed me.
It really is almost comical how spiky the endgame damage is/can be - can tank a lot of things, damage intake is really smooth and suddenly dead.
It’s lovely with new people who never played poe1 and has no clue how game works blaming the game. You want a walkover.
I have 90 evasion , max res , hyrri’s ire and still die . 🤷♂️
Regardless of OP defences/build, it still feels really bad to die from some barely visible attack from almost off screen, lots of enemies and attacks get “camouflaged in” with the environment.
I’ve made it to level 84 with this build lol
So one good day of gaming? Lmao
God did they still not get this random deaths fixed? What are they doing at GGG?
This is not a random death, this is a build check. This is an ARPG, you’re not meant to dodge everything with skill, you’re meant to have a build that can take some hits without instantly blowing up
Why do I see people with way more health and ES getting one shotted then?
I hate this game lol
As a long time Diablo fan I am loving it honestly. It’s so close to being flawless as an ARPG and I want to see it happen, but the community hates hearing about potential flaws
For me it’s all the stealth nerfs and dishonesty from the devs. It pisses me off. It will take a lot to earn back my trust at this point.
Example of dishonesty: buffing chests then stealth nerfing them hard without saying anything. It’s sleazy and bad form.
Have they added anything to the game thatd be worth playing again i havent played since the putting like 300 hours in after launch lol
Regardless of defences, the real problem here is that there are spam ranged attacks that, due to the dark environment and the colouring on the projectiles themselves, they are damn near invisible. Don’t get me wrong, you just aren’t building correctly for the endgame, but the real “Cheapness” of this death feels to me comes from just the inability to see the death projectiles flying towards you. This game has many such cases unfortunately.
Those attacks are really weak, yes they could be a bit easier to see but they’re also projectiles that any actual build just walks forward and ignore
No doubt there, it just feels like on certain maps, projectiles are very hard to see. I know they (GGG) wanted POE2 to be more “Deliberate” and slow but if they want that, having projectiles that are not easy to see / dodge aint it
here comes the defense comments
I always love the “get more defense” crowd. My Smith has 21k EHP and this happens randomly to me at times. I carefully choose my map/tower combos so I dont gimp myself too much. 99% of the time, he’s invincible. It’s almost like a timer or the RNG cummulates to an inevitable death.
Here’s some advice. Use PoE Ninja. Look at your Effective Health and then ask yourself what you can do about it. How can you add health, ES or evasion without wrecking your stats and resists? Can you get regen high enough to mitigate bleed or poison? It’s a puzzle for you to work on and the pieces are likely on the trade site.
Armor isn’t as bad as people say, but it’s the worst layer of defense. You need a ridiculous amount to get a lesser benefit from it. It’s silly because GGG seems to think everything is fine.
Yes, it’s a shit system. But if he doesn’t invest in any defense, he’ll never get to that level. There’s a huge difference in complaining in top tier endgame content and 2k life, torn to piece by random mob sneezing. Game is a slot machine, the more efficient you play, the more chance you pull the lever. Will 21k EHP makes you immortal? No, but it would save you here.
Post your pob I’m curious how you have 21k EHP on a smith.
https://poe2.ninja/profile/PapiGuuber-4856/character/Guuber_Smash
Hell yeah man that’s a nice build
I haven’t looked at that in a while. I think i can tweak my tree a little bit to boost my MF like 25%. Thanks for asking lol.