As GGG intended lightning is better than fire whirlwinds lmao
Lol? I’m new to the game and that looks insane and ridiculous
I’m not new to the game and this still looks ridiculous. I don’t understand how he is doing it.
How IS he doing that!?
You use 2 whirlwinds because it snap shots, one is the massive aoe the other is the dmg cast it on shocked ground and get to spamming
Oh I see. Can you use two whirlwind gems at once or is that the one gem keyed twice?
You can socket two different Whirlwinds, each with their own support gems, and bind them to different keys
sounds buggy as fuck. Something like this was going on in PoE1 and they fixed it. So enjoy it while it exists
I checked the link he posted and it’s just accuracy stacking and lowlife helm. Makes sense i guess. Both of those are absurdly op and will get nerfed next patch.
Deepest tower is probably just for boss damage. 0% of the kills are inside the character’s presence in this clip
Yep, I tested removing the Helmet and stuff still died instantly
Acc stacking is core and difficult to replace (but possible)
Admin, he’s doing it sideways
If you want to play it hop on quick it’s an unintended bug that will get squashed at the whim of GGG
I mean Shock is just a better aliment to have for a rapid firing damage, ignite is better with ‘BOOMS’ too bad most of their best BOOMS are not naturally fire
Also most BOOMS are better with bleed lmao
They need to rework ignite, bleed is the big hit aggravate ailment, poison is the multi hit stacking ailment and ignite is just there, it’s just a shitty version of bleed bcs chance to ignite is harder to cap than bleed and the potential damage is lower. Fire spells are also bad and herald of fire is also mid
Make poison okay again š
Poison is good for clear but for bosses it’s a bit meh, try the spiral volley poison deadeye, it’s one of the most fun builds I’ve ever played (single target is trash tho)
Poison Spiral Volley is pretty sick, but frozen spiral volley with Freezing Salvo and Herald of iceā¦ ššš»
Comsistent screen clearing, frame rate dropping Herald of Ice explosions
How do you maintain frenzy charges? Crit?
My guess is using that frenzy generation aura whenever you freeze pin or eletrocute something
That would be Combat Frenzy.
that’s the one thx
Anytime, I use it a good bit. I’m trying to figure out a lightning arrow, and poisonburst arrow build that works great together. Sad to say it’s a slow process at the moment.
But it has a 5s cd, it’s not enough
Combat Frenzy & Sniperās Mark with Cast on Crit. I also run Snipe for bosses
I would guess CoF or CoC snipers mark
Exactly
Splinter of Loratta would like a word with you.
It’s not really that amazing and it only works because of some jank interactions with Plaguefingers so I don’t think poison is in a really good spot at the moment.
Iām doing over 100k dps with the spear (calculating my base 3400 - 3900 poison dps x 50+ stacks). I donāt use plague fingers.
Build ?
Using multiple caltrops and plague bearer spirit gems on pathfinder. Get all poison, damaging ailments, and hazard nodes. Rest of points go into any physical damage, evasion, and energy shield nodes. Get jewels that buff hazard damage, and poison magnitude, poison duration. I have 2100hp and 1200es, 91% evasion and 75% all res. I just roll around and everything blows up. Plague bearer fills instantly so you can keep spamming it, bosses die in seconds.
Why pathfinder? You already have infinite poisons.
It works but sadly you need giga atk speed and acc on spear to walk faster :(
I followed a crit variant that run’s snipe as single target and it does really good boss damage. Stack crit dmg. since snipe auto crits if timed right and its great.
I feel like weapon swaps really work well to solve this, but they absolutely need to get in the weapon lock QOL, because currently even if it makes your build on swap able to boss and clear very well, you’re either in need of 2 weapons, or manual swap your weapon, or different weapons is possible but usually not viable as you in need of even more skill gems and may be short slots to make it work well.
Iāll never forgive them for changing poison so much and adding a stack cap. Iām not one of the āmake PoE2 PoE1ā dudes but poison was perfect and had an awesome identity in PoE1.
I made a pretty bangin poison flameblast titan at launch, but they nerfed the crap out of it :(
Yes Poison/Bleed/Ignite are all effects that benefit from Single burst, but out of the three Ignite has it the worst, because Herald of Ash and it’s OVERKILL gimmick doubles down on the problem
Poison probably has it the easiest, or DID… hard to say if Bleed or Poison is in a better place right now
Ignite should focus on spreading or stacking DMG..something like real fire
I believe they should have more ‘Stack to burst’ options, like a DPS to Burst… so even if they have low attack speed, but high damage it would will produce an explosion that causes the actual damage
Maybe it could ramp damage based on duration? The longer they’re on fire, the more ignite does.
The wildfire support gem or cracklecreep ring spread ignite.
Yeah I thematically love ignite and played it every league in PoE1.
The way ignite works in PoE2 just feels so bad. Itās almost like itās not intended to be a primary damage source but instead just supplementary damage for all fire builds.
Flameblast got nerfed and then Bereiaās only felt good because of a bug.
Ignite needs some love but I think they are hesitant to make it too strong since it just becomes the default if itās powerful. Burning Arrow ignite or EK ignite as examples
I like how MTG treat burning effect disabling equipment, making a armor-piercing damage type.
“Ignite = dot and reduce global defences”, maybe a good change in poe2?
Would love the Elden Ring bleed effect in PoE
“multi” hits *cough *cough
Ignite is meant to be design around reducing it’s duration. The less durstion the faster it’ll do damage before you can apply another ignite.
Ignite is the boom ailment with higher potential damage. Armour can be reduced to 0 at most, while fire res can get to negative.
And the one boom got nerfed.
Prefect Strike? Hammer of Gods? Super-charged slam?
or are we talking spells
Fireball? Flameblast?
Spear… it’s probably Spear of Solaris, but I wouldn’t really say ‘Fire Spear’ actually exists, as the only other move Explosive Spear, only exists to help prime Elemental Sundering… like Fangs of Frost/Storm Lance… where the whole point is to cause a bunch of elemental ground effects that stacks ignite/shock/chill on enemies so you can blow them all up… aka Trinity Spear… and the potential for triple Herald
Flame blast is technically the best ignite spell but the cool down makes it feel meh was what I was going for
Shock is just Vulnerable damage, change my mind.
Shock is a debuff that provides bonus damage up to a %, effectively making it the best ailment in the game besides maybe chill for groups
personally I avoid it given it’s ease of use, BUT I do like abusing it with a Storm Sorc who can ‘double shock’
FUN DETECTED
PATCH INCOMING š
STEALTH PERFECTED
Devs doing overtime this weekend
path of lightning strikes again
Righteous fire with lightning mtxĀ
Bro, everyone ever said you ARE the storm?
That is approaching?
Provoking?
Black clouds in isolation?
Maybe also reclaimer of your name?
Were you also borned in flames?
Goddamn, can you link your build?
https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/q37s60jm
It’s not even that expensive to get it to this state, if you have like 3 div you can get it to this state
EDIT: Also this is a bit of a clickbait lmao, I have the monster modifier for more AoE, the AoE is still huge but not THIS huge
How are you gaining combo for culmination?
You just hit with the skill and it gains combo, use practiced combo for even more combo. I have like 5 attack speed so it stacks insanely fast, I’ve got to 500 combo and I think my crit one tapped a delirium boss lmao
But culmination support says lose all combo on use, how come you don’t just instantly lose combo
Now that you said it I think it’s bugged lmao
yeah that’s def not supposed to work. I was looking at the build link and seeing your gem setup and was already getting angry that here is yet another support gem that works in a way that is clearly not stated on the gem, but no, I’m fairly sure this is just straight up bugged.
maybe it has something to do with snapshotting the whirlwind, have you tried just using your “main” whirlwind and test if you then lose combo
cause otherwise you’re basically doing anywhere from 3-1500 times the damage you should be doing by keeping the combo stacks and it’s essentially what’s allowing you to kill the mobs
3-1500 percent, not times
The thing is, I have 2 “wasted” gem slots, if you swap those for damage mods you can still kill stuff, I just tested
Problem is you become extra dependant on herald and your bossing suffers a lot
Yeah RIP your fun since you posted this. Abuse while you can.
Do you have your passive tree? Doesn’t look present in your link.
There’s a POB link on the site, just open it on POB
It’s not loading for some reason
arent headhunters like 20+ div
There’s a gem that gives a scuffed HH, I’ll buy one eventually tho
Sorry i canāt find the pob link on the site
ctrl-f POB
This is as close to a lightning storm as you can get
Also works with fire if you use CoI fire storm + incinerate swap with spell damage and spear swap with attack damage
This lightning looks way better, I did fire and having it drop every so often was annoying af having to light it up again with uhhh what is it, ignition or something?
jfc i wonder build interactions like this will get nerfed to the ground next season.
Until tedious builds are all we have left come launch and mobs still zip around the map.
Acc stacking and the low life interaction is 100% getting nerfed, I just hope they don’t completely gut it like they did with mana stacking
Other than the acc stacking this build uses 0 broken or unfair interactions, if they nerf falcon dive from 1% for every 250 acc to 350 or smth the build still works, if they nerf the shield to only give 50% more acc then we can take the 25% more action speed node and remove the shield so it also works
I bet this build is not getting completely gutted even if they try it, it will maybe require more investment to reach this state but unless they completely remove falcon dive it will still be there
EDIT: I just tested the build without the helmet, I still one shot everything even with a bunch of wasted nodes on the tree. Apparently I only need the damage for bosses really
Everything they nerf, they always gut. They can never sensibly nerf anything. Last patch they nerfed Spark, Archmage, mana stacking and ontop of that they also literally destroyed fire wall even though that was 100% unwarranted. It would have been enough just to nerf archmage and mana stacking and leave Spark and Wall alone, but no. Absolutely destroyed.
These people genuinely can never nerf anything in a normal manner. Always overkill.
Flame wall nerf is 100% warranted. If you actually see the numbers and do the spreadsheet it was insane. The only reason it wasn’t more popular was the existence of even more insane stuffs in 0.1.
No it was not. I completely disagree. It’s borderline useless now, not worth casting. Before it was actually good. They nerfed it by 100%50% which is an absurd joke. Meaning: the old version did 100% more added damage than the current one.
This is typical GGG. Literally ~5 years from now there will be a patch that buffs it again by 80% when they finally realize they completely unnecessarily obliterated it, and it was useless as shit for 5 years straight due that, and then they go woops that’s our bad. I’ve seen this exact scenario like ~15 times in Poe 1.
A small nerf if it was that ridiculous? sure. 20% maybe. Not this bullshit ‘take it out the back and kill it’ garbage.
The helmet has very little range by default (and wonāt scale with generic AoE), so no surprise there lol. Your attack covers the screen.
It’s still super helpful for one shotting random unique bosses that spawn and for map bosses
Well considering they nerfed a bunch of random stuff that weren’t even meta last season, I’d say anything that sees more than a 2% play rate is probably going to get taken to the back of the barn.
They will but there’s always some new thing to discover too.
Is this supposed to be “meaningful combat” we are talking about ?
Ngl im tired of seeing lightning effects in every build. I miss PoE 1 diversity but cant play it anymore.
So u miss the game where the actual predominant skill is literaly lightning strike
Yea but i dont remember every clip from poe 1 being a screen of lightning effects like in poe 2.
Fair enough but PoE1 is lacking VISION so what do we know right? ^^
Meta changes, lightning strike have seen buffs and nerfs.
Yes and before that we had lightning arrow, penance brand of dissipation… Shock has always been the top ailment and shock skills always dominate. Nothing new about it
We have also had ice spear coc meta, freezing pulse totem meta, ice nova meta as well.
I love lightning
I really hope they donāt touch LS I feel like itās perfect lol
Volt needs a nerf, nerf it and LS is not as OP
Also tangletongue needs a nerf
Do you have the boots? I donāt remember what theyāre called, but youāll know if you do lol
I was going to give up on the whole class until those dropped and I was like āunlimited powerā
The lightning ones? Yeah I do, you don’t need them tho, you can create shocked ground with lightning warp or the monk skill
Now this is some top-tier meaningful combat!
Looking at this gameplay you can’t convince me it’s better than what Miso’s playing, even the budget version is 3 times faster than this.
Only downside of fire version is the setup, not the speed.
Fire version is less atk speed (so less ms) and has the setup, other than that it’s higher damage yeah
This one can’t ever kill pinnacle bosses without using some other skill while the fire version melts even T4s
Also this one has better instant damage to explode monsters out of existence
Overall it’s a choice between a more well rounded build with fire or maximum speed and clear with this one
https://youtube.com/shorts/y4gTEhI80fU?si=PwTd6I6ne8EFJB7D
This clip (which is not even his last setup before he started a new character) is way faster than other variants, and arguably he can get more speed but he doesn’t want to invest more so people can follow his build.
Lightning damage variant can get more speed after investment, but you’re jailed by weapon DPS in order to kill monsters, fire variant can ignore weapon dps for aspd, accuracy and dex for gemling.
Have you tried this for Simulacrums? Looks great for it, assuming damage can be scaled without breaking the bank.
WTF ! I I want this build
Fire bad, lightning good. Thatās a POE2 rule now. Will ggg be able to change it.
Add range good, melee bad to the philosophy as well.
this more storm than stormweaver!
shock is just the better ailment and lightning is better supported by the dex area
imo this is how the game is meant to be played
if i was a new player and saw this i would think that this game looks ugly and clunky as hell
i thought i was in the wrong subreddit for a moment lol
pls share your passive tree would be nice.
Wished it could pick up poison/gas clouds on the floor or those blood pools in the manor act 1. That would be fun š
Fart tornado
can this manage t4 sim?
Kinda? It’s too squishy rn, I have tons of leech but only 2k hp with 78% half block (it only blocks half the damage)
No EV, no ES nothing. It relies on not letting the enemies reach you and being too fast for them to hit
I’m sure that if you adjust the build to be a bit tankier it could do it just fine
It relies on not letting the enemies reach you and being too fast for them to hit
Immediately thought of hurricane druid from D2, hits me in the nostalgia a bit.
Eye of the storm build
Holy
Well god damnā¦ full build guide? I clicked others but no skill tree
how does it get so big? im really confused
3 aoe gems, aoe on tree and for clickbait you get the monster modifier for more aoe lol
It’s still pretty big without it but instead of it hitting the sides of the screen it hits the top of the screen
what skill are you using whirlwind slash or?
3 AoE on whirlwind lance for extra stage, atk speed and damage on whirling slash
That is fiiiilthy. Well done. <3
This game is such a jokeĀ
truly visionary
This looks dumb
i didnt play for a month or 2, wtf did i miss bruh
The new furry tempest build 1 button
I want to play this ššš
Brings back poe 1 nostalgia
Can you use that one helm to gain elemental damage to attacks and use Chior of the storm for more zaps?
Probably yeah, but at that point just ditch the attack damage
I was thinking double zap, with chior and herald.. just a theory but can maybe solve single target dps with chior maybe? Or am I dreaming
Maybe, try stacking increased elemental damage instead of attack or spell damage and go full herald + choir, make the whirlwind itself deal almost no damage and focus on boosting those 2, idk how choir internal CD works but if it’s low enough you could blast through maps just like this
What on earth am I looking at here?
I haven’t played in about 2 weeks, so I have no idea what people figured out what to break to do this, but I like the craziness of it.
Whirling slash with really big AoE gems + AoE on tree with tons of atk speed, that’s it really
So meaningful! So methodical!
Any reason why you took “Dance with Death” node?
I forgot to remove, I’m not using it in-game. I was just testing how it compared to using the shield
This looks way to fun not to try
What the hell is this?! How is it so big??? Hahaha.
Can one do that with Monk ?
Kinda? You need acc stacking for atk speed, Amazon has a synergy bcs you stack atk speed and damage at the same time but it works on any class
I assume this doesn’t have issues with elevation, unlike the fire version? Also looks like you’re doing 6x damage due to a bug with Culmination not resetting on use?
Also do you die very often since it looks a lot squishier than the fire version? Or are you always able to kill everything before it can dmg you
Yes, elevation means nothing
Culmination is bugged yes, it still deals a shitton of damage without it due to proccing herald of thunder rlly fast, if they nerf it I’ll try a call of the brotherhood and remove 2 electrocute gems from herald to buff the damage even more. It’ll still clear but it won’t instantly delete random delirium bosses like this one
Also keep in mind I have deepest tower that I’m not using 99% of the time, if I get some more presence aoe my damage would literally be tripled
It is squishy but I don’t die in maps due to exploding everything and having 78% block (only blocks half damage) with giga life steal
Looks dumb
This looks funā¦
What ascendancy and passive tree?
Mm, now I see what “vision” means
Raiden on a mad one!Ā
PoE2 players: “We want more skilled and involved gameplay”
PoE2 players: Play the aoe afk donut of doom build.
I see Iāve been playing wrong using ice
PoB ?
Please
Is this even gameplay at all?
You enjoy playing like that?
This looks fun. Better drop a nerf.
3.7 legion we are so back (gonna be nerfed to the ground dont worry)
I want this
The skills balancing in this game is atrocious. I see this and wonder why I’m even wasting my time with warrior melee skills.
Warrior can do similar stuff, there’s a mjornir build that vaporizes 5 screens
Enjoy your migraines
That looks fun ngl
Do you have the planner, passive / atlas tree by chance? Very impressive
so this is the poe2 equivalent to cyclone pre nerf?
Lightning always better
I feel fine not playing anymore this season. I stopped and got back to work just before this sort of nonsense came back and I feel genuinely content to have missed it. Shame demonform got nerfed to death though, would have enjoyed it a bit before taking a break
can you explain your weapon set skill tree? is it whirlwind lance for weapon set 2 for more aoe, weapon set 1 for whirling slash for attack speed?
but i dont see another weapon in set 2
Yes, the other weapon is just any random spear, I’m using a lvl 1 spear with 7-14 phys lmao
This an awesome build. I want to copy it but I also want to figure out something on my own thatās super OP. I have a bunch of uniques that Iāve collected and Iām trying to get creative. I havenāt managed to create anything thatās worth shouting ālook at this!ā
oh my fuking god the damage lol Palpatine
I already have carpal tunnel and struggle just to hold left click sometimes. This feels like a quick way to wear out your wrist. ;<
0 good drops, also as intended insane build tho
I have a super strict filter too, it hides most rares unless it’s giga tiered and currency below alchemy doesn’t show
This is the type of thing it draws me to ARPGs, not meaningful dodge roll tedious ZDPS combat.
Well done OP.
Why aren’t the whirlwind exploding when you leave them?
I think hes continuously attacking as he moves, dragging it with him
when i do that the old ones stay behind and explode when I leave them
try to not walk at all and just keep using that skill to move to where you want to be
wait so does that mean if you blink out they won’t blow up either?